Unpopular Rock and Metal Opinions?

Lithium93_ · 12-05-2014 1:05am

Say Your Number wrote: »

*Ahem*

Yeah yeah, i know it's been said before, just re-enforcing the point is all

beauf · 12-05-2014 1:10am

Ozzy was best post Sabbath when went he went solo. better songs, singing. But I don't think Zakk was good for him. They seem to find a rut and stay there.

Chimerical32 · 12-05-2014 1:27am

I can't abide by metal these days because the vocals make me want to claw my ears off. There's very little self expression. When I come across people giving out that a band isn't staying true to a genre I makes me want to puke. Screw genres. Just write music that expresses yourself and quit trying to be so heavy and crass. Only fools that need a smack think that trying to shout louder than everyone else is a form of self expression.

Mr Pseudonym · 12-05-2014 1:32am

Eddie Van Halen's solos are what stupid people think is good guitar!

the blunder years · 12-05-2014 1:36am

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

Eddie Van Halen's solos are what stupid people think is good guitar!

The wording of that is crass, his playing could be hammy at times but he is a great player. Also what's good playing and bad playing?

Burt Macklin · 12-05-2014 1:47am

Dio is a better singer than Ozzy but there's no comparison between Paranoid/Master of Reality/Vol. 4 and any Dio era Sabbath album IMHO. Or any Dio album full stop.

Metallica may be overrated, but they are still better than any extreme metal band I have ever heard.

beauf · 12-05-2014 1:58am

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

Eddie Van Halen's solos are what stupid people think is good guitar!

If you think EVH is all about technical solos, or even solos in general you're missing the point massively. There isn't a lot of soloing in general in VH.

beauf · 12-05-2014 2:04am

Burt Macklin wrote: »

Dio is a better singer than Ozzy but there's no comparison between Paranoid/Master of Reality/Vol. 4 and any Dio era Sabbath album IMHO. Or any Dio album full stop.

Metallica may be overrated, but they are still better than any extreme metal band I have ever heard.

Dio last in line for me every time.

Mr Pseudonym · 12-05-2014 2:06am

the blunder years wrote: »

The wording of that is crass, his playing could be hammy at times but he is a great player. Also what's good playing and bad playing?

The wording was also jocular.

I don't like how you phrase it - "good playing". He is undoubtedly technically brilliant.

As with all art, it's easier to say what doesn't qualify. And I would put fast playing for the sake of it in that category.

beauf wrote: »

If you think EVH is all about technical solos, or even solos in general you're missing the point massively. There isn't a lot of soloing in general in VH.

If so, like a man in orthopedic shoes...

the blunder years · 12-05-2014 2:10am

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

The wording was also jocular.

I don't like how you phrase it - "good playing". He is undoubtedly technically brilliant.

Tone's hard to gauge sometimes you know yourself. How should I phrase it so, I was simply asking what do you like. Stevie Vai's great but so what,I get where your coming from.

Mr Pseudonym · 12-05-2014 3:19am

the blunder years wrote: »

Tone's hard to gauge sometimes you know yourself. How should I phrase it so, I was simply asking what do you like. Stevie Vai's great but so what,I get where your coming from.

Personally, I'm a huge Blues fan, so generally into lead which is routed in that genre - Hendrix being the prime example. Though Hendrix was technically amazing, that's not why he's remembered.

In truth, the clip's probably taken out of context - ie it was likely a climax. But I maintain that there isn't much depth to his masturbatory playing (at least, what's seen in the clip). It's also so easy to parody: Stars 'n Stripes bandanna, smoking cigarette behind the nut, etc!

the blunder years · 12-05-2014 3:42am

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

Personally, I'm a huge Blues fan, so generally into lead which is routed in that genre - Hendrix being the prime example. Though Hendrix was technically amazing, that's not why he's remembered.

In truth, the clip's probably taken out of context - ie it was likely a climax. But I maintain that there isn't much depth to his masturbatory playing (at least, what's seen in the clip). It's also so easy to parody: Stars 'n Stripes bandanna, smoking cigarette behind the nut, etc!

I get ya, as I said before I like him but he can be incredibly hammy. As far as Hendrix I see him more as an artist than just a guitar player, Little Wing is so awesome. Apparently Yngwie Malmsteen is a great guitarist but that will never appeal to me. I'll take Stevie Ray Vaughan as an example, who I love as an artist and guitar player but he never had the songwriting ability of Hendrix. Songwriting to me is more important than technical ability.

beauf · 12-05-2014 9:30am

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

...In truth, the clip's probably taken out of context - ie it was likely a climax. But I maintain that there isn't much depth to his masturbatory playing (at least, what's seen in the clip). It's also so easy to parody: Stars 'n Stripes bandanna, smoking cigarette behind the nut, etc!

EVH relevance isn't in the technicality its the sound he creates.

I'm not sure what relevance parody has here, being a heavy smoker, and wearing bandanna is pretty common across all many players even the ones you mention. http://tinyurl.com/my5s5ra

beauf · 12-05-2014 9:34am

the blunder years wrote: »

I get ya, as I said before I like him but he can be incredibly hammy. As far as Hendrix I see him more as an artist than just a guitar player, Little Wing is so awesome. Apparently Yngwie Malmsteen is a great guitarist but that will never appeal to me. I'll take Stevie Ray Vaughan as an example, who I love as an artist and guitar player but he never had the songwriting ability of Hendrix. Songwriting to me is more important than technical ability.

My favourite Hendrix is the blues. Especially the stuff on the blues album. A lot of the other stuff I can take of leave it. Significant or not.

Nailz · 12-05-2014 9:06pm

...And Justice For All is Metallica's best album

The production on Divine Intervention by Slayer actually improves the atmosphere on the album, much more than the production on Seasons In The Abyss, which makes it sound bland. In fact I think DI is one of the most under rated albums in Metal.

Slipknot are crap live.

The Real Thing isn't even one of FNM's best three albums.

A lot of Metal nerds are among the most elitist music fans, particularly those who don't listen to other genres, and those people are generally intolerable gob****es.

Fear Factory proved they didn't need Dino with Archetype. Ray Herrera is more fitted to FF than Gene Hoglan was.

Edit: The first Queens Of The Stone Age album is BY FAR their best.

Tony EH · 12-05-2014 9:22pm

'Diabolus in Musica' is one of Slayers best albums.

GLaDOS · 12-05-2014 9:29pm

Kevin Moore > Jordan Rudess

Passenger · 12-05-2014 9:32pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Kevin Moore & Derek Sherinian > Jordan Rudess

Fyp.

Mr Pseudonym · 12-05-2014 10:22pm

the blunder years wrote: »

I get ya, as I said before I like him but he can be incredibly hammy. As far as Hendrix I see him more as an artist than just a guitar player, Little Wing is so awesome. Apparently Yngwie Malmsteen is a great guitarist but that will never appeal to me. I'll take Stevie Ray Vaughan as an example, who I love as an artist and guitar player but he never had the songwriting ability of Hendrix. Songwriting to me is more important than technical ability.

I'll give Malmsteen a listen - I've only vaguely heard of him.

Little Wing is certainly a favourite

beauf wrote: »

My favourite Hendrix is the blues. Especially the stuff on the blues album. A lot of the other stuff I can take of leave it. Significant or not.

I would be somewhat the same, although less hostile than you appear to be to his funkier stuff.

Many of my favourites of his are Blues covers:

I greatly admire that he was so willing to cover others' work.

Links234 · 12-05-2014 10:32pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Kevin Moore > Jordan Rudess

I'll add that James LaBrie's solo output is better than anything DT have done in years

Dark Artist · 12-05-2014 10:34pm

Links234 wrote: »

I'll add that James LaBrie's solo output is better than anything DT have done in years

I REALLY like LaBrie's solo stuff, but that's a fairly bold statement. So I guess you're in the right thread.

Links234 · 12-05-2014 10:44pm

Awwww yis, bringin' the controversy! :pac:

I'm serious though, Train of Thought was their last good album

GLaDOS · 12-05-2014 11:09pm

Links234 wrote: »

I'm serious though, Train of Thought was their last good album

Agree with this. Octavarium was decent, but the start of the slide.

the blunder years · 12-05-2014 11:36pm

Mr Pseudonym wrote: »

I'll give Malmsteen a listen - I've only vaguely heard of him.

I cannot condone these actions, tread lightly

Lithium93_ · 13-05-2014 12:35am

I honestly don't see what the big deal is with BABYMETAL.

OhHiMark · 13-05-2014 10:51am

Dark Artist wrote: »

I think there's a difference between people who appreciate music for what it is, and people who appreciate music for what it sounds like.

The people who appreciate music for what it is can appreciate a Disney-like Dream Theater melody because it requires more of a musical ear.

The people who appreciate music for how the sound makes them feel are less likely to appreciate melodies and changing tempos because they're looking instead for an atmosphere, specific textures, and probably lyrics that speak to them.

Protest the Hero is a good example - I can very much appreciate what they do, but to a huge chunk of metal fans they are just emo garbage, because that's what their music SOUNDS like - but it's not the real reason why they're a good band.

So my unpopular metal opinion is - if you don't at least appreciate more melodic/experimental/prog bands you are lacking a certain ear. You call them cheesy or boring because you're unable to see past their overall sound, in order to see what makes their actual compositions great.

I'm not sure if this is a satire on pretentious music fans or not.

Vaxxine · 13-05-2014 3:01pm

'Bohemian Rhapsody' is Queen's most over rated, over played song, f***in sick of hearing it on Nova

GLaDOS · 13-05-2014 8:13pm

Nova are awful for repeating the same songs over and over in fairness

Somnus · 13-05-2014 8:44pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Nova are awful for repeating the same songs over and over in fairness

They play the same stuff every single week! It's actually ridiculous. It'd be great if a station actually stepped outside the safe choices. Not that I listen to much radio, but that's probably why!

slavetothegrind · 13-05-2014 10:35pm

nova teased us big time when they started but now i think it wouldn't take long to compile there complete playlist and i don't think it would exceed 100 tracks.
HUGE disapointment and i no longer bother, radio slaved to my phone for some good music with a lot more variety

i look forward to a 4g future and tuning in to internet metal radio on the go in my car and walking!

Vaxxine · 13-05-2014 10:45pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Nova are awful for repeating the same songs over and over in fairness

Yup, that they are! Head wrecking to say the least, but it's not the repetitive play on Nova that formed my opinion of the BH, I just think it's true anyway

The song just doesn't do it for me

Mushy · 13-05-2014 11:03pm

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Kevin Moore > Jordan Rudess

I think Rudess is just more fanciful stuff, Kevin Moore was a downright genius.

Point in case...O.S.I.

blastman · 14-05-2014 11:00am

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Nova are awful for repeating the same songs over and over in fairness

Definitely not an unpopular opinion...

Links234 · 14-05-2014 12:47pm

You know, talking about the radio repeating the same things over and over, a lot of rock or metal nights in pubs etc do that too, and it's headwrecking. A DJ playing maybe the same handful of songs, and you're almost bound to hear the same few Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Slayer, Iron Maiden songs, etc. Hurray, it's Highway to Hell, what a surprise.

One of the best DJ nights I'd been to was when Alan from Primordial did one in Bruxelles, and while I didn't love everything he played or even knew what half of it was, at least it was something different instead of the usual bunch of crowdpleasers.

Passenger · 14-05-2014 2:20pm

Mushy wrote: »

I think Rudess is just more fanciful stuff, Kevin Moore was a downright genius.

Point in case...O.S.I.

Don't know if I'd use OSI as a barometer for Moore's musical genius but he certainly elevated DT beyond self-indulgence.

Links234 wrote: »

You know, talking about the radio repeating the same things over and over, a lot of rock or metal nights in pubs etc do that too, and it's headwrecking. A DJ playing maybe the same handful of songs, and you're almost bound to hear the same few Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Slayer, Iron Maiden songs, etc. Hurray, it's Highway to Hell, what a surprise.

One of the best DJ nights I'd been to was when Alan from Primordial did one in Bruxelles, and while I didn't love everything he played or even knew what half of it was, at least it was something different instead of the usual bunch of crowdpleasers.

Easily known you don't have to drink there on a regular basis. :pac: It gets tiresome, trust me. He plays whatever he wants to hear, not what the crowd want to hear and therefore a lot of people know to avoid it when he's DJing. But I'm sure that it might appear refreshing if you only experience it now and again. The reason the same old Metal standards are trotted out by DJ's is because sadly it's what the crowd want to hear. There was a time when I would agree with you wholeheartedly, Links but I was resident DJ in a Dublin Rock Bar for years and while I had great intentions to play the most eclectic playlist I could I would inevitably be bombarded for requests for "AC/DC, G'N R, Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Maiden, Alice In Chains, Judas Priest, etc." So I gave them what they wanted and that's what most DJ's do. You try to shake up the playlist by playing a few obscure songs or maybe less obvious tracks by well known bands but a lot of it goes over people's heads tbh when they simply want to Rock out, air guitar and enjoy their pints.

slavetothegrind wrote: »

nova teased us big time when they started but now i think it wouldn't take long to compile there complete playlist and i don't think it would exceed 100 tracks.

It humours me a little the amount of Rockers who actually bother with this radio station. What makes it a 'Rock' radio station exactly, the Iron Maiden font?

Dark Artist · 14-05-2014 8:15pm

OhHiMark wrote: »

I'm not sure if this is a satire on pretentious music fans or not.

Embarrassingly enough for me, I was being serious. This is just an observation I've made over the years. It's the fundamental reason why some people will never get into a particular song no matter how many times you make them listen to it. They're looking for different things in that song than you. You haven't noticed how people who have a better grasp of music theory are more likely to enjoy more technical music? How people who are tone deaf are more likely to listen to Bob Dylan?

stefan idiot jones · 15-05-2014 8:31am

Iron Maiden don't need three guitarists.

Korn. What is the point?

Chili Peppers. Only two albums worthwhile. Blood, Sugar.... and Calfornication are superb but the rest are so poor in comparison.

Death Angel piss all over the Big 4. (Obviously not Slayer though)

Links234 · 15-05-2014 11:20am

Passenger wrote: »

Easily known you don't have to drink there on a regular basis. :pac: It gets tiresome, trust me. He plays whatever he wants to hear, not what the crowd want to hear and therefore a lot of people know to avoid it when he's DJing. But I'm sure that it might appear refreshing if you only experience it now and again. The reason the same old Metal standards are trotted out by DJ's is because sadly it's what the crowd want to hear. There was a time when I would agree with you wholeheartedly, Links but I was resident DJ in a Dublin Rock Bar for years and while I had great intentions to play the most eclectic playlist I could I would inevitably be bombarded for requests for "AC/DC, G'N R, Metallica, Slayer, Pantera, Maiden, Alice In Chains, Judas Priest, etc." So I gave them what they wanted and that's what most DJ's do. You try to shake up the playlist by playing a few obscure songs or maybe less obvious tracks by well known bands but a lot of it goes over people's heads tbh when they simply want to Rock out, air guitar and enjoy their pints.

No, I'd definitely not be a regular drinker there alright, only pop in there after a gig or something. I do understand why the usual stuff gets played all the time, and that there's a demand for it... but god damn does it ever get annoying hearing the same songs over and over from venue to venue, the only difference being the order they're played in.

Lithium93_ · 15-05-2014 6:31pm

THE BIG 4 of thrash metal should've been THE BIG 5

Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus, Anthrax

Say Your Number · 15-05-2014 9:49pm

Stone Sour are far superior to Slipknot.

Risk by Megadeth isn't a bad album.

Airbourne are one of the best bands of this generation.

Kess73 · 16-05-2014 12:04am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

THE BIG 4 of thrash metal should've been THE BIG 5

Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus Testament, Anthrax

:pac::pac:

Lithium93_ · 16-05-2014 12:08am

I'll revise it, THE BIG 4 should've been The BIG 6.

Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Testament, Exodus

stefan idiot jones · 16-05-2014 12:26am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I'll revise it, THE BIG 4 should've been The BIG 6.

Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Testament, Exodus

The Real Big 5

Slayer, Death Angel, Metallica, BabyMetal, Megadeth.

Lithium93_ · 16-05-2014 12:29am

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

The Real Big 5

Slayer, Death Angel, Metallica, BabyMetal, Megadeth.

GLaDOS · 16-05-2014 9:30am

I prefer The Call of Ktulu over Orion

Motley Crue · 16-05-2014 7:07pm

I've never liked Nirvana

I believe Jerry Cantrell is the brains behind Alice In Chains and that Layne Staley, a few noteable songs aside, was overrated in comparison to the likes of Andrew Wood and Mike Morris

DazMarz · 17-05-2014 1:51am

Glam metal is awesome; yes, it did decline towards the end of the 1980's (sticking to a formula that became stale), but for a lot of the time it was good-time, rabble-rousing, FUN music. At the end of it, isn't that what most of us listen to music for? For a bit of fun??? Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that some musicians take themselves a bit too seriously and the odd song about fast cars or tits ain't a bad thing.

Turbo by Judas Priest is a cracking album (but Ram It Down is pretty shítty)

I find that a lot of Metallica's 1980's works are a bit too masturbatory and don't really "get" them. I much prefer Megadeth.

Megadeth's 1980's output (Killing Is My Business... And Business Is Good, Peace Sells... But Who's Buying??? and So Far... So Good... So What???) is superior (in my own opinion, of course!) to Metallica's output of the same era. Similarly, Rust In Peace pisses all over Black Album. As does Countdown To Extinction.

Operation: Mindcrime is the best metal concept album ever. Ever.

W.A.S.P. are criminally underrated; The Headless Children and The Crimson Idol are two incredible albums that do not get as much praise as they are due.

Dokken are one of the best bands to come out of Los Angeles in the 1980's and never got the recognition or praise they deserved. George Lynch is a guitar god.

British Steel is a very overrated album.

Michael Schenker's solo output is vastly superior to anything he did with UFO.

Europe are a brilliant band with some excellent albums, including the (in)famous The Final Countdown; the title track alone makes me wish I had Clearasil-clear vocals and a fluffy blond perm...

Yngwie Malmsteen is overrated in the extreme. Technically brilliant and visually spectacular, but lacking soul and cannot write a song to save his fúcking life.

Autograph are one of the most underrated bands of the 1980's.

EZO from Japan deserved to break big. Cracking albums released in 1987 and 1989, but never broke into the market.

While a great album, Appetite For Destruction is so overrated. Sure, it was a groundbreaking moment, but at the same time it has dated pretty badly and there are much better, grimier albums out there.

On that point, the L.A. Guns were better than Guns N Roses.

White Lion are a class band with Vito Bratta being one of the best guitarists of the 1980's.

Winger are a good band with some cracking pop-metal tunes.

yes, I'm biased towards anything from the 1980's...

Mar Mar Marmalade · 17-05-2014 2:10am

Ramones are overrated.

Clash are better than The Sex Pistols.

Rock music is too mainstream/clean/poppy/soft nowadays

I like and hate Billy Corgan at the same time.

The Strypes (as much as I love the whole 'mod' look brought back) are a Rolling Stones rip off.

Emo music died in the 90's.

(And speaking of) Sunny Day Real Estate are one of the most underrated bands of the 90's.

My Bloody Valentine and the 'shoegaze' scene is underrated.

'The Hunter' by Mastodon is a boring album.

I find James Hetfield's singing whiny and annoying on Metallica's recent albums.

And Blur is better than Oasis

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Mr. CooL ICE · 17-05-2014 10:38am

I think Primordial are highly overrated

They have a great frontman and an interesting sound... but that's it. Once you have heard one 'song' you have heard them all.

Lithium93_ · 18-05-2014 12:57am

Mick Mars doesn't get the recognition he deserves as a guitar player..

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