HAYE CHISORA BRAWL

kryogen · 20-02-2012 3:15am

Oxford_ wrote: »

The bigger question has to be asked here, who let them two out of their cages?

Why would they be in cages?

jethro081 · 20-02-2012 5:14am

kryogen wrote: »

Why would they be in cages?

i believe he is implying they behaved like animals.

Bodhisopha · 20-02-2012 6:12am

Haye KTFO's him the fck out if they ever step foot in the ring.

Spazdarn · 20-02-2012 6:17am

plasmaguy wrote: »

Two year ban from boxing for Haye would be my guess. Chisora, probably a year. The authorities have to be seen to do something, otherwise this will become the norm at these press conferences.

The Klitschos really are being forced to scrape the barrel when they fought these bums. Surely there is even one good American Heavyweight out there.

I thought Vitali was fighting Valuev soon as well.

I don't see how you can think Haye came out of it much worse. This was Chisora's third incident in 2 days. Slapping Vitali unprovoked, Spitting water at Wlad and Haye and he fighting. Add on top of that claims he was going to pour petrol on him and burn him, and actually "physically" shoot him.

I despise Haye the person as much as most but that's a fairly blinkered viewpoint if you ask me.

Just because Chisora put up a fight against one of the brothers and Haye didn't doesn't detract from the fact he's a scumbag.

Spazdarn · 20-02-2012 6:20am

minty16 wrote: »

Chisora fought well against Vitali, certainly not disgraced in the ring. Haye was disgraced in the ring against Wlad and also at the conference last night. Why was he even there? Striking him in the way he did was inexcusable. Absolute coward. Chisora's comments about shooting him showed him for the scumbag that he is, but he's not a coward like David Haye.

Chisora didn't strike anyone unprovoked that weekend no?

Scanlas The 2nd · 20-02-2012 7:21am

ToiletFusion wrote: »

minty16 wrote: »

Chisora fought well against Vitali, certainly not disgraced in the ring. Haye was disgraced in the ring against Wlad and also at the conference last night. Why was he even there? Striking him in the way he did was inexcusable. Absolute coward. Chisora's comments about shooting him showed him for the scumbag that he is, but he's not a coward like David Haye.

Chisora didn't strike anyone unprovoked that weekend no?

Firstly Chisora struck vitali unprinvoked, secondly, chisora took his top off signalling he was gonna fight when he walked over to Haye. That is provoking Haye.

Spazdarn · 20-02-2012 9:22am

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Firstly Chisora struck vitali unprinvoked, secondly, chisora took his top off signalling he was gonna fight when he walked over to Haye. That is provoking Haye.

I am agreeing with you...

I think a lot of people's general hate for Haye is coming to the fore, analysing the weekend, Haye was his usual pompous, annoying self but Chisora comes across much worse in my book.

If we were slating Haye in general I'll jump right back on the bandwagon but in this case, he's the lesser of two evils.

barney4001 · 20-02-2012 10:05am

can it get any lower after this weekend

http://www.boxingscene.com/evans-quinn- ... ant--49771

barney4001 · 20-02-2012 10:08am

corny wrote: »

Haye threw the first punch in utter frustration. I bet he'd envisaged walking in on the press conference, having everyone dance to his tune (like he's done in the past) and walking out with a September extravaganza in the bag. Didn't quite work out like that for him. Chisora and Klitschkos camp made a mockery of him (his toe, his cowardly nature etc.) and he didn't like it.

I'm glad he showed his colours anyway. Its poetic justice that a man who forged a career through the media spotlight will have it ended by the media spotlight.

His toe must be better then lol

Dusty87 · 20-02-2012 10:10am

barney4001 wrote: »

can it get any lower after this weekend

http://www.boxingscene.com/evans-quinn- ... ant--49771

link not working barney...

Park Royal · 20-02-2012 11:00am

MagicMarker wrote: »

Nonsense, Chisora was the aggressor, Haye would have been stupid to wait for the first punch. He did the right thing imo in acting first.

That would be my take on this also, but I am gob smacked Frank Warren sat there on his hands while Chisora got up and went around him to confront Haye.......

guess who was in the ring during the long long spitting incident.....

and the cameras were rolling and in the right place........on both occasions!

the promoters and managers , imho have a lot to answer .......letting all

this take place and bring the game into disrepute......perhaps their

positions should be examined , whats the point having administrators and

promoter / managers and they let the likes of that happen.....they were

next to useless really.........( boxing is apparently renowned for its

lightening fast reactions .....this was like a slow court case )...plenty of

time for Frank and the others to stop this happening .....but they didn't.;)

Spazdarn · 20-02-2012 11:29am

Oh course Frank let it happen, there would be no reason to match the two of them before the fracas. Now it's the talk of the town.

He was trying to match them up before Chisora went down to him... saying winner gets Vitali

Ash.J.Williams · 20-02-2012 11:32am

Both fighters should be banned for 2 years, to make their pathetic grudge match redundant. A haye chisora grudge fight would be akin to a wwe event.

RiseToTheTop · 20-02-2012 12:11pm

WTF is up with all this "banned for life" crap going on.

Chisora or Haye didn't stab each other or anything.

RiseToTheTop · 20-02-2012 12:12pm

WTF is up with all this "banned for life" crap going on.

Chisora or Haye didn't stab each other or anything.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-02-2012 12:13pm

they may not have stabbed eachother, but to gift them millions of pounds on the back of the weekends antics is wrong too.

Kess73 · 20-02-2012 12:19pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

I am agreeing with you...

I think a lot of people's general hate for Haye is coming to the fore, analysing the weekend, Haye was his usual pompous, annoying self but Chisora comes across much worse in my book.

If we were slating Haye in general I'll jump right back on the bandwagon but in this case, he's the lesser of two evils.

Would agree that over the course of the weekend that Chisora was the bigger scumbag of the two, but being a lesser scumbag still means you acted like a scumbag.

I see no defence for either man for their antics. Neither had to do any of the stuff they did. For me it was two thugs in action. A mouthy ignorant thug clashing with a mouth cowardly thug.

Ricardo G · 20-02-2012 12:29pm

If this happened after a rugby match what would happen ?? These guys need to be thought a lesson, maybe not banned for life but hit their pockets instead !! Horrible individuals and i'm sorry if this sounds anti-british but i find it typical of an english sports person to behave like this. Frank Warren imo should also take some responsibility here

tinner777 · 20-02-2012 12:30pm

Be surprised to see any significant bans

Discodog · 20-02-2012 12:37pm

tinner777 wrote: »

Be surprised to see any significant bans

So would I. If there is any censure it should be on Chisora as if he had stayed in his seat it wouldn't of happened.

SooooBored · 20-02-2012 12:38pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they may not have stabbed eachother, but to gift them millions of pounds on the back of the weekends antics is wrong too.

Ye no way should these pair be allowed to profit from this. Maybe if they sign their potential purse from such a fight to a boxing charity
I think a lot of people who already have a dislike for Haye can't see past that regarding this particular event.
Haye is a self promoter (Hayemaker Productions) so of course he is goina turn up at the post fight conference and try secure himself a fight with Vitali.
Chisora had already threatened to slap Haye in the build up to the fight and again in his post fight conference, he then walked toward Haye in a threatening manner and can be heard asking his mate to stand behind me, took his jacket off and went head to head, Don’t forget Chisora also slapped Vitali and spat at Wladimer so Haye was right to tag him on the chin, it was a defensive reaction. Chisora can’t be seen for the best part of it because he was tagged good. Haye also gave Chisora’s trainer a few nice digs. He did hit Booth with the camera thing which is clear so I’m sure Booth will concur with in the next few days.
Id say its job done for Haye and he will get his fight with Vitali, he was seen having a laugh with the Klitschko’s manager Boente after the brawl.

Spazdarn · 20-02-2012 12:38pm

Sure you can't ban Haye anyway as he doesn't have a license to ban?

RiseToTheTop · 20-02-2012 12:42pm

I'm sure the Klitschko's would loved to see both banned so they could get rid of any challenge.

They will go back to fighting fat bums looking for their payday, winning a 120-108 decision.

Frank Bullitt · 20-02-2012 12:43pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Sure you can't ban Haye anyway as he doesn't have a license to ban?

They can't ban him, but they have the ability to not grant him a license.

Spazdarn · 20-02-2012 12:45pm

Gintonious wrote: »

They can't ban him, but they have the ability to not grant him a license.

Yeah amounts to the same thing I suppose.

Don't think the brother will be happy to see both banned actually, despite them knowing that Haye and Chisora are both idiots, they represent relatively big money fights that either brother can win with relative ease.

Vitali hurt his shoulder last night in and around the 2nd or 3rd round so that might explain why he was relatively poor, and his tried and trusted jab wasn't used.

Shane Fitz · 20-02-2012 12:58pm

nino1 wrote: »

To be fair to Haye, he had no choice but to throw the first punch.
having seen Chisora's antics the last few days he knew that he was 100% going to get slapped/punched if he just stood there.

I wouldn't class him anywhere near in the same league of scumbag as chisora

Haye could have turned on his heel and walked away, he had no business at the press conference.

walshb · 20-02-2012 1:07pm

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

I'm sure the Klitschko's would loved to see both banned so they could get rid of any challenge.

They will go back to fighting fat bums looking for their payday, winning a 120-108 decision.

What?

Chisora was thoroughly beaten, as was Haye. What is this challenge you speak of? I am sure both Klits would love if they had to meet the likes of Haye and Chisora every day. Easy work, nice pay!

Says a lot about boxing if there are worse contenders out there than Haye and Chisora.

Discodog · 20-02-2012 1:08pm

Shane Fitz wrote: »

Haye could have turned on his heel and walked away, he had no business at the press conference.

As he was apparently being paid by the media that may not be the case.

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

I'm sure the Klitschko's would loved to see both banned so they could get rid of any challenge.

They will go back to fighting fat bums looking for their payday, winning a 120-108 decision.

Absolutely. The way that they manipulate boxing is far worse than anything that Haye & Chisora have done.

SooooBored · 20-02-2012 1:09pm

Shane Fitz wrote: »

he had no business at the press conference.

Behave yourself now, as i said Haye is a self promoter (Hayemaker Productions) so of course he is goina turn up at the post fight conference and try secure himself a fight with Vitali.

Mental Mickey · 20-02-2012 1:11pm

Two bums...

Shane Fitz · 20-02-2012 1:20pm

Discodog wrote: »

tinner777 wrote: »

Be surprised to see any significant bans

So would I. If there is any censure it should be on Chisora as if he had stayed in his seat it wouldn't of happened.

And if Haye wasn't at the press conference....

Lots of people excusing both parties,
Hate did not need to be at the press conference.
Haye should not have been goading Chirosa, but he's a mouthy scumbag
Chirosa should have stayed in his seat, he didn't have to confront Haye, but he's and aggressive scumbag.
Haye could have turned and left before Chirosa got down...
Cudda Shudda Wudda!!!
Simply two over indulged, egomaniacs who shouldnever darken a TV screen or boxing ring again!
can you imagine the media hype if this had happened at an MMA event let alone a high profile event like last weekend?

Spazdarn · 20-02-2012 1:43pm

The whole thing is a distraction from what I think is a far more important issues dodgy ref decisions. Tavouris Cloud winning was a joke.

MagicMarker · 20-02-2012 1:53pm

barney4001 wrote: »

His toe must be better then lol

hahahahahah HAHAHAHAHAHAHhHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It get's funnier every time..

Dodge · 20-02-2012 3:37pm

Discodog wrote: »

Absolutely. The way that they manipulate boxing is far worse than anything that Haye & Chisora have done.

Are you talking about the WBC, WBA, IBF and the rest of the alphabets here?

Can't see how its their fault they're far superior to everyone else over the last decade

Kess73 · 20-02-2012 3:52pm

Haye still is in hiding and Booth has gone from saying no comment to ignoring calls.

The German police think that both are back in the UK somewhere as the dial tone on Booth's phone has changed to a UK tone.

All Haye is doing is making a bigger story out of it by hiding away like a scumbag. The German police have already publicly stated that they will not charge him and all they want from him is a statement and a few questions anwered either in Germany or at a UK police station.

They reported that Haye left his hotel within hours of the scuffle before the police got there to question him.

tinner777 · 20-02-2012 3:58pm

so these two clowns will fight at the end of the summer with the winner losing to one of the brothers early next year...

nacho libre · 20-02-2012 4:05pm

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Firstly Chisora struck vitali unprinvoked, secondly, chisora took his top off signalling he was gonna fight when he walked over to Haye. That is provoking Haye.

So you're still excusing Haye's actions I see.
He wasn't in control of his arm when he picked up the tripod, was he?
Both men acted shamefully. It's juvenile to excuse one man actions on the basis that the other guy was much worse. This has nothing to do with a previous dislike of Haye. If Haye is the innocent party in all this, why has he gone into hiding? No doubt he's probably consulting with a top pr firm in a hotel somewhere.

minty16 · 20-02-2012 4:08pm

This is mad. It's clear that some media outlets are still trying to protect Haye. Focusing all attention on Chisora and what will happen to him. I cant believe it. What a coward.

cowzerp · 20-02-2012 4:19pm

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

I'm sure the Klitschko's would loved to see both banned so they could get rid of any challenge.

They will go back to fighting fat bums looking for their payday, winning a 120-108 decision.

Seriously man, these are the 2 worst they have faced in years-they have basically beaten eerybody and are just looking for people to beat at this stage, and again they have not been beating fat people as we cleared up the other day, and the records of their opponents are solid also so i think your just been petty here.

walshb wrote: »

What?

Chisora was thoroughly beaten, as was Haye. What is this challenge you speak of? I am sure both Klits would love if they had to meet the likes of Haye and Chisora every day. Easy work, nice pay!

Says a lot about boxing if there are worse contenders out there than Haye and Chisora.

Making these 2 sound like the top challenghers is a way of knocking their reins as champions, and it is totally wrong too.

These 2 fights where just because their is no credible treaths out there for them.

Loco · 20-02-2012 4:25pm

Does anyone else think this is staged?

Lifetime bans or prison time would prove otherwise.

RiseToTheTop · 20-02-2012 5:05pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Seriously man, these are the 2 worst they have faced in years-they have basically beaten eerybody and are just looking for people to beat at this stage, and again they have not been beating fat people as we cleared up the other day, and the records of their opponents are solid also so i think your just been petty here.

The reason the Klitschko's opponents records are solid is because the contenders have beaten bums to get to the Klitschko's, the challengers are the best of a bad pile IMO.

Regards Haye, I read an article that Haye and Chisora were staying in the same hotel, so Haye and Booth rushed back to the hotel and left before Chisora and his entourage arrived back.

PS: Was listenting to radio report there and announcer struggled with Vitali's name and said "Vilalli" lol.

CricketDude · 20-02-2012 6:07pm

For me this should be a lifetime ban for Haye.
No way should someone profit out of hitting someone with a bottle AND a tripod.

RiseToTheTop · 20-02-2012 6:14pm

Well Mike Tyson bit Holyfield twice on one night, including one bite taking off a bit of his ear. He tried to break Botha's arm, and at the Lewis conference he punched at Lewis' entourage and bit Lewis when he was on the floor.

I don't think Haye will get punished too much. For life no way.

RiseToTheTop · 20-02-2012 6:25pm

David Haye press statement on brawl wrote:

"During the post-fight press conference, I was stood at the back of the room. It wasn't until Bernd Bonte said my name and involved me in the press conference that I commented. I was then happy to banter back and forth with Bonte and Klitschko, keen to ascertain whether he (Vitali) would stay true to his word and reiterate his desire to do what his younger brother couldn't do – knock me out.

"I felt as though the public would want to hear more information about this potential bout and that we could both start beating the drum ahead of a showdown later this year.

"However, at this point Chisora began firing insults at me from his position on the top table. In fact, he has recently made a habit of saying derogatory things about me in the press.

"Moments before declaring he wanted to go face-to-face with me, Chisora assured the gathered media that he would give me 'two slaps'. Chisora had, of course, already been shrouded in controversy that weekend.

"Despite this, Chisora climbed down from the top table, removed his robe and then walked towards me, entourage in tow, in an aggressive manner. I held my ground, but, unfortunately, he caused a serious disturbance to occur, something which threatened to damage the reputation of the sport we both love.

"Regrettably, some members of his entourage also encouraged the chaos.
"Nevertheless, Chisora and I soon separated, brushed ourselves down and moved in opposite directions. The confrontation then reignited, however, and both Don Charles and Adam Booth became involved in the mess. Adam suffered a cut to the head.
"Thankfully, it didn't take long for the ruckus to again settle down. It was then that I heard Chisora say he planned to 'shoot me dead'.

"I decided to leave the venue and return to my hotel, a move which I hoped would diffuse the situation. However, Chisora's team were staying at the same hotel as me and, in light of the threats Chisora had made in front of the world's media, it seemed far more appropriate for me and Adam to leave the hotel as quickly as possible.

"Consequently, I left Munich on an earlier flight on Sunday morning and have been thinking about what happened ever since, as well as replaying the incident many times via YouTube. It goes without saying, I am bitterly disappointed to have been a part of what transpired on Saturday evening.

"I realise I am no angel – and don't mind a bit of professional trash-talk to help raise boxing's profile – but, during my 21 years in the sport, I have never been involved in, or even witnessed, such a serious fracas.

"If requested, I shall happily assist the boxing authorities with any investigation they wish to launch and, ultimately, hope that all lessons learned from this incident will be implemented.

"I also hope Dereck Chisora is able to learn from his mistakes this past weekend, right the wrongs and then go on to fulfil his potential in the boxing ring. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/9093966/David-Haye-bitterly-disappointed-for-involvement-in-brawl-with-Dereck-Chisora-statement-in-full.html

Neil3030 · 20-02-2012 7:34pm

Just watched the video on the Guardian.

Completely staged imo.

Boxing, specifically heavyweight boxing, needed to shake things up and with all the hullabaloo surrounding this "incident", Chisora and Haye will fight and make a serious amount of cash.

tryingmybestt · 20-02-2012 8:39pm

regardless of what everyone is saying deep down everyone loved the controversy and excitement created by the brawl

this press conference had more excitement that all of vitali's fights together with Vlad's

plenty of past great fighters committed controversial acts and history didn't hold it against them. examples would be Bowe, Duran, Ali, Barrera/Morales, mayweather, tyson, hopkins, Lew's/Rachman, holmes/berbick

Bowe actually threw a glass at Gonzalez and hit Donald with a serious one two to the jaw

Lewis was involved in 2 brawls with Rachman and Tyson

The irony is the same ppl who are criticizing Haye are praising lewis

brawls like this happen all the time and judging by the US websites they have not frowned on it too badly, they are more excited

this will allow a huge fight to be built and in a few months will all be forgotten about

http://youtu.be/bRBfZna8QlA

johnfaul · 20-02-2012 10:44pm

I dont see what the big fuss is about it has got people talking about what was a dull event.
I agree a fine is due from both haye and chisora .
Where was the security to allow chisora get to haye?
Look at all the views this is getting on youtube, it has happened before in boxing. just my 2 cents

RiseToTheTop · 20-02-2012 11:08pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Just watched the video on the Guardian.

Completely staged imo.

Boxing, specifically heavyweight boxing, needed to shake things up and with all the hullabaloo surrounding this "incident", Chisora and Haye will fight and make a serious amount of cash.

I really doubt that TBH. Would Haye have thrown a right to Chisora's jaw with a glass bottle in his hand? If the bottle broke it would have done serious damage to both fighters, especially Haye as it would have broken in the inside of his hand.

Bandana boy · 21-02-2012 12:12am

Haye is a scumbag and has been caught on camera proving it ,I hope they refuse any boxing licence renewal and the German police charge and convict him.Those people claiming that taking a robe off and/or walking up to somebody is provocation/ justification for throwing a punch need to look closely at their own code of ethics and adjust it to reality.Same for those who claim you can get your retaliation in first because of an apparent ability to divine the future.Arrive in Court after glassing some punter explaining you got your retaliation in first, because "there was no way he was not going to hit me !" and see how far that gets you.

Chisora is a classless scumbag, his actions all through his life up to and including this weekend prove it.I hope his licence gets revoked his entire prize withheld in a fine, and the German police charge and convict him.

I have already e-mailed Sky Sports stating that i will cancel my SKY sports subscription if they have any part in promoting this fight, if more people follow suit we can hopefully avoid/limit these two scumbags profiting from this.

Mighty_Mouse · 21-02-2012 12:19am

It's a superb piece of PR for both fighters whether staged or not.
I wouldn't put it past either for it to be loosely pre-conceived...........ie. Plan: "Haye confront's Chisora at press conference".........from which point things got out of hand.

The press coverage has been wall-to-wall, front page stories day 2, day 3 etc.
I presume from this point forward everything Haye does is to maximise press coverage, probably carefully advised by professional PR & management.

IMO he's a PR genuis.
He didn't have a credible money fight last week.
There has never been a boxer with his ability to build a fight.

For me, it's vomit-inducing, because unlike all the other great showmen boxers,he fails to put on a show where it matters ........ in the ring.

HAYE CHISORA BRAWL

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