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New Household Tax - Boycott

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  • #952
    djpbarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Terrontress wrote: »
    The person using the services is not the one to pay.
    But isn’t that what Ireland wants? “Free” education, “free” healthcare, etc. ?
    Terrontress wrote: »
    Why not just stick the lot on income tax, VAT and cut everything else out? It would provide the fairest, simplest to implement and most transparent taxation.
    I certainly would not argue against a simplification of the tax system, but I do think that part of that involves allowing local authorities to raise their own funding to some extent.


  • #953
    Terrontress
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,903 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Terrontress wrote: »
    The person using the services is not the one to pay.
    But isn’t that what Ireland wants? “Free” education, “free” healthcare, etc. ?
    Terrontress wrote: »
    Why not just stick the lot on income tax, VAT and cut everything else out? It would provide the fairest, simplest to implement and most transparent taxation.
    I certainly would not argue against a simplification of the tax system, but I do think that part of that involves allowing local authorities to raise their own funding to some extent.

    Free at the point of usage, yes, but of course it has to be paid for somewhere. Paid for with universal taxation in my, admittedly not thought out, model.

    I'd have a single rate of income tax, paid on all earnings over the tax-free threshold. VAT at a lower rate than today, maybe 20%, to stimulate consumption. Finally a local tax based on property value at a rate set by the local authority and those local authorities could tempt people to move to their area based on low tax or high services.

    Retain duty on alcohol, fuel, tobacco duties. Drop road tax to €100 for all cars to run the admin of licensing, drop road tolls, drop VRT, reduce house stamp duty to cover the costs but not to generate income. Drop tax efficient shares, drop season ticket tax relief, drop married couple relief, drop artist exemption entirely. Drop all tax benefits and loopholes. Local taxation to be paid on all houses which are occupied, regardless of who owns them.

    A first-class health and education system, both free at the point of usage. Roads maintained by NRA, centrally funded, or by the council, from local tax. Bin collection, fire brigade callout, libraries all paid for by the local taxation.

    And if we need more money to do this then up the income tax. If taxes are higher across the board then average net income reduces and then prices will drop to meet that.

    The end.


  • #954
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    "And if we need more money to do this then up the income tax. If taxes are higher across the board then average net income reduces and then prices will drop to meet that"

    - Aside from mistakenly thinking Paddy doesn't mind being taxed, there's a gaping hole in the economy that you would be left to fend for with your solution.


  • #955
    djpbarry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Terrontress wrote: »
    Free at the point of usage, yes, but of course it has to be paid for somewhere.
    Sure, but this is the great big problem in Ireland at the moment - people are demanding world class services, but don't want to pay for them. For example, these threads often bring up comparisons between Ireland and the UK, with all the "free" services available in the UK being listed (many of which are not actually "free", such as prescriptions and dental treatment, for example). But of course it's always overlooked that taxes in the UK are considerably higher than in Ireland, particularly for those on middle to lower incomes.
    Terrontress wrote: »
    Drop road tax to €100 for all cars to run the admin of licensing, drop road tolls, drop VRT...
    I wouldn't necessarily drop them all - I'd be more inclined to consolidate them all into a single tax on petrol. That way, what you pay is proportional to your road usage - can't get fairer than that*. And if you want to scrap season ticket tax relief, I'd offset that by increasing subsidies for public transport (which are pretty low in Ireland).

    * Cue cries of "but that's unfair to those in rural areas who are more car dependent".


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