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  • #152
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    well to be honest im struggling to pay my fees and cant get SUSI so its like a really nice opportunity :) (i read u dont pay school fees) , who knows people can change in a few months maybe by second year ill turn into a genius especially if i spend all of summer studying for all of the tests im gonna fail (messing ;))


  • #153
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    How bad are schols actually? I mean I'd like to say I'll go for them but realistically speaking I doubt I'm smart enough :P Need to get through the summer exams first!

    Oh and with 1006 Scortho Henman didn't have an essay last year (Cicely and Ryder) even though he had one every year beforehand.. They probably caught a lot of people with it so I think covering all bases will be neccessary unfortunately :P


  • #154
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    http://www.tcd.ie/Local/Exam_Papers/schol_search.cgi?Course=016&acyear=2012

    The exams are held in January and they're a bit above the standard of the 2nd year annual exams. The biggest challenge is the layout of the papers though. Paper 1 has two modules PH2001/PH2003 and Paper 2 spans three modules PH2004/PH2006 and PH2009 (Whose amount of content isn't far off JF Physiology). Paper 3 is a set of five questions (Pharmaceutics, Chemistry, Practice, Pharmacology and Pharmacognosy) based on a set of papers you have to read on a particular topic. Last year was diabetes, this year was asthma, next year who knows.

    Having to study so many different modules for a single paper is just unimaginably horrible. To give you an idea of what it was like, check out what was being said back in January: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=82529877#1887 The day before the exam I was very seriously considering to just forfeit, cut my losses and just enjoy the last week of the christmas holidays. The fact that they're optional makes it all too easy to lose your resolve.

    They're pretty intense but with five people this year, they're far from impossible. I'd highly recommend doing the exams, even if you're not completely confident you'll get a first. At the very least, you'll be well-prepped for most of the Michaelmas term material.


  • #155
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    How bad are schols actually? I mean I'd like to say I'll go for them but realistically speaking I doubt I'm smart enough :P Need to get through the summer exams first!

    Oh and with 1006 Scortho Henman didn't have an essay (Cicely and Ryder) even though he had one every year beforehand.. They probably caught a lot of people with it so I think covering all bases will be neccessary unfortunately :P


    Henman didnt have an essay?! Sweet jesus thatd been a tough exam. Cicely's one is ethics and crap wasnt it.

    I knew i wasnt schols material from day one. When I saw some of my friends struggle and burnout from the study I decided Id be better off enjoying my time! considering no one from my year got them Ive no regrets.


  • #156
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    well to be honest im struggling to pay my fees and cant get SUSI so its like a really nice opportunity :) (i read u dont pay school fees) , who knows people can change in a few months maybe by second year ill turn into a genius especially if i spend all of summer studying for all of the tests im gonna fail (messing ;))

    Sure see how you get on.

    On the fees do you have to pay the full whack or the reg? I dont get susi either, i end up doing 2 twelve hour shifts at the weekend to pay for mine


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  • #157
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    Yeah his question was almost the exact same every year which would've been nice :P Cicely's stuff is ethics kinda stuff, code of conduct, community and hospital pharmacy. I wouldn't be surprised if she had an essay and then it'd be a toss up between Ryder and Henman.

    Schols sounds like great craic :P As long as its Michaelmas term only I might try keep on top of it and see what happens. It'd be no harm keeping on top of SF stuff by the sounds of it. I'll try get through first year first however :D


  • #158
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Brings back memories... last year before the PH1006 exam we all spent the morning learning a pre-written answer for Henman's set of three questions (Because they hadn't changed for so many years).

    The minute we turned over the papers... "ah for fucks sake" :p

    I did Cicely's essay which was strangely reminiscent of English Paper I back in the LC.


  • #159
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    Scortho wrote: »
    Sure see how you get on.

    On the fees do you have to pay the full whack or the reg? I dont get susi either, i end up doing 2 twelve hour shifts at the weekend to pay for mine

    7000 euro a year if it doesnt increase :'(


  • #160
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    How bad an idea would it be to just learn for 5-6 of the SAQs for Physiology and learn the MCQs? I figure it'd be better to know 60% of it pretty well instead of having a basic understanding of 100% since the questions are so specific.


  • #161
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Scortho, how was the Microbio MCQ last year if you can still remember it?

    What kind of questions are asked?


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  • #162
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Scortho, how was the Microbio MCQ last year if you can still remember it?

    What kind of questions are asked?

    It was great...I ended up back in August redoing the ****ing thing!

    I totally neglected it until the day before when I realised that there was a lot in it. Repeat went well though....concentrate on the latter part of it than the first part unless microbes and fungi are of interest to you.

    The latter part was stuff like vaccines and viruses which at least were more relevant to pharmacy. Mcqs were grand! I thing it was quarter neg marking so at that rate your better of guessing the ones you don't know. According to gus I'd have passed first time had I done that!:/ there were some tricky mcqs though that unless you knew every lecture inside out, you were going to end up guessing them or leave them blank.


  • #163
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    7000 euro a year if it doesnt increase :'(

    In that case move into the 24 hr reading room. I didn't realise it was that high! You could get notes of a scholar as well.


  • #164
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    How bad an idea would it be to just learn for 5-6 of the SAQs for Physiology and learn the MCQs? I figure it'd be better to know 60% of it pretty well instead of having a basic understanding of 100% since the questions are so specific.

    I'd be of the same mind. Do as much as you can without neglecting the other subjects. No point in getting a first in physiology and failing 02 and 03.

    There are topics that come up all the time. Look back over the last few years and see what topics came up the most. From recollection cardio and pregnancy make a regular appearance.


  • #165
    [Deleted User]
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    Hi everyone,
    I am sitting the Leaving Cert in June and Pharmacy is 2nd on my CAO (Veterinary being first) but I'm thinking of switching it to first due to wider career options, possibilities to work internationally etc
    How do you guys find the course? Is it enjoyable? I am doing HL Chemistry, Biology and Maths and they are my favourite classes.


  • #166
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hi everyone,
    I am sitting the Leaving Cert in June and Pharmacy is 2nd on my CAO (Veterinary being first) but I'm thinking of switching it to first due to wider career options, possibilities to work internationally etc
    How do you guys find the course? Is it enjoyable? I am doing HL Chemistry, Biology and Maths and they are my favourite classes.

    What area are you interested in.
    Community pharmacy or hospital.

    It is a good course that has great opportunities but if you're more interested in community or hospital pharmacy I'd recommend the RCSI.
    If you really like science and would have an interest in working in industry then if recommend trinity.
    A Lot of what we do on the course is orientated towards industry as opposed towards clinical pharmacy which is annoying considering most of us will end up doing clinical pharmacy.

    On the international opportunities it really is only the eu and Canada that your qualified To work in. Both the US and Austrailia require further exams of which the exams in the US are hard to sit.


  • #167
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    What's the PH2003 MCQ like? What sort of questions are asked?

    I don't understand why they can't just put up a sample MCQ for some of these papers instead of leaving it a surprise.


  • #168
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    What's the PH2003 MCQ like? What sort of questions are asked?

    I don't understand why they can't just put up a sample MCQ for some of these papers instead of leaving it a surprise.

    Some of the questions are grand and some are tricky! It's only 10 though so it ain't too bad.
    Did sasse not go over them in the tutorial?
    I think one or two were similar to the 06 ones but I left them blank!:)
    Make sure to tick the I don't feckin no box for the ones your not sure of as they dock you one mark for that...something to do with us being future professionals and admitting when we don't know!
    A few of my friends came out neg. on it which was a bit awful...pushed a few into the repeat category.

    It could be worse. 3004 is 2 hour mcq exam with 36 mcqs....nearly one for each lecture!:/


  • #169
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    guys roughly how many hours of study are you doing per day at this stage of the year :)


  • #170
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    guys roughly how many hours of study are you doing per day at this stage of the year :)

    12 ish!:( and a lot of wasted time on boards.

    Why do you ask?


  • #171
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    you cant be serious, 12??????
    i do a third of that :'( omg!


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  • #172
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    dont u like take breaks and stuff, in fairness i was expecting u to say 8 or something. how do u do it like when do u wake up and stuff :D


  • #173
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    12ish as well but I burn out at the end :P I'm not getting much done though :pac:


  • #174
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    12ish as well but I burn out at the end :P I'm not getting much done though :pac:
    u too jack :o


  • #175
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    thats it then tomorrow im doing 13 hours straight!!!! >:(


  • #176
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    13 hours straight is a bit much :P Just make a plan and stick to it. If we do the work now we won't have to repeat (hopefully). Honestly the LC was a walk in the park in comparison.


  • #177
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    true i miss it so much never taught id say this but the taught of studying in summer is too much :O


  • #178
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    this is an email from aine kelly:

    Read the question carefully and answer specifically what is asked. No marks are given for irrelevant information.
    Don’t question sport or try to predict questions – there is absolutely no pattern or formula to the way we set questions each year.
    If you are asked specifically for a table/flow chart/diagram etc then provide one.
    It is fine to answer questions in bullet point form. However, if you are asked to ‘describe’ a mechanism, prose style would be required.
    If you know the material in the lecture slides, you are sure of passing and getting a good mark. Students who do background reading in relevant sections of the recommended textbooks and understand that material have a better chance of achieving excellent marks.

    apparently the slides alone are enough to get a good mark which might be around 60 so if u want dont waste too much time looking for detail in the book


  • #179
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    dont u like take breaks and stuff, in fairness i was expecting u to say 8 or something. how do u do it like when do u wake up and stuff :D

    Study from 8 until 2 then take one hour then study form 3 until 6 and take an hour then 7 until 9 take an hour and do one last hour of study!
    I'd normally take a 5-10 min after each hour just to give me a quick rest and then back into it.

    How do I do it? Lets just say I've spent far too much time in the hamilton library in July and August to know that I have to do it!
    Oh and I want to change my car so being able to work more will increase the budget!:)

    Unless you're looking for a first from physiology, the slides and mcqs should be fine. Jack will tell you how much I used my old physiology book!:D


  • #180
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    13 hours straight is a bit much :P Just make a plan and stick to it. If we do the work now we won't have to repeat (hopefully). Honestly the LC was a walk in the park in comparison.

    I definitely agree! I've more notes for one module than I did for my entire lc. One module consists of 3000 slides as well (I was bored....;/)


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  • #181
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    Ah Physiology.. Personally I like to end the day with it.. Ya know something to look forward to :P I find with some of the lecturers you'll be fine with the slides but I read the chapter anyway to try make it stick.

    Did you even open that Physiology book? :P


  • #182
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    yeah and it had too many diagrams and writing in it, it made me feel dizzy so i just snapped it shut! xD. what a waste of money


  • #183
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    I only read that book (As in actually read it and not just opened it and lost the will to live) the week before the physiology exam. Despite hating the module and fearing it above all others... I managed 90%. How much of that was due to the book, I can't say... don't remember it being all that useful in the exam save for a single MCQ.


  • #184
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I only read that book (As in actually read it and not just opened it and lost the will to live) the week before the physiology exam. Despite hating the module and fearing it above all others... I managed 90%. How much of that was due to the book, I can't say... don't remember it being all that useful in the exam save for a single MCQ.
    did u re write the notes in ur own words and learn them off or use the notes from going to lectures or just learn eveything off from the slides?


  • #185
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    I only read that book (As in actually read it and not just opened it and lost the will to live) the week before the physiology exam. Despite hating the module and fearing it above all others... I managed 90%. How much of that was due to the book, I can't say... don't remember it being all that useful in the exam save for a single MCQ.

    90!? Fair play. I tried that MCQ the other day and I wasn't exactly happy :P The exam's a killer because you get tested on your knowledge of several lectures with one question and it's often off 1 particular slide.


  • #186
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    did u re write the notes in ur own words and learn them off or use the notes from going to lectures or just learn eveything off from the slides?
    The slides and the very occasional bit of Wikipedia.
    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    90!? Fair play. I tried that MCQ the other day and I wasn't exactly happy :P The exam's a killer because you get tested on your knowledge of several lectures with one question and it's often off 1 particular slide.
    You'll some come to realise that's the problem with most of the exams :p


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  • #187
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    The slides and the very occasional bit of Wikipedia.
    sorry to keep bothering you with the questions :p but how do u learn from the slides do u like re write the information down or like just repeat the info out loud to urself till you learn it off? this is cause i find re writing the slides to take WAY too much time and i have no lecture notes from attending lectures (surprise!)


  • #188
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    sorry to keep bothering you with the questions :p but how do u learn from the slides do u like re write the information down or like just repeat the info out loud to urself till you learn it off? this is cause i find re writing the slides to take WAY too much time and i have no lecture notes from attending lectures (surprise!)
    Reading... re-reading... reading again... pacing my room and telling myself i'm screwed as I try (and fail) to remember random details... and then a bit of reading to top it all off.

    For a subject as big as physiology, I can't think of a better way to do it. That said, it's what works for you that you need to do, not what worked for me. Try a few things, see what works best and then go full steam ahead.


  • #189
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    Every exam question in pharmacy seems to be off one feckin slide!

    Partyatmygaff take a look at the 2003 question from fabio last year. It was on photosynthesis in tropical plants. Fabio had one slide on this.
    The mechanism for tropical plants was so complicated that it needed a page of its own to see it properly. Wouldn't mind but I knew the other 3 mechanisms of photosynthesis. And most of the other couple of hundred slides that he had!

    I've found writing and taking notes in class to be a waste at this stage!:/
    What I take in class in September is totally illegible in October yet alone April!
    Best think to do is to read reread cover try say and check and say again and then move on! It makes studying the night before so much easier.


  • #190
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    sorry to keep bothering you with the questions :p but how do u learn from the slides do u like re write the information down or like just repeat the info out loud to urself till you learn it off? this is cause i find re writing the slides to take WAY too much time and i have no lecture notes from attending lectures (surprise!)

    The only lecture notes you really need are quigs on 0, 1st and 2 nd order reactions and the t 1/2, walsh's mechanisms for 02 and his stuff on chromatography for 03.
    Healy's isotherms as well.
    If you haven't got them email them and ask for them/where you can get the info.


  • #191
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Scortho wrote: »
    Every exam question in pharmacy seems to be off one feckin slide!

    Partyatmygaff take a look at the 2003 question from fabio last year. It was on photosynthesis in tropical plants. Fabio had one slide on this.
    The mechanism for tropical plants was so complicated that it needed a page of its own to see it properly. Wouldn't mind but I knew the other 3 mechanisms of photosynthesis. And most of the other couple of hundred slides that he had!

    I've found writing and taking notes in class to be a waste at this stage!:/
    What I take in class in September is totally illegible in October yet alone April!
    Best think to do is to read reread cover try say and check and say again and then move on! It makes studying the night before so much easier.
    Ah yes... the pharmacognosy slides. 4/5 undersized diagrams from Wikipedia (with little to no text) for his essay question and pages upon pages of the BP/Ph. Eur. with all the specific monographs we supposedly don't need to memorise.


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  • #192
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    Ah Physiology.. Personally I like to end the day with it.. Ya know something to look forward to :P I find with some of the lecturers you'll be fine with the slides but I read the chapter anyway to try make it stick.

    Did you even open that Physiology book? :P

    Eh I had a glance...it was my realisation that most college books are a waste of time and money, 2 things that one should never waste!:)

    I've only found a handful of books useful in fact. Foys med chem, hart and crane organic chemistry, aultons for pharmaceutics practicals, a tiny blue book on pharmaceutical calcs, the rang and dale and the trusty bnf (2007).
    All of which are available for free as PDFs online......
    If i was to recommend one it'd be hart and crane. It got a nice bit of use.

    Aine Kelly made us buy the book in order to get access to the lecture slides.
    With the book came a code to get access to them. Load of bull**** so it was.


  • #193
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    Ah yes... the pharmacognosy slides. 4/5 undersized diagrams from Wikipedia (with little to no text) for his essay question and pages upon pages of the BP/Ph. Eur. with all the specific monographs we supposedly don't need to memorise.

    It's those diagrams that he screws you with! Knows people will look at them and think nah all this writing will come up!

    No one or two samples/tests from the bp as he does actually require it! But not all of them. From what I remember it was the methods of carrying out the assays (loss on drying, total ash, that he looked for!)

    Sasse's slides are way worse. Just random pictures that have no link to the next one!

    We found pavias slides to be really good! It was like a summary of his book.


  • #194
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    Any advice for the 1003 chromatography question? I think I should just read my notes because they can ask anything really. Not very predictable :rolleyes:


  • #195
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    Any advice for the 1003 chromatography question? I think I should just read my notes because they can ask anything really. Not very predictable :rolleyes:

    Stick to your lecture notes for the chromatography question. Walsh's slides are useless for this one unfortunately. If you dont have good notes, contact him to express your concerns....he should help you out as he doesnt want to be correcting supplementals in August!
    Fabio's slides on chromatography should be fine for his part.
    Theres a load in that question that could come up but they generally put in 4-5 questions that everyone should know.


  • #196
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    Sound :) I reckon my notes are decent :) Fabio's notes are quite.. extensive :P Be grand


  • #197
    FaoiSin
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭FaoiSin


    partyatmygaff how was the 1004 MCQ? (New in last year :P) Nothing to go on really :P

    Should I go over the stuff in the practical manual? Did they give ye a sample?


  • #198
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    JeaicMaG wrote: »
    partyatmygaff how was the 1004 MCQ? Nothing to go on really :P

    Should I go over the stuff in the practical manual? Did they give ye a sample?
    They didn't give us a sample. Last I recall, it was more or less random points from the slides with about 3 questions that absolutely no one could answer as they'd never been mentioned in any of the lectures.

    You'll get questions based on what you covered in the lectures with about 10 or so calculations at the end.

    All in all, it's not too bad.


  • #199
    abdul 1995
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭abdul 1995


    hi how much percentage do we get from giving up the lab book for 1003 and does it count for your final exam as in does it help you for your exam or do u still have to get over 40% regardless? thanks.


  • #200
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    abdul 1995 wrote: »
    hi how much percentage do we get from giving up the lab book for 1003 and does it count for your final exam as in does it help you for your exam or do u still have to get over 40% regardless? thanks.

    It should say in the blue book what the percentage is.
    You have to pass every written pharmacy paper. To that result, the marks from continuos assessment are added and then you get your final result.
    If you don't pass the written paper, you will have to resit it unless you get over 30% in it and haven't failed any other paper. Then you pass that module by compensation. As far as I know if you fail 2 modules but get more than 35% in them and pass the rest you pass by compensation. Have a check of the blue book though just in case I'm wrong.

    Lastly if you haven't submitted all of the continuous assessment you may be required to resubmit the incomplete work.


  • #201
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Out of interest... did Gilmer cover benzene metabolism last year in PH2001?


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