Evolution: A Fairytale For Grown-Ups!

Aww man, now I'm ashamed to live in Lucan.

right, so the scientific theory of evolution, supported by overwhelming evidence is a 'fairy tale' but 'An invisible man did it by magic' is a science'?

That must take an astonishing level of self deception to actually believe that

spudington16 wrote: »

Sounds like the kind of thing that would amuse simple-minded people who stil believe in Creationism.

Honestly, enjoy yourselves, though - could I suggest you bring along some crayons and maybe tinfoil? The shiny reflective material will entertain you all day long. Just remember: the crayons are for art, people - they're inedible!

:rolleyes:

I don't accept creationism in a young earth sense; however, I can accept that people have opinions separate to mine without resorting to childish taunts. You debase yourself.

spudington16 wrote: »

I suppose that's meant as an insult of sorts, but seeing as you don't know my character you can't really comment on whether not I've "lowered" myself, as you don't know from where I started (apart from not monkeys, of course )

No, it wasn't meant as an insult. I merely pointed out that your use of belittling language was unacceptable. The bottom line is that you intended to insult and inflame others, any valid expression of opinion you might have on creationism was secondary to this. I suggest you read the charter if you are in any way unclear as to your position.

You are correct that I don't know your character. Though, like everyone else, I expect certain levels of decorum between people. However, if you normally resort to mocking those you differ with, I'll cheerfully withdraw my debasement claim.

spudington16 wrote: »

apart from not monkeys, of course

Unlike you, I don't believe that we 'came' from monkeys - that is such an open ended assertion. The general scientific consensuses is that we share a closer link to African apes than we do with monkeys. Indeed, it is currently believed that we humans and apes evolved from a common assessor. Finally, to quote myself: 'I'm not a creationist in the young earth sense'.

There is a monstrous thread with 10,000+ posts on the subject of creationism on this forum. I suggest you take your opinions on the validity of the topic there. I, for one, won't be joining you.

Ciaran500 wrote: »

You can hardly expect him to reply to a thread calling evolution a fairytale with a serious reply.

i agree. ridicule is a perfectly acceptable response to ridiculousness. the creationism thread with 10,000+ posts proves that debate is fairly ineffectual with people who believe we are all descended from a single incestuous family in the fairly recent past. decorum is all well and good, but sometimes it's best just to point and laugh.

What's this? A presentation on hypocrisy? I am so there!

Colourful pictures FTW!

I dont post in the Christian forum.

Its a forum for.... discussion of christian things.

As absolutely mindless as i think the denial of evolution is i dont think other should come here and essentially troll them.

I dont post pics of pedobear in the parenting forum, or go into the Islamic forum and tell them i wont let the Iranian guy in spar make my ham and cheese sandwich because they dont use tissue to wipe their ass.

Imo, just let them have a troll free discussion

Who says fairytales arent for grown-ups? Who says fairytales cant be real?

marco_polo wrote: »

Mostly agree with that anyone is entitled to believe whatever they want.

However a large proportion of Creationists have a hidden agenda to get this stuff taught in science classes which I have a major problem with.

And it has been demonstrated pretty clearly (in several american court cases) that creationism has absolutely nothing scientific about it and is nothing but a platform for people to preach religion while pretending to use a testable scientific method.


It is blatant deception. While some people are taken in by the lies, the people who come up with the 'arguments' (rather than simply repeating them) are callous and deliberate in their deceit. (amongst the most glaring evidence of this is the fact that proponents of intelligent design took an earlier creationist 'text book' and simply replaced all the references to 'creation' with 'intelligent design' and then tried to pretend that 'ID' was a completely separate 'theory' and wasn't trying to promote religion.

TBH, rather than it being troolish, it seems to be the title of a talk to be given. If thats the case, its merely passing on info. Agree or disagree, its just a flyer for an event. No big deal IMO. People choose to go, or stay at home. Personally i welcome the notice, as i would if there was an atheist talk entitled 'Christians are deluded' advertised. its merely a notice of an event.

5uspect wrote: »

If I were to put a poll together would that be okay with the Mods? Also I would appreciate help in putting the questions together.

You need to cover all the main bases.

Q. Do you believe genesis provides a true account of the origin of the universe

A1 No (I am a non christian)

A2 No (I am a Christian)

A3 Yes, Genesis should be interpreted literally. I don't accept Darwinism

A4 Yes, But it is explained in metaphor and doesn't contradict evolution.

A5. No opinion

5uspect wrote: »

But I'm wondering if the typical Christian poster/reader of this forum actually thinks that Creationists, specifically the young earth bible literals, actually represent Christianity and would rather they went elsewhere with their nonsense.

I suppose its similar to biologists getting annoyed with people who think that we are evolving towards some sort of super race. I imagine that Creationism with all its excesses, lies and crimes has about as much to do with the kind of Christianity we see in Ireland as suicide bombings do.

It obviously represents certain people who call themselves christians. But then, so do the Phelps, so does Bush. So does the Pope etc etc. I represent myself to Christ. The main people who hold them as christians are usually people who have an agenda to criticise 'christianity'. I'm quite secure in my faith to know that no-one represents my faith. If someone takes certain sects as representative of christianity as a whole, well I don't think they really have the capacity to reason either way.

I don't really have any problems with Christians, only their influence in society. I think they're wrong and yes, deluded, but I draw the line with creationists. They should be openly mocked as nutters just as any extremest should. Anything else simply gives them the serious attention they crave.

Have you tried ignoring them? The more you mock, the more people become suspicious and curious IMO.