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Open University Questions and Answers

  • 25-11-2008 10:45pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭


    Hi,

    There seems to be a lot of conversation on OU at the moment and looking back on the archieves people have studied Maths or Stats with the OU. I was wondering if anyone has experience of how they found the course and more specifically was it worth it for a career perspective. I am considering starting but I doubt that the course will kick start a career as an acturary.:p

    Failing that is there any other recommended distance learning maths/stats course??

    Cheers,

    Shakeydude:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 129 ✭✭theboytaylor


    Half thinking of getting involved with this myself, would be great to hear other people's experiences.

    I think you can kind of take one course at a time and dip your toe in the water so to speak and eventually build up to a masters getting certs and diplomas as you go, which might be a good way to go, considering the uncertainty.


  • Registered Users Posts: 42 npc_100


    If you are interested in becomming an actuary, you should look at the faculty of actuaries website. The cost of the courses would probably work out the same (or cheaper) then the OU over a number of years. The maths is no more difficult then what you would do with the OU, the exams are tricky due to the volume of material required for exam exam. they are piloting a scheme in the UK (not sure if it is available here), that allows non-members do the first financial maths paper, might be worth looking into.


  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭shakeydude


    thanks for bringing this thread back up npc 100, I had forgotten that I had submitted it.

    I am looking to do some maths course part time and if it could push on to actuary in years to come how bad but I just want something to test myself in the evenings rather than spending my time on boards.:P

    I am an engineer so I have a good maths basis behind me but OU seems to be the best option for doing a maths and/or stats degree by distance learning. Surely someone else has done something similare on boards....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    shakeydude wrote: »
    thanks for bringing this thread back up npc 100, I had forgotten that I had submitted it.

    I am looking to do some maths course part time and if it could push on to actuary in years to come how bad but I just want something to test myself in the evenings rather than spending my time on boards.:P

    I am an engineer so I have a good maths basis behind me but OU seems to be the best option for doing a maths and/or stats degree by distance learning. Surely someone else has done something similare on boards....


    I'm doing the Maths and Stats degree with OU and the moment and I find them great. I did three modules over the last 18 months and i'm doing another 3 starting in February. I find the materials really well laid out and the tutorials are really good. I'm hoping to finish the degree in 3 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭shakeydude


    Rainbow Trout,

    Thanks for the reply.

    The maths/stats degree is what I am looking at and the responses all seem to be positive from the OU website. I wouldnt be able to start in January because I am doing another course unfortunately.

    How do find the course time wise? How much does each module work out to be?

    Do you hope to get a job from your degree or are you just on a quest for knowledge?:D

    Shakeydude


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    most modules run from february - october with a few running from october - june. the first module that you would have to do has 2 starts one in october and one in february, i recommend starting that one next october and then sign up for the follow on in february. modules are done at level 1, 2 and 3 which is basically equivalent to first, second and third year of a regular college. you can see the complete list of modules and compulsory/elective modules here.

    http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?Q01B36

    you have to gain 360 credits for the degree, 300 of these must be from the courses listed including the compulsory ones and 60 remaining credits can be either more maths or anything you want. if you already have a degree you can use it for free credit transfer to make up the last 60 credits (and save a bit of money)

    modules are either 30 or 60 credits - most in maths are 30. OU recommends 8 hours per week on the 30 credit modules and 16 on the 60 credit modules. it really depends on your own ability and experience. The first maths module is about equivalent to leaving cert higher level maths so although i started the course in october, they sent out the materials in august and i had it finished by christmas which left me more time for the modules i was starting in february. the ones i'm doing this year are going to be more time consuming.

    i already have a science degree and I'm a teacher so i'm not finding the maths so far too difficult and of course i've a lot of time in the summer to work at it, but there are plenty doing it with regular 9 to 5 jobs that don't have as much time off. I was always interested in maths but never got to study it and i picked the maths and stats over their other maths degrees because it doesn't have a summer school (available in UK only, so involves travelling) and it's recognised here for teaching purposes.

    cost - £755 per 30 credit module, so it is expensive, but that includes everything. as sterling is weakening at the moment my fees for next year are going to work out a lot cheaper than last year. at today's exchange rates a 30 credit module is working out around €810.

    PM if you want any more information.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭coup1917


    Hey all,

    I'm looking to start my next OU module in the next month hopefully and would really appreciate some advice or direction with my choice of course.
    Basically my course history to date is:
    M150 Data, Computing & Information
    T175 Networked Living Information & Communication Technologies--Both Level 1s completed for a Cert in Computing & IT.

    Have just completed a Level 3 T320 Ebusiness Technologies by the skin of my teeth so I'm just wondering if anyone has completed similar modules and what qualifications they are aiming for..?
    My initial thoughts were to just go for a Diploma in IT, but have faced up to the fact I need a degree..
    Would anyone advise specialising in a certain subject area, am considering working towards a BSc or BA open so I could vary my course modules but am not convinced on any option yet..
    Any help would be greatly appreciated ( while there is currently good value on sterling...!!)..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    I think you need a clear idea of what blend of knowledge you want to derive from your OU study. You did a Level 3 course after Level 1 !!!! Most IT jobs apart from tech support are about applying IT solutions to business. Personally I would blend IT and Business studies modules. So look at Level 2 courses in both these areas, and keep away from Level 3 for now.

    Oh, I agree getting a Level 8 degree is where it's at these days, I dont think a Diploma will be enough in the present job market.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭coup1917


    mimmi wrote: »
    I think you need a clear idea of what blend of knowledge you want to derive from your OU study. You did a Level 3 course after Level 1 !!!! Most IT jobs apart from tech support are about applying IT solutions to business. Personally I would blend IT and Business studies modules. So look at Level 2 courses in both these areas, and keep away from Level 3 for now.

    Oh, I agree getting a Level 8 degree is where it's at these days, I dont think a Diploma will be enough in the present job market.

    Ya I'm definetly heading back to a Level 2 course for now, although I'm glad I got a Level 3 done. It was a first time presentation and was compressed from May to October as a trial.......it was a bit rushed on certain areas including time available for study but overall worthwhile.

    I do have an interest in studying some business modules alright, so might blend these with some science/engineering subjects...One at a time for now anyway...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 the46gang


    Hi Rainbow,

    I am planning on doing OU maths in order to become a maths teacher.
    however i could just do pure maths via the OU or go for a mix as you did Math/Stats.

    Option 2 would seems a bit easier as stats I believe is abit easier than going down the pure maths route.

    why did you do the mix of stats and maths? why not pure maths?
    And how are you finding the course?
    Are you doing the degree in order to teach maths in post primary?

    Thanks,
    the46gang


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    the46gang wrote: »
    Hi Rainbow,

    I am planning on doing OU maths in order to become a maths teacher.
    however i could just do pure maths via the OU or go for a mix as you did Math/Stats.

    Option 2 would seems a bit easier as stats I believe is abit easier than going down the pure maths route.

    why did you do the mix of stats and maths? why not pure maths?
    And how are you finding the course?
    Are you doing the degree in order to teach maths in post primary?

    Thanks,
    the46gang

    Hey,

    you're right on choosing option 2 for a few reasons. From what I've seen so far stats is not as difficult or time consuming. I could be eating my words next year when i do the Level 3 courses. The follow on from the Level 2 stats courses is Probability type courses which is a topic I've always liked, so it suits me on that count.

    Also I mentioned in the previous post that there is a compulsory summer school in the Mathematics Degree. It's a one week course that takes place in June/July. It's not a requirement in the Maths and Stats degree. While I would have no problem doing it, it is expensive and I correct Leaving Cert exams in the summer to pay my college fees. So I would lose out on the double if I gave up corrections for the summer to go to the summer school. That's really the main reason.

    I wouldn't mind teaching maths in second level, I already have a permanent job teaching science and computers so it fits in with those subjects. My principal is aware that I'm doing the course so he may give me maths classes in the future, but I'm not doing it so I'll get classes. I always wanted to study maths, that was the main reason. I picked a course that would be recognised for teaching, because if I am going to pay for it, it might as well be useful and it does give me more options for the future.


    I'm enjoying the course. I've just started three new modules. The stats one is handy enough so far, I'm flying through that, there is a really interesting module called graphs, networks and design, which is a lot about logic so far and the last one is called optimization, it's fairly labour intensive on calculations but is fine. I'll just have to keep on top of them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭motherfunker


    I am about to finish a level 7 engineering degree this june and I want to bring it to a level 8 degree through the Open University. How many modules would I have to complete with the OU to gain a recognised level 8 degree?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    It may vary on which OU qualification you're planning to go for, and what credit they give for your previous qualification.

    Try asking them - the staff are generally pretty good an answering queries. You can talk to the Credit Transfer department by going here http://www3.open.ac.uk/credit-transfer/contact.shtm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    If you are happy with a BSc Hons Open (this is L8 on HETAC framework), you'll need 120 pts at Level 3 - choose what you like subject wise but I guess you'll stay with topics/areas relevant to engineering.

    The B.Eng requires a few more compulsory bits and bobs but 'You can apply to transfer a maximum of 210 points of relevant study towards the BEng (Hons).'

    http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?Q01B24

    also see:-

    http://engineering.open.ac.uk/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭motherfunker


    If I chose to do the BSc Hons Open and completed my 120 points, could I then at a later date complete the necessary B.Eng modules and recieve this award?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    No.

    Another hons degree - in your example a BEng would require another lot of study - 120pts at Level 3, you cann't use the same L3 courses again if you've used them towards one hons degree already i.e. BSc Hons Open.

    Guess you have to ask yourself how important is it to have B.Eng after your name. To get Chartered engineering status you'll have to do postgrad study anyway, but maybe this is not your goal at the moment, not all engineers are bothered with C.Eng status


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭motherfunker


    I wouldent mind one day becoming chartered but I am a 34 year old mature student and I dont know if I have the time to devote to getting chartered, not at the minute anyway.
    I would like to get a B.Eng but it is not as important as getting into a career path that I would really like. I would like to get into something to do with the environment, that is where the OU comes in, I really like the sound of the Environmental Modelling modules, they deal with causes, effects and possible solutions to various types of polution. If I could get into this field I would not worry too much about having a BSc instead, going back to college, my main aim was to get a degree of some kind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    Those modules will fit into your B.Eng top-up, as modules for B.Eng are drawn from a wide spectrum of courses.

    T210 feeder into T308 would be good choices and T308 will allow your engineeering project T450 in that area.

    http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?C01T450

    I think enviromental jobs are largely looking for people with some technical background like engineering and then overlayered with some knowledge of environmental areas, so I think your idea is right.

    T206 and T307 on the renewable energy side look interesting too - again another gowth area I would say in terms of employment.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0123/1232474675628.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭motherfunker


    Mimmi,
    Sorry for all the questions, I know I can ask on the OU site but it takes 5 or 6 days to get an answer, and even then they havent been as informative as you.
    I think these are my last questions:
    Do I have to complete these 2 compulsory courses even though I will have already done 3 years engineering in college?

    Personal and career development in engineering (T191)
    Key skills for professional engineers (T397)

    I got a reply from the OU about transferring points but they said I would have to wait till I have done my exams, but just say I was allowed transferr the max points (210), would the 2 environmental courses T210 & T308 plus the project T450 be enough to get the B.Eng even though the T210 course is Level 2?
    Thanks for all the advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭hayser


    do they have to contact the Open University or is it the other way around? Also how much of a time lapse is there between finishing your degree and being able to get a transcript? The reason I am asking is I am due to be finished in October of this year and there is a master's degree I'd love to do starting in February 2010 but is four months enough time to get my transcript and a copy of my degree certificate from them? Thanks in advance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    It's normally quite quick, but I'm not sure you would have the information in time for a course *starting* in Febuary. I'm almost sure the actualy documentation for my degree only arrived around mid-Febuary.

    Many post-grad courses though will accept a application on the basis of predicted/projected results and make provisional offers on the condition of the projection being correct. I suggest your contact the institution in question and find out their policy on this


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    Exam in October means result by mid December. You can then use Student Home to accept your degree, as the system is set to recognise that you have completed study for a linked award. The first bit of paper you will get is your Diploma Supplement - this lists all the modules taken on your degree, grades (what they mean) levels etc. You should get this quite quickly e.g. in January. The official degree parchment is given to you at the degree ceremony in Dublin about April time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭motherfunker


    Is there any form of financial support available for OU courses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    The simple answer is no (unless it's from your employer etc).

    You can claim tax relief however (do a search on this forum for lots of threads about it)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭sue97


    Just starting a course and wondering if anyone else is studying economics also


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    Yes you have to do T191 and T397, in addition there is the requirement for 2 residential schools - your practical/lab work for your current degree may not count as they are looking for very specific learning outcomes.

    You must have 120pts of Level 3 study, so 30 points must be the project course and at least a further 90 points must be at Level 3, so if you chose to do the Level 2 environment course this would be extra study.

    As I said before, if you really want B.Eng after your name you have to jump through these hoops, but if a Level 8 degree will do, go for the BSc Hons Open and just choose 120pts of Level 3 study - more straight forward imho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭sue97


    I am doing a BSc Open to top up a level 7 Business & IT degree I did some years ago.

    I am only starting so not the best to give advice but the level 3 I am doing very clearly follows on from a Level 2 course which I did not understand when I enrolled. I have ended up buying the course book for the Level 2 course to reference back to.

    I don't know yet if this is going to make it hard to do well in the course. I think if I was selecting again I would pick a topic that is clearly standalone or follows on from something I studied in the past.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    Yes Sue97, I think it is difficult to ignore the fact that Level 3 study in the OU is Final Year Hons level work, as such there must be some prior academic grounding in a subject before you jump in at this level.

    For those wanting to look at examples of course material take a look at the OUs Open Learn website www.open.ac.uk/openlearn .Click on Browse Subjects or if you know a course do a search based on the code.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Galway Spur


    Might be a bit vague but I am thinking of starting an Open University course in Psychology, starting with an introduction to .... and was wondering if any past or current OU students can give me some feedback in what I should expect with regards to assistance for distance ed students, is there any support offered from other students on same programme etc and any other things that I should know or do before signing up. Thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭DIRTY69


    hiya, well, i don't have much to tell you but i am starting the same myself :) unfortunately they don't do the introduction to psychology which starts in march, that might have been handy as a kind of introduction to the topics covered.

    It seems a bit more expensive to do the course in Ireland too and not within the UK. I wonder if we qualify for grants at all, maybe someone knows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    It's been said before - but do a search on this forum. There has been tons of OU threads (including some that cover psychology specifically). You'll find a mine of information.

    Course support - you'll find tons. The OU are pretty much one of the best in the field when it comes to this. You also have access to their own online communities to share with other students etc.

    With regards to grants, you won't get any (unless your employer has some kind of educational scheme). However, if you are a tax payer, tax relief is available. Check out revenue.ie for information.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Jimbo


    I'm playing with the idea of furthering my educaton with Open University.
    I would like to upgrade my Level 7 BEng to Level 8 which requires 360 points.

    I've a few questions:
    1. Roughly what credit transfer would be allowed for my current qualifications?
    2. Would residential school be required if I obtained my current qualifications through a college. If so, for how long?
    3. Very roughly, how long would such a course take to complete and what cost?

    I'm sorry my questions are so vague but I'm just trying to guage if it would be worth looking into.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    1: A thread that might be of interest is here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055480043. Credit awards will vary depending on the degree you decide to go for, and what you've previously studied.

    2: Residential schools are (almost) a thing of the past. Some still remain on certain courses, so it would depend on the courses you choose.

    3: Course lenghts and costs are laid out on their site. 30 and 60 point courses will normally run from Feb - October or October to May.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    jimbo78 wrote: »
    I'm playing with the idea of furthering my educaton with Open University.
    I would like to upgrade my Level 7 BEng to Level 8 which requires 360 points.


    I've a few questions:
    1. Roughly what credit transfer would be allowed for my current qualifications?
    2. Would residential school be required if I obtained my current qualifications through a college. If so, for how long?
    3. Very roughly, how long would such a course take to complete and what cost?
    I'm sorry my questions are so vague but I'm just trying to guage if it would be worth looking into.

    Thanks

    OK, quick summary. The B.Eng has it own specific CT scheme - max credit is 210 pts. You need to provide syllabus information and if you can provide some good detail you may be able to attain exemption for one RS on the B.Eng, leaving one to comlpete. RS schools are only 5 days, fees include everything - accommodation, food, tuition - you just need a Ryan air cheapie flight and spending money for the bar!

    So with 150 pts to study to include the compulsory elements T191, T397, 120pts of Level 3 study (whick includes a 30pts engineering project) I'd say you could just about do it in 2 years - timing and sequencing of courses, workload etc.

    http://engineering.open.ac.uk/

    Re cost, you pay per module and these vary in terms of size - 30pt / 60pt / residential school. Quick guess allow for €5k, but dont quote on that!:P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Jimbo


    Thanks mimmi. Very helpful post.
    5k would be very reasonable but it's a big commitment to make.

    Are OU qualifications well recognised here?
    Would it be recognised with the IEI?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    Well you get the employers not too well informed, but OU quals are on the National Qualifcation Framework in Ireland and have been HETAC rated e.g. levels and ECTs points.

    IEI has to recognise all the usual international accords re recognition, so if you use your B.Eng as part of your pathway to C.Eng with a UK prof body like IMechE, they have to recognsie it.

    I am sure on the ground having a level 8 qaulification and expereince is the thing that most employers look for.

    Anyway, doubt you'll find many places to do top-up engineering part-time, most colleges cann't get the bums on seats to run them - for the OU thast is not an issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Jimbo


    Thanks mimmi.
    If its HETAC rated I'd say it would be safe enough.

    One last question:

    Is there time limits between the modules? If I were to, say, take a year off in between modules, would it effect the prospects of getting the BEng?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    Shouldn't do - unless the qualifcation has a specific validity limit on it (generally listed on the web page) then you can have gaps of all sorts. I think the longest gap I recall was somebody coming back to a qualification having last done an OU course in the late 70's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Jimbo


    Great. Thanks for the info guys


  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭bobbygirl


    Im on my fifth OU course for Bsc Hons Psychology at the moment and overall OU are excellent . You will have a tutor which is contactable by phone or email along with tutorials also there are course specific forums which are really helpful .

    Whats the name of the one you are thinking of starting with ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    Hopefully not this one - it's not available in RoI

    http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?C01Y163

    If you have previous higher education study you may be able to cope with Level 2 entry DSE212 - this is essentially the first major psychology module in the OU degree.

    http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/bin/p12.dll?C01iDSE212


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭DapperGent


    This thread is to keep the large quantity of OU related threads in one place for easy reference. Post Away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭motherfunker


    Just wondering if anyone here has completed either the Environmental control and public health (T210) or the Environmental monitoring, modeling and control(T308) courses. I'm trying to decide on whether to do these courses or do a fire engineering level 8 course in my IT. One of my lecturers told me OU courses were very hard and not to take it on without being ready for a hard slog. I dont mind a bit of hard work, I've been in college for the last 3 years so I am used to it but I dont want to get in over my head, I dont think I would be though btut I'd love to hear from anyone who has completed either of these courses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 139 ✭✭urallfish


    hi i have an interview in buisness and humanities studies in the mornin i really want to do this course to further my ability to work with people that are disadvantaged but really i am going for a career in councelling to work with drug addicts etc is it the right move what questions will be asked of me? im nervous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Is this a joke? How would a course in business and humanities be of any use to you if you want to work with addicts? :confused:

    Also, this thread is about the Open University, which is not the university you are applying to (you don't do any interview to get onto their courses).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9 Nua Aristotle


    Hi all I am currently doing my last module in the Dip. (conversion) Psychology through the OU I was just informed I definatly won't be getting a distinction (1:1) because of the grading system which is fair enough but my question is they only award a fail, pass, graduate basis for registration, or a distinction. The people who get a 2:2 or 2:1 get put into the same braket (graduate basis for registration). My question is how do the universites in Ireland sort this out when you apply for the Doctroates/Master's in psychology as they are looking for a high 2class hons. (2:1) ???? Also the OU grading of a 2:1 begins at 69% unlike say NUIGalway which starts at 63% I think !!! so if I get an overall of say 66% will the universty take that into consideration ??? Has anyone been through this situation ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭mimmi


    You'll get a Diploma Supplement for your Dip Psychology award -this applies to all Universties under Bologna agreement awarding degrees/diplomas etc at HE level.

    The Diploma Supplement will clearly spell out the grade you have for each module and how this fits with the OU grading system.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9 Nua Aristotle


    Thanks Mimi however my real question is wether or not say the likes of NUIGalway will see my grade of say 66% from OU as being a 2:1; although this is not the case OU it needs to be 69% or above to be a 2:1 for them the grade 66% would be considered a 2:2 but there marking system is different to Irish colleges. (nuigalway's 2:1 starts at 63% I think). I am just trying to figure this out for a worst case scenario as I have plenty of clinical experience and research experience but am worried because OU mark very hard and I might not make the application grade parameters for postgrad's in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    Doubtful, I'd say - but only NUIG can answer for certain.


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