Work??? Feck that.

Senna · 22-05-2009 11:10pm

kraggy wrote: »

Do NOT call Social Welfare.

TOO LATE.

I phoned the local offices today, all they needed was her name and address, she is going to be called to a review meeting asap, but they would not tell me what would happen.

I did look into it further before calling them, she has no kids or dependents and drives a 2006 big car (i didn't see it), i drive a 1996 car! After dole she would have been better off by about €55 a week by taking the job, she told one of the staff this. But she just cant be bothered working 40 extra hours for €55 over sitting on her ass on the dole, its a sh1t SW system, but that does not excuse her.

Also, this is Donegal, were the cost of living is the lowest in the country, so €9.50 could be the equivalent of €12/13 in Dublin, its not a sh1t wage to start on.

skelliser · 22-05-2009 11:16pm

reminds me of joe duffy last week similar story but this women had kids

what kinda work is it btw?

Epic Tissue · 22-05-2009 11:19pm

Meh, she is maximizing her profits.. fair play to her.

Plus, you don't know she is sitting on her ass when she's not "working". She could be volunteering, studying, training, doing her hobbies, whatever..

Senna · 22-05-2009 11:27pm

Epic Tissue wrote: »

Meh, she is maximizing her profits.. fair play to her.

She wont be anymore, hopefully she get feck all for awhile.

As for the bleeding heart liberals on here, if she didn't want to work because she was putting her time to a good use like volunteering, the she would have said that. My conversation with her revolved around money, plain and simple, that was all she was interested in.

Volunteering...Dont make me laugh:rolleyes:

white apples · 22-05-2009 11:45pm

zudo wrote: »

€9.50 is a perfect decent wage and then you ask OP "what kind of job is it?"

It's a little more than the dole, tbh.

And therein lies the problem.

I understand what you're saying about social responsibility etc but we don't exactly have shining examples of this in our leading politicians, why should we expect it from our citizens.

The system is completely ridiculous - a 5 year old would come up with a better plan. Why should she work 40 hours a week when she can get pretty much the same for doing SFA? Apart from social responsibility / pride yada yada yada. The government can't just expect people to take less for doing more work, they need to change this broken SW system of ours.

O'Coonassa · 22-05-2009 11:48pm

Senna wrote: »

But she just cant be bothered working 40 extra hours for €55 over sitting on her ass on the dole, its a sh1t SW system, but that does not excuse her.

It's surely an insane setup but who would work for a tenner a day?

connundrum · 22-05-2009 11:57pm

I was about to start a similar thread based on my recent experience.

We had a guy working for us on a site (€10.60p/h Security Work) whose hours were cut to approx 20 hours p/w due to a contract reconstruction.

We offered him a full time job on another site 10 miles down the road (he drives). He refused the new job, saying that he'd prefer to work part time and claim part dole. I agreed, but stated that I couldn't guarantee the 20 hours (could go up or down by 5 or so hours).

Every week since he's rang complaining that he isn't getting enough hours etc. Every time I offered the new job and every time he refused saying that he was better off where he was. I don't know what to do with the guy, as I'd be bringing trouble on myself for sacking him without proper reason (my actual reason would be that he's an impossible to please, annoying cnut).

Apart from that, I posted in W&J during the week saying that we were looking for people in North and South Dublin. I got a few PM's expressing interest, but no one sent a CV in. We have an ad on irishjobs.ie from which we get CV's, but when guys find out the details (which I don't think are life or death) i.e. possible night work, possible Sunday work etc they lose interest and don't even show for interview.

OR - when they do show for interview, there is no such thing as formal attire, not even an effort. The best we got was one guy wearing a shirt (ironed).

Jobs crisis my blue arse.

22-05-2009 11:58pm

O'Coonassa wrote: »

It's surely an insane setup but who would work for a tenner a day?

I would. I'd rather get paid 200 quid a week to work than sit on my arse. Sure, I only made about 100 quid last week (I freelance) - I still liked being able to get up on the morning and go to work instead of watching telly all day. I can't stand this mentality of 'oh it's only a bit more than the dole.' So what? Why do people feel so entitled to make rakes of money for a simple shop job? 9.50 is a pretty good hourly wage. I started on 10.50 last year for a job that required a college degree and three languages, for God's sake! Such a sense of entitlement among so many people who seem to think they deserve to earn a fortune for doing unskilled work......

themadchef · 23-05-2009 12:04am

skelliser wrote: »

reminds me of joe duffy last week similar story but this women had kids

I listened to that too.

I can understand why she would see it as working for €55 a week. The system is the problem. Once there is the offer of a job people should be obliged to take it. If it doesnt work out, then back to the drawing board. BUT the should at least try it.

Personally, when i take all my costs into account (childcare for 4 kids, etc) then its quite clear that i would actually be better off (financially) claiming SW. There is no price on sanity though, so i work.

connundrum · 23-05-2009 12:10am

themadchef wrote: »

There is no price on sanity though, so i work.

This is the important point that several people, including close friends, are missing.

You cannot put a value on being productive, interacting with people, learning new skills - in however a low-paid position.

I've worked as a cleaner, shop assistant, security man, barman, waiter... everything that several friends have said is 'below them'. Some of my best work experiences came from the time spent working these jobs.

Magic8 · 23-05-2009 12:17am

If she's getting mortgage supplement or whatever it's called, she'd probably lose that if she was working (as well as her husbanbds dole being cut), so there's a possibility she could lose her house. It's not right to refuse work in favour of the dole, but sometimes your hand is forced.

Gummy Panda · 23-05-2009 12:18am

connundrum wrote: »

This is the important point that several people, including close friends, are missing.

You cannot put a value on being productive, interacting with people, learning new skills - in however a low-paid position.

I've worked as a cleaner, shop assistant, security man, barman, waiter... everything that several friends have said is 'below them'. Some of my best work experiences came from the time spent working these jobs.

This.

Its all life experience. Doesn't have to relate directly to what you hope will be your future role but it gives you interpersonal experience in different environments.

I recently took a week of work for holidays. None of the lads were doing anything but i had to take them or lose them. By the end of the week i was bored beyond belief. I couldn't wait to go back to work. I can't imagine spending everyday with not much disposable income and nothing to do. Not fun.

Better to work and come home tired.

Zzippy · 23-05-2009 12:49am

Overheal wrote: »

Yep something is very wrong with your system if you can make more money unemployed.

The more of this I hear the more I think I might vote republican..

Yeah, cos the Irish welfare system is all Obama's fault... :rolleyes:

Warper · 23-05-2009 12:52am

Senna wrote: »

I hired a member of staff two weeks ago on trial, she was on the dole for the last year and she turned out to be a very good professional worker. So last week i offered her a full-time job and she accepted it, no surprise there, seen there are very few new jobs in the area.
Then today she came into me and said she cant take the job as she worked it out and she is better off on the dole than working a 40 hour week, earning a bit more than minimum wage. To say i was mad was an understatement, first its a disgrace that someone can earn more (or only a bit less, when taking all the other benefits that come with the dole) by laying on their ass all week at the tax payers expense and second that we are allowing this system to continue.

I think i might phone social welfare tomorrow and tell them she has refused a job, i would hope her dole would be stopped, but i doubt they would do feck all.

Just a rant and its not the first time someone has refused work as they wanted to stay on the dole.

Mods feel free to lock thread, probably no need of more dole threads.

Classy guy - dont fault her - she is being realistic - why spend time working for someone that will barely pay you the legal requirement when she can be spending quality time with her family. I know I would do the exact same - what we need is a radical change of the social welfare system - end of.

23-05-2009 1:07am

Dave! wrote: »

I'm entitled to benefit but not claiming it

Well then when you do go down to them be prepared to get a bollocking off them, a ton of extra questions and a have them be very weary of you.

Whether you're living in a cardboard box or sharing with Bill Gates, You sign on straight away.

ak51535 · 23-05-2009 1:12am

ahhh lucky f****r give us her job!!!

Dave! · 23-05-2009 1:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well then when you do go down to them be prepared to get a bollocking off them, a ton of extra questions and a have them be very weary of you.

Whether you're living in a cardboard box or sharing with Bill Gates, You sign on straight away.

I won't be looking for work though

white apples · 23-05-2009 1:14am

[quote=[Deleted User];60366981]I can't stand this mentality of 'oh it's only a bit more than the dole.' So what? Why do people feel so entitled to make rakes of money for a simple shop job? [/quote]

They feel they're entitled to it because if they get paid slightly less for doing nothing, of course they're going to feel like they should get paid more to do some work! If the dole was reduced, then there would be more of an incentive for people to take up these jobs but you can't go bashing people because they don't want to work for a tenner a day or so!!

[quote=[Deleted User];60366981]9.50 is a pretty good hourly wage. I started on 10.50 last year for a job that required a college degree and three languages, for God's sake! Such a sense of entitlement among so many people who seem to think they deserve to earn a fortune for doing unskilled work......[/quote]

That sense of entitlement was bred by this government during the Celtic Tiger years - you can't just backtrack overnight.

There is something seriously wrong when a job that requires a college degree and 3 languages pays less than €2 more than minimum wage.

Clearly something is skewed in the system and we have no hope in creating more jobs until we re-establish our competitiveness in Europe. We're not going to attract any companies to base themselves here if that is the cost and they are not favourable compared to most other countries in the EU, if you start looking to eastern europe than we can just forget it, we've priced ourselves out of the market.

23-05-2009 1:16am

Dave! wrote: »

I won't be looking for work though

What do you plan to live on?

Overheal · 23-05-2009 1:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you plan to live on?

Couch?

Dyr · 23-05-2009 1:17am

That she'd rather be on the scribble says more about the wages you pay than anything else tbh

Overheal · 23-05-2009 1:18am

Zzippy wrote: »

Yeah, cos the Irish welfare system is all Obama's fault... :rolleyes:

Not what im saying at all: but thats what he's trying to do with the healthcare system. And next he wants to reform social security. Just wtf are we going, like.

Dave! · 23-05-2009 1:21am

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you plan to live on?

I have savings! When I start looking for work then I'll sign on

Tigger · 23-05-2009 1:25am

Bambi wrote: »

That she'd rather be on the scribble says more about the wages you pay than anything else tbh

more than min wage should be enough for someone with no job, reason its not is because the dole and welfare is too generous, like all the players of the system whinging on "i lost my christmas dole" well to get that you have to be long term dole and its in 7 months so how do you know you'll have no job

wait i know you don't want an job you want the dole and all that goes with it

2 types of peeps in ireland, those that will work and those that will tell themselves there is no need. the workers can go anywhere if they have to, what will the doleese do when we leave?

Dyr · 23-05-2009 1:28am

Tigger wrote: »

more than min wage should be enough for someone with no job, reason its not is because the dole and welfare is too generous, like all the players of the system whinging on "i lost my christmas dole" well to get that you have to be long term dole and its in 7 months so how do you know you'll have no job wait i know you don't want an job you want the dole and all that goes with it

2 types of peeps in ireland, those that will work and those that will tell themselves there is no need. the workers can go anywhere if they have to, what will the doleese do when we leave?

You'll dislocate your shoulder if you keep patting yourself on the back like that :pac:

Tigger · 23-05-2009 1:30am

dosen't mean i'll go on disabality

Resi12 · 23-05-2009 1:55am

Wait, She was getting offered a 40 hour a week contract on 9.50 an hour..
Which works out to like €380..

How is she better off on 204 a week?

K-9 · 23-05-2009 2:13am

Resi12 wrote: »

Wait, She was getting offered a 40 hour a week contract on 9.50 an hour..
Which works out to like €380..

How is she better off on 204 a week?

Rent Allowance/Mortgage Interest Supplement.

Senna · 23-05-2009 2:22am

Bambi wrote: »

That she'd rather be on the scribble says more about the wages you pay than anything else tbh

Its a service industry job that does not require qualifications, we do look for people with experience. The minimum wage is ridiculously high, but we still pay more that minimum.

Also for the hard of reading. THIS JOB IS IN DONEGAL, 9.50 goes a lot further here than in dub etc, as i said before its probably closer to 12/13e at dub levels.

Resi12 wrote: »

Wait, She was getting offered a 40 hour a week contract on 9.50 an hour..
Which works out to like €380..

How is she better off on 204 a week?

She gets dole of 204 and mortgage sub of probably 100/120e per week.

O'Coonassa · 23-05-2009 9:29am

Senna wrote: »

The minimum wage is ridiculously high

Like Irish companies profit margins.

stovelid · 23-05-2009 9:36am

Your location suits you, OP. Good work.

luckat · 23-05-2009 10:00am

Resi12 wrote: »

Wait, She was getting offered a 40 hour a week contract on 9.50 an hour..
Which works out to like €380..

How is she better off on 204 a week?

How's €380 after tax?

I'd say both Senna and his or her former employee are better off without each other.

Senna because s/he can now employ the eager posters here, who I'm sure have hotfooted it up to Donegal to work for him/her.

The ex-employee because she's no longer working for someone who grasses her up, rather than saying "Let's sit down and have a cup of coffee and go over the figures.")

CiaranC · 23-05-2009 10:05am

Dave! wrote: »

I have savings! When I start looking for work then I'll sign on

You should still sign on and not make a benefit claim.

If you sign on, you get your PRSI stamps, which you may need if necessity means you have to claim the dole down the road.

DeaglanOMurchu · 23-05-2009 10:16am

Wat's d job??
Just curious

Naos · 23-05-2009 10:41am

Bambi wrote: »

That she'd rather be on the scribble says more about the wages you pay than anything else tbh

That she would rather take the dole than work says more about her than anything else, tbh.

Where exactly do you think the money for social welfare payments come from?

If we all took this attitude we'd be f**ked.

MysticalSoul · 23-05-2009 10:56am

Remembers my first job which I only got £94 for a 40 hour week, and that was only 12 years ago.

This women's circumstances are not the OP's responsibility. At the end of the day she is playing the system. Any job has to be worth more than sitting at home all day.

Sqaull20 · 23-05-2009 11:25am

Senna wrote: »

To say i was mad was an understatement, first its a disgrace that someone can earn more (or only a bit less, when taking all the other benefits that come with the dole) by laying on their ass all week at the tax payers expense and second that we are allowing this system to continue.

I think i might phone social welfare tomorrow and tell them she has refused a job, i would hope her dole would be stopped, but i doubt they would do feck all.

Just a rant and its not the first time someone has refused work as they wanted to stay on the dole.

Why do you and others find it weird when someone doesn't want to work a long week for €30? I dont get this attitude! Working for free is not something I would like to do and most service/minimum wage/ factory jobs are ****.Its summer time now!! that girl would have been a little crazy to accept the job :pac:

Wagon · 23-05-2009 12:18pm

Stop being a stingy manager and offer her a bit more money instead of minimum wage. She'll stay then and work for you. Of course, you won't do that...

Edit: Oh look, just noticed! You reported her! Well fair play to you aren't you an honorable member of society! God you sound like a real pain in the ass to work for. Maybe that was her reasons for not taking the job and didn't want to hurt your feelings so said the dole reason instead?

tallaght01 · 23-05-2009 12:34pm

I'd do my current job for minimum wage because I love it.

But there's no way i hell I'd do some service industry job for the same money I'd get on the dole.

Pretty crappy to report her, too.

banshee_bones · 23-05-2009 12:36pm

Wagon wrote: »

Stop being a stingy manager and offer her a bit more money instead of minimum wage. She'll stay then and work for you. Of course, you won't do that...

Edit: Oh look, just noticed! You reported her! Well fair play to you aren't you an honorable member of society! God you sound like a real pain in the ass to work for. Maybe that was her reasons for not taking the job and didn't want to hurt your feelings so said the dole reason instead?

eh WHAT planet do YOU live on?! Last I checked (and ANYONE feel free to correct me here coz i could be wrong) the minimum wage in this country is €8.65

He just said he was paying her €9.50 an hour! I took a job for LESS than that an hour to get off the dole!

high horse · 23-05-2009 12:50pm

Fair play OP for reporting her. Scroungers like that make me mad. For all the bleeding hearts here saying she'd be mad to work for E9.50 per hour, its an UNSKILLED job. Why would it be worth anything more?

O'Coonassa · 23-05-2009 1:04pm

high horse wrote: »

Fair play OP for reporting her. Scroungers like that make me mad. For all the bleeding hearts here saying she'd be mad to work for E9.50 per hour, its an UNSKILLED job. Why would it be worth anything more?

People are saying she'd be mad to work for fiddy extra euros a week. The reason 9.50 is such a crap wage is because Irish businesess rip people off and we pay through the nose for their products and services. It's not just the SW system that's at issue here.

DarkJager · 23-05-2009 1:06pm

I'm sick to death of peoples arrogance when it comes to jobs, especially with the way things are. A job is a job these days, be it Mcdonalds or Brown Thomas, €8.65 per hour or €12.65 per hour - it doesn't matter. Yet some people still see these jobs and pay rates to be "beneath them". The dole is seen as a much comfier proposition than putting in some real work each day. The people with that mindset make me sick.

How about you drop your fantasy expectations of some high flying high paying job coming along and slapping you in the face while you're sitting on your lazy arse? Its obvious the jobs are out there, its just that people still seem to think its pre 2007. I'm more than happy to contribute some of my hard earned pay to taxes when they are being spent well, not supporting the social parasites who think they have some right to live for free off the work of everyone else.

Get off your ass you lazy bastards and look for a job, regardless of what it is. That way, you might get some respect for yourself....or are you expecting that for free as well?

tatabubbly · 23-05-2009 1:16pm

Senna wrote: »

Seriously, PM me, if i can help any boardise.
The jobs in Letterkenny and there will be a few positions over time.

I can take it seriously, pm me, i've been looking everywhere for a job!!!!!

greendom · 23-05-2009 1:29pm

Is she doing anything wrong though ? The job is not paying enough to make it worth her while

MacGyver · 23-05-2009 1:35pm

high horse wrote: »

Fair play OP for reporting her. Scroungers like that make me mad. For all the bleeding hearts here saying she'd be mad to work for E9.50 per hour, its an UNSKILLED job. Why would it be worth anything more?

Damn right! its much easier to get a job when ur working. The least she should have done was to take the job while looking for something higher paid. Ive paid my taxes and would like to see the money to go to people and places that Deserve it, not some lazy biatch that is too far up her own arse to do some work.

Well done to the OP for reporting her.

Naos · 23-05-2009 1:57pm

tatabubbly wrote: »

I can take it seriously, pm me, i've been looking everywhere for a job!!!!!

This guy is saying there is a job available and you want him to pm you?

It's no wonder people bitch about being unable to find a job.

tatabubbly · 23-05-2009 2:04pm

Naos wrote: »

This guy is saying there is a job available and you want him to pm you?

It's no wonder people bitch about being unable to find a job.

Hey, i pm'd him.. and i'm actually trying really really hard to get a job. I've sent out loads of CV's in letterkenny, i've applied for loads jobs via the internet.....

gimme5minutes · 23-05-2009 2:20pm

Senna wrote: »

TOO LATE.

I phoned the local offices today, all they needed was her name and address, she is going to be called to a review meeting asap, but they would not tell me what would happen.

I did look into it further before calling them, she has no kids or dependents and drives a 2006 big car (i didn't see it), i drive a 1996 car! After dole she would have been better off by about €55 a week by taking the job, she told one of the staff this. But she just cant be bothered working 40 extra hours for €55 over sitting on her ass on the dole, its a sh1t SW system, but that does not excuse her.

Also, this is Donegal, were the cost of living is the lowest in the country, so €9.50 could be the equivalent of €12/13 in Dublin, its not a sh1t wage to start on.

You are some sad prick to report her. Its alright for you, presumably making decent money if you are in a position to be hiring and firing. She wasn't committing welfare fraud from what I can she, she just didnt want to kill herself working a crap service job for 50 quid. And I imagine it would work out at even less than that overall as her husband/partner will also have his benefit cut if she took the job.

Tell me this, do you report your friends/family to the cops when they drink and drive? And don't tell me none of them do it, because everyone knows someone who drinks and drives now and again. So would you report a friend/family member for drink driving?

dr.bollocko · 23-05-2009 2:21pm

gimme5minutes wrote: »

You are some sad prick to report her. Its alright for you, presumably making decent money if you are in a position to be hiring and firing. She wasn't committing welfare fraud from what I can she, she just didnt want to kill herself working a crap service job for 50 quid. And I imagine it would work out at even less than that overall as her husband/partner will also have his benefit cut if she took the job.

Tell me this, do you report your friends/family to the cops when they drink and drive? And don't tell me none of them do it, because everyone knows someone who drinks and drives now and again. So would you report a friend/family member for drink driving?

Banned.

Work??? Feck that.

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