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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Bruno26 wrote: »
    Fruit / yogurt would be a pretty crap lunch so no surprise there.

    I'm not knocking juicing (juices should be mostly veg though). My issue is these juice / detox programs (consuming nothing nut juice) that promise to shred you and give you a six pack in 5 days.

    Losing weight while on a juice only plan is really a side-effect of juicing ........ you will lose weight if your body needs to lose weight, the amount will depend on how much your body needs to lose ........... the real benefit to doing a juice only plan for 7 plus days is physical health and mental well-being.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    Maybe the improvement in your health was due to weight loss rather than juicing? Anything that juicing provides can be got from a balanced diet.

    Juicing has been known to eradicate and even cure certain ailments believe it or not .......... it's the Medical Professions' best kept secret!! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Juicing has been known to eradicate and even cure certain ailments believe it or not .......... it's the Medical Professions' best kept secret!! ;)

    Not sure if you're being serious!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    You changed form an unhealthy diet to a healthier one. The juicing was just a part of that.

    No such thing as detoxing by the way.

    It is true to say that a juice only plan doesn't actually "detox" the body ......... the liver detoxes the body ........ a juice only plan allows the liver to do it's job properly and for the first time in years for a lot of people! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    So your GERD symptoms abated once you changed to a healthier diet which isn't surprising given obesity and diet are risk factors for GERD symptoms.

    It had nothing to do with "juicing" apart from giving you a means to increase your veg / fruit intake. You could of incorporated this into a healthier diet without juicing and got the same result.

    No human could ever eat as much fresh raw fruit and vegetables in a day as you can juice and drink in a day :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    Really? I often eat big plates of veg for dinner. Much nicer than drinking juice all the time. But each to their own I guess.

    Could you eat 4 carrots, a whole lemon, 2 green apples, a whole courgette, a whole cucumber, 1 kilo of spinach, 1 kilo of kale, 2 sticks of celery, a whole beetroot and bunch of coriander?? All raw ......... well I juice that and call it lunch!! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    Not sure if you're being serious!

    Look up and watch a documentary called Food Matters ........ I'm deadly serious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Look up and watch a documentary called Food Matters ........ I'm deadly serious

    Think I'll give it a miss considering who directed it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    No human could ever eat as much fresh raw fruit and vegetables in a day as you can juice and drink in a day :rolleyes:

    As long as they eat enough to meet their nutritional needs it doesn't actually matter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Look up and watch a documentary called Food Matters ........ I'm deadly serious

    This documentary?

    http://bitemywords.com/2012/04/02/food-matters-but-the-film-does-not/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭mickman


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Could you eat 4 carrots, a whole lemon, 2 green apples, a whole courgette, a whole cucumber, 1 kilo of spinach, 1 kilo of kale, 2 sticks of celery, a whole beetroot and bunch of coriander?? All raw ......... well I juice that and call it lunch!! ;)

    That is not a human meal - juiced or not. There is a reason we can't eat that much veg in one sitting --- because we are not supposed to


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »

    Yes that documentary ........... try watching it yourself and forming your own opinion instead of relying on somebody else's opinion like a sheep ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    mickman wrote: »
    That is not a human meal - juiced or not. There is a reason we can't eat that much veg in one sitting --- because we are not supposed to

    That used to be a human's meal before we got lazy and corrupted our bodies ........ we're the only mammal on the planet that cook our food :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭meitina


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    It is true to say that a juice only plan doesn't actually "detox" the body ......... the liver detoxes the body ........ a juice only plan allows the liver to do it's job properly and for the first time in years for a lot of people! :)
    Exactly.
    The reason why I looked into juicing was my poor digestive health.
    I believe if your digestion doesn't work it doesn't really matter how good your diet is. The body will be left with no nutrients. Liver health is so important. I think people are just overconfident of liver's ability. Yes it does the detoxification. But please remember the workload you are puting on that poor liver!!! There was my lifestyle choices, my trust in medical advice,aka pills to make it all better, and more pills because if it didn't work at first it would if taken for years!?!? But I had enough And in order to liquefy my thickened bile the green juices came to rescue.And it's true, they only gave way for my own body to take care of the problem. Gave it a chance!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Yes that documentary ........... try watching it yourself and forming your own opinion instead of relying on somebody else's opinion like a sheep ;)

    Or you could tell us why the points made in the link I provided are wrong?

    Does it not bother you that most of their claims do not have any evidence to support them?

    Do you think it is wise to blindly follow people who buy rather than earn their qualifications?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    meitina wrote: »
    Exactly.
    The reason why I looked into juicing was my poor digestive health.
    I believe if your digestion doesn't work it doesn't really matter how good your diet is. The body will be left with no nutrients. Liver health is so important. I think people are just overconfident of liver's ability. Yes it does the detoxification. But please remember the workload you are puting on that poor liver!!! There was my lifestyle choices, my trust in medical advice,aka pills to make it all better, and more pills because if it didn't work at first it would if taken for years!?!? But I had enough And in order to liquefy my thickened bile the green juices came to rescue.And it's true, they only gave way for my own body to take care of the problem. Gave it a chance!

    I had severe stomach problems myself, was on medication for 8 years .......... I was also slightly over-weight, drank too much when I did drink, heavy smoker and ate whatever crap I wanted whenever I wanted ........ I asked my doctor for advice and he said "to use will power to give up smoking and lose weight, cut down on the drink if you can ......... it might help with your stomach problems too but you will be on your medication for the rest of your life."

    I just thought "I can't go on forever feeling like ****!!" ......... I had tried several "well-balanced" diets, going to the gym, giving up smoking cold turkey etc. and none of it worked.

    One day I came across this documentary called "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead" and I laughed out loud saying to the wife "that's me!!" :D
    But then I watched it .......... then I looked deeper into juicing ......... then I tried it!!
    Within one week of juicing I stopped taking my medication and haven't taken/needed it since .........
    Within 10 days I'd stopped smoking .......
    Two years on I feel better than I did 20 years ago!!

    I was just like the doubters on here ........ until I actually gave it a go :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    jh79 wrote: »

    FWIW I've seen that and I'd be inclined to agree with that review, or at least say it's pretty close. There's definitely an agenda there against conventional medicine.

    Re juicing: it's a handy way of upping fruit and veg intake but weight loss is still governed by energy in/out, and it's certainly not a cure for cancer but all the extra vitamins are hardly a bad thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    Or you could tell us why the points made in the link I provided are wrong?

    Does it not bother you that most of their claims do not have any evidence to support them?

    Do you think it is wise to blindly follow people who buy rather than earn their qualifications?

    Are you not blindly following the opinions of those "qualified" people??? Maybe do a bit more research than Google???

    To truly know about juicing and it's effects you have to actually do it ...........
    those "qualified" people have their own reasons for forming their opinions and those reasons are not based on evidence :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Essien wrote: »
    FWIW I've seen that and I'd be inclined to agree with that review, or at least say it's pretty close. There's definitely an agenda there against conventional medicine.

    Re juicing: it's a handy way of upping fruit and veg intake but weight loss is still governed by energy in/out, and it's certainly not a cure for cancer but all the extra vitamins are hardly a bad thing.

    Have you ever tried a juice only plan ......... ???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    Essien wrote: »
    FWIW I've seen that and I'd be inclined to agree with that review, or at least say it's pretty close. There's definitely an agenda there against conventional medicine.

    Re juicing: it's a handy way of upping fruit and veg intake but weight loss is still governed by energy in/out, and it's certainly not a cure for cancer but all the extra vitamins are hardly a bad thing.

    But it is completely unnecessary if you have a normal balanced diet.

    Seriously, it is just a blended food how do people think this makes it any more nutritious?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Have you ever tried a juice only plan ......... ???

    No, I like food.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    But it is completely unnecessary if you have a normal balanced diet.

    Seriously, it is just a blended food how do people think this makes it any more nutritious?

    Well that just shows your knowledge of nutrition ......... it's not blended btw :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Essien wrote: »
    No, I like food.

    Me too ........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Are you not blindly following the opinions of those "qualified" people??? Maybe do a bit more research than Google???

    To truly know about juicing and it's effects you have to actually do it ...........
    those "qualified" people have their own reasons for forming their opinions and those reasons are not based on evidence :rolleyes:

    How about providing evidence from people with genuine qualifications that juicing provides anything other than an easy way to increase veg intake?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Well that just shows your knowledge of nutrition ......... it's not blended btw :rolleyes:

    Explain it to me so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    jh79 wrote: »
    But it is completely unnecessary if you have a normal balanced diet.

    Seriously, it is just a blended food how do people think this makes it any more nutritious?

    I completely agree, I'm just saying if juicing helps people get in more fruit and veg, it can't be a bad thing. Even if it is only a convenience thing.

    I'm 100% on the side of a well balanced diet of real food. Juicing is absolutely not necessary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭meitina


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I had severe stomach problems myself, was on medication for 8 years .......... I was also slightly over-weight, drank too much when I did drink, heavy smoker and ate whatever crap I wanted whenever I wanted ........ I asked my doctor for advice and he said "to use will power to give up smoking and lose weight, cut down on the drink if you can ......... it might help with your stomach problems too but you will be on your medication for the rest of your life."

    I just thought "I can't go on forever feeling like ****!!" ......... I had tried several "well-balanced" diets, going to the gym, giving up smoking cold turkey etc. and none of it worked.

    One day I came across this documentary called "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead" and I laughed out loud saying to the wife "that's me!!" :D
    But then I watched it .......... then I looked deeper into juicing ......... then I tried it!!
    Within one week of juicing I stopped taking my medication and haven't taken/needed it since .........
    Within 10 days I'd stopped smoking .......
    Two years on I feel better than I did 20 years ago!!

    I was just like the doubters on here ........ until I actually gave it a go :)

    Yes. Very much my experience! The documentary only came to me this spring. That was after nearly 2 years of lifestyle changes. No fast food,only my own homecooked meals, I don't smoke, I drink only on christmas ;-)
    But I just couldn't get of the nexium. Was 6years on it.Doctor's said I have oesophagus not closing. Ofcourse weight loss would help.but then again I had heartburn when I was my ideal weight.
    So essentially it was the nexium not letting me of the nexium. Even if I was off it for the most of the time I would still go through 2, 3times a month of random hellish heartburn only nexium would ease.
    And then when I started the juice it was like taken away in one week. So I haven't taken no pills this year for first in years.
    Thanks to that documentary.
    It gave me hope, and delivered!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    Essien wrote: »
    I completely agree, I'm just saying if juicing helps people get in more fruit and veg, it can't be a bad thing. Even if it is only a convenience thing.

    I'm 100% on the side of a well balanced diet of real food. Juicing is absolutely not necessary.

    Until they get bored and it is not so convenient anymore then it's back to square one. Fad diets are never good long term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    jh79 wrote: »
    Until they get bored and it is not so convenient anymore then it's back to square one. Fad diets are never good long term.

    Agreed. It's handy every now and again but if it was at the core of your diet I don't know how you wouldn't get fed up very quickly. In that case, it's just another way around learning how to make real food and just managing your diet that way, as you should.


  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭meitina


    jh79 wrote: »
    Until they get bored and it is not so convenient anymore then it's back to square one. Fad diets are never good long term.

    Juicing should never be taken up as a fad diet. Fast weight loss solution! It is just so wrong.
    Also it is so black and white if you consider that it is the only reason one should start juicing.
    Actually it would benefit anyone's diet.
    Forget about all those processed juices in shops forever. That is not juice!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Lia_lia


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Could you eat 4 carrots, a whole lemon, 2 green apples, a whole courgette, a whole cucumber, 1 kilo of spinach, 1 kilo of kale, 2 sticks of celery, a whole beetroot and bunch of coriander?? All raw ......... well I juice that and call it lunch!! ;)

    No, I couldn't. Why on earth would I need that much food for lunch? And for the record I am a vegetarian and generally eat vegetables for lunch and dinner, but no need to have that much!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    Until they get bored and it is not so convenient anymore then it's back to square one. Fad diets are never good long term.

    Define "long-term"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Essien wrote: »
    Agreed. It's handy every now and again but if it was at the core of your diet I don't know how you wouldn't get fed up very quickly. In that case, it's just another way around learning how to make real food and just managing your diet that way, as you should.

    Only those who juice properly know how far wide of the mark you really are .........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    Explain it to me so.

    Look it up for yourself .......... better still try it for yourself then, and only then, you might know what you're talking about ......... you would then have what is known as an informed opinion :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    No, I couldn't. Why on earth would I need that much food for lunch? And for the record I am a vegetarian and generally eat vegetables for lunch and dinner, but no need to have that much!

    Why on earth would you need that much nutrition for lunch ........ well ........ I guess you don't :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Look it up for yourself .......... better still try it for yourself then, and only then, you might know what you're talking about ......... you would then have what is known as an informed opinion :rolleyes:

    If you want to believe that blenders have magic powers that's up to you. I don't need to research how a spinning blade works.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭mickman


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    That used to be a human's meal before we got lazy and corrupted our bodies ........ we're the only mammal on the planet that cook our food :confused:

    Cooking food increases the availability of some nutrients.

    We cook our food as we are top of the food chain. If a dog knew how to cook his food then he would

    You would prob have felt just as good by giving up drink / smoking and eating healthier - juicing helped you do that do fair play but you would have achieved same results eating a balanced diet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Essien


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Only those who juice properly know how far wide of the mark you really are .........

    Properly? It's putting things into a blender, there isn't much room for error.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭SarB89


    Anyone else have any recommendations on good juicers please?? This thread is kinda gone off topic with debates..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,007 ✭✭✭mad m


    SarB89 wrote: »
    Anyone else have any recommendations on good juicers please?? This thread is kinda gone off topic with debates..

    If your in a rush in mornings or any other time then philips centrifugal juicer is your man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    If you want to believe that blenders have magic powers that's up to you. I don't need to research how a spinning blade works.

    Not a big fan of blending myself, juicing however is fantastic .......... of course juicers are not magical but I do believe (know) that the soluble fibre, protein and nutrition (ie the juice!) from fresh fruit and vegetables are quite powerful, call the physical effects it has on the human body magical if you wish :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    mickman wrote: »
    Cooking food increases the availability of some nutrients.

    We cook our food as we are top of the food chain. If a dog knew how to cook his food then he would

    You would prob have felt just as good by giving up drink / smoking and eating healthier - juicing helped you do that do fair play but you would have achieved same results eating a balanced diet

    Heat actually kills the nutrients in most foods, there are of course some exceptions ........... broccoli and tomatoes, for example, are more nutritionally beneficial when cooked.

    Gave up drinking and smoking before I juiced while maintaining a balanced diet and I felt good ............. however I felt great whilst juicing! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Essien wrote: »
    Properly? It's putting things into a blender, there isn't much room for error.

    Well you just made one vital error .......... blending is not the same as juicing :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Heat actually kills the nutrients in most foods, there are of course some exceptions ........... broccoli and tomatoes, for example, are more nutritionally beneficial when cooked.

    Gave up drinking and smoking before I juiced while maintaining a balanced diet and I felt good ............. however I felt great whilst juicing! :)

    Are you saying it is not possible to meet your nutritional needs without blending/juicing? With just cooked and raw fruit and veg?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,656 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Heat actually kills the nutrients in most foods, there are of course some exceptions ........... broccoli and tomatoes, for example, are more nutritionally beneficial when cooked

    The level of heat is important and in many cases, e.g. vegetables, heat doesn't kill the nutrients. Not to any meaningful extent.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    SarB89 wrote: »
    Anyone else have any recommendations on good juicers please?? This thread is kinda gone off topic with debates..

    Very true, the OP asked advice about juicers, have no idea why non-juicers feel the need to post here ......... :confused:

    Anyway there are basically three types of juicers .......... a masticating juicer, a fusion juicer and a centrifugal juicer.

    The masticating juicer is a slow cold press juicer and requires you to cut up the fruit and veg before juicing .......... they provide the highest quality juice but are quite slow to use, difficult to clean and very expensive.

    The centrifugal juicer is best for a beginner ............. they are extremely fast, easy to clean and cheaper than other juicers. I recommend the Philips range.

    The fusion juicer is my personal preferred juicer ........... for speed, price and quality of juice it's somewhere between the masticaticating and centrifugal juicers, basically it's the best of both worlds.

    It's worth noting than when it comes to juicers you do generally get what you pay for!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    jh79 wrote: »
    Are you saying it is not possible to meet your nutritional needs without blending/juicing? With just cooked and raw fruit and veg?

    No


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    The level of heat is important and in many cases, e.g. vegetables, heat doesn't kill the nutrients. Not to any meaningful extent.

    Not true ............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    No

    So you agree juicing isn't necessary for a healthy lifestyle and gives no advantage beyond providing an easy method to increase fruit and veg intake?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,656 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Not true ............

    Care to expand?


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