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thelongwait · 19-02-2012 12:21pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Out of interest, what is the longest time between an intake in An Garda Síochána since the foundation of the force? Anyone know?

I have heard they went 7 years in the 80's.

u s e · 19-02-2012 1:27pm

thelongwait wrote: »

I have heard they went 7 years in the 80's.

and thats why there's going to be little or no retirements until at least 2020 when those that joined in the nineties become eligible to retire,there cant be many retirements for this decade left after March when they were was recruitment ban in 80's.

blueforce · 19-02-2012 11:34pm

u s e wrote: »

thelongwait wrote: »

I have heard they went 7 years in the 80's.

and thats why there's going to be little or no retirements until at least 2020 when those that joined in the nineties become eligible to retire,there cant be many retirements for this decade left after March when they were was recruitment ban in 80's.

A big problem the full timers are finding at the minute (amoungest EVERYTHING else!!) is a thing they call Celtic Tiger Guards. Guards who got in during the mass recruitment a few years ago and really just aren't suited to do the job. People who thought it would be a handy number and a job for life. Now I'm in no way saying everyone is like that but I've seen people in my own station who say themselves this isn't for them

Graciefacey · 25-02-2012 10:02pm

Ive just been offered a new job, and am also confident of getting another job offer in the next few weeks. On panel, Ags has always been the dream but I'm totally stuck now. Reason being both prospective jobs have two year contracts that are v hard to get out of. I know everyone is going to say I'm daft for thinking of rejecting job offer but the way my life goes ill probably get a call about Ags on first day of my new job

rugby · 26-02-2012 6:36pm

Graciefacey wrote: »

Ive just been offered a new job, and am also confident of getting another job offer in the next few weeks. On panel, Ags has always been the dream but I'm totally stuck now. Reason being both prospective jobs have two year contracts that are v hard to get out of. I know everyone is going to say I'm daft for thinking of rejecting job offer but the way my life goes ill probably get a call about Ags on first day of my new job

Go with the new job , we've been on the panel for the last four years no one knows what's going too happen. I'd take the job with both hands if I was you

Graciefacey · 27-02-2012 9:32am

rugby wrote: »

Go with the new job , we've been on the panel for the last four years no one knows what's going too happen. I'd take the job with both hands if I was you

Thanks Rugby, I think Im going to take it. A close friend of mine has been on panel for paramedics since 2008, he emigrated to Oz before Christmas as hed given up hope. He flew home last week as he got called for his medical!!

rugby · 06-03-2012 6:31pm

well anyone anything too report this thrend gone fierce quiet :eek:

toptrumps · 07-03-2012 8:50pm

Anything to report???????????
How about, Im turning thirty in a few weeks, I was TWENTY SIX when I applied ;-(
Can anyone say depressed???

rugby · 07-03-2012 9:03pm

toptrumps wrote: »

Anything to report???????????
How about, Im turning thirty in a few weeks, I was TWENTY SIX when I applied ;-(
Can anyone say depressed???

No need to take the head off me , jes sorry i opened my mouth

Graciefacey · 07-03-2012 9:37pm

rugby wrote: »

toptrumps wrote: »

Anything to report???????????
How about, Im turning thirty in a few weeks, I was TWENTY SIX when I applied ;-(
Can anyone say depressed???

No need to take the head off me , jes sorry i opened my mouth

I don't think he/she meant to be offensive to be fair! More conversational!

toptrumps · 12-03-2012 12:08pm

rugby wrote: »

No need to take the head off me , jes sorry i opened my mouth

Hey rugby, apologise if it came accross as a swipe at you,
Totally not what I intended. Was more a light hearted joke if anything.

limboninja · 15-03-2012 10:39am

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0315/1224313320257.html

Wouldn't this just depress the life out of anyone? How the F*ck can they justify 600 into a neutral army, never mine the €85 million investment while garda numbers and working conditions go from bad to worse. If the GRA dont go ballistic with this they really will be every bit as useless as half the gardai i know make them out to be!!!

Sierra Oscar · 15-03-2012 1:46pm

limboninja wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0315/1224313320257.html

Wouldn't this just depress the life out of anyone? How the F*ck can they justify 600 into a neutral army, never mine the €85 million investment while garda numbers and working conditions go from bad to worse. If the GRA dont go ballistic with this they really will be every bit as useless as half the gardai i know make them out to be!!!

To be fair, there is an agreed desired level of strength for both An Garda Siochana and the Defence Forces that the government has committed to. Problem for us is that there is a long way to go before An Garda Siochana need to be in a position to recruit again in regards maintaining that strength level.

u s e · 15-03-2012 4:29pm

Shatter has said he wants to keep Defence Forces around 9,500 but hasnt given a figure for AGS,we all know number cant exceed 13,000 but what number will they let it drop to before recruitment??
Strange he can give exact number for army and not AGS.

limboninja · 15-03-2012 11:02pm

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

To be fair, there is an agreed desired level of strength for both An Garda Siochana and the Defence Forces that the government has committed to. Problem for us is that there is a long way to go before An Garda Siochana need to be in a position to recruit again in regards maintaining that strength level.

Put it like this then....There saving 2.5 million by disarming detectives who have guns and adding 600 to a neutral army. And to be perfectly honest I've only ever seen them when there was a big snow!! Its a joke! When I read this it just really ticked me off!!

When I read this : http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php and then read the article in the Irish times it just sickens me!!

Lenn Brennan · 16-03-2012 1:10pm

limboninja wrote: »

Put it like this then....There saving 2.5 million by disarming detectives who have guns and adding 600 to a neutral army. And to be perfectly honest I've only ever seen them when there was a big snow!! Its a joke! When I read this it just really ticked me off!!

When I read this : http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/sw-irish-crime.php and then read the article in the Irish times it just sickens me!!

It's crazy alright, maybe shatter is living on the hope that all the scum just wipe each other out! nothing would surprise me at this stage.

tweedledee · 17-03-2012 11:08am

And now Shatter wants to recruit Police from PSNI!!!!!! No money for new recruits, no money to promote senior long serving Gardai but has money to recruit British police to work in the Republic. I just don't understand FG at all.

Lenn Brennan · 18-03-2012 2:39pm

tweedledee wrote: »

And now Shatter wants to recruit Police from PSNI!!!!!! No money for new recruits, no money to promote senior long serving Gardai but has money to recruit British police to work in the Republic. I just don't understand FG at all.

I'm open to correction but what i got from this is that when a position has to be filled under special circumstances with the embargo still in place that they can be filled by members of the psni.

They still would have to go through the selection process for the job, like a transfer i suppose, I'm sure members of the Gardai would move to the psni too if there was a promotion involved.

The vacancies can be filled if shatter signs it off, pity the clown wont sign the papers for some fresh blood!

limboninja · 18-03-2012 5:00pm

Lenn Brennan wrote: »

I'm open to correction but what i got from this is that when a position has to be filled under special circumstances with the embargo still in place that they can be filled by members of the psni.

They still would have to go through the selection process for the job, like a transfer i suppose, I'm sure members of the Gardai would move to the psni too if there was a promotion involved.

The vacancies can be filled if shatter signs it off, pity the clown wont sign the papers for some fresh blood!

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-police-force-now-free-to-recruit-senior-officers-from-Northern-Ireland-142604266.html

UNBELIEVABLE

tweedledee · 18-03-2012 6:53pm

Sorry, but not true at all Sierra Oscar.
The Irish government havn't signed anything that requires them to keep Gardai or Defence numbers at specific levels. The ECB and IMF just don't work that way. They want to see cuts across the board and they don't care where the cuts come from. They want to get value for money.
It's a politician created myth that it's the Troika who are DEMANDING that Garda numbers are to be at 13000 and DF at 9500. Alan Shatter and his colleagues in Finance / Expenditure are actually responsible for these figures, they just want to blame somebody else. The former deputy head of the IMF recently clarified this on TV3.
Why have they not given specific numbers for teachers, nurses, doctors, paramedics, consultants etc etc??? There are no specific numbers. The government of the day decides who, how many and when to recruit into public sector.
Problem is, the savings made in some departments are being spent by others such as pay increases and salary top ups in Department of Taoiseach, and in banking but you won't hear the Troika moaning about that because the Troika is almost 100% made up of former bankers and politicians.

Cheers.

CIGANO · 18-03-2012 8:17pm

limboninja wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0315/1224313320257.html

Wouldn't this just depress the life out of anyone? How the F*ck can they justify 600 into a neutral army, never mine the €85 million investment while garda numbers and working conditions go from bad to worse. If the GRA dont go ballistic with this they really will be every bit as useless as half the gardai i know make them out to be!!!

Its very easy to justify the DF are below 9000 personnel and need at least 9500 to operate effectively. That is not to say that AGS aren't understrength or overworked but it should be known that the DF were the only organisation who had their numbers cut during the celtic tiger and apparently one of the few organisations in this country that kept within their budget during the good times this coupled with the fact that the government made some money over the last few years by selling military barracks then the recruitment is well justified and deserved.

You should look at this as a positive, because I also heard the prison service are recruiting aswell which means Garda recruitment in the near future is a high possibility.

Geansai · 19-03-2012 11:13am

tweedledee wrote: »

It's a politician created myth that it's the Troika who are DEMANDING that Garda numbers are to be at 13000 and DF at 9500. Alan Shatter and his colleagues in Finance / Expenditure are actually responsible for these figures, they just want to blame somebody else. The former deputy head of the IMF recently clarified this on TV3.
Why have they not given specific numbers for teachers, nurses, doctors, paramedics, consultants etc etc??? There are no specific numbers.

Just a small correction, but it was actually Dermot Aherne, and not Alan Shatter who are responsible for these figures.

These figures are coming from the FF Government 4 year National Recovery Plan (where Garda numbers are stated), which FG are continuing to implement.

The current goverment can indeed make changes to this (and have done so already), but for every Euro extra spent in one area, another euro must be saved somewhere else...

The Troika don't care where the savings come from, as long as savings are made.

mick3001 · 19-03-2012 2:40pm

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0319/shattera.html

Alan Shatter's house was broken into last night! Hopefully this might make him see sense that more gardai are required!!

Lenn Brennan · 19-03-2012 4:33pm

mick3001 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0319/shattera.html

Alan Shatter's house was broken into last night! Hopefully this might make him see sense that more gardai are required!!

I bet that was someone on here, haha

2wsxcde3 · 19-03-2012 5:52pm

I think he was arrested at the scene. We'll probably see a reintroduction of hanging bill rushed through the dail this week.

Lenn Brennan · 19-03-2012 6:07pm

2wsxcde3 wrote: »

I think he was arrested at the scene. We'll probably see a reintroduction of hanging bill rushed through the dail this week.

they'll all be too tired after their holidays to do anything!

Delancey · 20-03-2012 10:29pm

tweedledee wrote: »

And now Shatter wants to recruit Police from PSNI!!!!!! No money for new recruits, no money to promote senior long serving Gardai but has money to recruit British police to work in the Republic. I just don't understand FG at all.

A good deal of ' hot air ' has been spouted on the area of Garda / PSNI transfers - fact is that only a tiny number of transfers ( as distinct from very short term secondments ) have happened , apparently differences in the respective pension schemes is the reason for this initiative going largely nowhere.

Morpheus · 22-03-2012 11:04am

Were seeing the effects of no recruitment now combined with stations closing too... skerries, lusk, rush and balbriggan have had dozens of houses broken into over the last two weeks, same MO, knock the door late in the evening, nobody answers, in and out and escape in a car, gardai have no resources to answer the callouts and by time they reach one house, another 3 will have been done in the same area, gardai end up driving around chasing shadows as more houses get hit in the SAME TOWN!!! Shatter needs to get money for the DOJ today. Locals are moaning about the lack of response, but what can the gardai do with only a couple cars and bods to cover the whole of fingal!?

Graciefacey · 24-03-2012 10:58pm

I rang hr on Wednesday and officially took my name off the panel! Pastures new beckon. Adios to the twisted powers that be. Ahh freedom!

2wsxcde3 · 25-03-2012 9:05am

I don't understand why someone would do that but you know your own mind best i guess. Best of luck in your new life

Graciefacey · 25-03-2012 10:31am

Try paying a mortgage!

Shield · 25-03-2012 11:56am

Graciefacey wrote: »

Pastures new beckon.

I wish you the best of luck. The feeling of being released from misery of waiting, and the uncertainty of will they/won't they scrap the panel with you still on the thing (!) is enough to drive anyone insane.

Again, very best of luck in your new venture.

u s e · 25-03-2012 1:34pm

For what my opinion is worth Gracie,I think your right.My family who are serving gardai have made enquiries with gardai who work in HR,there's not even a whisper of recruitment.the response my dad got was 'anyone looking to join ags will need age on their side' because the future outlook is bleak,numbers aren't going to drop considerably below 13,000 any year soon,the Govt aren't going to make u -turn and increase numbers.even if Shatter wanted to bring in a class Brendan Howlin mightn't let him.
:mad:

ghost86 · 25-03-2012 4:46pm

im 25, the age limit is 35. By the way things are looking, I wonder if time is on my side!

keep itreal · 25-03-2012 5:35pm

ghost86 wrote: »

im 25, the age limit is 35. By the way things are looking, I wonder if time is on my side!

same here,there will be recruitment before you turn 35 but not much,AGS arent going to reduce numbers by at least 1500 and recruit a number anywhere near that.

next time there'll be any meaningful level of recruitment could well be when those from period of acclerated recruitment retire,thats how dire things are
Obama has promised to return if re-elected so that'll be another big hole in Garda budget sometime within next 5 years if hes re elected,great!!!!:rolleyes:

Graciefacey · 25-03-2012 6:16pm

As much as panellers say were not putting our lives on hold we are. The reality is that I need a decent wage and a solid career not just a 'job' to tide me over until Templemore opens. I have a great degree, great work experience and a solid head on.my shoulders so its Agss loss! It took a lit if soul searching for me to decide enough is enough but I just couldn't do it anymore. I will continue to check in here and keep an eye on things but without any vested interests anymore thankfully.

spudz21 · 25-03-2012 9:06pm

I've recently turned 25 as well and it has got me really thinking about things career-wise (quarter life crisis I think!)
The waiting for recruitment has been frustrating, but It's out of our control.
I'm currently waiting on results for an interview for another dream job so it's looking like if I get that,i will stick with it. Unless they recruit before I turn the big 3-0, then AGS as a career path is off the cards for me.

Best of luck Gracie,tough decision to make!

I'm listening · 25-03-2012 9:53pm

best of luck to you Grace..25 myself and was lucky enough to get a job related to my degree while stuck in this limbo. but I know ill have to make a difficult choice down the road and to be honest I'm not looking forward to it!
What you did makes a lot of sense, can't move forward with consistently being held back thinking what if the call comes next month. Can't believe we are into our 4 year of waiting now.. joke

thekopend · 26-03-2012 1:55am

keep itreal wrote: »

Obama has promised to return if re-elected so that'll be another big hole in Garda budget sometime within next 5 years if hes re elected,great!!!!:rolleyes:

guarantee the gards wont agree to foot the bill if it comes round again, they will make sure of that. only a fool gets caught twice!!

Graciefacey · 26-03-2012 8:51am

thekopend wrote: »

keep itreal wrote: »

Obama has promised to return if re-elected so that'll be another big hole in Garda budget sometime within next 5 years if hes re elected,great!!!!:rolleyes:

guarantee the gards wont agree to foot the bill if it comes round again, they will make sure of that. only a fool gets caught twice!!

Precisely why they'll prob end up doing it again. It's a comedy of errors. For a thread full of budding detectives I don't know how nobody has figured out that Gracie equals CJ!!!!

Lenn Brennan · 26-03-2012 10:03am

Precisely why they'll prob end up doing it again. It's a comedy of errors. For a thread full of budding detectives I don't know how nobody has figured out that Gracie equals CJ!!!![/Quote]

I knew all along, I just wanted to let someone else get it, haha, best of luck in whatever you do, tough call to make

keep itreal · 26-03-2012 11:51am

thekopend wrote: »

guarantee the gards wont agree to foot the bill if it comes round again, they will make sure of that. only a fool gets caught twice!!

Even if they dont foot it directly it'll be less money for Govt to spend on other areas such as garda recruitment.
Like panel members here,I'm going to move on 99.99% of us who apply next time will be unsuccessful such will be volume of applicants and few vacancies,slan!

spudz21 · 26-03-2012 2:16pm

Graciefacey wrote: »

thekopend wrote: »

keep itreal wrote: »

Obama has promised to return if re-elected so that'll be another big hole in Garda budget sometime within next 5 years if hes re elected,great!!!!:rolleyes:

guarantee the gards wont agree to foot the bill if it comes round again, they will make sure of that. only a fool gets caught twice!!

Precisely why they'll prob end up doing it again. It's a comedy of errors. For a thread full of budding detectives I don't know how nobody has figured out that Gracie equals CJ!!!!

I had my suspicions!;)

Not to drag this thread off topic,but would you now consider the Reserves?

A couple of years ago, I completely dismissed it as an idea but given the circumstances and after doing my research, it's something I'm now pursuing.

Graciefacey · 26-03-2012 2:22pm

spudz21 wrote: »

Graciefacey wrote: »

thekopend wrote: »

keep itreal wrote: »

Obama has promised to return if re-elected so that'll be another big hole in Garda budget sometime within next 5 years if hes re elected,great!!!!:rolleyes:

guarantee the gards wont agree to foot the bill if it comes round again, they will make sure of that. only a fool gets caught twice!!

Precisely why they'll prob end up doing it again. It's a comedy of errors. For a thread full of budding detectives I don't know how nobody has figured out that Gracie equals CJ!!!!

I had my suspicions!;)

Not to drag this thread off topic,but would you now consider the Reserves?

A couple of years ago, I completely dismissed it as an idea but given the circumstances and after doing my research, it's something I'm now pursuing.

Call it a social experiment

I'm not quite sure at the moment about the Reserves, but the hours in my current job are great so it might be something I consider once I'm settled. The wait just got too much for me and I couldn't do it anymore

shakin · 01-04-2012 10:40am

shatter has announced 150 intake for november,its in the sindo today!!!! FINALLY!!!

:D:D

Sunday Independant Crime

Lenn Brennan · 01-04-2012 10:50am

shakin wrote: »

shatter has announced 150 intake for november,its in the sindo today!!!! FINALLY!!! :D:D

Sunday Independant Crime

I don't believe you considering todays date!!!

kojack · 01-04-2012 11:36am

shakin wrote: »

shatter has announced 150 intake for november,its in the sindo today!!!! FINALLY!!! :D:D

Sunday Independant Crime

You will have to get up very early to catch us out

shakin · 02-04-2012 9:29am

kojack wrote: »

You will have to get up very early to catch us out

just checkin your still on the ball

Lenn Brennan · 02-04-2012 10:32am

limboninja wrote: »

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

To be fair, there is an agreed desired level of strength for both An Garda Siochana and the Defence Forces that the government has committed to. Problem for us is that there is a long way to go before An Garda Siochana need to be in a position to recruit again in regards maintaining that strength level.

Put it like this then....There saving 2.5 million by disarming detectives who have guns and adding 600 to a neutral army

I see the defence forces website says they are now accepting applications for recruits for they army and navy, so frustrating

u s e · 02-04-2012 11:52am

On the plus side,its good news on the job front but great point Lenn disarming detectives and recruiting troops that will never be involved in a war.Think they are looking for 600 in total..I dont even think AGS will be looking for 600 this decade.As Sierra Oscar said it'll be long time before AGS need to recruit,numbers about 13,600..if they took on 600 numbers would 14,200 that's not going to happen

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