Dark Souls

Stone Deaf 4evr · 10-04-2015 12:25pm

daUbiq wrote: »

I kinda agree with you, but it has been changed in DS2 and completely changed in BloodBourne.

It's very disheartening for new players to reach the end of the undead burg with starter gear only to be invaded by a sadist with a +5 lightning bastard sword who kills them in one hit. Where's the skill in that?

TBH, I actually thought thats how it was supposed to be - that you'd experience a further moment of terror when it pops up on screen "you have been invaded"

like here

Mickeroo · 10-04-2015 12:27pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

TBH, I actually thought thats how it was supposed to be - that you'd experience a further moment of terror when it pops up on screen "you have been invaded"

like here

No they changed the matchmaking system for DS2 so it wasn't possible anymore, you should always have a fighting chance in an invasion imo. Having said that, I think the twinking was a small price to pay compared to how soul memory ended up affecting PvP in the second game.

noodler · 10-04-2015 12:31pm

I never felt like I got invaded enough in any of the Souls games tbh.

I hear ppl complaining about it happening non-stop in areas and stopping them completing said areas but never experiences it sufficiently for that to be a problem.

Maybe in Blighttown. The thrill of a good invasion is well worth it for me though.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 10-04-2015 12:33pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

No they changed the matchmaking system for DS2 so it wasn't possible anymore, you should always have a fighting chance in an invasion imo. Having said that, I think the twinking was a small price to pay compared to how soul memory ended up affecting PvP in the second game.

Its an amazing game, that even after a playthrough, there so much I still dont understand. I reckon I played 95% of the game in a hollow state - normally only using humanity to level up the bonfires, so I think I was only invaded 3 times in total.

Are there any other reasons to turn human?

daUbiq · 10-04-2015 12:34pm

noodler wrote: »

I never felt like I got invaded enough in any of the Souls games tbh.

I hear ppl complaining about it happening non-stop in areas and stopping them completing said areas but never experiences it sufficiently for that to be a problem.

Maybe in Blighttown. The thrill of a good invasion is well worth it for me though.

When the game was released, invasions happened everywhere quite regularly but it seems to happen in some areas only now... the burg, the forest, anor londo and the kiln.

Mickeroo · 10-04-2015 12:36pm

noodler wrote: »

I never felt like I got invaded enough in any of the Souls games tbh.

I hear ppl complaining about it happening non-stop in areas and stopping them completing said areas but never experiences it sufficiently for that to be a problem.

Maybe in Blighttown. The thrill of a good invasion is well worth it for me though.

Did you play the games on release when the populations were at their peak? I was a latecomer to the first game but there still seemed to be a healthy amount of people online, never got to the point where invasions were a pain for me though (borderline in the forest), if anything there wasn't enough.

Second game I played as soon as it came out and invasions and that were rampant but again never to the point where I wanted to play offline, I think the games come into their own when there's lots of people online and the invasions/co-op are in full flow. The online aspects are one of the things that make the games so unique and brilliant.

noodler · 10-04-2015 12:37pm

daUbiq wrote: »

When the game was released, invasions happened everywhere quite regularly but it seems to happen in some areas only now... the burg, the forest, anor londo and the kiln.

Well, I played it non-stop from release for two months so I am talking about that period.

Mickeroo · 10-04-2015 12:39pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Its an amazing game, that even after a playthrough, there so much I still dont understand. I reckon I played 95% of the game in a hollow state - normally only using humanity to level up the bonfires, so I think I was only invaded 3 times in total.

Are there any other reasons to turn human?

Co-Op and invasions are the main reason really, there is also a weapon that scales on humanity though that still works when hollow. Did you join any of the covenants? They're the best thing about the game.

daUbiq · 10-04-2015 12:39pm

noodler wrote: »

Well, I played it non-stop from release for two months so I am talking about that period.

You were lucky\unlucky? I regularly got owned..

Stone Deaf 4evr · 10-04-2015 12:41pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Co-Op and invasions are the main reason really, there is also a weapon that scales on humanity though that still works when hollow. Did you join any of the covenants? They're the best thing about the game.

anytime I met someone who asked did I want to join a covenant, I happily agreed, but didnt have the foggiest what to do with each one. I did level up the chaos one as I was trying to save solaire (was unsuccessful). I didn't use any magic at all throughout my playthrough either - my stats were too one sided to try and multitask.

Mickeroo · 10-04-2015 12:44pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

anytime I met someone who asked did I want to join a covenant, I happily agreed, but didnt have the foggiest what to do with each one. I did level up the chaos one as I was trying to save solaire (was unsuccessful). I didn't use any magic at all throughout my playthrough either - my stats were too one sided to try and multitask.

I didn't use magic either, my character was pure Dex so it was katanas all the way. I did have a pyro glove for backup though of course. You should look up the covenants on the wikis, some are pure co-op based like the Sun covenant and then theres others that centre around invasions.

My personal favourite was in the second game where there are two covenants Way of the Blue (I think) and the Blue Sentinels, basically if a Way of the Blue member is invaded a Blue Sentinel gets summoned to their world to try and protect them.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 10-04-2015 12:51pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

I didn't use magic either, my character was pure Dex so it was katanas all the way. I did have a pyro glove for backup though of course. You should look up the covenants on the wikis, some are pure co-op based like the Sun covenant and then theres others that centre around invasions.

My personal favourite was in the second game where there are two covenants Way of the Blue (I think) and the Blue Sentinels, basically if a Way of the Blue member is invaded a Blue Sentinel gets summoned to their world to try and protect them.

I'm really tempted to start a NG+ , something I'd never do in games normally, but I find that I cant stop thinking about Dark Souls lately!. is it possible to join those covenants now and still meet people, or have I levelled myself above being useful? (I was level 94 when I finally beat gwyn).

Mickeroo · 10-04-2015 12:56pm

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I'm really tempted to start a NG+ , something I'd never do in games normally, but I find that I cant stop thinking about Dark Souls lately!. is it possible to join those covenants now and still meet people, or have I levelled myself above being useful? (I was level 94 when I finally beat gwyn).

lvl 120 is generally where everyone stops if I recall correctly, it was kind of an agreed upon level by the community to keep PvP interesting as people would have to specialise their builds to particular play styles. You can invade/help people 10% above and below your level I think, whether there'll be many around I'm not sure.

Another option is just to cave and get Dark Souls II for the XB1 and play it while the population is high

Stone Deaf 4evr · 10-04-2015 1:01pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

lvl 120 is generally where everyone stops if I recall correctly, it was kind of an agreed upon level by the community to keep PvP interesting as people would have to specialise their builds to particular play styles. You can invade/help people 10% above and below your level I think, whether there'll be many around I'm not sure.

Another option is just to cave and get Dark Souls II for the XB1 and play it while the population is high

I'm tempted, and only last week I had decided to go for it, but something is holding me back from making the purchase. There seems to be a bit of chatter that its been made a lot harder by the new enemy placements - sometimes unfairly so.

Genghiz Cohen · 10-04-2015 3:31pm

Gonna do a fresh install of this. Never really got around to playing it.

What do I need to do? Patches and general advice.

Digital Solitude · 10-04-2015 3:39pm

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Gonna do a fresh install of this. Never really got around to playing it.

What do I need to do? Patches and general advice.

PC I assume? Get DSFix, and an Xbox/PS3 controller

Genghiz Cohen · 12-04-2015 4:25pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

PC I assume? Get DSFix, and an Xbox/PS3 controller

Yea, PC. That it?

YouSavedMyLife · 12-04-2015 4:28pm

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Yea, PC. That it?

And a pad. Goodluck trying to play with mouse and keyboard

Genghiz Cohen · 12-04-2015 4:36pm

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

And a pad. Goodluck trying to play with mouse and keyboard

Heh, I tired once before. What a nightmare. I have a 360 pad, yeah. Off to a land of wonderful suffering then.

Digital Solitude · 12-04-2015 4:42pm

Well have a go at configuring DSFix for your system. Its nothing complicated, change what you understand. He's got instructions in the file as you go along

The_Captain · 13-04-2015 12:48pm

Most people I've spoken to about the new version have said it's just lots of new hollows dotted around the maps in blind corners and cheap spots

Genghiz Cohen · 13-04-2015 4:32pm

Ok, so I got talking to a friend while playing and he pointed out where I went wrong the last time. Do NOT head down into the skellington filled graveyard. Head up instead. Having a much better time now. Very nearly beat that Taurus Demon jerk too. Will get him tonight

[CrimsonGhost] · 17-04-2015 8:56am

Leave Dark Souls style messages around with the Soapstone app for iOS and Android.
http://kotaku.com/app-lets-you-leave-cryptic-bloodborne-messages-in-real-1698214811?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

Stone Deaf 4evr · 17-04-2015 9:34am

[CrimsonGhost] wrote: »

Leave Dark Souls style messages around with the Soapstone app for iOS and Android.
http://kotaku.com/app-lets-you-leave-cryptic-bloodborne-messages-in-real-1698214811?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

Would it be mean to write "fatty ahead" outside my local gym ?

tiro · 17-04-2015 10:13am

This can only mean clusters of "be wary of toxic but hole" outside burrito joints.

sweetie · 28-04-2015 11:55am

Just finished Bloodborne so decided to give this a bash again on the 360 having abandoned it in frustration a couple of years ago. Booted it up last night and I don't know if I can get past the graphics really, they seem so dated! Is the Pc version much better visually or will I get used to it?

noodler · 28-04-2015 11:59am

sweetie wrote: »

Just finished Bloodborne so decided to give this a bash again on the 360 having abandoned it in frustration a couple of years ago. Booted it up last night and I don't know if I can get past the graphics really, they seem so dated! Is the Pc version much better visually or will I get used to it?

For shame.

It was only three years ago - its a beautiful game!

Stone Deaf 4evr · 28-04-2015 12:01pm

sweetie wrote: »

Just finished Bloodborne so decided to give this a bash again on the 360 having abandoned it in frustration a couple of years ago. Booted it up last night and I don't know if I can get past the graphics really, they seem so dated! Is the Pc version much better visually or will I get used to it?

Keep at it, after a few hours, you'll be under its spell and you won't even notice it.

sweetie · 07-05-2015 10:00am

Ok so I'm really getting into this and have just arrrived in Blightown, at first bonfire. I have the drake, and mainly using a halberd at plus 6. What can I do with my second ember if I give it to blacksmith? Is it so I can add an element to my halberd?

Mickeroo · 07-05-2015 10:03am

sweetie wrote: »

Ok so I'm really getting into this and have just arrrived in Blightown, at first bonfire. I have the drake, and mainly using a halberd at plus 6. What can I do with my second ember if I give it to blacksmith? Is it so I can add an element to my halberd?

Any embers you find just give to whichever blacksmith will take them. Which one do you have? My memory is a bit hazy but I think they usually unlock the ability to upgrade a weapon past a certain level or enchant/upgrade elemental weapons.

sweetie · 07-05-2015 10:31am

Mickeroo wrote:

Any embers you find just give to whichever blacksmith will take them. Which one do you have? My memory is a bit hazy but I think they usually unlock the ability to upgrade a weapon past a certain level or enchant/upgrade elemental weapons.

So it doesn't matter which blacksmith, they can all do the same depending on what titanite you have? Its the second one I got in the game after the butterfly.
The first let me level past 5.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 07-05-2015 10:36am

sweetie wrote: »

So it doesn't matter which blacksmith, they can all do the same depending on what titanite you have? Its the second one I got in the game after the butterfly.
The first let me level past 5.

I don't think thats actually correct - for example only the giant blacksmith in anor londo can make the Boss soul weapons. and you might have to go to a different blacksmith to level up your weapon to the max level before it can be combined with a boss soul.

Mickeroo · 07-05-2015 10:45am

Yeah only one blacksmith will take a particular ember from what I remember, so there's no way you can give it to the wrong one or anything.

Digital Solitude · 07-05-2015 10:48am

You've the Divine Ember sticker, I think the huge Hairy Guy under the Gargoyles is the one who takes that Ember.

There's 7 embers iirc, and 4 blacksmiths. Each Blacksmith takes a certain ember, though really the Large Ember and the Very Large ember are the only two worth worrying about

Large Ember goes to the hairy guy and is found in

The Depths

Cravez · 07-05-2015 11:16am

IIRC the blacksmiths are as follows:

- Andre: Located in Undead Parish, takes Large, Very Large, Raw, Divine, Very Large Divine and Dark Embers
- Giant Blacksmith: Located in Anor Londo, crafts Boss Weapons, takes Crystal Ember and can upgrade weapons with Lightning without Embers
- Rickert: Located in New Londo Ruins, takes Enchanted Ember and Large Magic Ember and can upgrade weapons with basic Magic without Embers
- Vamos: Located in the Catacombs, takes Very Large Flame and Chaos Embers and can uprade weapons with basic Fire without Embers

Digital Solitude · 07-05-2015 11:19am

I still have to meet Vamos after about 5 playthroughs

There is a Dark Ember sorry... Never used it though

Cravez · 07-05-2015 11:28am

Digital Solitude wrote: »

I still have to meet Vamos after about 5 playthroughs There is a Dark Ember sorry... Never used it though

Neither have I but apparently Occult weapons are good against Black/Silver Knights and Gwyn. They may also be good against the other 4 major bosses (Nito, Seath etc) but not 100% sure.

_Puma_ · 07-05-2015 11:29am

Finally finished this on PC this week after owning it on the PS3 and getting as far as Anor Londo thinking I must be nearly done but giving up. How wrong I was!

Onto NG+ at SL90 +5 Upgraded Chaos Flame, +5 Queelags Furysword, +14Uchi, +5 Lightning Washing pole and +14 Longbow and +5 Medium weight Armor. Running a Dex build with Pyromancy. Managed to finish off all bosses(Including the dragon DLC optional boss who was not fun). Fairing out quiet well with getting Invaded in NG+, chaos Pyromancy spells are Invaluable!

Digital Solitude · 07-05-2015 11:30am

Cravez wrote: »

Neither have I but apparently Occult weapons are good against Black/Silver Knights and Gwyn. They may also be good against the other 4 major bosses (Nito, Seath etc) but not 100% sure.

Skill works too

Must do another run after my exams.

Doesn't Occult completely nerf scaling? More so than other elements? Open to correction there though

Cravez · 07-05-2015 11:38am

Haha true

Yep the faith scaling for occult is worse than divine but I think the trade off is that Knights and certain bosses receive a damage bonus from it.

But never used it really, once you have a highly upgrade normal weapon you don't even really need to infuse a weapon or just use resins. Even the occult club you get in Anor Londo I usually downgrade it to Divine to use against the skeletons in Nito's boss room.

daUbiq · 08-05-2015 9:22am

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Skill works too Must do another run after my exams.

Doesn't Occult completely nerf scaling? More so than other elements? Open to correction there though

Occult generally scales better with high faith and is particularly effective against some enemies such as ornstein and smough...

The_Captain · 08-05-2015 9:46am

Digital Solitude wrote: »

You've the Divine Ember sticker, I think the huge Hairy Guy under the Gargoyles is the one who takes that Ember.

There's 7 embers iirc, and 4 blacksmiths. Each Blacksmith takes a certain ember, though really the Large Ember and the Very Large ember are the only two worth worrying about

Large Ember goes to the hairy guy and is found in
The Depths

No Chaos Flame Ember. Do you even git gud?

sweetie · 11-05-2015 10:49am

Blightown was grand but Sen's fortress can piss right off. The mimic didn't even drop the lightning spear. That bonfire shall be mine tonight I tells ya.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 11-05-2015 10:57am

sweetie wrote: »

Blightown was grand but Sen's fortress can piss right off. The mimic didn't even drop the lightning spear. That bonfire shall be mine tonight I tells ya.

yeah, I found blighttown ok once you had the guys who shoot the poison darts taken care of. Sens is an area where you can have a lot of cheap feeling deaths - i.e. getting knocked off ledges or into traps.

Digital Solitude · 11-05-2015 11:29am

Sens is easy once you've beaten it the first time.

Did you do upper blighttown or just the swamp?

You can forge Lightning Weapons in the next area if you want one

sweetie · 11-05-2015 1:06pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Sens is easy once you've beaten it the first time.

Did you do upper blighttown or just the swamp?

You can forge Lightning Weapons in the next area if you want one

I've fully explored Sen's now but the last set of pendulums got me a couple of times when I finally reached them after many attempts and frustrated me.

I've Blightown done from the depths down to Queelag / Ceaeless discharge and back to the valley of the drakes link to firelink. Haven't ventured into the great hollow much since I saw the basiliks there.

Digital Solitude · 11-05-2015 1:16pm

Fair play, I'm normally very patient with video games and I was ready to fcuk my controller though the telly the one and only time I've done upper Blight town.

Leave the Great Hollow until after Anor Londo. Trust me.

2Mad2BeMad · 11-05-2015 1:17pm

I can do sens fortress blind now
but i remember the first time
so much fecking stress :L

sweetie · 11-05-2015 5:26pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Fair play, I'm normally very patient with video games and I was ready to fcuk my controller though the telly the one and only time I've done upper Blight town.

Leave the Great Hollow until after Anor Londo. Trust me.

I just did a suicide run and found the first lantern easily enough and the same again until I got to the white light gate and finally reached the swamp lantern after a couple of tries. Mus thave spent 4 hrs yesterday in Sen's but at least I have everything there bar the lightning spear that didnt drop!

sweetie · 11-05-2015 9:54pm

Lit bonfire in sen's, didn't rest, killed by lizard, back to undead parish. So annoyed!

Edit: got it next run!

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