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    #92
    Hanalei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Hanalei


    Position|(last week)|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|KILKENNY|89.82
    2nd |(2)|CLARE|89.13
    3rd |(3)|GALWAY|88.00
    4th |(4)|DUBLIN|87.07
    5th |(5)|TIPPERARY|86.88
    6th |(6)|CORK|85.77
    7th |(7)|WATERFORD|83.73
    8th |(8)|LIMERICK|82.57
    9th |(9)|WEXFORD|77.86
    10th |(10)|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|LAOIS|73.47
    12th |(12)|ANTRIM|71.33
    13th |(13)|KERRY|67.61
    14th |(14)|CARLOW|65.44
    15th |(15)|WESTMEATH|61.87
    16th |(16)|DOWN|60.90
    17th |(17)|DERRY|60.64
    18th |(18)|WICKLOW|59.11
    19th |(19)|LONDON|59.09
    20th |(20)|MEATH|57.44
    21st |(21)|KILDARE|56.31
    22nd |(22)|MAYO|51.87
    23rd |(25)+|DONEGAL|48.40
    24th |(23)-|ARMAGH|47.72
    25th |(24)-|FINGAL|45.42
    26th |(26)|ROSCOMMON|44.68
    27th |(27)|TYRONE|40.73
    28th |(28)|LOUTH|38.53
    29th |(29)|FERMANAGH|38.44
    30th |(30)|MONAGHAN|37.15
    31st |(31)|WARWICKSHIRE|33.32
    32nd |(32)|LONGFORD|32.82
    33rd |(33)|SLIGO|29.91
    34th |(34)|LEITRIM|28.75


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    #93
    Hanalei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Hanalei


    Victory for Galway in this weekends semi finals will see them move in to the top two, and Kilkenny move out of the top three- they have always been 1st or 2nd from day one way back since 2005.

    Like Kilkenny, defeat for Clare will see them too move out of the top two and see Tipperary move in to the top three. A margin of defeat greater than 8 points for Tipp would see them move a place below Cork.

    Taking the points gap as a translation of the margin of victory, the rankings at present predict a 2 point win for Kilkenny over Galway and 2 point win for Clare over Tipperary; results which would put a bit of breathing space between Kilkenny and Clare, and the chasing pack of Galway, Dublin, Tipperary and Cork.

    Both Waterford and Limerick have dropped away slightly from the chasing pack as the league has progressed.

    The points margins at the top are so tight, that the winner of the NHL will be guaranteed to head in to the championship as the number 1 ranked team.


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    #94
    Hanalei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Hanalei


    Position|(last week)|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|KILKENNY|90.64
    2nd |(5)+|TIPPERARY|88.10
    3rd |(2)-|CLARE|87.91
    4th |(3)-|GALWAY|87.18
    5th |(4)-|DUBLIN|87.07
    6th |(6)|CORK|85.77
    7th |(7)|WATERFORD|83.73
    8th |(8)|LIMERICK|82.57
    9th |(9)|WEXFORD|77.86
    10th |(10)|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|LAOIS|73.47
    12th |(12)|ANTRIM|71.33
    13th |(13)|KERRY|67.61
    14th |(14)|CARLOW|65.44
    15th |(15)|WESTMEATH|61.87
    16th |(16)|DOWN|60.90
    17th |(17)|DERRY|60.64
    18th |(18)|WICKLOW|59.11
    19th |(19)|LONDON|59.09
    20th |(20)|MEATH|57.44
    21st |(21)|KILDARE|56.31
    22nd |(22)|MAYO|51.87
    23rd |(23)|DONEGAL|48.40
    24th |(24)|ARMAGH|47.72
    25th |(25)|FINGAL|45.42
    26th |(26)|ROSCOMMON|44.68
    27th |(27)|TYRONE|40.73
    28th |(28)|LOUTH|38.53
    29th |(29)|FERMANAGH|38.44
    30th |(30)|MONAGHAN|37.15
    31st |(31)|WARWICKSHIRE|33.32
    32nd |(32)|LONGFORD|32.82
    33rd |(33)|SLIGO|29.91
    34th |(34)|LEITRIM|28.75


    • Tipperary's victory over Clare sees them rise from 5th place up to 2nd.
    • Defeat in the final will see Tipperary move down to third, defeat by an 8 point margin would see them return to 5th.
    • Provided they avoid defeat by an 8+ point margin, Kilkenny will enter the championship in the number 1 spot. A big win for Tipp would see them claim top spot.


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    #95
    Hanalei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Hanalei


    Position|(last week)|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|KILKENNY|90.64
    2nd |(2)|TIPPERARY|88.10
    3rd |(3)|CLARE|87.87
    4th |(4)|GALWAY|87.17
    5th |(5)|DUBLIN|87.07
    6th |(6)|CORK|85.77
    7th |(7)|WATERFORD|83.72
    8th |(8)|LIMERICK|82.57
    9th |(9)|WEXFORD|77.86
    10th |(10)|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|LAOIS|73.47
    12th |(12)|ANTRIM|71.33
    13th |(13)|KERRY|67.61
    14th |(14)|CARLOW|65.11
    15th |(15)|WESTMEATH|61.87
    16th |(16)|DOWN|60.90
    17th |(17)|DERRY|60.64
    18th |(19)+|LONDON|59.42
    19th |(18)-|WICKLOW|59.11
    20th |(20)|MEATH|57.44
    21st |(21)|KILDARE|56.31
    22nd |(22)|MAYO|51.87
    23rd |(24)+|ARMAGH|47.72
    24th |(23)-|DONEGAL|47.33
    25th |(26)+|ROSCOMMON|45.75
    26th |(25)-|FINGAL|45.42
    27th |(27)|TYRONE|40.73
    28th |(28)|LOUTH|38.53
    29th |(29)|FERMANAGH|38.44
    30th |(30)|MONAGHAN|37.15
    31st |(31)|WARWICKSHIRE|33.32
    32nd |(32)|LONGFORD|32.82
    33rd |(33)|SLIGO|29.91
    34th |(34)|LEITRIM|28.75


    • London's draw against superior ranked Carlow earned them enough points to move up a place.
    • Roscommon's victory over Donegal resulted in the Roscommon moving up a place and Donegal moving down a spot.
    • Antrim's victory over Westmeath had no effect on the ranking points.


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    #96
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    It appears that Hanalei has closed up shop, which is an awful shame as he had put a lot of work into this thread as well as into other topics.

    If anyone is willing to continue his work on the hurling rankings, l can share an Excel template which makes the calculations of future rankings very easy.


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    #97
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Hanalei has contacted me from the after-life and has asked me to post his updated rankings and commentary, which I'm more than happy to do.

    So........

    *Week ending May 4th 2014*
    Position|(last week)|Team|Rating Point
    *1st *|(1)|KILKENNY|91.69
    *2nd *|(3)*+*|CLARE|87.87
    *3rd* |(4)*+*|GALWAY|87.17
    *4th* |(5)*+*|DUBLIN|87.07
    *5th* |(2)*-*|TIPPERARY|87.05
    *6th *|(6)|CORK|85.77
    *7th* |(7)|WATERFORD|83.72
    *8th* |(8)|LIMERICK|82.57
    *9th* |(9)|WEXFORD|77.86
    *10th *|(10)|OFFALY|75.19
    *11th* |(11)|LAOIS|73.61
    *12th* |(12)|ANTRIM|72.01
    *13th* |(13)|KERRY|67.61
    *14th* |(14)|CARLOW|64.43
    *15th *|(15)|WESTMEATH|61.87
    *16th* |(17)*+*|DERRY|60.64
    *17th* |(16)*-*|DOWN|59.85
    *18th* |(18)|LONDON|59.42
    *19th* |(19)|WICKLOW|59.13
    *20th *|(20)|MEATH|58.49
    *21st* |(21)|KILDARE|56.29
    *22nd* |(22)|MAYO|52.16
    *23rd* |(23)|ARMAGH|47.43
    *24th* |(24)|DONEGAL|47.33
    *25th* |(25)|ROSCOMMON|46.41
    *26th* |(26)|FINGAL|45.43
    *27th* |(27)|TYRONE|40.73
    *28th* |(29)*+*|FERMANAGH|39.23
    *29th* |(28)*-*|LOUTH|38.52
    *30th* |(30)|MONAGHAN|36.49
    *31st* |(32)*+*|LONGFORD|33.71
    *32nd* |(31)*-*|WARWICKSHIRE|32.54
    *33rd* |(33)|SLIGO|29.91
    *34th* |(34)|LEITRIM|27.86

    The only remarkable thing about last weekends was Tipperary's defeat somewhat harshly costing them three positions and dropping them from 2nd to 5th. As it was in Semple, I gave Tipp the home advantage points, so that made it a game Tipp were "expected" to win. Had I treated it as a neutral venue they would only have moved to third with Clare moving back to second. Again though, the points difference from 2nd to 5th is minimal


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    #98
    bren2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,059 ✭✭✭bren2001


    laoisman11 wrote: »
    The only remarkable thing about last weekends was Tipperary's defeat somewhat harshly costing them three positions and dropping them from 2nd to 5th. As it was in Semple, I gave Tipp the home advantage points, so that made it a game Tipp were "expected" to win. Had I treated it as a neutral venue they would only have moved to third with Clare moving back to second. Again though, the points difference from 2nd to 5th is minimal

    I don't know if it was you or Hanalei but the game was in a neutral venue. I think we should let the GAA decide whether it is home or away. The fact that Tipp also play their home games in Semple should be irrelevant. Stuff like this will make it very hard for Tipp to reach the top since most of their championship games will be there.


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    #99
    Martin567
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Martin567


    bren2001 wrote: »
    I don't know if it was you or Hanalei but the game was in a neutral venue. I think we should let the GAA decide whether it is home or away. The fact that Tipp also play their home games in Semple should be irrelevant. Stuff like this will make it very hard for Tipp to reach the top since most of their championship games will be there.

    If the same teams meet in the final again next year, it will be held in Nowlan Park. As this is the very definition of a home & away agreement, I don't know how anyone can claim that the venues are neutral.


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    #100
    bren2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,059 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Martin567 wrote: »
    If the same teams meet in the final again next year, it will be held in Nowlan Park. As this is the very definition of a home & away agreement, I don't know how anyone can claim that the venues are neutral.

    Could have sworn it was on in Semple every year. Don't know where I got that notion. (in fairness more often than not it is). In which case, disregard what I said.


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    #101
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users Posts: 10,826 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    bren2001 wrote: »
    Could have sworn it was on in Semple every year. Don't know where I got that notion. (in fairness more often than not it is). In which case, disregard what I said.

    A few years ago the President of the GAA suggested that every year, regardless of who's in the final, the League final should be in Thurles. It was a stupid idea, I think, but the idea that the final SHOULD always be in Thurles is out there. But in the case of KK V Tipp it's a home and away agreement.


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    #102
    Grats
    Registered Users Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭Grats


    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    A few years ago the President of the GAA suggested that every year, regardless of who's in the final, the League final should be in Thurles. It was a stupid idea, I think, but the idea that the final SHOULD always be in Thurles is out there. But in the case of KK V Tipp it's a home and away agreement.

    I agree with the above. I also think that any knock out match in the championship, hurling or football, should be in neutral venues. There is too much at stake in those games and no team should have an advantage.


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    #103
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    The latest from Hanalei below

    ********************

    *** week ending MAY 11th 2014 ***
    Position|(last week)|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|KILKENNY|91.69
    2nd |(2)|CLARE|87.87
    3rd |(3)|GALWAY|87.17
    4th |(4)|DUBLIN|87.07
    5th |(5)|TIPPERARY|87.05
    6th |(6)|CORK|85.77
    7th |(7)|WATERFORD|83.72
    8th |(8)|LIMERICK|82.57
    9th |(9)|WEXFORD|77.86
    10th |(10)|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|LAOIS|73.61
    12th |(12)|ANTRIM|72.01
    13th |(13)|KERRY|67.61
    14th |(14)|CARLOW|64.43
    15th |(15)|WESTMEATH|61.73
    16th |(16)|DERRY|61.26
    17th |(18)+|LONDON|59.42
    18th |(17)-|DOWN|59.23
    19th |(20)+|MEATH|59.16
    20th |(21)+|KILDARE|57.87
    21st |(19)-|WICKLOW|57.55
    22nd |(22)|MAYO|51.49
    23rd |(23)|ARMAGH|47.43
    24th |(24)|DONEGAL|47.33
    25th |(25)|ROSCOMMON|46.41
    26th |(26)|FINGAL|45.43
    27th |(27)|TYRONE|40.73
    28th |(28)|FERMANAGH|39.23
    29th |(29)|LOUTH|38.52
    30th |(30)|MONAGHAN|36.49
    31st |(32)|LONGFORD|34.58
    32nd |(31)|WARWICKSHIRE|31.66
    33rd |(33)|SLIGO|29.91
    34th |(34)|LEITRIM|27.86



    An unremarkable week unless you have an interest in Christy Ring Cup hurling.
    Derry have consolidated their ranking as Ulster's number 2 team with their victory over Down whose defeat to the former sees them drop down a place to the benefit of London.
    Wicklow's home defeat to Kildare sees them fall two places while Meath and Kildare's victories see them both move up one place.
    The rankings suggest that anything other than Kerry winning the Christy Ring cup would be an upset.

    * On last weeks rankings, and the Semple Stadium home or neutral question; I understand the debate that arises from this. There are similarities to the is Croke Park home venue for Dublin debate, but unlike Dublin with Croke Park, Semple Stadium is Tipperary's official home venue. And they do have a home / away agreement with Kilkenny (and as far as I'm aware a few more counties). I understand this won't change the minds of some who see it as a neutral venue, but making a ranking system is almost like being a politician; to quote Abraham Lincoln; "You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time."

    --zombie Hanalei--


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    #104
    feargale
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Sorry to see that Hanalei has departed.


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    #105
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Latest from the Zombie...........



    Week ending May 18th 2014
    Position|(last week)|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|KILKENNY|91.69
    2nd |(2)|CLARE|87.87
    3rd |(3)|GALWAY|87.17
    4th |(4)|DUBLIN|87.07
    5th |(5)|TIPPERARY|87.05
    6th |(6)|CORK|85.77
    7th |(7)|WATERFORD|83.72
    8th |(8)|LIMERICK|82.57
    9th |(9)|WEXFORD|77.86
    10th |(10)|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|LAOIS|73.61
    12th |(12)|ANTRIM|72.01
    13th |(13)|KERRY|68.10
    14th |(14)|CARLOW|64.86
    15th |(15)|WESTMEATH|61.30
    16th |(16)|DERRY|61.26
    17th |(17)|LONDON|59.42
    18th |(18)|DOWN|59.23
    19th |(19)|MEATH|59.16
    20th |(21)+|WICKLOW|57.84
    21st |(20)-|KILDARE|57.38
    22nd |(22)|MAYO|51.49
    23rd |(24)+|DONEGAL|47.96
    24th |(23)-|ARMAGH|47.14
    25th |(25)|ROSCOMMON|46.41
    26th |(26)|FINGAL|45.43
    27th |(27)|TYRONE|40.73
    28th |(28)|FERMANAGH|39.07
    29th |(29)|LOUTH|37.89
    30th |(30)|MONAGHAN|36.49
    31st |(32)|LONGFORD|34.74
    32nd |(31)|WARWICKSHIRE|32.58
    33rd |(33)|SLIGO|29.91
    34th |(34)|LEITRIM|26.94


    *Wicklow and Kildare swap places as do Donegal and Armagh, Armagh losing their position as Ulsters fourth best team for the first time.

    Lets use the rankings to preview this weekends games. All predictions and points margins made based on points difference between the rankings (with three points added to home team)

    Weekend McCarthy Cup preview
    Munster SHC
    Waterford (7) --v-- (6) Cork (Semple Stadium, Thurles)
    Only one position between the two but form would suggest that Limerick and Waterford have spent the last six months drifting out of the top 8 and now find themselves chasing the top 6, a win for Waterford would see them swap places with Cork, while a win for Cork would cast Waterford and Limerick further adrift of the top 6 in points.
    Predicted result; Cork by 2 points.

    Leinster Qualifier Group
    Laois (11) --v-- (12) Antrim (O'Moore Park, Portlaoise)
    Results last weekend guaranteed both teams a place in the Leinster championship proper. No disrespect meant to Wexford but the prize for the winner of this clash is an "easier" Leinster quarter final clash with Wexford while the defeated team faces what should be a stiffer test in Galway. Laois have been the more impressive of the two so far this year and with the added benefit of home advantage I would back them to come through here and book a date with Wexford (which would be a good test of just exactly how much Laois have improved this year)
    Predicted result; Laois by 5 points.

    Westmeath (15) --v-- (17) London (Cusack Park, Mullingar)
    Both teams have endured difficult seasons and both are left fighting it out to preserve their McCarthy Cup status for next year. The team who loses will be automatically relegated to the Christy Ring Cup, a draw would help London avoud automatic relegation but would see them having to play off against the Ring Cup champions for a place in next seasons McCarthy Cup. A victory for London would see them secure McCarthy status with Carlow dropping down to the play off spot. A must win game for Westmeath, only a win sees them avoid automatic relegation although they would still be faced with a play off. The ranking system points to a victory for the Lake County here however.
    Predicted result; Westmeath by 5 points.

    --zombie Hanalei--


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    #106
    Nash Bridges
    Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Nash Bridges


    Keep the updates coming please Hanalei/Laoisman11. I find this stuff fascinating.

    Should get interesting from this weekend on again too.


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    #107
    Kerrydude1981
    Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Would also like to see this been continued,been keeping an eye on it,our lads are closing in on Antrim.


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    #108
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Latest from Hanalei's ghost below........

    Week ending May 25th 2014
    Position|(last week)|change|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|=|KILKENNY|91.69
    2nd |(2)|=|CLARE|87.87
    3rd |(3)|=|GALWAY|87.17
    4th |(4)|=|DUBLIN|87.07
    5th |(5)|=|TIPPERARY|87.05
    6th |(6)|=|CORK|85.57
    7th |(7)|=|WATERFORD|83.92
    8th |(8)|=|LIMERICK|82.57
    9th |(9)|=|WEXFORD|77.86
    10th |(10)|=|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(12)|+1|ANTRIM|73.47
    12th |(11)|-1|LAOIS|72.15
    13th |(13)|=|KERRY|68.10
    14th |(14)|=|CARLOW|64.86
    15th |(15)|=|WESTMEATH|61.81
    16th |(21)|+5|KILDARE|59.91
    17th |(18)|-1|DOWN|59.23
    18th |(19)|+1|MEATH|59.16
    19th |(17)|-2|LONDON|58.91
    20th |(16)|-4|DERRY|58.73
    21st |(20)|-1|WICKLOW|55.91
    22nd |(22)|=|MAYO|53.42
    23rd |(24)|+1|ARMAGH|47.14
    24th |(26)|+2|FINGAL|46.98
    25th |(23)|-2|DONEGAL|46.41
    26th |(25)|-1|ROSCOMMON|43.61
    27th |(27)|=|TYRONE|43.53
    28th |(28)|=|FERMANAGH|39.07
    29th |(29)|=|LOUTH|37.89
    30th |(30)|=|MONAGHAN|36.83
    31st |(31)|=|LONGFORD|34.74
    32nd |(32)|=|WARWICKSHIRE|32.58
    33rd |(33)|=|SLIGO|29.57
    34th |(34)|=|LEITRIM|26.94


    *Waterford and Cork's draw had little effect, a 0.2 points exchange from Cork to Waterford. Antrim's victory in Portlaoise sees them and Laois swap places, but more importantly earns them a less tricky tie with Wexford while Laois must now face Galway, although if last year was anything to go by Laois will have no fear of Galway. Westmeath's victory consolidates 15th place while London drop two places to 19th although they will be more upset by the fact they have been automatically relegated back to the Ring cup.

    * Two away victories in the Ring cup. Mayo's win at Arklow sees Wicklow drop from 20th to 21st while Kildare's big win against Derry sees them exchange 2.53 points, resulting in big moves for both sides, Kildare rising 5 places to 16th and Derry falling 4 places to 20th.

    * Two big upsets in the Rackard cup where favourites and expected finalists Roscommon and Donegal both fell at the semi final hurdle despite having home advantage. Both lose places to the benefit of Fingal who move up two to 24th.


    *** zombie Hanalei ***


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    #109
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Latest from Hanalei below.........

    Week ending June 1st 2014
    Position|(last week)|change|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|=|KILKENNY|91.69
    2nd |(2)|=|CLARE|87.87
    3rd |(3)|=|GALWAY|87.17
    4th |(4)|=|DUBLIN|87.07
    5th |(6)|+1|CORK|85.57
    6th |(5)|-1|TIPPERARY|85.30
    7th |(8)|+1|LIMERICK|84.32
    8th |(7)|-1|WATERFORD|83.92
    9th |(9)|=|WEXFORD|78.70
    10th |(10)|=|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|=|ANTRIM|72.63
    12th |(12)|=|LAOIS|72.15
    13th |(13)|=|KERRY|68.10
    14th |(14)|=|CARLOW|64.86
    15th |(15)|=|WESTMEATH|61.81
    16th |(16)|=|KILDARE|61.75
    17th |(17)|=|DOWN|59.23
    18th |(19)|+1|LONDON|58.91
    19th |(20)|+1|DERRY|58.73
    20th |(18)|-2|MEATH|57.32
    21st |(21)|=|WICKLOW|55.91
    22nd |(22)|=|MAYO|53.42
    23rd |(23)|=|ARMAGH|47.14
    24th |(24)|=|FINGAL|46.98
    25th |(25)|=|DONEGAL|46.41
    26th |(26)|=|ROSCOMMON|43.61
    27th |(27)|=|TYRONE|43.53
    28th |(28)|=|FERMANAGH|39.07
    29th |(29)|=|LOUTH|37.89
    30th |(30)|=|MONAGHAN|36.83
    31st |(31)|=|LONGFORD|34.74
    32nd |(32)|=|WARWICKSHIRE|32.58
    33rd |(33)|=|SLIGO|29.57
    34th |(34)|=|LEITRIM|26.94


    * Limerick defied expectation with their first win against Tipp in Thurles since 1973. This moves them up a position and Tipperary down a position. The league had suggested that Waterford and Limerick were being cast adrift from the top 6, the last 8 days have proven otherwise.
    * Galways expexted win over Laois saw no points exchange while Wexford took 0.84 points at the expense of Antrim.
    * Kerry have not won many points from their impressive Ring cup run as they are so far ahead of their fellow teams in points, their win against Mayo brought them nothing. Kildare's victory over Meath brought them no positional gain but a good points gain of 1.84. Meath drop two positions.

    --- zombie Hanalei ---


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    #110
    feargale
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    I would have expected Laois to overtake Antrim after the weekend.


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    #111
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    feargale wrote: »
    I would have expected Laois to overtake Antrim after the weekend.

    Unfortunately, there are no points gained for losing...........


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    #112
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    bonus point for getting within 3 at the final whistle?


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    #113
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    bonus point for getting within 3 at the final whistle?

    If the margin of victory is 8 points or greater, the rating point transfer is multiplied by 1.5. So to answer your question, the losing team are penalised further if they lose by 8 or more.

    In the case of the Laois-Galway game, a Galway win was never going to result in a point exchange as Galway were more than 10 rating points above Laois.......a Laois win on the otherhand........remains a dream for next year!


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    #114
    dastardly00
    Registered Users Posts: 13,308 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Any updates laoisman11?


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    #115
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    Update as requested!

    Position|(last week)|change|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|=|KILKENNY|91.69
    2nd |(5)|+3|CORK|87.93
    3rd |(4)|+1|DUBLIN|87.53
    4th |(3)|-1|GALWAY|87.17
    5th |(2)|-3|CLARE|86.76
    6th |(6)|=|TIPPERARY|85.30
    7th |(7)|=|LIMERICK|84.32
    8th |(8)|=|WATERFORD|82.67
    9th |(9)|=|WEXFORD|78.24
    10th |(10)|=|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|=|ANTRIM|72.63
    12th |(12)|=|LAOIS|72.15
    13th |(13)|=|KERRY|66.46
    14th |(14)|=|CARLOW|64.86
    15th |(16)|+1|WESTMEATH|63.55
    16th |(15)|-1|KILDARE|61.65
    17th |(17)|=|DOWN|59.23
    18th |(19)|+1|DERRY|58.94
    19th |(18)|-1|LONDON|58.91
    20th |(20)|=|MEATH|57.32
    21st |(21)|=|WICKLOW|55.91
    22nd |(22)|=|MAYO|53.42
    23rd |(23)|=|ARMAGH|46.93
    24th |(24)|=|DONEGAL|46.41
    25th |(25)|=|FINGAL|45.63
    26th |(26)|=|TYRONE|44.88
    27th |(27)|=|ROSCOMMON|43.61
    28th |(28)|=|LOUTH|37.89
    29th |(29)|=|FERMANAGH|37.64
    30th |(30)|=|MONAGHAN|36.83
    31st |(31)|=|LONGFORD|36.51
    32nd |(32)|=|WARWICKSHIRE|32.58
    33rd |(33)|=|SLIGO|29.23
    34th |(34)|=|LEITRIM|26.94


    *Almost all teams outside the top 12 are finished hurling until next Spring. The rest of the Ulster hurling championship and one relegation promotion play off remain.
    *Big change in the top 5 where the order from 2nd to 5th was turned upside down, Cork now up to number two after their impressive win over Clare. Galway lose a place despite not playing but have an opportunity to move to number 2 this weekend.

    --- zombie Hanalei ---


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    #116
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    The latest update from Hanalei below..........


    Position|(last week)|change|Team|Rating Point
    1st |(1)|=|KILKENNY|91.24
    2nd |(2)|=|CORK|87.93
    3rd |(4)|+1|GALWAY|87.62
    4th |(3)|-1|DUBLIN|87.53
    5th |(5)|=|CLARE|86.76
    6th |(6)|=|TIPPERARY|85.30
    7th |(7)|=|LIMERICK|84.32
    8th |(8)|=|WATERFORD|82.67
    9th |(9)|=|WEXFORD|78.24
    10th |(10)|=|OFFALY|75.19
    11th |(11)|=|ANTRIM|72.63
    12th |(12)|=|LAOIS|72.15


    Just the top 12 this week, only game played by all counties was Kilkenny v Galway.

    Galway make a small points gain following their dramatic comeback and move ahead of Dublin.

    Tyrone were due to play Down in a Ring/Rackard promotion/relegation play-off but disappointingly, Tyrone opted to give a walkover to Down, as they felt they hadn’t enough time to adequately prepare for this match. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that the most likely outcome was a very big victory for Down. The date of the promotion/relegation was known to Tyrone all year, and it was even pushed back a week to accommodate the Ulster hurling championship. Unlikely and all as a Tyrone victory was, I find it very disappointing that they chose not to take the opportunity to have a shot at promotion.


    A summary of Rackard and Meagher cup teams charting their 2014 highest and lowest positions, and showing how many points they gained/lost since the start of the year.

    RACKARD CUP
    Position|Team|’14 high|’14 low|Point change
    24th |DONEGAL|23|26|+0.46
    25th |FINGAL|23|26|-2.14
    26th |TYRONE|26|28|+5.4
    27th |ROSCOMMON|25|27|-1.01
    28th |LOUTH|27|29|-5.77
    30th |MONAGHAN|29|30|-0.8
    33rd |SLIGO|32|33|-3.64



    MEAGHER CUP
    Position|Team|’14 high|’14 low|Point change
    29th |FERMANAGH|28|30|+2.93
    31st |LONGFORD|31|33|+4.37
    32nd |WARWICKSHIRE|31|32|-1.74
    34th |LEITRIM|34|34|+0.9



    *** zombie Hanalei ***


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    #117
    feargale
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    laoisman11 wrote: »
    The latest update from Ha
    Tyrone were due to play Down in a Ring/Rackard promotion/relegation play-off but disappointingly, Tyrone opted to give a walkover to Down, as they felt they hadn’t enough time to adequately prepare for this match. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that the most likely outcome was a very big victory for Down. The date of the promotion/relegation was known to Tyrone all year, and it was even pushed back a week to accommodate the Ulster hurling championship. Unlikely and all as a Tyrone victory was, I find it very disappointing that they chose not to take the opportunity to have a shot at promotion.

    Agreed. So say all of us, I'm sure.


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    #118
    feargale
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    laoisman11 wrote: »
    The latest update from Ha
    Tyrone were due to play Down in a Ring/Rackard promotion/relegation play-off but disappointingly, Tyrone opted to give a walkover to Down, as they felt they hadn’t enough time to adequately prepare for this match. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that the most likely outcome was a very big victory for Down. The date of the promotion/relegation was known to Tyrone all year, and it was even pushed back a week to accommodate the Ulster hurling championship. Unlikely and all as a Tyrone victory was, I find it very disappointing that they chose not to take the opportunity to have a shot at promotion.

    Agreed. So say all of us, I'm sure.


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    #119
    zombieHanalei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭zombieHanalei


    A big thank you to laoisman11 for posting this for me during my sabbatical, however it's not fair on me to put this on him. Not that he ever complained, he was always happy to oblige. I joined boards originally just to post these rankings to see what people thought, and I received some excellent feedback and constructive criticism. However the best feedback came from laoisman11 himself who took what I did and improved upon it to create the football rankings. So I've raised my game a little, made a few tweaks here and there (including championship weighting that most called for) and this is the result. Now the differences aren't obvious but from observing how the rankings developed over the 2005-2014 period compared to the previous system I had used in this thread all along, I feel that the new system has given a better reflection on how the counties have fared.

    Also, if you're reading this Hammer Archer, I want to apologise to you for leaving you in the lurch with the hurling championship pools, I should have contacted you at first to tell you I was closing the account so I'd understand if you saw that as a bit of a dick-ish move on my part. So, sorry Hammer Archer.

    *Only change to the rankings this week; three counties climb a place as a result of Kilkenny's big win over Galway which drops them from third to sixth.

    Position|(last week)|change|Team|Points
    1st |(1)|=|KILKENNY|9050
    2nd |(2)|=|CORK|8726
    3rd |(4)|+1|DUBLIN|8655
    4th |(5)|+1|CLARE|8637
    5th |(6)|+1|TIPPERARY|8539
    6th |(3)|-3|GALWAY|8502
    7th |(7)|=|LIMERICK|8308
    8th |(8)|=|WATERFORD|8223
    9th |(9)|=|WEXFORD|7746
    10th |(10)|=|OFFALY|7580
    11th |(11)|=|LAOIS|7246
    12th |(12)|=|ANTRIM|7108
    13th |(13)|=|KERRY|6601
    14th |(14)|=|CARLOW|6518
    15th |(15)|=|WESTMEATH|6421
    16th |(16)|=|KILDARE|6283
    17th |(17)|=|DOWN|6023
    18th |(18)|=|DERRY|5943
    19th |(19)|=|LONDON|5936
    20th |(20)|=|MEATH|5722
    21st |(21)|=|WICKLOW|5679
    22nd |(22)|=|MAYO|5384
    23rd |(23)|=|ARMAGH|4834
    24th |(24)|=|DONEGAL|4782
    25th |(25)|=|FINGAL|4673
    26th |(26)|=|TYRONE|4667
    27th |(27)|=|ROSCOMMON|4426
    28th |(28)|=|LOUTH|3966
    29th |(29)|=|FERMANAGH|3876
    30th |(30)|=|MONAGHAN|3856
    31st |(31)|=|LONGFORD|3731
    32nd |(32)|=|WARWICKSHIRE|3409
    33rd |(33)|=|SLIGO|3101
    34th |(34)|=|LEITRIM|2878


    The system has been amended, I've taken advantage of some newly found free time over the last two weeks and implemented a new weighted system.

    *Points exchange now weighted by 1.5 (50% extra) for provincial finals and all knockout championship games. No weighting applied to league or provincial games (with the exception of finals)

    *New "bands" of points exchange, previously I used just draw, win/loss by 1-7 points, win/loss by 8+ points. Now there are 5 categories; 1-Draw, 2-Win/Loss 1-3pts, 3-Win/Loss 4-6pts, 4-Win/Loss 7-9pts, 5-Win/Loss 10+pts.

    Otherwise, same as before, with everything multiplied by 100 just because not using decimal points saves a small bit of time.


    JULY 5th/6th PREVIEW

    Three big games to consider this weekend

    DUBLIN (3) -v- KILKENNY (1)
    Kilkenny will be glad to be back in the final after a rare absence, last year was just the second time in Cody's reign they didn't participate in the Leinster decider. For a team seen by some as in transition, Kilkenny have held the number one spot for all bar one week since September 2012. The rankings point to a Kilkenny victory here.
    KILKENNY by 4

    CLARE (4) -v- WEXFORD (9)
    Could the draw have gone any worse for Wexford? They came very close to beating Clare in the qualifiers last year before Clare roasted them in extra time. Although Clare haven't quite looked their best, a trip to Cusack Park is almost akin to a trip to Nowlan Park at the moment, the rankings tip a heavy win here, the margin of which I am in disagreement with.
    CLARE by 12

    TIPPERARY (5) -v- GALWAY (6)
    Like Wexford, Galway have drawn a short straw with a tricky away assignment, but that's where the parallels end as Galway have every chance of claiming the spoils here. Tipperary have already been defeated by Limerick at Semple Stadium (in addition to a home defeat to Clare in the league), anything could happen here, I wouldn't bet on the outcome, but the rankings go for a Tipp victory.
    TIPPERARY by 4


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    #120
    zombieHanalei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭zombieHanalei


    I'd really appreciate it if someone could post this image; (I can't post images or links due to low post count)

    http ://oi57. tinypic.com/73kolf.jpg


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    #121
    laoisman11
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭laoisman11


    zombieHanalei wrote: »
    I'd really appreciate it if someone could post this image; (I can't post images or links due to low post count)

    http ://oi57. tinypic.com/73kolf.jpg

    No problem.......

    73kolf.jpg


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