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Final Fantasy 7....by a non gamer

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  • #552
    snausages
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    JohnMarston wrote: »
    At the same time you dont want want to feel like the world you're exploring is sparse and underpopulated.

    Well your mind fills in the blanks. XII was kind of different in that regard. It was huge but took place in a tiny province.


  • #553
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,833 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I think letting your mind fill in the blanks is the best way. Much better than a load of codex like Mass Effect of FFXIII. Half-Life 2 was probably the perfect example of this. There's nothing wrong with having a bit of mystery about a setting or place.
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  • #554
    snausages
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    Yeah, I can't help but feel when people say that HL2 has a crap story and no real arc that they're missing the point of that game. It's sort of like an iceberg, there's a lot underneath that you don't see but you work it out from the surface details. The little greeting from Dr. Breen at the start tells you all you need to know. Whereas Mass Effect is heavy-going with the exposition. FFXIII basically just came with a big cliff-notes guide that no-one bothered to read.


  • #555
    albel nox
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭albel nox


    I don't know how possible it is. But i would recommend Star Ocean 2: The Second Story.
    The Story is quite good and there are loads of different characters.
    But now that i type this the battle system is much different and there is some voice acting which is quite good in fairness but it may be a bit off putting.


  • #556
    Retr0gamer
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    albel nox wrote: »
    voice acting which is quite good in fairness but it may be a bit off putting.

    I have to stop you there but the voice acting is an atrocity.
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  • #557
    albel nox
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭albel nox


    It really isn't that bad and i generally hate voice acting. If i could play the game and still listen to the voice acting, its at least mediocre.


  • #558
    boarder294
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭boarder294


    Voice acting is hard, you have use different voice for so many character and remember what tone of voice you used in making it. it is not just one character your acting, a whole lot.


  • #559
    TO_ARTHUR!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭TO_ARTHUR!


    Great thread to everyone involved, especially Red XIV and LadyE! It has brought back loads of memories (as I'm sure you're tired of hearing). I had been replaying FFVII over the summer a year or two back but I kept on getting stuck on Ruby Weapon. I haven't even gone near Emerald Weapon or the Northern Crater and I was looking to beat them before the final battle. The past while I've been reading this thread have been a great inspiration for me to have a another crack it, when I get home and can get near my PS2, during the summer:pac:

    Thanks very much guys!:) Fantastic reading!


  • #560
    Arawn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Arawn


    TO_ARTHUR! wrote: »
    Great thread to everyone involved, especially Red XIV and LadyE! It has brought back loads of memories (as I'm sure you're tired of hearing). I had been replaying FFVII over the summer a year or two back but I kept on getting stuck on Ruby Weapon. I haven't even gone near Emerald Weapon or the Northern Crater and I was looking to beat them before the final battle. The past while I've been reading this thread have been a great inspiration for me to have a another crack it, when I get home and can get near my PS2, during the summer:pac:

    Thanks very much guys!:) Fantastic reading!

    w/summon and mime. Haedes and an attack summon. Ruby is simples


  • #561
    TO_ARTHUR!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭TO_ARTHUR!


    Thanks, If I remember correctly, I have my characters on around level 70 -75 or so. Should I bring their levels up? And did you start the battle with two characters dead and revive them after Ruby sticks his hands into the ground?


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  • #562
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,833 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Taking those bosses on isn't so much about high levels as it is using broken battle system tactics to win. You should read up on strategies, some of them are quite inventive.
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  • #563
    SickBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭SickBoy


    This thread led me to locate this walkthrough by Caponetone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUJ9xC5Brjk
    He shows some sweet ways to defeat the weapons there.
    Made me load it up on the PC and play through again, great fun. There are some great mods available also to make the graphics look much better.


  • #564
    Darkstrike
    Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Darkstrike


    This thread was absolutely immense, well done.


  • #565
    le sigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭le sigh


    I forget, did she ever read this?


  • #566
    RedXIV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,463 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    le sigh wrote: »
    I forget, did she ever read this?

    Yep :) had a good read through it and even posted a bit on it (LadyE)

    Thinking I might push her towards the FFX remaster when it comes out, could be another epic thread in the making!


  • #567
    MitchKoobski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭MitchKoobski


    I'd love to see/read someone play Final Fantasy IX for the first time.


  • #568
    Guyanachronism
    Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Guyanachronism


    It's funny coming across this thread because I have always told my boyfriend (now fiance) that I won't formalise anything until he plays FFVII. I gave him a PS1 emulator and the FFVII files but he never used it, now it has come up on steam he has agreed to play it at some point. He's a serious gamer, loves RPG but he never got into FF, he calls them fantasy adventures.

    I am just a bit worried that the Steam version, supposedly the music isn't as good. I also think that he might not enjoy it as I played it as one of my first really immersive video games. That and I will have to come up with more things to delay getting married. Perhaps the whole back catalogue, which in truth I haven't done either.


  • #569
    keane2097
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Link to steam version plz


  • #570
    Vojera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Vojera


    keane2097 wrote: »
    Link to steam version plz
    Link

    Or, you know, typing it into the search box works too.


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  • #571
    Retr0gamer
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    Guyanachronism wrote: »
    It's funny coming across this thread because I have always told my boyfriend (now fiance) that I won't formalise anything until he plays FFVII. I gave him a PS1 emulator and the FFVII files but he never used it, now it has come up on steam he has agreed to play it at some point. He's a serious gamer, loves RPG but he never got into FF, he calls them fantasy adventures.

    I am just a bit worried that the Steam version, supposedly the music isn't as good. I also think that he might not enjoy it as I played it as one of my first really immersive video games. That and I will have to come up with more things to delay getting married. Perhaps the whole back catalogue, which in truth I haven't done either.

    If he likes his RPGs western or complex don't be surprised if he hates it. It's very basic in comparison and hasn't aged well. It might seem quite quaint. I know a few PC RPG players that just couldn't get into it since it was so simplistic.
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  • #572
    Guyanachronism
    Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Guyanachronism


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    If he likes his RPGs western or complex don't be surprised if he hates it. It's very basic in comparison and hasn't aged well. It might seem quite quaint. I know a few PC RPG players that just couldn't get into it since it was so simplistic.

    We'll see, he's odd, he can appreciate games for storyline over gameplay, some RPG he should love (e.g. Elder Scroll) he doesn't care for and then other games which are generally panned by critics (Fable series) he loves.

    I think you have a point though, while I can play FFVII for nostalgia, I find FFIX and FFVIII from that FF generation more appealing to replay for a challenge. Although FFVIII story is poor but gameplay is challenging particularly due to monsters leveling up as the team does.


  • #573
    Retr0gamer
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    Well it's worth a try, he might like it. The story will seem quite trite to some one a little older.

    FFVIII is the one to go for if you like complex RPG systems. The story is ridiculously bad but breaking the system in that game is where the fun is.
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  • #574
    snausages
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭snausages


    FFVII has a lot of appeal beyond nostalgia. It's become fashionable nowadays to say it really wasn't all that but I've never known anyone who's picked it up and didn't love it. It's more complex than Fable anyway.


  • #575
    Retr0gamer
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    Well it's still a hell of a lot of fun but stuff like the story have aged poorly especially if you are a bit older.

    I do however know a lot of people that grew up on PC RPGs that just can't get into FFVII because it's so simplistic. I'm not talking about Fable which is very simple but more along the lines of Wizardry, Planescape, Fallout and Might and Magic.

    If you don't approach it as a WRPG it's a load of fun but don't expect people that are older to be blown away by it the way we all were when we were 10-15.
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  • #576
    snausages
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    ^^ But the issue then isn't really age surely but the kinds of games you were exposed to. Like if you've seen all the sci-fi greats but then watch something like Star Wars the appeal would pass you by, although I actually think FFVII holds its own a little better than SW. I reckon a 20 something year old who hasn't played complex isometric RPGs should still get on well with VII.


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  • #577
    Retr0gamer
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    I think it's more maturity. I can tell you know that I liked an awful lot of crap when I was the age I played FFVII which I wouldn't touch now, games, music, films and anime. There is a case to be made for being exposed to better works in the same field and for many of us, especially in europe, FFVII was the first RPG we played. I'm more going on the maturity angle here. Again I'm not saying they won't enjoy it just aspects like the story would be affected by this which lets be honest is a bit of a mess and not all that great.

    As for people who grew up on WRPGs, it's something completely different. It's not that FFVII is a worse game than most WRPGs it's that peoples expectations would be skewed by their previous experience and they would be expecting the same experience from FFVII yet would be getting something completely different.

    I've actually experienced this myself. I used to hate WRPGs because my expectations were that they should be like JRPGs. It was only listening to Kat Baileys podcast about actually role playing them that I tried Mass Effect and finally got what they were about.

    In a more extreme case I introduced my friend to mame years ago. He grew up on PC games like Doom and Quake so when he was playing Contra and Aliens for the Arcade he was trying to conserve ammo while playing :)
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