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HAYE CHISORA BRAWL

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    Is that not spraying beer from the bottle?. He did have the bottle in his hand but it didn't break, at least thats what it looks like to me.

    The reporters on twitter say there was a bottle but it was a plastic lemonade bottle, the bottle he held at the doorway was a beer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 72 ✭✭No.125


    Chisora did not cause this incident.. he was assaulted by haye (who had a bottle clenched in his hand). there's the real scumbag. Chisora's slapping at the weigh in was sad but nothing serious. as was spitting in klitschikos face.


    no way was this staged.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Problem is Chisora was probably fighting at his max and still lost 9 rounds perhaps...Haye would be the same......the brothers can have an off night (like last night) and then still coast home.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    No.125 wrote: »
    Chisora did not cause this incident.. he was assaulted by haye (who had a bottle clenched in his hand). there's the real scumbag. Chisora's slapping at the weigh in was sad but nothing serious. as was spitting in klitschikos face.


    no way was this staged.
    Nonsense, Chisora was the aggressor, Haye would have been stupid to wait for the first punch. He did the right thing imo in acting first.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    He still shouldn't have thrown the tripod at Chisora's trainer. It was cowardly- the only circumstance where it possibly could be justified is if Charles had a foreign object(like a knife) in his hand, although there was no evidence that he had.
    Haye also threw a punch at Chisora while he had a bottle in his hand. There's really no excuse for either Haye or Chisora in this situation

    We are obviously going to be talking about something like this, but there is no way this was all staged to get people talking about heavyweight boxing again.

    I really doubt we'll ever see either of these two in the ring again. The BBBC are unlikely to renew Haye's licence, and Chisora, after threatening to shoot another another man, may well be banned for life from Boxing for bring the sport into disrepute.

    He was throwing punches, and being held back, once he he was kept away, he picked up the tripod and threw it, he was enraged, and hardly thinking straight.

    Id hardly class a tripod as a weapon especially along the lines of a knife...

    Haye had the plastic bottle (according to twitter) in his hand and Chisora came at him, I'd imagine getting rid of his lemonade was hardly at the top of his agenda at the time.

    You even hear Chisora saying in the video to his trainer get behind me... as opposed to telling him to get out of the way. If he really wanted Haye he could have taken him on man to man.

    I have never felt the need to defend Haye before but in this case with a lunatic like Chisora coming at you, I don't blame him for his reaction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,885 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,885 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He was throwing punches, and being held back, once he he was kept away, he picked up the tripod and threw it, he was enraged, and hardly thinking straight.

    Id hardly class a tripod as a weapon especially along the lines of a knife...

    Haye had the plastic bottle (according to twitter) in his hand and Chisora came at him, I'd imagine getting rid of his lemonade was hardly at the top of his agenda at the time.

    You even hear Chisora saying in the video to his trainer get behind me... as opposed to telling him to get out of the way. If he really wanted Haye he could have taken him on man to man.

    I have never felt the need to defend Haye before but in this case with a lunatic like Chisora coming at you, I don't blame him for his reaction.

    From one of the videos, you can see someone tries to take the bottle out of Hayes hand before Chizora gets to him but he keeps holding it, and it is a glass bottle of beer, not a plastic one.

    It makes no difference if the tripod is not a weapon, if you hit someone or attempt to hit someone with it, then it is classed as a weapon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭RiseToTheTop


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    I thought that Dereck Chisora should have had his boxing license revoked after he hit Klitschko at the press conference... And then he spits at him before the fight... utter scumbag.. I think Vitalia showed his true class by not reacting to either provocation.

    Regarding the post fight press conference, I think Chisora is definitely in bigger trouble, even if Haye used a bottle.. A court would see it as David Haye staying where he was asking questions (non physical) and then Chisora approaching him and initiating the physical confrontation.. Haye will just say that he was defending himself, by whatever means came to hand.. Chisora could also be charged with threatening to kill (multiple times :pac:)

    Both are an absolute disgrace and should get lenghty bans..

    Chisora is a scumbag yes, but it does sicken me sometimes seeing Wlad or Vitali butt in when the other brother has a confrontation. And no matter what anyone says, its intimidation aswell. Many a fighter is beaten at the weigh in at the sight of the 2 of them staring ya down.

    Chisora kinda bucked the trend, he was trying to get under their skin but in fairness he showed very little class which was to be expected from him really.

    Exactly. Just goes to show that when Chisora actually spat in Wladimirs face Wladimir was much closer to Chisora than Vitali.

    Maybe if Vitali's "corner man" wasn't in Chisora's face 20 seconds before the bell sounded he wouldn't have had water on his face.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭RiseToTheTop


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    I thought that Dereck Chisora should have had his boxing license revoked after he hit Klitschko at the press conference... And then he spits at him before the fight... utter scumbag.. I think Vitalia showed his true class by not reacting to either provocation.

    Regarding the post fight press conference, I think Chisora is definitely in bigger trouble, even if Haye used a bottle.. A court would see it as David Haye staying where he was asking questions (non physical) and then Chisora approaching him and initiating the physical confrontation.. Haye will just say that he was defending himself, by whatever means came to hand.. Chisora could also be charged with threatening to kill (multiple times :pac:)

    Both are an absolute disgrace and should get lenghty bans..

    Chisora is a scumbag yes, but it does sicken me sometimes seeing Wlad or Vitali butt in when the other brother has a confrontation. And no matter what anyone says, its intimidation aswell. Many a fighter is beaten at the weigh in at the sight of the 2 of them staring ya down.

    Chisora kinda bucked the trend, he was trying to get under their skin but in fairness he showed very little class which was to be expected from him really.

    Exactly. Just goes to show that when Chisora actually spat in Wladimirs face Wladimir was much closer to Chisora than Vitali.

    Maybe if Vitali's "corner man" wasn't in Chisora's face 20 seconds before the bell sounded he wouldn't have had water on his face.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,885 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Exactly. Just goes to show that when Chisora actually spat in Wladimirs face Wladimir was much closer to Chisora than Vitali.

    Maybe if Vitali's "corner man" wasn't in Chisora's face 20 seconds before the bell sounded he wouldn't have had water on his face.

    Chizora being close to Wladamir might have something to do with him waling over to their corner to intimidate him?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    Gintonious wrote: »
    From one of the videos, you can see someone tries to take the bottle out of Hayes hand before Chizora gets to him but he keeps holding it, and it is a glass bottle of beer, not a plastic one.

    It makes no difference if the tripod is not a weapon, if you hit someone or attempt to hit someone with it, then it is classed as a weapon.

    I'll take you word for it if the video states as much, only went by twitter reporters, could tell for sure in the videos I've seen, thought the liquid was clear.

    Haye doesn't bottle him though, he goes to punch him as he normally would, though the bottle is if his hands. The way he's holding the bottle would only harm himself really

    I'd take throwing a random object at a fella over being double teamed any day. If Chisora was as tough as he claimed he could have took care of business himself, I'd find that more cowardly.

    Especially, with his comments about "my entourage against yours" crap. Why are you dragging other people into your ****...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,958 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    He was throwing punches, and being held back, once he he was kept away, he picked up the tripod and threw it, he was enraged.

    Id hardly class a tripod as a weapon especially along the lines of a knife...

    Haye had the plastic bottle (according to twitter) in his hand and Chisora came at him, I'd imagine getting rid of his lemonade was hardly at the top of his agenda at the time.

    You even hear Chisora saying in the video to his trainer get behind me... as opposed to telling him to get out of the way. If he really wanted Haye he could have taken him on man to man.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWrNGUeW2i8&feature=related

    at the 4:03 minute mark it's clear Charles is being held back by Booth and another person, then Haye - who is on his own- picks up the tripod to throw it at Charles. He exchanged punches with Charles and was on the backfoot, then shortly after that decides to throw the tripod at him

    I never said a tripod was as dangerous as a knife, just that it was cowardly to use the tripod to attack Charles , which you are going out of your way to excuse. Yet you speak as if Chisora was the coward.


    Also Haye hit Chisora flush on the jaw, while he had what looked like a beer bottle in his hand, and couldn't knock him out. Even if the twitter reports are accurate, Haye struck first.

    In conclusion, while you seem keen to make feeble excuses for Haye, Haye acted disgracefully as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    The reporters on twitter say there was a bottle but it was a plastic lemonade bottle, the bottle he held at the doorway was a beer
    It was definitely a glass bottle, you can hear it fall after he landed the punch. And you can see it here http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/4139335/Dereck-Chisora-and-David-Haye-brawl-at-Munich-press-conference-as-Adam-Booth-gets-injured.html

    Id hardly class a tripod as a weapon especially along the lines of a knife...
    Tell that to Haye's manager who has a gash on his head.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWrNGUeW2i8&feature=related

    at the 4:03 minute mark it's clear Charles is being held back by Booth and another person, then Haye - who is on his own- picks up the tripod to throw it at Charles. He exchanged punches with Charles and was on the backfoot, then shortly after that decides to throw the tripod at him

    I never said a tripod was as dangerous as a knife, just that it was cowardly to use the tripod to attack Charles , which you are going out of your way to excuse. Yet you speak as if Chisora was the coward.


    Also Haye hit Chisora flush on the jaw, while he had what looked like a beer bottle in his hand, and couldn't knock him out. Even if the twitter reports are accurate, Haye struck first.

    In conclusion, while you seem keen to make feeble excuses for Haye, Haye acted disgracefully as well

    Haye is a tosser, everyone knows that, every post pre-scrap by me about him states as much, but two fellas marched down there to fight him, two on one is cowardly.

    Haye had every right to hit first, if a fella claims he's coming down there to kick your ass what are you supposed to do, stand there like an idiot out of some form of honour or chivalry, waiting for the first punch. That's retarded.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    It was definitely a glass bottle, you can hear it fall after he landed the punch. And you can see it here http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/4139335/Dereck-Chisora-and-David-Haye-brawl-at-Munich-press-conference-as-Adam-Booth-gets-injured.html



    Tell that to Haye's manager who has a gash on his head.

    Adam Booth is full of ****, he was just trying to put the blame/focus on Chisora.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭RiseToTheTop


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Exactly. Just goes to show that when Chisora actually spat in Wladimirs face Wladimir was much closer to Chisora than Vitali.

    Maybe if Vitali's "corner man" wasn't in Chisora's face 20 seconds before the bell sounded he wouldn't have had water on his face.

    Chizora being close to Wladamir might have something to do with him waling over to their corner to intimidate him?

    It was after the referee gave instructions and Wladimir was a good 2-3 feet closer to Chisora than Vitali.

    Chisora was nowhere the Klitschko's corner. It was just the usual Klitschko tactics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,958 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Haye is a tosser, everyone knows that, every post pre-scrap by me about him states as much, but two fellas marched down there to fight him, two on one is cowardly.

    Haye had every right to hit first, if a fella claims he's coming down there to kick your ass what are you supposed to do, stand there like an idiot out of some form of honour or chivalry, waiting for the first punch. That's retarded.

    It was never two on one at any stage. Haye fought with Charles separately. Charles was being held back by two people, while Haye attacked him with the tripod.
    While Chisora did square up to Haye, the facts are Haye struck first and then used a tripod as a weapon, saying what Chisora might have done is pure speculation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    Adam Booth is full of ****, he was just trying to put the blame/focus on Chisora.

    What's that got to do with anything? You said, "Id hardly class a tripod as a weapon especially along the lines of a knife..." and I just proved to you that it is considered a weapon due to the fact that he injured someone with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I am amazed that everyone has fallen for this stunt. Haye v Chisora will now be big box office. It was all planned well in advance. It might even explain why Haye was there as a presenter. Chisora could of stayed in his seat. He could of been prevented from reaching Haye.

    Meanwhile ringmaster Frank can act sanctimoniously & pretend that it had nothing to do with him :D

    By the way if, as said during the build up, Klitscho's hands were taped with no one supervising from Chisora's side wouldn't that be grounds to have the result declared void.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    What's that got to do with anything? You said, "Id hardly class a tripod as a weapon especially along the lines of a knife..." and I just proved to you that it is considered a weapon due to the fact that he injured someone with it.

    I wasn't the first to mention the knife, I just stated it's hardly a fair comparison... throwing the first thing you can see in anger and actually carrying a weapon are two different things entirely. One is due to Haye being enraged and frustrated, the other is premeditated.

    Booth wasn't badly injured, he was just playing it up to deflect the blame away from Haye. Thus him going on to claim he was bottled also.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I wasn't the first to mention the knife, I just stated it's hardly a fair comparison... throwing the first thing you can see in anger and actually carrying a weapon are two different things entirely. One is due to Haye being enraged and frustrated, the other is premeditated.

    Haye wouldn't be stupid enough to properly hit someone whilst holding the neck of a bottle - he could of severely damaged his hand. There will be a long brooding build up to the fight & thousands of tickets will be sold.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    It was never two on one at any stage. Haye fought with Charles separately. Charles was being held back by two people, while Haye attacked him with the tripod.
    While Chisora did square up to Haye, the facts are Haye struck first and then used a tripod as a weapon, saying what Chisora might have done is pure speculation.

    So if I were to rant and rave about knocking you out, and get up in middle of press conference and then rush down towards you to do so, you'd wait for me to throw the first punch?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Wild_Dogger


    In the wise words of Mike Tyson :

    "Well, fcuk it. It's a fight. So, whatever happens happens."


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    Adam Booth is full of ****, he was just trying to put the blame/focus on Chisora.

    Booth got the cut from Haye throwing the tripod, it's clear as day from the video if you watch it.

    Haye also used a glass bottle, that's clear too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    plasmaguy wrote: »
    Booth got the cut from Haye throwing the tripod, it's clear as day from the video if you watch it.

    Haye also used a glass bottle, that's clear too.

    I never said otherwise, I said he claimed to be bottled to detract attention away from Haye. I never said it wasn't Haye that caused it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Even stupid Sky are starting to talk about how the brawl will end in the ring. The build up begins. Look at Franks body language as he condemns the brawl - watch his eyes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    Discodog wrote: »
    Even stupid Sky are starting to talk about how the brawl will end in the ring. The build up begins. Look at Franks body language as he condemns the brawl - watch his eyes.

    Pounds signs for pupils?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭colly10


    Discodog wrote: »
    I am amazed that everyone has fallen for this stunt. Haye v Chisora will now be big box office. It was all planned well in advance. It might even explain why Haye was there as a presenter. Chisora could of stayed in his seat. He could of been prevented from reaching Haye.

    Meanwhile ringmaster Frank can act sanctimoniously & pretend that it had nothing to do with him :D

    By the way if, as said during the build up, Klitscho's hands were taped with no one supervising from Chisora's side wouldn't that be grounds to have the result declared void.

    Do you really Chisora being hit flush on the chin and his trainer being hit along with having a tripod thrown at him along with Booth cutting his head was all part of the plan?
    How about Chisora being recorded saying he will shoot Haye or find him and burn him?
    Does Haye saying Chisora lost his last 3 fights not damage the contest?

    Haye is a low life and Chisora is total scum (beating his gf and spitting water in Wlad's face shows this)


    I honestly think anyone who watches this and thinks it was staged watches too much WWE. What if Chisora had his jaw broken by the punch or the tripod split someones head open, would that just add to the affect of the fight?

    And realistically, noone expected Chisora to put up a good fight last night (and a bad performance would have made a fight with Haye worthless). So if it was all planned they would have had next to no time to plan it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭rebelomar


    It seems a very vilolent affair to be planned. If it was planned somebody tore up the script.

    Two absolute clowns imo..Both of them as bad as each other. I found it funny that an American journalist tweeted that Wlad was laughing and giving him the thumbs up in the middle of the brawl.

    Uncle frank didnt seem to be too bothered by the whole affair. All he sees is £££.

    It was incredible there was no security to stop the confrontation in the first place. Considering the bad blood between Chisora and the brothers there was a lways a chance of an incident at this presser.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,918 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Well I bet you that neither party will press charges but they might go through a mock civil suit to continue the spice.

    No one was seriously hurt. If Haye & Chisora had really gone for it there would of been a proper fight. Chisora was always going to stay the distance but even if he had been KO'd the post fight brawl would ensure a future big pay day for him & Haye.

    There is a long history of these "grudge fights". Even the like of Ali, Frazier, Foreman etc later admitted that a lot of the wind ups were staged. The story is still headline news & according to Sky the German police are looking for Haye - that seems hard to believe ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    colly10 wrote: »
    Do you really Chisora being hit flush on the chin and his trainer being hit along with having a tripod thrown at him along with Booth cutting his head was all part of the plan?
    How about Chisora being recorded saying he will shoot Haye or find him and burn him?
    Does Haye saying Chisora lost his last 3 fights not damage the contest?

    Haye is a low life and Chisora is total scum (beating his gf and spitting water in Wlad's face shows this)


    I honestly think anyone who watches this and thinks it was staged watches too much WWE. What if Chisora had his jaw broken by the punch or the tripod split someones head open, would that just add to the affect of the fight?

    And realistically, noone expected Chisora to put up a good fight last night (and a bad performance would have made a fight with Haye worthless). So if it was all planned they would have had next to no time to plan it.

    I agree...added to that, both Haye and Chisora will both probably be fined by the boxing authorities and a good chance their licences suspended.

    This is not the type of hype real boxing fans like to see, in fact this is the sort of thing that gives boxing a bad name and turns people off boxing.

    I also blame some of the managers and promotors, particulary some well known British promotors, who were even stoking it up between Chisora and Haye at the press conference. These guys would do anything for money.

    Any sign of Haye since by the way, sounds like he has gone to ground and ran from the German police. By the way, he could have taken someone's eye out with that Tripod and nearly did take Booth's eye out. He also could have done serious damage to Chisora.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    Discodog wrote: »
    Even stupid Sky are starting to talk about how the brawl will end in the ring. The build up begins. Look at Franks body language as he condemns the brawl - watch his eyes.

    Frank Warren and Don King are two people I'd rather see less of in boxing. Where-ever either are, trouble usually ensues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    rebelomar wrote: »
    It seems a very vilolent affair to be planned. If it was planned somebody tore up the script.

    Two absolute clowns imo..Both of them as bad as each other. I found it funny that an American journalist tweeted that Wlad was laughing and giving him the thumbs up in the middle of the brawl.

    Uncle frank didnt seem to be too bothered by the whole affair. All he sees is £££.

    It was incredible there was no security to stop the confrontation in the first place. Considering the bad blood between Chisora and the brothers there was a lways a chance of an incident at this presser.

    Just because a vulture gains the most from a roadkill doesn't mean that the vulture was driving the car


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    But even if the grudge match did get in the ring, Haye probably wouldn't have the power, and Chisora the skill to do any reall damage. Haye would do his customary running away for 12 rounds, only throwing one punch a round, like he did against Wlad.

    It probably wouldn't even make it to ppv.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Just because a vulture gains the most from a roadkill doesn't mean that the vulture was driving the car

    of course, we all know vultures dont drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    of course, we all know vultures dont drive.

    I dunno, there were a few pictured driving away from that fight in expensive luxury cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,885 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Was only thinking, Haye doesn't have a license as he retired on the day he was meant to renew it, so he could have some issues if he wanted to fight again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭RiseToTheTop


    plasmaguy wrote: »
    But even if the grudge match did get in the ring, Haye probably wouldn't have the power, and Chisora the skill to do any reall damage. Haye would do his customary running away for 12 rounds, only throwing one punch a round, like he did against Wlad.

    It probably wouldn't even make it to ppv.

    Well Sky don't do PPV anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭barney4001


    HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING HAS BEEN A BIT OF A JOKE NOW FOR SOME YEARS 'AND ITS NOT GETTING ANY BETTER


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭djhaxman


    colly10 wrote: »
    Do you really Chisora being hit flush on the chin and his trainer being hit along with having a tripod thrown at him along with Booth cutting his head was all part of the plan?
    How about Chisora being recorded saying he will shoot Haye or find him and burn him?
    Does Haye saying Chisora lost his last 3 fights not damage the contest?

    Haye is a low life and Chisora is total scum (beating his gf and spitting water in Wlad's face shows this)


    I honestly think anyone who watches this and thinks it was staged watches too much WWE. What if Chisora had his jaw broken by the punch or the tripod split someones head open, would that just add to the affect of the fight?

    And realistically, noone expected Chisora to put up a good fight last night (and a bad performance would have made a fight with Haye worthless). So if it was all planned they would have had next to no time to plan it.

    Agree with all that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭nino1


    To be fair to Haye, he had no choice but to throw the first punch.
    having seen Chisora's antics the last few days he knew that he was 100% going to get slapped/punched if he just stood there.

    I wouldn't class him anywhere near in the same league of scumbag as chisora


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    nino1 wrote: »
    To be fair to Haye, he had no choice but to throw the first punch.
    having seen Chisora's antics the last few days he knew that he was 100% going to get slapped/punched if he just stood there.

    I wouldn't class him anywhere near in the same league of scumbag as chisora



    I don't get this defence for Haye that he had to throw the first punch as Chisora was going to throw one anyway.

    The two men were face to face for a few seconds before Haye even threw the punch. Chisora went down with the microphone in his hand and he was holding the mic between himself and Haye when he threw that first puch with the bottle in his hand.

    I think both men acted like utter scumbags, but I don't buy the "Haye had to throw the first punch" comments that a few have said already, especially as Chisora had already come to a full stop before that punch was thrown.

    There are pics up online of Chisora holding the mic between them before the punch. Looks to me that Haye did not want Chisora to challenge him face to face with that mic picking up everything that was said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭corny


    Haye threw the first punch in utter frustration. I bet he'd envisaged walking in on the press conference, having everyone dance to his tune (like he's done in the past) and walking out with a September extravaganza in the bag. Didn't quite work out like that for him. Chisora and Klitschkos camp made a mockery of him (his toe, his cowardly nature etc.) and he didn't like it.

    I'm glad he showed his colours anyway. Its poetic justice that a man who forged a career through the media spotlight will have it ended by the media spotlight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭nino1


    Kess73 wrote: »
    I don't get this defence for Haye that he had to throw the first punch as Chisora was going to throw one anyway.

    The two men were face to face for a few seconds before Haye even threw the punch..

    he didn't slap vitali straight away either but he did eventually.

    you would be an idiot to just stand there and wait for him to hit you first.

    there is no way in hell chisora wan't going to punch him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    corny wrote: »
    I'm glad he showed his colours anyway. Its poetic justice that a man who forged a career through the media spotlight will have it ended by the media spotlight.
    :confused: How has Hayes career ended? In all likelihood he'll fight Chisora in the summer and make a bucketload of money. Will be favourite to win that fight and probably make an even bigger bucketload of cash against Vitali. Are you saying his career is over as in the BBBC won't renew his license? Doubt that will happen to be honest. Big fines for both men and suspended sentences I reckon.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    Two year ban from boxing for Haye would be my guess. Chisora, probably a year. The authorities have to be seen to do something, otherwise this will become the norm at these press conferences.

    The Klitschos really are being forced to scrape the barrel when they fought these bums. Surely there is even one good American Heavyweight out there.

    I thought Vitali was fighting Valuev soon as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,958 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    So if I were to rant and rave about knocking you out, and get up in middle of press conference and then rush down towards you to do so, you'd wait for me to throw the first punch?

    I wouldn't do anything that is likely to jeopardise my license to box.
    So I wouldn't follow Haye's example. The guy obviously is feeling foolish, the fact he's gone to ground.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭corny


    Pighead wrote: »
    :confused: How has Hayes career ended? In all likelihood he'll fight Chisora in the summer and make a bucketload of money. Will be favourite to win that fight and probably make an even bigger bucketload of cash against Vitali. Are you saying his career is over as in the BBBC won't renew his license? Doubt that will happen to be honest. Big fines for both men and suspended sentences I reckon.

    You never know with the money interests involved in boxing but I'd be amazed if they're not seriously admonished for that behaviour. He's guilty of serious assault ffs!


  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭minty16


    Chisora fought well against Vitali, certainly not disgraced in the ring. Haye was disgraced in the ring against Wlad and also at the conference last night. Why was he even there? Striking him in the way he did was inexcusable. Absolute coward. Chisora's comments about shooting him showed him for the scumbag that he is, but he's not a coward like David Haye.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22 Oxford_


    The bigger question has to be asked here, who let them two out of their cages?


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