The FSA Draft -Chat and Banter.

Swiper the fox · 02-09-2014 4:11pm

I seem to be third. Is it just a goalkeeper I need to pick first time round?

the whole year inn · 02-09-2014 4:12pm

pm sent to Swiper

Menas · 02-09-2014 4:13pm

Swiper the fox wrote: »

I seem to be third. Is it just a goalkeeper I need to pick first time round?

Yes

dahat · 02-09-2014 4:14pm

Interesting idea and new to most of us, looking forward to seeing how it goes.

Menas · 02-09-2014 4:16pm

Ok, 6 it is. OP updated.

The picking order will be....

Goalkeeper, Defender 1, defender 2, randomise list, midfielder 1 midfielder 2, forward.

Mr.Prodston · 02-09-2014 4:22pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Ok, 6 it is. OP updated.

The picking order will be....

Goalkeeper, Defender 1, defender 2, randomise list, midfielder 1 midfielder 2, forward.

Whoever picks a midfielder first shouldn't get to pick a forward first right?

It'd go Mid 1, Forward, Mid 2?

Menas · 02-09-2014 4:27pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Whoever picks a midfielder first shouldn't get to pick a forward first right?

It'd go Mid 1, Forward, Mid 2?

You and your clever ideas.
But yes, good point.

Goal keeper, Defender 1, Defender 2, Randomise, Midfielder 1, Forward, Midfielder 2.

The committee approves this change. OP updated.

Swiper the fox · 02-09-2014 4:30pm

If I picked a goalie third does that mean I get 18th and 23rd pick for the defenders? I'm not quite sure what is going on:o

Menas · 02-09-2014 4:32pm

Swiper the fox wrote: »

If I picked a goalie third does that mean I get 18th and 23rd pick for the defenders? I'm not quite sure what is going on:o

Yes, you have it right.

PARlance · 02-09-2014 4:34pm

Swiper the fox wrote: »

If I picked a goalie third does that mean I get 18th and 23rd pick for the defenders? I'm not quite sure what is going on:o

Yip that's it.
Should've / should of / shoulda been explained better

Mr.Prodston · 02-09-2014 4:40pm

It'll be interesting to see who the 40th defender will end up being :pac: Trying to figure out who might be left in 16th scares me a little too for the matter

SpaceCowb0y · 02-09-2014 4:48pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see who the 40th defender will end up being :pac: Trying to figure out who might be left in 16th scares me a little too for the matter

16th choice keeper is never going to end well either is it :rolleyes::pac:

My keeper is going to be that fat kid who never got picked in P.E. isn't he! ha

Backstreet Moyes · 02-09-2014 4:52pm

Lads internet keeps going on and off head done in am i right 5th choice for goalkeeper so 16th and 25th for defenders?

bezuaua · 02-09-2014 4:52pm

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

16th choice keeper is never going to end well either is it :rolleyes::pac:

My keeper is going to be that fat kid who never got picked in P.E. isn't he! ha

What about 20th choice keeper

PARlance · 02-09-2014 5:02pm

bezuaua wrote: »

What about 20th choice keeper

At least he'll have Ivanovich (:)) ahead of him to help him out

OneColdHand · 02-09-2014 5:08pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

You and your clever ideas.
But yes, good point.

Goal keeper, Defender 1, Defender 2, Randomise, Midfielder 1, Forward, Midfielder 2.

The committee approves this change. OP updated.

Im still not sure this is great though. If you are top of the list you get 2 1st choice picks right? If your bottom of the list you only get 1?

Essentially if you're top you 1st choice GK, 20th best defender, and 21st best defender.

If you're bottom you get 20th choice GK, 1st choice defender, and 40th choice defender.

Would 2 randomisations be possible?

So: Goalkeeper, Defender 1, randomise, Defender 2, Midfielder 1, randomise, Midfielder 2, Forward.

Edit: I'm pretty much in the middle, so doesn't really affect me either way, but I think whoever is at the top had the advantage with that system.

bezuaua · 02-09-2014 5:10pm

I was thinking about Mariappa... but perhaps ivan is a good shout

02-09-2014 5:11pm

I agree. Randomise after every 2 picks would be fairer.

Mr.Prodston · 02-09-2014 5:12pm

OneColdHand wrote: »

Im still not sure this is great though. If you are top of the list you get 2 1st choice picks right? If your bottom of the list you only get 1?

Essentially if you're top you 1st choice GK, 20th best defender, and 21st best defender.

If you're bottom you get 20th choice GK, 1st choice defender, and 40th choice defender.

Would 2 randomisations be possible?

So: Goalkeeper, Defender 1, randomise, Defender 2, Midfielder 1, randomise, Midfielder 2, Forward.

Edit: I'm pretty much in the middle, so doesn't really affect me either way, but I think whoever is at the top had the advantage with that system.

Whatever about anything else Midfielder 1 and Forward surely have to be the 2 sides of one coin.

Otherwise you *could* end up with a situation where say somebody has Both Costa and Sanchez or Falcao and Hazard etc

Maybe defender 2 and midfielder 2 could be the 3rd randomised part if you split things into 3

manual_man · 02-09-2014 5:32pm

Honestly i think the original idea of 1 GK 1 DEF 1 MID 1 FWD is best, keep it simple, with 20 people in it it's a logistical challenge as is...

randomize for GK(already done), reverse list for DEF, new randomize for MID, reverse list for FWD

Simples

SpaceCowb0y · 02-09-2014 5:51pm

OneColdHand wrote: »

Im still not sure this is great though. If you are top of the list you get 2 1st choice picks right? If your bottom of the list you only get 1?

Essentially if you're top you 1st choice GK, 20th best defender, and 21st best defender.

If you're bottom you get 20th choice GK, 1st choice defender, and 40th choice defender.

Would 2 randomisations be possible?

So: Goalkeeper, Defender 1, randomise, Defender 2, Midfielder 1, randomise, Midfielder 2, Forward.

Edit: I'm pretty much in the middle, so doesn't really affect me either way, but I think whoever is at the top had the advantage with that system.

I'd have to agree. Based on the game still going ahead with 6 player each a randomization after every two picks would be best with mid1 and Forward being a pair so it would go:

GK + Def1, Mid1 + FW, Def2 + Mid2 (unless its going to cause confusion, but it's simple really)

Playing with four this obviously isn't an issue however. I still think the extra players will make it more interesting personally though.

Menas · 02-09-2014 6:12pm

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

GK + Def1, Mid1 + FW, Def2 + Mid2 (unless its going to cause confusion, but it's simple really)
.

This does make sense.

Going with 6 players is much better in my opinion and not to much of an admin overhead as I will be automating the scoring based on a feed from FPl (look at me all clever and that).

Any strong objections to changing the order and doing it this way?
GK + Def1, Randomise, Mid1 + FW, Randomise, Def2 + Mid2

Menas · 02-09-2014 7:46pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

This does make sense.

Going with 6 players is much better in my opinion and not to much of an admin overhead as I will be automating the scoring based on a feed from FPl (look at me all clever and that).

Any strong objections to changing the order and doing it this way?
GK + Def1, Randomise, Mid1 + FW, Randomise, Def2 + Mid2

No objections, lets go with it!

SpaceCowb0y · 02-09-2014 7:58pm

This draught could take a while! A few hours in now and not even half way through the GK selection

I'm heading out for the evening but will check in periodically to see if i'm up but apologies in advance for any delay folks!

OneColdHand · 02-09-2014 8:39pm

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

This draught could take a while! A few hours in now and not even half way through the GK selection I'm heading out for the evening but will check in periodically to see if i'm up but apologies in advance for any delay folks!

In theory its possible to do 2 positions at once. Might make it quicker, but will also probably make it more confusing.

CSF · 02-09-2014 8:57pm

This isn't gonna work if we're taking hours to go for our turn.

PARlance · 02-09-2014 9:51pm

roryc wrote: »

No sign of Slingerz... does show a bit of a flaw! I'm intrigued as to what rubbish keeper I'll be left with haha

His last post on FSA was 2 weeks ago (before signing up to this today)... You might get lucky and a first teamer keeper or two might get injured on Int Duty....

Edit: Moved to chat thread

CSF · 02-09-2014 10:16pm

PARlance wrote: »

His last post on FSA was 2 weeks ago (before signing up to this today)... You might get lucky and a first teamer keeper or two might get injured on Int Duty....

Edit: Moved to chat thread

Replace replace replace!!! We need FPL losers that will be lurking in the doldrums waiting for their chance to pick

Menas · 02-09-2014 10:19pm

I have dropped him a pm. If no post by the morning we will need to move on without him. We have 10 days to complete the draft so no panic yet.

CSF · 02-09-2014 11:40pm

RORY!!!

PARlance · 02-09-2014 11:41pm

CSF wrote: »

RORY!!!

He's too busy trying to arrange his team into 5-4-1

roryc · 03-09-2014 6:50am

Apologies I'm an hour ahead of you guys...

I'm at a conference all day today so for my defender of choice would be Terry. If he's gone Baines, then Zabaleta... I'm 5th to choose so hopefully I get one of them! I think everyone should have an hour to act then it skips by them. Otherwise we'll be held up for too long making the picks.

CSF · 03-09-2014 8:39am

Spacecowb0y you're up

SpaceCowb0y · 03-09-2014 9:11am

CSF wrote: »

Spacecowb0y you're up

Done! Pm sent to Manual Man

CSF · 03-09-2014 9:26am

Perfect, once he has done it I can finally have a go!!!

SpaceCowb0y · 03-09-2014 9:29am

CSF wrote: »

Perfect, once he has done it I can finally have a go!!!

Haha it's slim pickings for keepers! It was a coin toss between Adrián and Green for me :rolleyes:

Menas · 03-09-2014 9:37am

SpaceCowb0y wrote: »

Haha it's slim pickings for keepers! It was a coin toss between Adrián and Green for me :rolleyes:

Think of all those save points!

SpaceCowb0y · 03-09-2014 9:46am

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Think of all those save points!

That's about all I can hope for :pac:

Swiper the fox · 03-09-2014 10:25am

C'mon lads. Lets make an effort to get through this as quickly as possible today. We all know the order, some people may be in bed or have more pressing concerns but we can't be carrying this on for three or four days.:)

OneColdHand · 03-09-2014 10:27am

Swiper the fox wrote: »

C'mon lads. Lets make an effort to get through this as quickly as possible today. We all know the order, some people may be in bed or have more pressing concerns but we can't be carrying this on for three or four days.:)

Yeah I'm slightly worried as I'm away for the weekend for Fri, Sat, and Sun. Will have access to internet, but might be a bit limited. I don't want to hold the show up!

Mr.Prodston · 03-09-2014 10:34am

Swiper the fox wrote: »

C'mon lads. Lets make an effort to get through this as quickly as possible today. We all know the order, some people may be in bed or have more pressing concerns but we can't be carrying this on for three or four days.:)

Well I think that's why 4 players was the initial option. Trying to organise 20 people to make 6 decisions in a certain order is going to take time and there's nothing we can do about it really, just have patience. The keepers certainly look like they'll be done within 24 hours and that leaves 5 more to go and a deadline of next Friday.

Will be grand

CSF · 03-09-2014 11:37am

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Well I think that's why 4 players was the initial option. Trying to organise 20 people to make 6 decisions in a certain order is going to take time and there's nothing we can do about it really, just have patience. The keepers certainly look like they'll be done within 24 hours and that leaves 5 more to go and a deadline of next Friday.

Will be grand

Not buying the patience thing, when people enter something like this, they should keep tabs on it. Know when they're likely to be required etc.

Mr.Prodston · 03-09-2014 11:53am

CSF wrote: »

Not buying the patience thing, when people enter something like this, they should keep tabs on it. Know when they're likely to be required etc.

Ah yeah I know, jeez don't I know too well with the amount of time I'm in here :pac:

But shenanigans happen, internet crashes, unexpected events, work etc. All I'm saying is that we seem to actually be regulars of the forum and can be cut some slack. This didn't even exist 24 hours ago so we're doing quite well I think

CSF · 03-09-2014 12:08pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Ah yeah I know, jeez don't I know too well with the amount of time I'm in here :pac: But shenanigans happen, internet crashes, unexpected events, work etc. All I'm saying is that we seem to actually be regulars of the forum and can be cut some slack. This didn't even exist 24 hours ago so we're doing quite well I think

Maybe I'm just a moany ****e, still finding the speed incredibly frustrating though.

OneColdHand · 03-09-2014 12:15pm

CSF wrote: »

Maybe I'm just a moany ****e, still finding the speed incredibly frustrating though.

You're just jumpy cos you can't wait for your turn!

OneColdHand · 03-09-2014 12:27pm

CSF wrote: »

Maybe I'm just a moany ****e, still finding the speed incredibly frustrating though.

Yeah, assuming we get the GKs done today, that means we have 9 days, or 216 hours to make 100 selections (20 players x 5 picks). That's an average 2.16 hours per picks. So it really does need to pick up a little pick up a little bit from it's current pace.

I'm sure things will be quicker over the weekend with people not working and so on, but there won't be many picks overnight so that alone will drag the average right down.

CSF · 03-09-2014 12:29pm

OneColdHand wrote: »

You're just jumpy cos you can't wait for your turn!

Exactly!!

Swiper the fox · 03-09-2014 12:30pm

CSF wrote: »

Maybe I'm just a moany ****e, still finding the speed incredibly frustrating though.

You're up after MM as well, pressure will be on to respond in finnharpsboy time.
Considering the old "when is FPL open for business?" posts usually start before May is out each year I think we've shown remarkable restraint so far;)

CSF · 03-09-2014 12:30pm

OneColdHand wrote: »

Yeah, assuming we get the GKs done today, that means we have 9 days, or 216 hours to make 100 selections (20 players x 5 picks). That's an average 2.16 hours per picks. So it really does need to pick up a little pick up a little bit from it's current pace.

I'm sure things will be quicker over the weekend with people not working and so on, but there won't be many picks overnight so that alone will drag the average right down.

And that's such a long time to have to concentrate on this. I mean if people really got going the way you'd expect from a draft it'd be done in a day!!!

PARlance · 03-09-2014 12:31pm

It could speed things up (but also make things a little less exciting and a little more work) if we were to send someone (thanks for offering Mr. P

) a list of our potential picks as our turn is approaching.

So CSF could send his top two GK'er picks, and also his top 4 Def picks in order.
The guy below his 3 keeper choices and 3 defenders in order.
As long as you add an extra pick onto your position there'll be no hold up.
You could do it all the way up to whoever was first to pick GK and get them to list out there 21 top defenders

ok, that's a bit unrealistic but we could be working 4-5 picks ahead to speed things up.

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