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Intruder Alarm Questions and Answers

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    It is an Astec system
    Call engineer 14 is telling you there is a tamper condition on that zone.
    Enter clear set full & the system should indicate which zone the problem is with.
    Check that zone & you will probobly find a sensor lid loose or knocked off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 147 ✭✭cpstears


    Got the following quotation for a domestic alarm setup was wondering how the setup faired and what the quoted price is like?

    Quote;
    HKC control panel, Battery back up, Remote keypad, External bell, Internal sounder, 1x PIR, 8x sensors, 3x MC contacts, GSM panel, Certified Installation.
    Total Price: €1398


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Not a bad Price, Maybe around €150 on the dear side. HKC is a little dated now. I would be looking for maybe the Signet with web access for that price.
    When you say GSM Panel do you mean a text dialler??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 147 ✭✭cpstears


    Yeah thats it. Got quoted from a different company for the europlex signet for 895


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Make sure its the SigNet 300. Otherwise there is no IP access


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  • Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭shamcfc


    where would one buy a hkc system


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭fishdog


    where would one buy a hkc system

    There are lots of places you can buy them from. I use Euroslaes in Sandyford ind. est. (01 2941802)

    They provide a great service, good prices and free delivery (within reason) even if you dont have an account.

    I find the Astec Global sensors work best with this system (01 6704202).

    There are other good sensors out there, but these are easy to connect and very reliable.


    Good luck with it!!


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    shamcfc wrote: »
    where would one buy a hkc system
    Most good security wholesalers. Keep away from electrical wholesalers , in my experience they tend to be dearer in my experience. If your paying cash dont be afraid to haggle. All these places are hungry for business at the moment. If your thinking of the HKC also check out the new Astec Fusion (the numbers in fishdogs post above) its around the same price as the HKC but has much more features.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 sig226


    Most good security wholesalers
    Like where, in the Dublin area???

    Thanks in advance!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    Where in Dublin are you based and we'll point you to the nearest one


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    sig226 wrote: »
    Like where, in the Dublin area???

    Thanks in advance!
    If you going for Astec
    Unit 31,
    IDA Centre,
    Pearse Street,
    Dubin 2,
    Ireland.

    Phone: +353-1-670 4201

    or

    Reliable Security Products Ltd - Units 2 & 3 - Cian Park Industrial Estate - Drumcondra - Dublin 9 - Ireland
    Phone: + 353 1 837 2445 Fax: + 353 1 857 1685
    or

    Phelan Security Systems Ltd. T: 00353 1 8571404


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Matamoros


    My alarm is showing a battery fault on it's display but seems to be working properly, what battery is this and can I replace it myself? Cheers in advance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20 def345


    This is what happened to mine. This is the battery the alarm uses if the power goes / is cut.
    It is a rechargeable battery designed for just sitting there without much use. I got a replacement for mine in maplins, and there are a few posts on here about how to replace it. (what order to disconnect / re connect things) I'm assuming yours is a few years old, as they should last quite a while. (my original one lasted nearly 10 yrs) I would strongly suggest to have it replaced (either by yourself or professional if you are not DIY inclined) before it goes altogether as mine did and that's when my problems started ;)
    Someone will correct me, but I think they are rated in milli Amp per hour, and you can get your rating from the manual, or usually from the battery itself.
    Good luck.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Matamoros wrote: »
    My alarm is showing a battery fault on it's display but seems to be working properly, what battery is this and can I replace it myself? Cheers in advance.

    What panel is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 mark2009


    Hi, I need to add a zone to an astec 63DV alarm system. Zone 6 is unused at present. I do not have the engineer code, but I have the user code. Is there a way around this??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Matamoros


    My alarm panel just says Secure Watch on it, it's about ten years old now. I might take Def's advice and get the lad back that fitted it to replace the battery, me and stuff just don't get on, I've cost myself more money over the years by having a go and making a b***s of it.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    For HKC the battery you need is
    12 vdc rechargeable 3.8 or 7amph
    PM me if you want me to do it for you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 mr_mags


    i'm in the middle of wiring for my alarm system,and have velux windows upstairs,do i need to cover these?got a quote from a guy and it seemed kinda high 2100+vat for 5 PIRs,14 windows-inertia +contacts(do i need both?(+9 velux?),gsm unit, and 2 keypads and bell box???i'm an apprentice electrician and was wondering if i can install this myself,but would i be covered insuarance wise after


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Price seems right , there is a lot in there. Velux windows arn't essential in my opinion.
    Once they are locked they are pretty secure. Its handy having contact on them though as it prevents them being left open if your rushing out.
    Self install is fine but be carefull not to claim any insurance discounts for having an alarm . It could void your policy in the event of a claim.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    Thread moved from DIY.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭fishdog


    The chances are you can just connect in to the unused zone. When you remove the lid from the panel simply put in the user code to stop the alarm going off.

    Disadvantage: You cannot change the parameters of the zone! Examples of this would be the pulse and gross attack settings. You may find that this zone is programmed as a 24 hour zone! This may not be what you want. You may have to enter the user code a number of times to stop the alarm going off.

    If this does not work out for you you can reset the panel. This is explained in the manual. If engineer lock has been used by the original installer there are 2ways around this. Let me know how you get on first!

    Good luck with it!


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Got your PM matomoros I'll give you a call tomorrow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    def345 wrote: »
    ...before it goes altogether as mine did and that's when my problems started ;)....

    What problems did you have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,056 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    Is it possible to reset the engineer lock? If you don't have the code?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Remove the mains power.
    Remove the 2 links marked battery & LK1
    Restore mains power to the panel
    When the panel powers up try enter the code 4711
    if the system disarms you have reset it enter 1174 to enter engineer mode.
    If this does not work you will need either the engineer code or an engineer to reset it.
    This method can cause damage to the panel if not done correctly. It would probobly best to deal with a professional at this point. If you take other advice you could blow the main processor..
    PM if its locked & ill sort it for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭fishdog


    Drop your astec alarm in to astec and they will unlock it for you


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    fishdog wrote: »
    Drop your astec alarm in to astec and they will unlock it for you
    Thats a bit drastic!:eek: and unnecessary..
    He would have to disconnect & mark everything & then bring it back & redo everything again..
    Anyway how is it going for you BostonB?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭fishdog


    Thats a bit drastic!
    Yes it is
    I should have said if the engineer lock has been applied it is one way to sort it out, the other is a bit more involved. It entails shorting out pins on a chip etc.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    There is also a safe method for engineers to use on site.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Chamonix


    Hi all,

    information is really great.

    Where can I buy an Aritech or Astec Alrm system. I know what I want but I need a list of shops in the Dublin area that stock Astec or Aritech alarms please. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭fishdog


    The best way to buy Astec is to buy directly from them. They are at Unit 3 I D A Centre Pearse St. Phone: (01) 6704202

    This is the cheapest way to buy Astec.

    The Aritech can be bought from Kellighers (01) 2952011, Eurosales (01) 2941802. Reliable security can be good on price at times too, it seems to depend on who serves you! Units 2 & 3 - Cian Park Industrial Estate - Drumcondra - Dublin 9 - Ireland (01) 837 2445

    Prices will vary a lot so shop around.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Reliable can be expensive. Prices don't vary by whose serving you they vary on who's being served. Customers with accounts obviousally get discounts. Remember if your paying cash don't be afraid to haggle. These suppliers are all eager for business at the moment. If you dont get the price you want tell them you'll go down the road to Phelans.
    PS if you want a good price from Astec PM me & I'll pick it up for you.
    If your looking at Astec you would do well to consider the Fusion. Most versatile & up to date system on the market at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Chamonix


    Fishdog, thanks very much for the contact details for suppliers and the info. Much appreciated.

    Koolkid, thanks also for the information. I am also going to have a look at the Fusion. I'll PM you if I decide to go with the Astec if that is ok.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    No Problem . I am in with them every week anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    My home is wired with 4 core alarm wire to all the windows and doors.

    I have a sounder and strobe already wired in by the over eager eletriction on the site 2 years ago.

    After reading about it. I am going to attempt my own hardwire instalation.



    All I need it is:

    The Control unit.
    Keypad,
    8 reed switches.
    2 PIR sensors.

    battery for control unit


    My question at this time is:

    With a four cour wire as opposed to a 6core wire. Am I restricted to what type of control unit?

    I was looking at this system . I have seen them as cheap as £35 .
    http://www.sdfirealarms.co.uk/shop/adeaccentaminigen4intruderpanelwithlcdkeypad-p-367.html

    I think I can do the whole lot for under 100euro. Electrician quoted 750.

    so it worth a go on my own.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭northdublin


    it depends on the system you fit. most intruder alarms only use 4 cores. two for alarm circut and two for tamper. do you have a system in mind? and if so what are you buying for 100 euro????
    i would recomend hkc as they are bullet proof and very easy to instal, maintain and use.
    the panel should cost you approx 130 euro +vat, the pirs would cost about 15 euro + vat and the reeds about 2.50 euro.
    the keypad usually comes with the panel and a battery is about 10 -15 euro depending on ampage. if yer looking for more info check out the electrical section as there are many alarm engineers on there to help


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    You would be better of without an alarm rather that that thing you linked to.
    Secondly your electrician should not be quoting you for this work now unless he is working for a PSA licenced company.
    4 wires are fine for most. But the external bell is normally 5ot 6 cores, but you can get around this.
    You could also consider the Astec Fusion which would allow you connect 2 wire sensors & bells.
    Along with
    The Control unit.
    Keypad,
    8 reed switches.
    2 PIR sensors.
    you would also need an internal siren
    All that should cost around €300-€350


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    koolkid wrote: »
    You would be better of without an alarm rather that that thing you linked to.
    Secondly your electrician should not be quoting you for this work now unless he is working for a PSA licenced company.
    4 wires are fine for most. But the external bell is normally 5ot 6 cores, but you can get around this.
    You could also consider the Astec Fusion which would allow you connect 2 wire sensors & bells.
    Along with
    The Control unit.
    Keypad,
    8 reed switches.
    2 PIR sensors.
    you would also need an internal siren
    All that should cost around €300-€350
    What is wrong with the type I posted?

    From what a gathered the control unit is a simple relay circuit. with the more expensive units having more bells and whistles. this is from very little research so I do accept that I could be completly wrong on this.

    I was shopping for the reeds at 1.70 each

    and PIR honeywell type at 12.00 each.

    Im not doubting ye . I just dont want the very best.

    I want the best value unit.

    I have a small two bedroom house .

    With the lack of work out there I have all the time in the world to fit it, but money is very tight.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    I could spend all day trying to explain what is wrong with it. But I'll just say 2 things ,first off you get what you pay for & secondly if they were any good wouldn't we all be using them & making nice profits on cheaper jobs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    koolkid wrote: »
    I could spend all day trying to explain what is wrong with it. But I'll just say 2 things ,first off you get what you pay for & secondly if they were any good wouldn't we all be using them & making nice profits on cheaper jobs

    I guess you are making sence.

    My friend has an Aritech system. But I cant seem to find them online anywhere. Or the Astec type you sugessted.

    Where could I purchace a control board at a good price.

    I am going to have to buy one bit at a time till I have the lot gathered.

    thanks for your advise


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    this is the outside bit . It wired already. but it has 4 wires and only 2 in use.
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    Jasus. This is going to be a head fryer for a novice.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    All astec products can be purchased direct from them
    IDA Centre Pearse Street


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    cheers koolkid;)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Your welcome. If you want me to pick anything up for you give me a shout


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭De_man


    gsxr to give you an idea on what's available i'd recommend you
    have a look at securitywarehouse.co.uk had to wait a few weeks to
    have the stuff delivered, but great choice & value imho

    i went for a full grade 3 installation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 302 ✭✭lastbuilders


    Hi All,

    Don't mean to hijack this thread but getting a quote for installing an alarm and want to get some feeling here of what I should expect to pay. The house is prewired for window and door contacts. There are:
    14 windows
    4 Doors
    2 Pirs
    Internal Sounder which is not wired currently but can be hooked easily into alarm cable in attic
    External sounder which is wired

    Cheers,
    Lastbuilders


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22 JIMMYBOND007


    the lad about the psa lience is right lads,some times jobs like this cost you more in the end because psa are gone very strict and are fining lads that are not qualified,even the alarm manufactorys have changed the poistion of the strobes so they know the alarm was fitted are the date the psa came in ,coutry is notting but f*/king regulated:mad: reason why i am telling yous this is i know 2 lads (electricans)that got phone calls off psa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Hi All,

    Don't mean to hijack this thread but getting a quote for installing an alarm and want to get some feeling here of what I should expect to pay. The house is prewired for window and door contacts. There are:
    14 windows
    4 Doors
    2 Pirs
    Internal Sounder which is not wired currently but can be hooked easily into alarm cable in attic
    External sounder which is wired

    Cheers,
    Lastbuilders

    Its hard without more info but anywhere between 900-1200 depending on the amount of openings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    How does this effect my home insurance.

    If I got broken into. And the asser seen a DIY alarm fit. Would this put my insurance in question? Even if I did not tell them in the first place.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    If you are claiming a discount for an alarm your insurance company may be taking it as being to EN50131 standard. If it is not then your policy could be void


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