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Becoming a Real Runner

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭gerard65


    menoscemo wrote: »
    What are you shooting for yourself?
    No time in mind, just going to run it hard and see what happens. Its difficult to pace, a fast down hill start, slower middle and a fast finish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I have had a stinking bout of the manflu for a few days now which has involved me taking yesterday off work. Despite the continuing temperature and chesty cough I took a lemsip headed out in the lashing rain to meet Brianderunner in phoenix park (We agreed to do the run last saturday while drunk you see :rolleyes:)
    Plan 18 miles w 14 @PMP
    I decided to take a 'we'll see how it goes' attitude.
    2 mile warm up @9:35 (135) I noticed I had a sore chest but we launched into the PMP miles anyway and never looked back. The miles went out as follows:
    8:02 (160), 7:55 (162), 7:51 (157), 7:55 (158), 7:57 (163), 7:57 (161), 7:57 (155), 7:54 (166), 7:55 (165), 7:57 (160), 7:45 (157), 7:55 (152), 8:00 (157), 7:50 (164)
    3 Miles warm Down @ 9:16 (157)

    Summary: 18 Miles @ 8:15 pace (Av HR 156)

    This actually felt really good. It was great to have company for the run. The HR varied a lot as several miles were uphill and into the wind and other miles were the opposite, but we tried to keep up pace on all miles and not run by effort. The legs do not feel bad at all now. Thanks to Brian for the company and for his eyes. Having gone without contacts, I would have definately got knocked down by several cyclists had it not been for him, as we spent the last 7 miles on the cycle lanes on chesterfield in the dark.

    I also learned tonght that: Mini Milky bars do not go down well at PMP, but Cliff Bloks and Caffeinated sports beans certainly do!

    Anyway, back to the lemsip, I hope I am not feeling awful agin tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    Well done - nice pacing. That's all the hardest long runs out of the way now, I presume.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    plodder wrote: »
    Well done - nice pacing. That's all the hardest long runs out of the way now, I presume.

    Yep, that one was the elephant in the room. I should have done it last weekend but couldn't due pacing duties and post race celebrations.
    Next week is a handy 20 miles (though I may throw in a few PMP at the end).

    When's your next race? I'll probably do Rathfarnham 5k on sunday, we should be going at about the same speed now, judging by your recent times. Well done on the HM by the way!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Cheers for the lift back into town, it was always going to happen after you agreed to drive me as far as heuston :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Yep, that one was the elephant in the room. I should have done it last weekend but couldn't due pacing duties and post race celebrations.
    Next week is a handy 20 miles (though I may throw in a few PMP at the end).

    When's your next race? I'll probably do Rathfarnham 5k on sunday, we should be going at about the same speed now, judging by your recent times. Well done on the HM by the way!
    Thanks. I'm doing last week's running this week. So, I have that big PMP run this Sunday. I'm not looking forward to it. Not sure if I'll run any more races. If I do one, it'll be the BHAA XC on Oct 9.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    plodder wrote: »
    Thanks. I'm doing last week's running this week. So, I have that big PMP run this Sunday. I'm not looking forward to it. Not sure if I'll run any more races. If I do one, it'll be the BHAA XC on Oct 9.

    Nah, you'll be fine!
    Think of it this way- you ran 13.2 miles last saturday sub 7:20, so how hard can it be to run 14 @ sub 8:00 pace?
    The worst thing is the thought of doing it. I have to be honest, the hardest part tonight was the 2 mile cooldown, I just wanted to go home at that stage :p. It might be best to do a 4 mile warm up and end staright after the PMP.

    I alsofound being able to practise race day nutrition invaluable tonight. What you can eat during a slow LSR is not the same as what goes down well at PMP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    I also learned tonght that: Mini Milky bars do not go down well at PMP, but Cliff Bloks and Caffeinated sports beans certainly do!

    Heard someone else say they found the sports beans great, where can u buy them in Dublin, wouldn't mind giving them a go on the last couple of LSR's.

    Great running last night, I had a few sniffles, saw the rain and gave myself a pass, felt even worse at the thought of the more dedicated flying around the park like the clappers after reading your log!! Thanks for that:o

    *Note to self- Stop making f***ing excuses


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    sideswipe wrote: »
    Heard someone else say they found the sports beans great, where can u buy them in Dublin, wouldn't mind giving them a go on the last couple of LSR's.

    I picked them up at Irish Fit when i was buying my compression shorts.

    Cold seems to have disappeared overnight. Seems like I ran it off in the rain. legs feel fine. I may attempt another run this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    menoscemo wrote: »
    What you can eat during a slow LSR is not the same as what goes down well at PMP.
    Very true. I plan to test this out on Sunday as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    sideswipe wrote: »
    Heard someone else say they found the sports beans great, where can u buy them in Dublin, wouldn't mind giving them a go on the last couple of LSR's.
    Bike shops tend to have them - as far as I remember I got a packet in Cycleways before, and I think Hollingsworth in Templeogue has them too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    11 miles @ 8:47 pace
    Legs felt fine tonight but the body was in bits. Probably due to the double mcdonalds meal I had for lunch :p. I had a stitch for the first 2 miles straight despite going at 9+ mile pace. I managed to pick up a bit towards the end. Nose is still blocked up and a chesty cough, hope it clears up for sunday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭gerard65


    What are you doing training with a chest infection? Your a plonker! What are ye?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    I was going to say the same gerard. I know he won't listen to me though. Even I wouldn't train with a chest infection especially with all the work he's put in this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    gerard65 wrote: »
    What are you doing training with a chest infection? Your a plonker! What are ye?

    A Plonker!!

    No seriously, I definately don't have a chest infection, I'm not that stupid! Just a head cold that goes down as far as the throat. I know I said chesty cough but it is definately coming more from the throat ( I just call every cough a chesty cough). Feel much better these last few days anyway, just a bit of congestion left.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    menoscemo wrote: »
    A Plonker!!

    No seriously, I definately don't have a chest infection, I'm not that stupid! Just a head cold that goes down as far as the throat. I know I said chesty cough but it is definately coming more from the throat ( I just call every cough a chesty cough). Feel much better these last few days anyway, just a bit of congestion left.....

    I think Medbhs craziness in training during anything or as soon as possible is starting to rub off on all the ARTists.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Why do I always get dragged into these things? :pac: I'm very sensible! :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Folks, be cool, be cool, I know what I am doing :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Folks, be cool, be cool, I know what I am doing :cool:

    Hmm...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    I with xebec. Would you ever go and get rid of the cold. You're going to make yourself worse if you don't. Remember what your main target is.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    chinguetti wrote: »
    I with xebec. Would you ever go and get rid of the cold. You're going to make yourself worse if you don't. Remember what your main target is.

    Jesus lads, I feel like I have 10 mammies on here nagging me:p

    I can reassure you all my cold is all but gone and I'll be back to 100% in a few days. I have had colds before and realise when I am getting better ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    chinguetti wrote: »
    I with xebec. Would you ever go and get rid of the cold. You're going to make yourself worse if you don't. Remember what your main target is.

    I'd be more worried about the groin, but he won't listen to the multitudes on that one either :rolleyes: Ah well, I'm sure you'll set a nice 5k PB on Sunday, just really hope it doesn't affect the big one!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    xebec wrote: »
    I'd be more worried about the groin, but he won't listen to the multitudes on that one either :rolleyes: Ah well, I'm sure you'll set a nice 5k PB on Sunday, just really hope it doesn't affect the big one!

    Groin is feeling 100% at the moment, I have had 4 visits to the physio over the past 3 weeks and been doing strenghtening excercises in the evenings for the past fortnight.
    I haven't preregistered so I'll go and do half a mile tomorrow at race pace to make sure all is OK. I'll also wear compression shorts on the day and do a good warm up with strides included.
    If I feel anything at all during the race, I assure you I will pull up and jog the rest of the course.
    My fast mile on tuesday and 14 @PMP yesterday suggests that everything should be ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    Fair enough, sounds like a good plan...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Just a quick leg loosener/test run ahead of tomorrow.
    3 miles along the canal @7:30 pace average, including just over half a mile @ 6:17/mile pace.

    Felt great tonight and the legs felt really fresh. I wore my Lunar Racers as I intend to give them their race debut tomorrow, but I didn't wear the compression shorts as I wanted to properly test the groin. I concentrated on relaxed shoulders and long loose stride on the fast bit, now just to repeat that x 6 tomorrow :o

    Cold also clearing up, all the congestion has retreated to the nose area and I got a nasal spray this morning which seesm to have cleared the airwaves. Looking forward to tomorrow now, almost more nervous about this one than the Marathon. I love 5ks :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Cold also clearing up, all the congestion has retreated to the nose area and I got a nasal spray this morning which seesm to have cleared the airwaves. Looking forward to tomorrow now, almost more nervous about this one than the Marathon. I love 5ks :pac:
    Good luck tomorrow! Haven't decided whether or not I'm going to race tomorrow - will make a call on the morning depending on how the legs have recovered from yesterday's 18-miler.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭W.B. Yeats


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Just a quick leg loosener/test run ahead of tomorrow.
    3 miles along the canal @7:30 pace average, including just over half a mile @ 6:17/mile pace.

    Felt great tonight and the legs felt really fresh. I wore my Lunar Racers as I intend to give them their race debut tomorrow, but I didn't wear the compression shorts as I wanted to properly test the groin. I concentrated on relaxed shoulders and long loose stride on the fast bit, now just to repeat that x 6 tomorrow :o

    Cold also clearing up, all the congestion has retreated to the nose area and I got a nasal spray this morning which seesm to have cleared the airwaves. Looking forward to tomorrow now, almost more nervous about this one than the Marathon. I love 5ks :pac:

    Didn't realise you were doing this until I saw your post on the event thread- now I see this I hope you realise I was only kidding about pacing a 22min 5km ;)
    Good luck-
    I'm wondering about adopting a "Declan Moffit" approach


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    W.B. Yeats wrote: »
    Didn't realise you were doing this until I saw your post on the event thread- now I see this I hope you realise I was only kidding about pacing a 22min 5km ;)
    Yeah of course ;)
    W.B. Yeats wrote: »
    Good luck-
    I'm wondering about adopting a "Declan Moffit" approach

    Just googled Declan Moffit there! Cheers for that, very funny :D I certainly adopted the Declan Moffit approach last year, clearing the first km in about 3:50 even though I was only targetting sub 22 minutes (like yourself).
    Tis a bit hard not to use the Declan Moffit method with the big downhill start, but if you're running alongside Martin Fagan after 500m, you are probably going a little too fast :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Just a quick leg loosener/test run ahead of tomorrow.
    3 miles along the canal @7:30 pace average, including just over half a mile @ 6:17/mile pace.

    Felt great tonight and the legs felt really fresh. I wore my Lunar Racers as I intend to give them their race debut tomorrow, but I didn't wear the compression shorts as I wanted to properly test the groin. I concentrated on relaxed shoulders and long loose stride on the fast bit, now just to repeat that x 6 tomorrow :o

    Thats a fast run to be doing the day before a big(ish) race, i hope you havent left sub 20 on the canal today. Anyway best of luck tomorrow, i'm predicting something in the 19:40's for you. I'll be out on the bike to crack the metaphorical whip along by bushy park.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Congrats today. I should be charging you for this ;)

    Rathfarnham5k.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Thanks Brian for letting the cat out of the bag ;) I had planned on coming on here and telling all the naysayers I had a disaster and Injured myself and managed to cover all the bases after the race except yourself :p

    Met Aimman at regsitration and we had a nice warm up. Got to the start line with about 10 minutes to go and realised I was overdressed as the sun was now slitting the trees- it had been pretty cold in the morning. I was chatting away to Gerard65 near the startline when the gun went off and took us by surprise mid conversation. Gerard shot off through the slow coaches in front of us :mad: and I got stuck behind them for a bout 10 seconds before I found a gap (I heard some of them screaming as they were nearly trampled over and pushed about :rolleyes:).
    After 1/4 mile I saw sub 6 pace so decided to settle down and take it easy. I had planned on tracking gerard but he was long gone. I Went through the 1st km (majorly downhill) in 3:40 and the first mile on the garmin bleeped at 6:08. Very comfortable here but well on target. I knew the next mile would be the one to HTFU on. I had a group about 40m in front of me (including Maria McCmabride's sister) who looked like they were chasing sub 20 so decided to keep the gap on them. I actually managed to close it slightly but when I went through 3k in 11:50 so I had lost 10 seconds back. I pushed on to finish the second mile in 6:33. I was a little worried about losing it here and upped the pace.
    We finally turned back down the hill at 3.5km and I passed 4k in 15:45 and knew I was good. I had closed the gap on the group at this stage and passed them around the 1k marker. There was a lot of panting and puffing from them just behind so i knew they were working harder than me. I just had to keep them behind me and I'd be fine. My garmin bleeped mile 3 showing 6:20. there was now 200m to go. I could see the shadows of the group behind creeping up on me and the huffing and puffing got louder so I upped the pace to keep them off. I Managed a 'Aeroplane' arms with thumbs up to a photographer as I crossed the finish line.

    19:46 by my watch. I probably had another 20 seconds in me today, but was happy to go sub 20 and I'll leave the heroics for another day!

    My Garmin actually measured the course at 5:04km (just like last year).

    So 3.13 miles in 19:46 Splits: Mile 1 6:08 (165:eek:), 6:33 (176), 6:20 (177) the last .13 @ 5:45 (180)
    Avg 6:19 pace (hr173) Last year my av HR was 178.

    Warmdown for a mile
    6 miles total for the day. I Met Raycun, Aimmam, WB Yeats, Tunguska (for the first time happy with his performance!!) back at the Sportshall over a cup of coffee as we watched the video of the reaply of the race. I have to say I felt like I was running a lot faster than it shows on the video :pac: I also had chat with Martin Fagan (facebook friend don't you know :P). He seesm a lovely chap- he broke the course record today.


    Weekly total: 50.3 miles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Savage running, well done :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Forgot to say, well done to Gerard65 for a PB off little training. Amazing. I though I could follow you today but no chance!
    Easy training is obviously working for you - ditch all those daniels formulas :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    Well done, fantastic time! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭gerard65


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Forgot to say, well done to Gerard65 for a PB off little training. Amazing. I though I could follow you today but no chance!
    Easy training is obviously working for you - ditch all those daniels formulas :pac:
    Thanks, and well done on blasting that sub 20. My training is now the same type as two years ago so it works for me:) Its actually not 'easy' just not alot of it.;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Thanks Brian for letting the cat out of the bag ;)

    You are more than welcome :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    Fair play boss! And you always seem to be around that McCambridge girl, wanna be careful or people will start talking :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    xebec wrote: »
    Fair play boss! And you always seem to be around that McCambridge girl, wanna be careful or people will start talking :P

    Exactly!! She seems to be always in my range more or less, she just pipped my at sportsworld and I pipped her in the Donore 5k. When I saw her just in front of me after 1k I knew she would be a good target.

    I was actually telling her about our rivalry after the race (I Knew her by first name and she didn't know me from Adam :pac:) Stalkerish Much?
    She hadn't even noticed I had passed her today :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    About bloody time :D
    You've had that in you now for the last couple of months. Congrats well deserved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭W.B. Yeats


    Well done
    Impressive running for somebody with a dodgy groin!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭kennyb3


    Good man Meno. Good to get that sub 20 out of the way. seen you talking to Ger before the start - im not much of a talker before races tho - nerves. But was looking out for you after but didnt see you. That will deffo give you more confidence for the marathon, you ve both the pace and stamina


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Well done on the PB Meno. Shows that your training is going well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭plodder


    Is that photo near the finish? You look sickeningly at ease if it is ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭Aimman


    Well done on the PB again. I didnt realise till I seen the photo, you had the same number today that I used for the whole Adidas series this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    plodder wrote: »
    Is that photo near the finish? You look sickeningly at ease if it is ...

    I am pretty sure the photo is after the line as I'm easing up and the Guy with the clipboard below the clock is at 'the line'. There wasn't actually a line on the road, so I wasn't sure where to stop my watch.

    Yes it felt easy but despite that my no breakfast strategy paid off. I am pretty sure If I had eaten anything it would have come back up, luckliy my stomach was empty ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭RAL3


    Great run Meno, well done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭pgmcpq


    Hey congratulations - you got the sub 20 - and then some ! Great effort -and it sounds like you managed it with comfort. I'm jealous !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    Nice improvement and sub 20 - congrats sir!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    7 miles recovery Pace 8:50 Av HR 139
    I bumped into a pal who is also one of the spar Spartans in my first mile tonight in Tymon Park. He was supposed to be on a recovery run too but was flying around (he has similar times to myself). I managed to convice him to slow down, though this was still faster than I planned. He was telling me his coach has him doing 10 x 1 mile a week repeats twice a week as part of his marathon training Programme :eek::confused:

    Right calf a little tight. I'll stretch and roll it later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Plan 10 Miles w 4 x 1200m @ 5k pace.

    With 400m recoveries the intervals were only ever going to take up 4 miles so I ws wondering how to make up the 10 miles. I decided to do a warm up loop around UCD including the dreaded climb up roebuck Rd (it is not half as bad as I remember it from lst year. It barely lasts 1/4 of a mile).

    I tried to keep up a good pace on my 1200m intervals. Sundays 5k time would have me doing them in around about 4 min 45seconds, I wasn't quite able for a repeat of those times only two days after the race but I came close enough and have to be happy with the consistency:
    4:54 (165), 4:54 (171), 4:52 (172) 4:54 (172). Average pace for the intervals approx 6:30/mile.

    By the end of the intervals my legs were pretty tired and the lunar racers were not giving much support. After running around in circles trying to make up the 10 miles I called it a day a little early:

    Total:
    9.2 miles @ 8:05 Av pace, 153 Av HR

    Nice to be able to get back to the programme and the VO2 max sessions.


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