Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Pitched battle in Tallaght

2»

Comments

  • #52
    120_Minutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭120_Minutes


    this is why we cant have nice things, weather included.


  • #53
    rondeco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭rondeco


    space_man wrote: »
    some type of turf war maybe.

    on a global scale?
    I wanna hear both sides of the tale..


  • #54
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    FTA69 wrote: »
    http://tvgcork.ie/site/?page_id=9

    Involved in advocacy, childcare, health work, drug and alcohol awareness, mediation and organising training schemes.

    They also work hard in trying to break down barriers between Travellers and the wider community. Important work when considering the thick ignorant attitudes held by people like yourself.


    That links seems to be more about a group of women travellers who set up the group to help other travellers. Not really a big help to society or a community at large really. Your link in particular is about a creche for traveller families. I'd prefer to have a better link if it' available about travellers helping society or a larger part of the community rather than jsut themselves.

    Here's the aims of your site:
    Aims of the TVG:

    1. Continue to promote Travellers as a nomadic ethnic group, with its own distinctive culture and lifestyles.
    2. Continue to promote Traveller self-determination and empowerment (enabling Travellers to make decisions and work in a collective way to bring about real change in their lives).
    3. Continue to work for real change and improvement in Travellers’ lives including the areas of education, accommodation, health, and employment / work and rights.
    4. To challenge discrimination and racism against Travellers.
    5. Continue to ensure the inclusion of Traveller issues and resource the real participation of Travellers in policy decisions and practices that affect their lives.
    6. Develop a suitable, well-resourced Travellers’ Centre and Crèche.
    7. Develop the TVG’s management, administrative and staff structures and procedures.
    8. Promote mutual understanding, acceptance and support between Travellers and others in Irish Society
    9. Network links locally, regionally and nationally,
    10. Carry out research on the circumstances of Travellers in Cork and contribute to national research, which will inform the TVG’s work.

    http://tvgcork.ie/site/?page_id=2


  • #55
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    this thread has aroused some reactionary, biased, hateful and violent reactions.
    and we look down our noses on the protaganists involved in Tallaght?:o


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    biko wrote: »
    It'd be interesting to hear what they were fighting over.


    The benefits of having a beard .


  • #57
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    BaZmO* wrote: »
    Not true. It's actually becoming a safer place. The reporting of violent crime however.......



    According to trends over the last few centuries it'll be an even safer place.


    the point i was going to make about it being overly reported and how it results in people having a bloodlust is too off topic for this thread so i'll leave it for now.

    im not saying it's just ireland to be fair, it's a world issue. the WORLD is becoming a more violent place, or more to the point a place where extreme violence is slowly but surely becoming more accepted.


  • #58
    BigBrownBear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭BigBrownBear


    This actually happened last week so its not exactly 'hot off the presses'.
    More like somebody desperate to start a fresh 'scumbag' thread


  • #59
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    space_man wrote: »
    well the foreigner being ignorant of the rich traveller culture might have naiively transgressed in some way, leading to this unfortunate fracas.

    foreigners if they wish to settle here, should as a courtesy educate themselves about these things, otherwise i can more of these incidents.

    ....or you know, maybe the travellers should have found another way to express their disquiet over whatever this imagined cultural transgression might have been without resorting to violence.

    That is a very weak justification for what you are postulating may or may not have happened.

    It is only correct to recognise that interpersonal violence is part of the traveller culture, fighting as a dispute resolution mechanism is heavily ingrained in their culture.

    Do we decide that because it is part of their culture we should accept it and tolerate it or do we outline that it is not acceptable in a 21st democracy and expect that they find other ways to resolve conflict.


  • #60
    bazza1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭bazza1


    I wonder why our A + E's are so busy? Still, I suppose the HSE collected the €100 charge for each visitor...oh wait a minute......:D


  • Advertisement
  • #61
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    I've been reading about the warm weather there. I wonder if this is why there is an escalation in confrontations lately.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/07/how-severe-link-between-hot-weather-and-violence/40325/


  • #62
    BaZmO*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭BaZmO*


    frank reynolds wrote: »
    im not saying it's just ireland to be fair, it's a world issue. the WORLD is becoming a more violent place, or more to the point a place where extreme violence is slowly but surely becoming more accepted.

    It's not though, unless you can provide me with links to say otherwise?

    Here's an example of what I was talking about. Taken from the Herald.ie (where the original story was taken from), it's the Top 5 Most Read Stories.
    1. Hospital terror as gang thugs battle in front of patients
    2. Christy Dignam amazes VIP guests
    3. Gangster's home shot up in 2am revenge attack
    4. Gardai quiz murder suspect
    5. Girl (10) savaged in horror dog attack

    See a pattern there?


  • #63
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    I am pie wrote: »
    ....or you know, maybe the travellers should have found another way to express their disquiet over whatever this imagined cultural transgression might have been without resorting to violence.

    That is a very weak justification for what you are postulating may or may not have happened.

    It is only correct to recognise that interpersonal violence is part of the traveller culture, fighting as a dispute resolution mechanism is heavily ingrained in their culture.

    Do we decide that because it is part of their culture we should accept it and tolerate it or do we outline that it is not acceptable in a 21st democracy and expect that they find other ways to resolve conflict.

    your entire argument is based on the travellers having initiated the violence.
    you have no way of knowing this.
    maybe it was the foreigner?


  • #64
    asdfg!
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭asdfg!


    FTA69 wrote: »
    http://tvgcork.ie/site/?page_id=9

    Involved in advocacy, childcare, health work, drug and alcohol awareness, mediation and organising training schemes.

    They also work hard in trying to break down barriers between Travellers and the wider community. Important work when considering the thick ignorant attitudes held by people like yourself.
    All very laudable but for most of the 'wider community' contacts with Traveller culture are not always positive. No amount of well meaning work to break down the barriers will change that unless Traveller culture changes for the better.

    We're not allowed to criticise this 'culture' on boards or anywhere else anymore. But you'd have to be living under a rock if you haven't witnessed aspects of this culture in action on any give day.


  • #65
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    crazygeryy wrote: »
    there s loads of proof that they contribute something to THEIR Community. but none that they contribute to society. unless you have some do you?

    Does winning Olympic medals for Ireland count?


  • #66
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    My money is on one group having trespassed on the other group's illegal activities.

    Seriously though, I'd like to see hospitals be able to turf people like that out, regardless of wealth, status, race, or creed. "Oh, you're starting a fight in the A&E? You obviously don't need medical attention so. Now fúck off so I can save someone who deserves it."


  • Advertisement
  • #67
    frank reynolds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 404 ✭✭frank reynolds


    space_man wrote: »
    your entire argument is based on the travellers having initiated the violence.
    you have no way of knowing this.
    maybe it was the foreigner?

    Space man, YOU are the only one who keeps telling people that the travellers started it.

    are you sure you are able to understand what you are reading correctly?

    you are definitely a troll.


  • #68
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    They have plenty of drink in Netherlands and Belgium and this is a very rare sight
    Amsterdams tourist centre is heavily policed, trouble doesn't kick off in the middle of Amsterdam. Last time I was there I decided to go down to Rotterdam and it has like a completely different country, I went around a corner at one stage to be confronted with two gangs of youths kicking the crap out of each other right in the centre of the city. I'd never seen anything like it anywhere.

    In the UK soccer fans get police escorts to matches to ensure things don't kick off between normal tax paying citizens.

    What happens in Ireland is mickey mouse stuff compared to what goes on in bigger countries.


  • #69
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Anyone know who won?


  • #70
    space_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭space_man


    asdfg! wrote: »
    All very laudable but for most of the 'wider community' contacts with Traveller culture are not always positive. No amount of well meaning work to break down the barriers will change that unless Traveller culture changes for the better.

    We're not allowed to criticise this 'culture' on boards or anywhere else anymore. But you'd have to be living under a rock if you haven't witnessed aspects of this culture in action on any give day.

    there are travellers living close to my hometown and i have not witnessed this proclivity for violence you refer to.
    the violence is largely confined to the settled community.


  • #71
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    My odd perspective. Be thankful that Ireland is not a gun-heavy culture or there would have been many, many deaths. And not just those engaged in the confrontation, but many innocent residents would have been killed by stray bullets. Then again, in my gun-heavy culture, we really don't have full-scale gang confrontations like this. Most gang-related individuals (assuming these are criminal gangs) will just run up, shoot, and run off.


  • Advertisement
  • #72
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Yawns wrote: »
    That links seems to be more about a group of women travellers who set up the group to help other travellers. Not really a big help to society or a community at large really.

    By your logic so we can say that disability groups, single-mother groups, women's groups, immigrant groups and mental health groups aren't "a big help to society" because they predominantly cater for a specific section of society (usually one discriminated against or underrepresented.)

    "Sure Aware are only useless, they only look after the depressed!"

    A community is made of many different people and different groups of people who often have different needs. Groups like the TVG are helping women from a particular background to get into training, providing much-needed childcare as well as doing a raft of other coal-face community work. That in itself is a help to society. Unless of course Travellers aren't part of society?
    Your link in particular is about a creche for traveller families. I'd prefer to have a better link if it' available about travellers helping society or a larger part of the community rather than jsut themselves.

    http://tvgcork.ie/site/images/1.jpg

    Not for Travellers only as you can see by the photo above.

    Having lived in Cork and being familiar with the TVG they are also involved in various community group forums and tie in with a load of other groups and projects. They aren't exclusionary.


  • #73
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    space_man wrote: »
    your entire argument is based on the travellers having initiated the violence.
    you have no way of knowing this.
    maybe it was the foreigner?

    No, my response is based on this

    "well the foreigner being ignorant of the rich traveller culture might have naiively transgressed in some way, leading to this unfortunate fracas"

    Which you posted.

    You suggested it might have been the foreigners fault, I suggested that, regardless of who insulted who, violence is not acceptable.

    Your gist seems to be that anyone turning up in Ireland better familiarise themselves with traveller culture otherwise it'll be their fault if they get a kicking once they say they wrong thing?


  • #74
    Yawns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭Yawns


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Having lived in Cork and being familiar with the TVG they are also involved in various community group forums and tie in with a load of other groups and projects. They aren't exclusionary.

    Very well, I take your word for it and apologise. From the quick read I gave the website, it struck me as a traveller only group that didn't seem to cater to others.


  • #75
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    A round and volley of infractions / bans handed out.

    I think it best to leave it at that.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement