2012, what's it all about?

03-07-2009 9:03pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

I think all this is more to do with frequency than anything else your talking about.The earths is going to increase over the next few years, beginning in 2012.

What do you mean its frequency? What kind of a frequency does the Earth have that can increase?

polishpaddy · 03-07-2009 9:30pm

Everything has a frequency.For example, when you look at a plant you see the colour green,the frequency being 540 (1012 Hz) terahertz.

King Mob · 03-07-2009 9:36pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

Everything has a frequency.For example, when you look at a plant you see the colour green,the frequency being 540 (1012 Hz) terahertz.

No everything doesn't have a frequency.

Only things that have a cyclical process have a fequency.

But that's light. Light is an electro magnetic wave.

The Earth isn't a wave.
The only frequency it has is it's orbital period. And that it's changing any time soon.

03-07-2009 9:44pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

Everything has a frequency.For example, when you look at a plant you see the colour green,the frequency being 540 (1012 Hz) terahertz.

That's different, though. A leaf "gives out" light which has a frequency of about 5.87x10^14 hz, that doesn't mean that the plant as a whole vibrates at that frequency: it means that certain (the majority) of the atoms in the leaves vibrate at or around that frequency.

The simple fact is that the frequency of a body composed of many many atoms is essentially cancelled out by the vibrations of the different atoms. If every atom vibrated in harmony, then there may be a substantial effect; but they all vibrate out of harmony at different frequencies; leading to an overall cancellation as a whole.

A body such as a phone doesn't have a frequency as you describe, as it's composed of too many different kinds of atoms. A body such as the Earth certainly doesn't have a frequency as you describe.

polishpaddy · 03-07-2009 10:40pm

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

That's different, though. A leaf "gives out" light which has a frequency of about 5.87x10^14 hz, that doesn't mean that the plant as a whole vibrates at that frequency: it means that certain (the majority) of the atoms in the leaves vibrate at or around that frequency.

The simple fact is that the frequency of a body composed of many many atoms is essentially cancelled out by the vibrations of the different atoms. If every atom vibrated in harmony, then there may be a substantial effect; but they all vibrate out of harmony at different frequencies; leading to an overall cancellation as a whole.

A body such as a phone doesn't have a frequency as you describe, as it's composed of too many different kinds of atoms. A body such as the Earth certainly doesn't have a frequency as you describe.

I didn't realise you knew so much about this topic.I tried to answer your question in a simplfied way.

The frequency i was referring to was not the magnetic field, as this has a frequency of 0hz.

A body such as the Earth certainly doesn't have a frequency as you describe.

I was talking about the frequency from the ionosphere down to the ground.So infact the earth has a frequency.

King mob; Does light have a frequency?
JammyDodger; Would you say a human has a certain frequency?

nayorleck114 · 03-07-2009 10:41pm

2012 = London Olympics.

polishpaddy · 03-07-2009 10:49pm

Best answer so far i think

King Mob · 03-07-2009 10:50pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

I was talking about the frequency from the ionosphere down to the ground.So infact the earth has a frequency.

But the Ionosphere reflects radiowaves.
How does this mean the Earth has a frequency?
Is it radio waves emitted?

polishpaddy wrote: »

King mob; Does light have a frequency?

Yes, because it is a electromagnetic wave.
The frequency and wavelength of which determines the colour you see.

polishpaddy wrote: »

JammyDodger; Would you say a human has a certain frequency?

No humans don't have a frequency as they do not vibrate, orbit or are waves.

polishpaddy · 03-07-2009 11:06pm

King Mob wrote: »

But the Ionosphere reflects radiowaves.
How does this mean the Earth has a frequency?
Is it radio waves emitted?

Yes, because it is a electromagnetic wave.
The frequency and wavelength of which determines the colour you see.

No humans don't have a frequency as they do not vibrate, orbit or are waves.

I'm getting the impression you don't understand the subject matter.?

6th · 03-07-2009 11:12pm

I get the impression we're moving away from the topic. Make it relevant ppl.

King Mob · 03-07-2009 11:13pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

I'm getting the impression you don't understand the subject matter.?

Really?
What gives you that impression?

You're the one claiming the Earth has a frequency.
What is that frequency exactly in hertz?
Is it a radio wave? Orbital period? Light wave?

How do you know it's changing?

watty · 03-07-2009 11:17pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

Everything has a frequency.For example, when you look at a plant you see the colour green,the frequency being 540 (1012 Hz) terahertz.

The plant is not generating green or vibrating at green frequency. The other colours are absorbed and the green reflected by the molecules.

polishpaddy · 03-07-2009 11:34pm

The plant is not generating green or vibrating at green frequency. The other colours are absorbed and the green reflected by the molecules.

I was trying to explain to him how something has a CERTAIN frequency, in this case light, ie the colour green.

Really?
What gives you that impression?

Your learning as you go along i can see it in your posts.

What is that frequency exactly in hertz?

Is frequency measured in something else besides hertz?

Is it a radio wave? Orbital period? Light wave?

If something has a frequency it has a wave lenght, right?

How do you know it's changing?

I've read about it.

03-07-2009 11:36pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

I didn't realise you knew so much about this topic.I tried to answer your question in a simplfied way.

Sorry, I didn't mean to try and trick you out or anything; I was just genuinely curious as to what you meant by everything having a frequency.

The frequency i was referring to was not the magnetic field, as this has a frequency of 0hz.

I wasn't referring to a magnetic field, either.

I was talking about the frequency from the ionosphere down to the ground.So infact the earth has a frequency.

Earth doesn't have a frequency. I'm not even sure why you're saying the ionosphere has a frequency.

Do you mean the frequency of vibration of electrons in the ionosphere?

Do you mean the frequency of collisions in the ionosphere between electrons and other particles?

Or are you talking about ionospheric radiowave propagation? (i.e. what frequencies of radiowaves the different layers of the ionosphere allow to propagate?)

You're being extremely vague.

JammyDodger; Would you say a human has a certain frequency?

No, I wouldn't. You haven't defined what you mean by everything having a frequency, so what you're saying is extremely vague.

The only thing I can think that you're talking about is the fundamental frequency of an object (i.e. the frequency an object tends to vibrate at). But that concept doesn't apply to conplex structures such as the human body, or even the Earth (as it's a physical vibration).

King Mob · 03-07-2009 11:42pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

I was trying to explain to him how something has a CERTAIN frequency, in this case light, ie the colour green.

But you see the difference between light and a planet right?

polishpaddy wrote: »

Your learning as you go along i can see it in your posts.

Unfortunately that's not true at all.

polishpaddy wrote: »

Is frequency measured in something else besides hertz?

Nope not really.
Hertz is defined at number of cycles per second.

Can you describe the frequency of the Earth in hertz or not?

polishpaddy wrote: »

If something has a frequency it has a wave lenght, right?

Nope, only waves.
Orbit have a frequency but not a wavelength.

What is the medium for the frequency of the Earth?

polishpaddy wrote: »

I've read about it.

Where?
How do you know it's true?

Ostrom · 03-07-2009 11:44pm

polishpaddy wrote: »

I'm getting the impression you don't understand the subject matter.?

Frequency is an abstraction, a wave property.

It is descriptive of that particular property of a wave. It need not necessarily apply to a wave either, which is why you need to be specific on the type you are talking about.

galwayrush · 03-07-2009 11:47pm

I know what 2112 is all about, guess 2012 is a hundred years before hand.:rolleyes:

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 12:12am

Sorry, I didn't mean to try and trick you out or anything; I was just genuinely curious as to what you meant by everything having a frequency.

I know.:)

Or are you talking about ionospheric radiowave propagation? (i.e. what frequencies of radiowaves the different layers of the ionosphere allow to propagate?)

You're being extremely vague.

Thats the one.

No, I wouldn't. You haven't defined what you mean by everything having a frequency, so what you're saying is extremely vague.

The only thing I can think that you're talking about is the fundamental frequency of an object (i.e. the frequency an object tends to vibrate at). But that concept doesn't apply to conplex structures such as the human body, or even the Earth (as it's a physical vibration).

I was under the impression that we all vibrated at a certain frequency?

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 12:13am

efla wrote: »

Frequency is an abstraction, a wave property.

It is descriptive of that particular property of a wave. It need not necessarily apply to a wave either, which is why you need to be specific on the type you are talking about.

Yes i understand that.Highter the freuqncy the SHORTER the wave lenght etc i know thats why mobile phones have small aerials.

jumpguy · 04-07-2009 12:24am

pinion wrote: »

Another theory is that the Mayan calander ends on winter solstice 2012, some think prophecising the end of world
There are other calanders too that mysteriousely end around that time.
I Ching and native american..
I can't wait....Yipee

Great! Less calenders = half the confusion.

04-07-2009 12:29am

polishpaddy wrote: »

Thats the one.

I've no more than a passing knowledge on that specific area, so I won't comment until I know more about it. I'll do some research and get back to you.

I was under the impression that we all vibrated at a certain frequency?

A lot of what I've read on objects (including humans) having a vibrational frequency tends to relate to newage ideas: crystals etc. I can't say that I pay such ideas any credence, to be honest, as there isn't a lot of science behind many of the concepts.

The fundamental frequency (or natural frequency) of an object is different altogether, though. A relatively simple object, such as a table or a bridge etc. (something made mostly out of the same material) has a frequency with which it tends to naturally vibrate (if energy is provided to it at suitable times; i.e. at the right frequency). I'm sure you've heard of instances where soldiers march out of step crossing bridges? They do this to avoid hitting the fundamental frequency of the bridge, thus limiting how much the bridge vibrates (otherwise the bridge may collapse under the vibration).

An analogy is to think of a swing, adding a little bit of energy at the proper instant causes the swing to gain more height. This is (analogous) the swings fundamental frequency, basically. You've to provide the push at the correct instances (i.e. at the correct frequency) to gain the maximum height. If you pushed at random intervals, there would be no (or very little) overall effect.

More complex items don't tend to have a fundamental frequency, as they're made out of too many different types of materials. The human body is made out of many many different materials, i.e. bone, and while each individual materal may have a fundamental frequency, the body as a whole doesn't (as the fundamental frequency for different materials is different).

Of course, what I'm talking about here is the fundamental frequency of an object. If you're talking about a different phenomenon than this, such as the frequency associated with "crystal energy" etc., then what I've explained doesn't apply.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 12:41am

A lot of what I've read on objects (including humans) having a vibrational frequency tends to relate to newage ideas: crystals etc. I can't say that I pay such ideas any credence, to be honest, as there isn't a lot of science behind many of the concepts.

The fundamental frequency (or natural frequency) of an object is different altogether, though. A relatively simple object, such as a table or a bridge etc. (something made mostly out of the same material) has a frequency with which it tends to naturally vibrate (if energy is provided to it at suitable times; i.e. at the right frequency). I'm sure you've heard of instances where soldiers march out of step crossing bridges? They do this to avoid hitting the fundamental frequency of the bridge, thus limiting how much the bridge vibrates (otherwise the bridge may collapse under the vibration).

An analogy is to think of a swing, adding a little bit of energy at the proper instant causes the swing to gain more height. This is (analogous) the swings fundamental frequency, basically. You've to provide the push at the correct instances (i.e. at the correct frequency) to gain the maximum height. If you pushed at random intervals, there would be no (or very little) overall effect.

More complex items don't tend to have a fundamental frequency, as they're made out of too many different types of materials. The human body is made out of many many different materials, i.e. bone, and while each individual materal may have a fundamental frequency, the body as a whole doesn't (as the fundamental frequency for different materials is different).

Of course, what I'm talking about here is the fundamental frequency of an object. If you're talking about a different phenomenon than this, such as the frequency associated with "crystal energy" etc., then what I've explained doesn't apply.

I've heard about the bridge and the soldiers march but never beleived it lol so it's true then.

As far as i understand it if i get sick my frequency lowers a few hertz. I've read this on many sites and as far as i know it is proven by conventional science.Another example would be freshly picked fruit it has higher hertz than frozen fruit in a freezer.

http://www.amazon.com/Rhythms-Brain-Gyorgy-Buzsaki/dp/0195301064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209135434&sr=8-1

04-07-2009 12:48am

polishpaddy wrote: »

I've heard about the bridge and the soldiers march but never beleived it lol so it's true then.

Yes, it's definitely true.

You see, when you match an object's fundamental frequency, resonance occurs. So, the vibrations become more and more violent.

For example, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge is believed to have collapsed due to resonance (and the resonance occured because the strong wind rocked the bridge backwards and forwards, matching its fundamental frequency).

As far as i understand it if i get sick my frequency lowers a few hertz. I've read this on many sites and as far as i know it is proven by conventional science.Another example would be freshly picked fruit it has higher hertz than frozen fruit in a freezer. Are we talking about the same things?

To be honest, that sounds like pseudo-science. If you maybe had a source that explained it in some detail?

King Mob · 04-07-2009 12:48am

polishpaddy wrote: »

As far as i understand it if i get sick my frequency lowers a few hertz. I've read this on many sites and as far as i know it is proven by conventional science.Another example would be freshly picked fruit it has higher hertz than frozen fruit in a freezer. Are we talking about the same things?

No such thing has been proven by conventional science.
There is no basis for this at all. It's plain pseudo-science nonsense.

People and fruit do not vibrate, orbit or move as a wave.
Therefore they can't possibly have hertz or a frequency.

Mahatma coat · 04-07-2009 1:00am

everything Vibrates

Basic Physics Mob

a frozen apple is going to have a lower Frequency than one off a tree, simple as that, I wouldnt be surprised if someone was able to pin down the specific resonant frequency of human beings at some stage in the near future

King Mob · 04-07-2009 1:13am

Mahatma coat wrote: »

everything Vibrates

Basic Physics Mob

a frozen apple is going to have a lower Frequency than one off a tree, simple as that, I wouldnt be surprised if someone was able to pin down the specific resonant frequency of human beings at some stage in the near future

Well then if it's basic physics, then you can tell us the frequency (in hertz) of a freshly picked apple right?
Of the exact difference between a fresh one and a frozen one?

As it's been pointed out humans don't have a resonant frequency because they are made of a lot of different materials.
Basic biology.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 1:26am

JammyDodger- wrote: »

Yes, it's definitely true.

You see, when you match an object's fundamental frequency, resonance occurs. So, the vibrations become more and more violent.

Very interesting i seen soemthing like that on a program about eartquakes i think. Nice one for the explantion.

JammyDodger- wrote: »

For example, the Tacoma Narrows Bridge is believed to have collapsed due to resonance (and the resonance occured because the strong wind rocked the bridge backwards and forwards, matching its fundamental frequency).

To be honest, that sounds like pseudo-science. If you maybe had a source that explained it in some detail?

I'll get some tomorrow for you as it's pretty cool.

King mob you don;t have a clue about physics lol, keep googling as you go my friend !

Matter is organized by waveforms and frequencies

04-07-2009 1:37am

polishpaddy wrote: »

Matter is organized by waveforms and frequencies

That isn't correct. If only it were as simple as that.

Basically, 99% of the stuff you'll read about humans having a frequency and all that is pseudo-science; fundamentally, it's rubbish.

I'd suggest leaving the more complex areas of physics out of this discussion (describing matter and particles in terms of wave functions etc.; it's an extremely complex area).

King Mob · 04-07-2009 1:38am

polishpaddy wrote: »

King mob you don;t have a clue about physics lol, keep googling as you go my friend !

Wrong again. But please keep making ad homiens.

polishpaddy wrote: »

Matter is organized by waveforms and frequencies

Are you talking about on the quantum level or on the Newtonian level?

Cause there is a difference.

And neither level works like how you are describing it.

Mahatma coat · 04-07-2009 1:48am

well then how about you describe it for us if you are so sure as to How it Works Mob??

all matter is energy, all energy Vibrates,, ya know I was writing a long and detailed explanation of the points, but then I thought why bother, so I'll ask, what do you understand of the Kelvin scale???

King Mob · 04-07-2009 1:56am

Mahatma coat wrote: »

well then how about you describe it for us if you are so sure as to How it Works Mob??

How what works exactly?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

all matter is energy,

Not quite true. Matter can be converted to an amount of energy (specifically the mass divided by the speed of light squared.). They are not the same thing.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

all energy Vibrates,,

Well energy is defined as the ability to do work.
The ability to do work cannot vibrate.

You may be talking about a different kind of energy (something new agey or the like) but this is not the energy that is equivalent to matter.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

ya know I was writing a long and detailed explanation of the points, but then I thought why bother,

Please do.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

so I'll ask, what do you understand of the Kelvin scale???

It's a temperature scale.

So is anyone going to clarify the "frequency of the Earth" and how it relates to 2012?

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:00am

-JammyDodger- i've a basic understanding of this area.I might generalise a bit but thats because i only know the basics.

King mob ealier you didnt even know what a wavelenght was haha.:D

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:06am

polishpaddy wrote: »

King mob ealier you didnt even know what a wavelenght was haha.:D

I'm sorry where are you getting this exactly?
I know well what a wavelength is.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:07am

So is anyone going to clarify the "frequency of the Earth" and how it relates to 2012?

Earth atmostphere vibrates at 7.83 hertz. Do you believe that?

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:14am

polishpaddy wrote: »

Earth atmostphere vibrates at 7.83 hertz. Do you believe that?

It doesn't.
You're probably thinking of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
This came up in another thread.

This isn't the atmosphere vibrating. It's really low frequency radio waves caused by lightning.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:18am

You keep editing your posts its hard to keep up with you lol.....

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:21am

polishpaddy wrote: »

You keep editing your posts its hard to keep up with you lol.....

Yea you got me.
I added two sentences to clarify stuff. Therefore my argument is invalid.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:21am

King Mob wrote: »

It doesn't.
You're probably thinking of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

This isn't the atmosphere vibrating.

Added to your late edit....

This isn't the atmosphere vibrating. It's really low frequency radio waves caused by lightning.

And what is the frequency of the atomosphere? I forgot

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:27am

polishpaddy wrote: »

Added to your late edit....

And what is the frequency of the atomosphere? I forgot

You mean the frequency of the low frequency radio waves caused by lighting?

The atmosphere doesn't have a frequency.
you're not really understanding this.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:30am

King Mob wrote: »

You mean the frequency of the low frequency radio waves caused by lighting?

The atmosphere doesn't have a frequency.
you're not really understanding this.

I don't think you understand.....

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:33am

Lightning discharges are considered to be the primary natural source of Schumann resonance excitation, lightning channels behave like huge antennas that radiate electromagnetic energy at frequencies below about 100 kHz.[16] These signals are very weak at large distances from the lightning source, but the earth-ionosphere waveguide behaves like a resonator at ELF frequencies and amplifies the spectral signals from lightning at the resonance frequencies

Now put simply this is saying from the dirt on the ground to the clouds in the sky there is a certain frequency in the air. Agreed?

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:34am

polishpaddy wrote: »

I don't think you understand.....

No I don't.

How is the Schumann Resonances the "frequency of the atmosphere"?

How does this link to 2012?

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:36am

polishpaddy wrote: »

Now put simply this is saying from the dirt on the ground to the clouds in the sky there is a certain frequency in the air. Agreed?

A certain radiowave frequency.
Not a frequency of the air itself.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:39am

King Mob wrote: »

A certain radiowave frequency.
Not a frequency of the air itself.

It's a frequency that is a part of our planet? agreed?

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:41am

polishpaddy wrote: »

It's a frequency that is a part of our planet? agreed?

Just like a lot of other naturally occurring radio wave frequencies.

It's not the frequency of the Earth.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 2:44am

King Mob wrote: »

Just like a lot of other naturally occurring radio wave frequencies.

It's not the frequency of the Earth.

Ok so thats a yes.

Natural occurring i assume you mean natual to our planet. Good.

So how does this fit into 2012?
Any ideas? Have you read anything about vedic concepts or anything along those lines?

xxcocochanelxx · 04-07-2009 2:47am

this is all to do with nostradamus' theory...google it!

King Mob · 04-07-2009 2:54am

polishpaddy wrote: »

Ok so thats a yes.

Natural occurring i assume you mean natual to our planet. Good.

So how does this fit into 2012?
Any ideas? Have you read anything about vedic concepts or anything along those lines?

I haven't.
But you claimed this frequency would increase after 2012.
Anything to back this up?
And why would such an increase effect anyone?
Or why this frequency effects anyone at it's current level.

And by natural I mean not man made.

Undergod · 04-07-2009 2:57am

polishpaddy wrote: »

Ok so thats a yes.

Natural occurring i assume you mean natual to our planet. Good.

So how does this fit into 2012?
Any ideas? Have you read anything about vedic concepts or anything along those lines?

But that's not the same thing. One naturally ocurring radio frequency among many other frequencies is not "the frequency of the earth".

To make an analogy or several:
There is phosphorus in my body. Phosphorus vibrates at X Hz at body temperature. The frequency of my body is X.

My hair is brown, so it reflects light at frequency X. X is the frequency of my hair.

I scrape a knife along a tin can. One of the (many) resulting sounds is at X Hz. X is the frequency of the knife, or the tin can.

polishpaddy · 04-07-2009 3:00am

King Mob wrote: »

I haven't.
But you claimed this frequency would increase after 2012.
Anything to back this up?
And why would such an increase effect anyone?
Or why this frequency effects anyone at it's current level.

And by natural I mean not man made.

I've read many many pages on the thinking behind why it will increase.But i don't think you will believe in such things.

2012, what's it all about?

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