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  • #2
    elduggo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭elduggo


    Does anyone know where one can get detailed maps of the routes? Planning on heading over for the first few stages and am trying to plan where best to be, etc.

    Has anyone bought any of the guides that the cycling mags have put out? Any use?

    cheers


  • #3
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    elduggo wrote: »
    Does anyone know where one can get detailed maps of the routes? Planning on heading over for the first few stages and am trying to plan where best to be, etc.

    Has anyone bought any of the guides that the cycling mags have put out? Any use?

    cheers

    See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79200343


  • #4
    elduggo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭elduggo


    buffalo wrote: »
    See http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=79200343

    cheers, thanks for that.


  • #5
    flying11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭flying11


    i have this guide and i find it pretty useful. It previews each stage (giving the route profile for all of the mountain stages) , previews every team, it profiles the main contenders too. for €10 it is handy to have.

    you can view detailed maps of stages here (scroll down to whatever stage you want and click the arrow under details on the right hand side)

    :)


  • #6
    elduggo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭elduggo


    flying11 wrote: »
    i have this guide and i find it pretty useful. It previews each stage (giving the route profile for all of the mountain stages) , previews every team, it profiles the main contenders too. for €10 it is handy to have.

    you can view detailed maps of stages here (scroll down to whatever stage you want and click the arrow under details on the right hand side)

    :)

    cheers. I have been looking at letour.fr and its been useful. I've printed off the maps for the days I'll be over. Theres a couple of problems with them though. They show the route without telling you precisely the roads they take (from my experience of going to these things, its pretty obvious when you're over there - follow the crowds, etc). I was over at the Vuelta last year and managed (though can't remember for the life of me where) to get very detailed info, such as depart time, the roads they'd be taking, the towns they'd be passing through, along with expected times they'd be at each place if their average speed was X, Y, and Z. I can't imagine there isn't something out there for the Tour, given how huge the race is.

    I got a copy of some of the official Vuelta race handbook last year (from a rubbish pile the Quick-Step team left after them outside their hotel!). The official Giro race manual was made available online as a PDF. I'm sincerely hoping they do the same for the Tour.


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  • #7
    Squidgy Black
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    Is there a list of all the teams competing this year?


  • #8
    buffalo
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    stetyrrell wrote: »
    Is there a list of all the teams competing this year?

    http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/RIDERS/us/engages.html


  • #9
    elduggo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭elduggo


    oh, I'm a dumbass. The time info is there, under a tab I hadn't checked!

    Sorted! Cheers everyone.


  • #10
    buffalo
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    elduggo wrote: »
    cheers. I have been looking at letour.fr and its been useful. I've printed off the maps for the days I'll be over. Theres a couple of problems with them though. They show the route without telling you precisely the roads they take (from my experience of going to these things, its pretty obvious when you're over there - follow the crowds, etc). I was over at the Vuelta last year and managed (though can't remember for the life of me where) to get very detailed info, such as depart time, the roads they'd be taking, the towns they'd be passing through, along with expected times they'd be at each place if their average speed was X, Y, and Z. I can't imagine there isn't something out there for the Tour, given how huge the race is.

    I got a copy of some of the official Vuelta race handbook last year (from a rubbish pile the Quick-Step team left after them outside their hotel!). The official Giro race manual was made available online as a PDF. I'm sincerely hoping they do the same for the Tour.

    The official guide (the one in the pic by ednwireland in the other thread) has the expected times in it (I'm almost certain, will double-check when I get home). Also, they're available on letour.fr if you haven't found them there already - under the stage-by-stage bit, select 'time schedule'. edit: see you found it. :)


  • #11
    flying11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭flying11


    this website has a google earth route for each stage and if you click on the "itineraire horaire" it will give you the estimated arrival time at each town/village along the route depending on the average speed.

    e.g if you click "itineraire horaire" for stage 1 it will give the times for the caravane, the peloton at an averege of 44kmph, 42 kmph and 40kmph. handy website :)


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  • #12
    elduggo
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    flying11 wrote: »
    this website has a google earth route for each stage and if you click on the "itineraire horaire" it will give you the estimated arrival time at each town/village along the route depending on the average speed.

    e.g if you click "itineraire horaire" for stage 1 it will give the times for the caravane, the peloton at an averege of 44kmph, 42 kmph and 40kmph. handy website :)

    thats fantastic. More info than anyone could possibly use! Cheers


  • #13
    Inquitus
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    Sky Team

    Bradley Wiggins, Mark Cavendish, Edvald Boasson Hagen, Bernhard Eisel, Chris Froome, Christian Knees, Richie Porte, Michael Rogers and Kanstantsin Siutsou.


  • #14
    happytramp
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    I am seriously anti-Wiggin's this year. Team sky have real potential to make this a bore fest. Hopefully someone will be able to stick it to them in the hills.


  • #15
    Lumen
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    happytramp wrote: »
    Team sky have real potential to make this a bore fest. Hopefully someone will be able to stick it to them in the hills.

    I personally think Wiggos odds are overrated.

    Winning a tour isn't as simple as getting a bunch of fast guys to sit on the front. Are they going to do that every day for three weeks? One bad day and it's anyone's tour. Cadel has proven ability to respond to big attacks and win with relatively little support.

    Media coverage of the TdF is a bit like the Grand National. There's never any focus on the unknown unknowns, because it's a bit difficult to write/talk about unknowable stuff, and you get the impression that the favourites have it sown up. And then they start to fall...

    I also wonder whether Wiggo/Sky are getting as much positive coverage in the non-Anglophone media. Anyone speak foreign?


  • #16
    happytramp
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    Lumen wrote: »
    I personally think Wiggos odds are overrated.

    Winning a tour isn't as simple as getting a bunch of fast guys to sit on the front. Are they going to do that every day for three weeks? One bad day and it's anyone's tour. Cadel has proven ability to respond to big attacks and win with relatively little support.

    I hope you're right, but didn't Lance get away with that trick for years???

    The reason people are really going so Wiggin's mad is because Evans lost over 1.30 to him on the Dauphine TT. That's around 3min over the 100K TT in the tour. I know it's impossible to compare like for like but it's probably why he's become such a favourite.


  • #17
    riparooo
    Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭riparooo


    Lumen wrote: »
    I personally think Wiggos odds are overrated.

    Winning a tour isn't as simple as getting a bunch of fast guys to sit on the front. Are they going to do that every day for three weeks? One bad day and it's anyone's tour. Cadel has proven ability to respond to big attacks and win with relatively little support.

    Media coverage of the TdF is a bit like the Grand National. There's never any focus on the unknown unknowns, because it's a bit difficult to write/talk about unknowable stuff, and you get the impression that the favourites have it sown up. And then they start to fall...

    I also wonder whether Wiggo/Sky are getting as much positive coverage in the non-Anglophone media. Anyone speak foreign?


    Agree that Sky look like they might bore the death out of the TdF this year but this season where they have had Wiggins they have been so dominating its hard to see Wiggins get beaten. Even if he does have a bad day or a injury I think the even more talented Froome will be there to set up.


  • #18
    Crippens1
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    The build up in l'Equipe is pretty good with lots of news each day. They give a fairly straightforward assessment of the Sky team without saying anything too dramatic;
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Sky-mise-d-abord-sur-wiggins/292989

    Since winning the Daupine Wiggins has farly hit the radar screen adn most expect he will make the podium but not win.

    I think the French media in general are expecting Cadel Evans to win again especially since Andy Schleck pulled out. They hope Pierre Rolland makes the podium especially if Christophe Kern & Thomas Voeckler ride well in support on the mountian stages.


  • #19
    Squidgy Black
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    Crippens1 wrote: »
    The build up in l'Equipe is pretty good with lots of news each day. They give a fairly straightforward assessment of the Sky team without saying anything too dramatic;
    http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Sky-mise-d-abord-sur-wiggins/292989

    Since winning the Daupine Wiggins has farly hit the radar screen adn most expect he will make the podium but not win.

    I think the French media in general are expecting Cadel Evans to win again especially since Andy Schleck pulled out. They hope Pierre Rolland makes the podium especially if Christophe Kern & Thomas Voeckler ride well in support on the mountian stages.

    Yeah from what my French could translate for that is that they seem to be almost criticising Cav on the amount of support he needs, and how Sky need every rider to be on form.


  • #20
    mcgratheoin
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    stetyrrell wrote: »
    Yeah from what my French could translate for that is that they seem to be almost criticising Cav on the amount of support he needs, and how Sky need every rider to be on form.

    Meh, not sure that I got that impression. Basically they're saying what everyone is about Cav - he'll only have 2 dedicated lead out riders this year because the team is also going for the GC. They do note that if Sky are controlling a stage for Wiggins it'll help Cav as well and Boassen Hagen could get nominated as sprinter in some of the hillier stages.


  • #21
    Lumen
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    Cav is really downplaying his prospects for the tour.

    http://road.cc/content/news/60154-mark-cavendish-expects-tour-de-france-results-suffer-olympic-preparation

    "I will win stages but I may not win five. My sprint has suffered a little bit, but the guys who are sprinters, like I was, won't be there in the [Olympic road race] finish.”


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  • #22
    lennymc
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    Dan martin in the garmin barracuda squad.


  • #23
    insanity50
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    who do people think will be cadel's main competitor with contador and schleck both out?


    also, anyone know is contador competing in the olympics?


  • #24
    on_the_nickel
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    mcgratheoin wrote: »
    Meh, not sure that I got that impression. Basically they're saying what everyone is about Cav - he'll only have 2 dedicated lead out riders this year because the team is also going for the GC. They do note that if Sky are controlling a stage for Wiggins it'll help Cav as well and Boassen Hagen could get nominated as sprinter in some of the hillier stages.

    Can't see Cav finishing it to be honest - he'll have support for the 1st week, then he'll get Eisel and no more, unless Wiggins blows. Wouldn't be surprised to see him retire to concentrate on the Olympics.


  • #25
    Squidgy Black
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    mcgratheoin wrote: »
    Meh, not sure that I got that impression. Basically they're saying what everyone is about Cav - he'll only have 2 dedicated lead out riders this year because the team is also going for the GC. They do note that if Sky are controlling a stage for Wiggins it'll help Cav as well and Boassen Hagen could get nominated as sprinter in some of the hillier stages.

    Never was the best at written french, I'll stick to speaking it! Yeah a quick google translate tells me it's a case that Cav admits it'll be harder for him to win due to the fact the team are going for GC and that the team's based around Wiggins as he's a favourite to win. Cav also said in an interview that he'd changed his training to suit the Olympics and that his sprint suffered, so he wasn't planning on winning many stages.


  • #26
    buffalo
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    Lumen wrote: »
    Cav is really downplaying his prospects for the tour.

    http://road.cc/content/news/60154-mark-cavendish-expects-tour-de-france-results-suffer-olympic-preparation

    "I will win stages but I may not win five. My sprint has suffered a little bit, but the guys who are sprinters, like I was, won't be there in the [Olympic road race] finish.”

    I did read that he's been focussing on the Olympics, so training has been targeting climbing (with Box Hill in mind) rather than out and out sprinting.


  • #27
    titan18
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    I wouldn't be surprised to see Nibali or Samuel Sanchez do something. Course suits them just as Wiggins or Evans imo, and they can put pressure on Wiggins on the descents.

    A knock on Wiggins imo is that's he's holding his form through the year. I mean winning Paris-Nice, Tour de Romandie and the Dauphine has to take something out of him


  • #28
    Lumen
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    on_the_nickel wrote: »
    Can't see Cav finishing it to be honest - he'll have support for the 1st week, then he'll get Eisel and no more, unless Wiggins blows. Wouldn't be surprised to see him retire to concentrate on the Olympics.

    The irony of him losing 4kg for the Olympics is that he'll have less of an "excuse" to bail out of the tour early to prepare for the Olympics.


  • #29
    mcgratheoin
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    on_the_nickel wrote: »
    Can't see Cav finishing it to be honest - he'll have support for the 1st week, then he'll get Eisel and no more, unless Wiggins blows. Wouldn't be surprised to see him retire to concentrate on the Olympics.

    I think it'll depend on where he is in the green jersey standings after the first few stages - maybe the first time trial. If he has a good lead, then I think he may soldier on to Paris, but if it's a battle or he's behind to a more all-round rider (a la Hushovd) then he may get off his bike early.

    buffalo wrote:
    I did read that he's been focussing on the Olympics, so training has been targeting climbing (with Box Hill in mind) rather than out and out sprinting.

    I'm assuming that this training has all happened post Milan San-Remo? I thought he actually looked worse on climbs so far this year than in other years. I think he may struggle on Box Hill come the Olympics, but he's obviously confident he can get over it.


  • #30
    dastardly00
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    titan18 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised to see Nibali or Samuel Sanchez do something. Course suits them just as Wiggins or Evans imo, and they can put pressure on Wiggins on the descents.

    A knock on Wiggins imo is that's he's holding his form through the year. I mean winning Paris-Nice, Tour de Romandie and the Dauphine has to take something out of him

    what about the 2 TT though?


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  • #31
    Seve OB
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    elduggo wrote: »
    Does anyone know where one can get detailed maps of the routes? Planning on heading over for the first few stages and am trying to plan where best to be, etc.

    Has anyone bought any of the guides that the cycling mags have put out? Any use?

    cheers

    http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/COURSE/us/0/etape_par_etape.html


  • #32
    Funkyzeit
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    lennymc wrote: »
    Dan martin in the garmin barracuda squad.

    Interesting to see Hesjedal in there - and as team leader. If Hesjedal is challenging in the GC DM will be the sacrificial lamb as super domestique.

    If Hesjedal is suffering might allow DM a pass to attack on one of the alps or Pyrenees stage.


  • #33
    titan18
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    dastardly00 wrote: »
    what about the 2 TT though?

    They're both good time trialists. Not as good as Wiggins, but imo, they're better climbers and descenders than Wiggins


  • #34
    titan18
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    Funkyzeit wrote: »
    Interesting to see Hesjedal in there - and as team leader. If Hesjedal is challenging in the GC DM will be the sacrificial lamb as super domestique.

    If Hesjedal is suffering might allow DM a pass to attack on one of the alps or Pyrenees stage.

    Van de Velde and Danielson if they hit form are capable of top 10s though


  • #35
    riparooo
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    Funkyzeit wrote: »
    Interesting to see Hesjedal in there - and as team leader. If Hesjedal is challenging in the GC DM will be the sacrificial lamb as super domestique.

    If Hesjedal is suffering might allow DM a pass to attack on one of the alps or Pyrenees stage.

    I think Dan Martin has a real chance to do a Froome ala Vuelta for Garmin. He has shown this season and late last that aside from climbing he can easily stay with the pace of the race in the flats and lumpy stages. His TT has improved so he will minimise losses. I agree if he can create some space for himself and Hesjedal doesn't perform you could see Garmin changing tact and giving him the support to go for GC.

    Thrilled that DM has got the nod. It will make for a very interesting TdF from an Irish perspective.

    http://www.slipstreamsports.com/2012/06/21/press-release-2012-tour-de-france-roster


  • #36
    Sammo13
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    riparooo wrote: »
    Funkyzeit wrote: »
    Interesting to see Hesjedal in there - and as team leader. If Hesjedal is challenging in the GC DM will be the sacrificial lamb as super domestique.

    If Hesjedal is suffering might allow DM a pass to attack on one of the alps or Pyrenees stage.

    I think Dan Martin has a real chance to do a Froome ala Vuelta for Garmin. He has shown this season and late last that aside from climbing he can easily stay with the pace of the race in the flats and lumpy stages. His TT has improved so he will minimise losses. I agree if he can create some space for himself and Hesjedal doesn't perform you could see Garmin changing tact and giving him the support to go for GC.

    Thrilled that DM has got the nod. It will make for a very interesting TdF from an Irish perspective.

    http://www.slipstreamsports.com/2012/06/21/press-release-2012-tour-de-france-roster

    DM did very well in veulta, but think he will lose alot on the TT. 100km of TT will suit Evans and wiggins, but wiggins has not done it in a 3 week tour and has done a lot of racing already this year. Frome and van den Brock could win if top 2 falter..


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  • #37
    Blackrockcomet
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    Great to see Dan Martin in the tour.
    Although hesjedal may not have the legs to be team leader, Martin is highly unlikely to take over as you'd expect Danielson and Van De Velde to be ahead of him on time trials and he'll be working for them everywhere else.
    I think he should relax on the TT losing as much time as possible, do his work for the lads and hopefully he'll get a chance to go for a stage win in the mountains when one of them cracks.
    Either way, as long as he comes out of the tour in good form for the Vuelta, I will be happy


  • #38
    happytramp
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    Lads, Martin has already said he'll be looking for stage wins and the King of the Mountains jersey. Expect him to 'intentionally' lose a packet of time in the first week so he'll be allowed into the breaks to try for points on the big mountain stages.


  • #39
    Shakakan
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    Great to see Martin picked.

    Nico will be there as "joint" team leader with JC Peraud according to his article in the Irish Independent.


  • #40
    Blackrockcomet
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    Obviously Peraud will start as top dog. His form has been poor though and Roche is going alright at the moment so he could well take over.
    That said, being team leader at AG2R is like being the Managing Director of a one person company


  • #41
    ROK ON
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    happytramp wrote: »
    Lads, Martin has already said he'll be looking for stage wins and the King of the Mountains jersey. Expect him to 'intentionally' lose a packet of time in the first week so he'll be allowed into the breaks to try for points on the big mountain stages.

    Yes he will probably concentrate on KOM jersey. In the first week there are 2 steep uphill finishes.
    Day 1 a 2km uphill sprint.
    Day 7 a 6km finish averaging 8.5%

    While there are fewer uphill finishes this year there are many stages with lots of climbing.
    Stage 8 has 7 climbs between 4 & 7 km with gradients mostly in the 6-9% range.
    Anyone who wants to make KoM points needs to be driving the break that day.

    I think Evans and Wiggo will fight it out. But don't rule out Sanchez. Strong climber and strong descender. This year both will be important.


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  • #42
    RobFowl
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    Chuffed to see 2 Irish starters. A few days in the KOM jersey for DM and a stage 'with top 10 for Nico and that'll do me.......


  • #43
    donfers
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    Is Froome a good outside bet for the tour - if wiggins crashes or cracks on a particular day then I guess whoever is best on GC will take over the team leadership, his time trialling isn't bad either, worth a sneaky little tenner on him?


  • #44
    riparooo
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    donfers wrote: »
    Is Froome a good outside bet for the tour - if wiggins crashes or cracks on a particular day then I guess whoever is best on GC will take over the team leadership, his time trialling isn't bad either, worth a sneaky little tenner on him?

    I have a tenner on Froome and Sanchez to win and a each way bet on Dan Martin for a podium place.

    The odds on all I got at between 66/1 and 250/1.


  • #45
    happytramp
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    ROK ON wrote: »
    Yes he will probably concentrate on KOM jersey. In the first week there are 2 steep uphill finishes.
    Day 1 a 2km uphill sprint.
    Day 7 a 6km finish averaging 8.5%

    While there are fewer uphill finishes this year there are many stages with lots of climbing.
    Stage 8 has 7 climbs between 4 & 7 km with gradients mostly in the 6-9% range.
    Anyone who wants to make KoM points needs to be driving the break that day.

    It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. There's some good climbers going to battle this out. Martin, Hoogerland, Vanendert, Moncoutie amongst others. There's double points for the MTF's so it's a big incentive to go for the stage win. Should be very exciting.

    I wonder if we'll see any of these guys go for it on day one or will they play it cool and wait for the second week.


  • #46
    elduggo
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    stevieob wrote: »
    http://www.letour.fr/2012/TDF/COURSE/us/0/etape_par_etape.html

    cheers. I popped up to Easons last night to take a look at the guides they were selling. They had 2 - the one in the yellow cardboard box, and the Cycling Plus one. Both had the exact same 'Official Programme' in it so the decision about which one to get was dependent on what else came with it. Both were the exact same price.

    I went for the Cycling Plus one, because I'd prefer a magazine to a DVD and a book of pictures (both had a detailed map). The magazine doesn't look great, but I hadn't seen it before so opted for it more out of curiousity.

    Seems the programme has all the information one would need (though a bit pricey - the French version is a fiver on the letour website).


  • #47
    happytramp
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    elduggo wrote: »
    Seems the programme has all the information one would need (though a bit pricey - the French version is a fiver on the letour website).

    Well it seems it was good enough for Wiggin's

    "Funnily enough, my son wanted a magazine on the flight over here and he decided to buy the official Tour Guide so I had a look at some of the stages in there. It was the first time that I’d seen them all back-to-back."

    From his last interview with cyclingnews.com


  • #48
    flying11
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    Anyone interested in playing fantasy cycling for the Tour? The Giro was good craic and it adds a bit of excitement when watching the stages anyway.

    Would be a bit of fun if someone set up a boards league too

    http://velogames.com/


  • #49
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    flying11 wrote: »
    Would be a bit of fun if someone set up a boards league too

    http://velogames.com/

    League Name: boards.ie TdF
    League Code: 22110408


  • #50
    crumliniano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭crumliniano


    happytramp wrote: »
    Well it seems it was good enough for Wiggin's

    "Funnily enough, my son wanted a magazine on the flight over here and he decided to buy the official Tour Guide so I had a look at some of the stages in there. It was the first time that I’d seen them all back-to-back."

    From his last interview with cyclingnews.com

    I read that interview on cyclingnews and was a bit surprised by that.


    In comparison, Stephen Roche says on that podcast interview on The Bike Show, that someone posted about here a few days ago, that he studied the course guide in a lot of detail to plan where and when he attacked.


    Also, there is an article in Procycling this month about Sky's bid for yellow and green - they interview a number of people associated with the last team to do that successfully, Telekom with Zabel and Ullrich and Zabel and Riis - Udo Bolts advises Wiggins to "look really closely at the road book in the last week and have a plan for where you are going to use your men".


    I guess there is more ham one way to approach it, and maybe Wiggins is overstating his nonchalance anyway. interesting though.


  • #51
    jimm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 650 ✭✭✭jimm


    elduggo wrote: »
    cheers. I popped up to Easons last night to take a look at the guides they were selling. They had 2 - the one in the yellow cardboard box, and the Cycling Plus one....

    Which Easons was this? Liffey Valley branch are sold out of the boxed one.


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