Oculus Rift

Fnz · 22-01-2013 11:09pm

Apparently good for cockpit games - ones where you don't get the inclination to start walking 'yourself'.

ShadowHearth · 22-01-2013 11:10pm

Fnz wrote: »

Apparently good for cockpit games - ones where you don't get the inclination to start walking 'yourself'.

Hawken+ oculus rift anyone?

Azza · 23-01-2013 12:03am

I here Hawken isn't that great too play though.

Squidwert · 23-01-2013 2:20am

I have Hawken It's not great imo.

Games that will be supported at the dev kit launch by the Vireio Perception software:(Free software)

- Left 4 Dead
- Half-Life 2
- Portal 2
- Skyrim
- Mirror's Edge
- AaaaAAAAA!!!!!!!!
- Unreal Tournament 3
- Dear Esther
- DiRT 2

VorpX says: Supports DirectX9, 10 and 11 titles. About 40 games are supported already, including Crysis, Bioshock, Skyrim, Fallout 3, COD: Black Ops and many, many more. Even more to come. Detailed information on initially supported games follows as soon as the website is up (most likely mid February). Also many other developer's to get there top game's ready for the rift

jumbobreakfast · 23-01-2013 10:40am

Arma 2 would be great as head movement is already part of the game. Getting a good framerate in arma is a problem though. What's the required framerate for oculus rift to work effectively? (bearing in mind that it has to be displayed on two screens)

balkieb2002 · 23-01-2013 11:25am

Looking through that list of the games that already support it, has gotten me more exicted about it.
Portal 2/Mirrors Edge would be a mindfúcks!

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

Arma 2 would be great as head movement is already part of the game. Getting a good framerate in arma is a problem though. What's the required framerate for oculus rift to work effectively? (bearing in mind that it has to be displayed on two screens)

In that above video, the guy who was demoing it was saying that the game has to run at 60FPS with V-Sync enabled.

Once your PC could run the required game with the above you should be good to go. Your machine would need to be able to run the game initially on fairly high settings to get the best out of it.

jumbobreakfast · 23-01-2013 11:35am

Thanks but the trouble is that Arma 2 is fairly inefficient and doesnt run at 60fps even on an i7 overclocked beyond 4GHz (it barely loads modern GPUs). Arma 3 is meant to be out later this year though which should be more efficient. I guess both screens on the oculus are offset to give a stereo view so the PC would have to be capable of running both screens at 60fps each so effectively it needs 120fps?

Squidwert · 23-01-2013 11:37am

If you can run a game faster than the 60fps then they said it's a far better experience. Having Vsync enabled does create controller lag so i dont think i'll be using it and If the fps drop below 60 i dont think it going to be a problem. it's not like 3D vision where you really notice when the frame rate drops, games are still very playable.

ShadowHearth · 23-01-2013 11:38am

What's wrong with hawken? It's great, it would work very cool with oculus rift.

Outkast_IRE · 23-01-2013 11:40am

Am i right in thinking there is no set date for a consumer version yet ?

Squidwert · 23-01-2013 11:48am

ShadowHearth wrote: »

What's wrong with hawken? It's great, it would work very cool with oculus rift.

Just imo It's ok, With 3D vision the battle area's look blur'y the cockpit's look 2D. But i did not play it much i'll give it another go, just a bit disappointed with how it looks

and no ETA on the consumer version yet.

balkieb2002 · 23-01-2013 11:49am

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

I guess both screens on the oculus are offset to give a stereo view so the PC would have to be capable of running both screens at 60fps each so effectively it needs 120fps?

Not sure how it work really but from the video it looks like the same image split in two so would only need 30 for each and then magically joins them together to make the 60

Squidwert wrote: »

If you can run a game faster than the 60fps then they said it's a far better experience. Having Vsync enabled does create controller lag so i dont think i'll be using it and If the fps drop below 60 i dont think it going to be a problem. it's not like 3D vision where you really notice when the frame rate drops, games are still very playable.

Yeah when I heard him mention VSync I wasn't happy as I nearly always turn this off when I'm playing. He did mention though that having it off would have a bad effect on the expierience (probably screen tearing). Might be something do with how the headset reads the image from the PC.

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Am i right in thinking there is no set date for a consumer version yet ?

Well the developer kit is realased in a couple of months time so I think they are waiting for feedback from those developers on how to improve the device before actually releasing a consumer version (or giving a price/date).

Squidwert · 23-01-2013 12:05pm

balkieb2002 wrote: »

Not sure how it work really but from the video it looks like the same image split in two so would only need 30 for each and then magically joins them together to make the 60

each eye get's 60fps. they are trying to get a 120hz 1080p display for the consumer unit. so if your computer can run it at 120fps each eye can get 120fps. It's not like 3D vision

grizzly · 23-01-2013 12:21pm

I remember hearing in the video that to get everything working together 60fps/stereo/demanding game they needed a 680 card. Saying that the tech is just catching up to make it all posible.

Squidwert · 23-01-2013 12:26pm

grizzly wrote: »

I remember hearing in the video that to get everything working together 60fps/stereo/demanding game they needed a 680 card. Saying that the tech is just catching up to make it all posible.

LOL i better get saving so. My gtx470 mite struggle but i'm still getting it

grizzly · 23-01-2013 12:39pm

Squidwert wrote: »

LOL i better get saving so. My gtx470 mite struggle but i'm still getting it

I'd say you've enough time to, can't see it getting a commercial release until at least summer 2014.

o1s1n · 23-01-2013 1:07pm

grizzly wrote: »

I'd say you've enough time to, can't see it getting a commercial release until at least summer 2014.

This may be wishful thinking, but I don't think they'll wait that long.

It's a completely untapped market and one which will be set to make them a lot of money if they get in first and do it right.

The longer they wait, the longer the dev units will be in the hands and under the scrutiny of competitors.

jumbobreakfast · 23-01-2013 6:14pm

grizzly wrote: »

I remember hearing in the video that to get everything working together 60fps/stereo/demanding game they needed a 680 card. Saying that the tech is just catching up to make it all posible.

I'm just curious about the specs (forgive the pun) and I'd imagine that framerate is important to avoid motion sickness. I would have thought that both screens would have to run at 60fps each and render a different view of the environment so that makes 120fps coming out of the grpahics card but I'm just speculating. Ont he upside, I doubt that games will have to have AAA title graphics to be immersive so even something basic like Minecraft would work quite well

Squidwert · 23-01-2013 6:45pm

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

I'm just curious about the specs (forgive the pun) and I'd imagine that framerate is important to avoid motion sickness. I would have thought that both screens would have to run at 60fps each and render a different view of the environment so that makes 120fps coming out of the grpahics card but I'm just speculating. Ont he upside, I doubt that games will have to have AAA title graphics to be immersive so even something basic like Minecraft would work quite well

Games where you are sitting like flight and racing sim's i think would be best suited for the rift. there is only one screen split into 2 1920x1080 7" screen in the consumer version of the Rift would be 2x 960x1080 screens

A dev kit pic of how the screen looks 1024x681
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Icyseanfitz · 23-01-2013 11:29pm

the more i read about this the more excited i get, hopefully they will keep it at reasonable money instead of getting greedy with a crazy price tag

Squidwert · 23-01-2013 11:31pm

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

the more i read about this the more excited i get, hopefully they will keep it at reasonable money instead of getting greedy with a crazy price tag

they said $300 so i'd be very happy to pay that.:)

Icyseanfitz · 24-01-2013 2:57am

Yeah thats a good price, id easily pay that

24-01-2013 3:26am

Throw in a good pair of noise dampening head phones and games such as Metro 2033 will take on a whole new level of awesome.

grizzly · 24-01-2013 4:09pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Throw in a good pair of noise dampening head phones and games such as Metro 2033 will take on a whole new level of awesome.

Also, wouldn't it be cool if, in future, they could integrate in an xbox kinect to mirror your arm movements in the game world. Think of boxing games etc Might be a little tiring for Minecraft :pac:

24-01-2013 4:21pm

grizzly wrote: »

Also, wouldn't it be cool if, in future, they could integrate in an xbox kinect to mirror your arm movements in the game world. Think of boxing games etc Might be a little tiring for Minecraft :pac:

I'd much prefer to see it utilised with something like the PlayStation Move and the gun. Playing a FPS with it is genuinely fun and far more impressive a use of the tech than the Kinect which is one of the most useless things I've ever used. I think that since getting a Kinect I've tried a dozen games and not one of them has gotten a second play, in fact were it not for the voice commands I'd most likely have it boxed away.

balkieb2002 · 24-01-2013 4:42pm

Deleted User wrote:

Throw in a good pair of noise dampening head phones and games such as Metro 2033 will take on a whole new level of awesome

I bought a pair of Sony Pulse headphones recently which would do very nicely with the Oculus so that the sound sorted. Plus had the added benefit of feeling the explosions etc.

grizzly wrote: »

Also, wouldn't it be cool if, in future, they could integrate in an xbox kinect to mirror your arm movements in the game world. Think of boxing games etc Might be a little tiring for Minecraft :pac:

Really need some kind of full body force-feedback though so you feel every hit. Make you really feel like your in the game.

Squidwert · 24-01-2013 6:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd much prefer to see it utilised with something like the PlayStation Move and the gun. Playing a FPS with it is genuinely fun and far more impressive a use of the tech than the Kinect which is one of the most useless things I've ever used. I think that since getting a Kinect I've tried a dozen games and not one of them has gotten a second play, in fact were it not for the voice commands I'd most likely have it boxed away.

Or maybe with this https://leapmotion.com/

Icyseanfitz · 25-01-2013 12:24am

what we need is some sort of brain controller thingy ma jig, dont ask me how it would work, but thats what vr needs,

i suppose a more feasible method would be gloves with motion tracking and touch buttons on the finger tips, touch your index with your tumb in the left hand to run, vision panning with oculus, aim with right hand etc.

Canis Lupus · 25-01-2013 12:33am

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

what we need is some sort of brain controller thingy ma jig, dont ask me how it would work, but thats what vr needs

Screw your brain controller. Think bigger like The Matrix/Total Recall.

Headshot · 25-01-2013 12:36am

No we need a VR Troopers suit

Icyseanfitz · 25-01-2013 12:37am

god i hope i live to see proper VR

its been a dream of mine (probably all core gamers) since i started gaming

Canis Lupus · 25-01-2013 12:54am

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

god i hope i live to see proper VR its been a dream of mine (probably all core gamers) since i started gaming

mmmmm Kira Nerys in the holodeck...

Fnz · 25-01-2013 4:35am

Canis Lupus wrote: »

mmmmm Kira Nerys in the holodeck...

... with the lead pipe?

Cluedo humour, nothing filthy!

Also,

Ezri Dax... with the lead pipe.

Squidwert · 25-01-2013 9:32am

Found this nice looking controller which would be great for FPS.

ForceTek recently demonstrated the arm-controller part of the upcoming XIO system at E3.

The full XIO system (pronounced zee-oh) is planned to cover the whole body and uses “advanced exoskeleton technology to provide the player with different responses based on body position, speed of movement, and other sensed data.”

The XIO system, originally developed for medical physiotherapy, will not only measure the exact location of the player’s limbs, like Microsoft’s E3-revealed Kinect motion controller, but additionally incorporates a number of servos to provide tactile feedback and movement resistance.

The company claims that the arm unit is already an effective motion controller for games even without software support. ForceTek are also hoping for eventual developer support to enable much more interactive feedback.

The device shown at E3 was decidedly prototype looking and there are plenty of unanswered questions about eventual cost and practicality.

Yet with the XIO slated for 2011, gamers will already have had considerable experience with full body motion control so perhaps taking it to the next step won’t, by then, be entirely as farfetched as Ripley’s “loader”.

25-01-2013 9:41am

What I like about the Rift is that its simple to use. Like the PS Move you can sit comfortably in your chair and relax. There's no need to clear space to play and as cool as the above device looks I just don't see it being worth the hassle. Sure it may be fun and I know I'd try it out but using something like the PS Move and Sharpshooter seems far more preferable given its simplicity.

Squidwert · 25-01-2013 10:49am

Deleted User wrote: »

What I like about the Rift is that its simple to use. Like the PS Move you can sit comfortably in your chair and relax. There's no need to clear space to play and as cool as the above device looks I just don't see it being worth the hassle. Sure it may be fun and I know I'd try it out but using something like the PS Move and Sharpshooter seems far more preferable given its simplicity.

Yea you're right the PS move is good and very accurate. With Arma 3 out at the end of the year(hopefully) and with the with the racing and flight sim's i play i'll be selling my projector for this.

balkieb2002 · 25-01-2013 11:00am

Using something like the Move/Sharpshooter would be more imersive but would not have an issue with aiming i.e. where you actually pointing the thing as you won't be able to see?

jumbobreakfast · 25-01-2013 12:55pm

Squidwert wrote: »

Games where you are sitting like flight and racing sim's i think would be best suited for the rift. there is only one screen split into 2 1920x1080 7" screen in the consumer version of the Rift would be 2x 960x1080 screens

Thanks, that makes it more clear. It's 60 fps but each eye gets a different image so effectively the graphics card has to be able to process 120 frames per second to give each side a slightly different view. But since the number of pixels is halved it wouldnt be as taxing as current 3D on 720p or 1080p which requires 120fps on a full screen.

Squidwert · 25-01-2013 11:28pm

jumbobreakfast wrote: »

Thanks, that makes it more clear. It's 60 fps but each eye gets a different image so effectively the graphics card has to be able to process 120 frames per second to give each side a slightly different view. But since the number of pixels is halved it wouldnt be as taxing as current 3D on 720p or 1080p which requires 120fps on a full screen.

Yea your brain works out all the 3D stuff like in real life. Some game's like battlefield 3 I'd find it hard to push 120fps but might be able to do it with the lower resolution. but the Flight and racing sims i play at about 200fps (if not using 3D) so i'm hoping i can get 100fps for a better experience.

Icyseanfitz · 27-01-2013 1:36am

i am honestly more excited for this than any of the new consoles, hopefully we will start to hear a lot more about it in the coming months

jumbobreakfast · 27-01-2013 5:59pm

Dean Hall who created DayZ talked a little about the Oculus Rift and the problems in getting it working in DayZ Standalone and Arma 3. For anyone who hasnt played them, the Arma games allow you to turn your head around while while on foot as well as while driving (unlike most first person games where your body turns as you look around). Arma already supports TrackIR but he mentions how keeping a steady 60 FPS is the biggest challenge to getting Oculus Rift working: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcJwrBfwxg&feature=youtu.be&t=8m6s

Icyseanfitz · 27-01-2013 8:31pm

he seemed to think it was good, its just trying to get the game locked at 60fps thats the big issue, i think i read that the only reason their finally able to make something like the oculus rift these days is because the gpu's etc. have finally gotten powerful enough to do it properly, id take minecraft level VR over a better looking game on a standard tv any day

Headshot · 11-02-2013 3:18pm

wow this looks superb

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/11/half-life-2/

balkieb2002 · 11-02-2013 3:35pm

Headshot wrote: »

wow this looks superb

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/11/half-life-2/

Me want now!!!

Pushtrak · 27-02-2013 5:31pm

Crysis now has Oculus Rift support thanks to a mod.

o1s1n · 27-02-2013 7:29pm

Headshot wrote: »

wow this looks superb

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/11/half-life-2/

TAKE MY MONEY!

/Edit - I keep looking at the rift dev kit and really want to get one. The only thing holding me back at the moment is minimum specs. I've a laptop with an i5, 6gb of RAM and a nVidia 450m - seems to be giving me about 120fps in HL2.

My PC hardware knowledge is seriously behind the times though, do you reckon I've any hope in running something like Doom 3 BFG in the Rift at a level which won't make me vomit? The minimum spec requirements listed for it are all very vague.

Squidwert · 27-02-2013 10:35pm

Pushtrak · 12-03-2013 12:32pm

I guess it was bound to happen eventually.

lmimmfn · 26-03-2013 1:56am

just a few more weeks until i finally get my hands on this, the new UDK integration looks like it will be good.

Gamespot @ GDC with the rift - http://www.gamespot.com/events/gdc-2013/video.html?sid=6405910

Headshot · 26-03-2013 1:58am

lmimmfn wrote: »

just a few more weeks until i finally get my hands on this, the new UDK integration looks like it will be good.

Gamespot @ GDC with the rift - http://www.gamespot.com/events/gdc-2013/video.html?sid=6405910

I hope your report back your experiences you lucky fecker

Oculus Rift

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