1916 Easter Rising Parade this Sunday in Dublin

Maoltuile · 06-04-2012 6:17pm #1

Usual 12 noon start and itinerary:

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Taoiseach_and_Government/History_of_Government/1916_Commemorations/Easter_Sunday_Ceremony_at_the_General_Post_Office,_Dublin_and_Parade.html

I am reliably informed that the Cadets will be showing us the new arms drill, as well.

Maoltuile · 07-04-2012 5:28pm

Maoltuile wrote: »

Usual 12 noon start and itinerary:

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Taoiseach_and_Government/History_of_Government/1916_Commemorations/Easter_Sunday_Ceremony_at_the_General_Post_Office,_Dublin_and_Parade.html

Mar a bhí - Army band starts at about 10.45 am start tomorrow outside the GPO. Parade starts at 11.30am. All wrapped up and ended by 1pm.

The cadet (new) arms drill looks the business, for those interested in such things.

Cardinal Richelieu · 07-04-2012 8:30pm

Maoltuile wrote: »

Mar a bhí - Army band starts at about 10.45 am start tomorrow outside the GPO. Parade starts at 11.30am. All wrapped up and ended by 1pm.

The cadet (new) arms drill looks the business, for those interested in such things.

Is this on TV?

Turbine · 07-04-2012 8:44pm

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Is this on TV?

No it never is. RTÉ just show 3 hours of mass instead, and that's on top of of showing Easter mass for an hour and a half tonight.

Just goes to show how much of a backward country we still are that our national broadcaster would rather show nearly 5 hours of mass coverage than show our DF commemorate the men who sacrificed their lives for the republic we live in today.

Maoltuile · 07-04-2012 8:47pm

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Is this on TV?

Not that I know of, sorry. Possibly video will be put up on one of the DF social media sites.

Local-womanizer · 07-04-2012 8:47pm

I'd say you are giving out to the wrong person about too much mass Turbine! :P

And who doesn't love a good mass?

00MARTZ00 · 08-04-2012 9:49am

ah jaysus i thought it was on tv was looking forward to watching this

bwatson · 08-04-2012 1:58pm

I'd also be interested in seeing a recording of this.

As a humble Northerner, ignorant to the workings of the ceremony itself, would it be likened more to a trooping the colour type event or a remembrance service event?

ChunkyLover_53 · 08-04-2012 2:41pm

Its on RTE News website.

Parade Footage

Fuinseog · 08-04-2012 3:05pm

went along. It was good. I notice some soldiers now use the bayonet with the steyr. its available to buy for a hundred euro.the new drill seems to be the same as in British army, though only the cadets used it while the others used the old one.

what is the unit that wears green peaked caps with black visors?

Maoltuile · 08-04-2012 4:52pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

what is the unit that wears green peaked caps with black visors?

You mean the PDF?

Anyway, new drill becomes 'official' this summer (coming to a barracks near you).

08-04-2012 8:46pm

So much for republicanism. A paltry turn out to commemorate such an important event for the country. Nearly every other country would have mass support for this type of event. BTW it should not matter if it is 96 or 100 years as it is the event that matters.

Fuinseog · 08-04-2012 8:50pm

Maoltuile wrote: »

You mean the PDF?

Anyway, new drill becomes 'official' this summer (coming to a barracks near you).

I presume they are PDF.
cadets have their own hat, the RDF a green beret, the PDF a black beret while officers wear a green peaked hat, leaving a formation with green hats and black peaks?

any reason for the change in drill?

goldie fish · 08-04-2012 9:17pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

went along. It was good. I notice some soldiers now use the bayonet with the steyr. its available to buy for a hundred euro.the new drill seems to be the same as in British army, though only the cadets used it while the others used the old one.

what is the unit that wears green peaked caps with black visors?

New drill is NOTHING like the british army. Because we are not part of a monarchy.

Dyr · 08-04-2012 9:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So much for republicanism. A paltry turn out to commemorate such an important event for the country. Nearly every other country would have mass support for this type of event. BTW it should not matter if it is 96 or 100 years as it is the event that matters.

You've had nearly every government the we've elected in this country for the last three decades play down 1916 commemoration, what else do you expect?

goldie fish · 08-04-2012 10:34pm

Bambi wrote: »

You've had nearly every government the we've elected in this country for the last three decades play down 1916 commemoration, what else do you expect?

You must not have been born, or slept through, 2006.

Dyr · 08-04-2012 11:20pm

goldie fish wrote: »

You must not have been born, or slept through, 2006.

You've had nearly every government the we've elected in this country

detail is important

Maoltuile · 08-04-2012 11:43pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

I presume they are PDF.
cadets have their own hat, the RDF a green beret, the PDF a black beret while officers wear a green peaked hat, leaving a formation with green hats and black peaks?

RDF (PA's aside) will get peakers sometime in the distant future (usually this occurs just before the PDF change to something else and need to run down stocks).

any reason for the change in drill?

The old one looks ****e? I've heard stories about new Steyr scopes interfering with slings.

Morlar · 09-04-2012 12:12am

I was at this as well and took some great pictures of the backs of peoples heads and so on, they are here if anyone would like to check them out ;

http://www.war-talk.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=238

(If anyone in the defence forces & is in any of these pictures & wants higher resolution copies let me know).

Maoltuile · 09-04-2012 12:43am

Morlar wrote: »

I was at this as well and took some great pictures of the backs of peoples heads and so on, they are here if anyone would like to check them out

Thanks for that. The DF Flickr feed and the next An Cosantóir should have more.

Maoltuile · 09-04-2012 12:49am

goldie fish wrote: »

New drill is NOTHING like the british army. Because we are not part of a monarchy.

WTF? Over.

goldie fish · 09-04-2012 9:44am

Bambi wrote: »

detail is important

But the government that were in during 2006 were there for about 15 years,without a break and were elected 3 times. Thats Most governments in a 20 year period.

goldie fish · 09-04-2012 9:53am

Maoltuile wrote: »

WTF? Over.

The new drill is a slight variation on the drill that the Irish Defence forces have been using since the foundation of the state, as a republic. Orders are given in Irish(unlike the British army) and the most important aspect, the present arms, includes a downward facing palm, which is only found in the armies of non monarchies. Monarchies(such as the british army) present arms without a downward facing palm. You are offering your rifle to your king/queen/better, not saluting them while carrying it as an equal.
All the other moves, Clinigh(slope), Iompaigh(carry), asiompaigh(reverse), are all based on well practiced moves that were seen on the FN and 303 of the Defence forces of Ireland since its inception. I am presuming there is also an aistrigh(change). The ost welcome order you will hear when on parade.

Fuinseog · 09-04-2012 10:38am

Maoltuile wrote: »

RDF (PA's aside) will get peakers sometime in the distant future (usually this occurs just before the PDF change to something else and need to run down stocks).

The old one looks ****e? I've heard stories about new Steyr scopes interfering with slings.

i could be wrong but the old drill is modelled on the french one.

security was tight, but they only seemed to be checking bags. I forgot I had a pocket knife on me, but they never checked.

Fuinseog · 09-04-2012 10:47am

goldie fish wrote: »

The new drill is a slight variation on the drill that the Irish Defence forces have been using since the foundation of the state, as a republic. Orders are given in Irish(unlike the British army) and the most important aspect, the present arms, includes a downward facing palm, which is only found in the armies of non monarchies. Monarchies(such as the british army) present arms without a downward facing palm. You are offering your rifle to your king/queen/better, not saluting them while carrying it as an equal.
All the other moves, Clinigh(slope), Iompaigh(carry), asiompaigh(reverse), are all based on well practiced moves that were seen on the FN and 303 of the Defence forces of Ireland since its inception. I am presuming there is also an aistrigh(change). The ost welcome order you will hear when on parade.

not all orders are given in Irish,they were yesterday but from past personal experience some orders are as Gaeilge and others in English, when doing the about ur on the march for example we had to call out the time in english. its as if they cannot decide which language to use.

goldie fish · 09-04-2012 10:49am

Fuinseog wrote: »

not all orders are given in Irish,they were yesterday but from past personal experience some orders are as Gaeilge and others in English, when doing the about ur on the march for example we had to call out the time in english. its as if they cannot decide which language to use.

Foot/arms drill Orders are only ever given in irish.
End Of.

Fuinseog · 09-04-2012 7:48pm

goldie fish wrote: »

Foot/arms drill Orders are only ever given in irish.
End Of.

you seem very sure.

Local-womanizer · 09-04-2012 7:58pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

not all orders are given in Irish,they were yesterday but from past personal experience some orders are as Gaeilge and others in English, when doing the about ur on the march for example we had to call out the time in english. its as if they cannot decide which language to use.

Calling out the time in the turn is only done in training so the troops work together. The command to call out the time is given in Irish.

I have never given or heard of an order given in English. When I did the NCO in question was pulled up on it.

galwaycyclist · 09-04-2012 8:10pm

Fuinseog wrote: »

you seem very sure.

There are fashions in these things

To a certain extent it depends on the version of the "method of instruction" (aka the screed) your training NCO was given on their pots course. In training recruits -it would have been considered acceptable to use the English terms starting off and switch to the Irish once the troops get the hang of it. However this is only in recruit training once you have your stars up everything on the square is supposed to be in Irish. Of course down the West it may occasionally be the other way around everything in Irish starting and introduce the English terms after

Maoltuile · 09-04-2012 8:36pm

goldie fish wrote: »

The new drill is a slight variation on the drill that the Irish Defence forces have been using since the foundation of the state, as a republic. Orders are given in Irish(unlike the British army)

This wasn't always so, however. And you will still hear the occasional use of English for some things.

All the other moves, Clinigh(slope), Iompaigh(carry), asiompaigh(reverse), are all based on well practiced moves that were seen on the FN and 303 of the Defence forces of Ireland since its inception. I am presuming there is also an aistrigh(change). The most welcome order you will hear when on parade.

Yes, I've noticed the similarities (being old enough to have had arms drill training on both).

Maoltuile · 10-04-2012 12:04am

Flickr is now up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmagazine/sets/72157629775445137/

1916 Easter Rising Parade this Sunday in Dublin

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