Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

Always_Running · 30-03-2015 1:36pm

crusier wrote: »

It was more of a collapse than a slip!

In fairness what Galway did last week against Laois at home was worse.

crusier · 30-03-2015 1:45pm

Always_Running wrote: »

In fairness what Galway did last week against Laois at home was worse.

It wasn't great alright but I reckon if you added in the corofin players to the teams that lost the 3 matches its likley they would have been diffirent results and would be promoted at this stage!

TimRiggins · 30-03-2015 1:46pm

Its worrying that twice we've been in great positions (against Cavan and Galway) and have little to show for it. Hopefully these wrongs are being written now but I do worry that we still have that mental blockage playing teams that are traditionally better then us. Especially at home.

Strongbow10 · 30-03-2015 1:48pm

if you had been told at the beginning of the league campaign that ye would lose to Laois, lose to Galway at home and also only get a draw at home to Cavan, you would have put the house on Roscommon being relegated

Fair play, wins away to Down and Kildare (and home win against Meath) shows theres plenty of promise in that Roscommon side.

Lt J.R. Bell · 30-03-2015 2:05pm

Strongbow10 wrote: »

if you had been told at the beginning of the league campaign that ye would lose to Laois, lose to Galway at home and also only get a draw at home to Cavan, you would have put the house on Roscommon being relegated

Fair play, wins away to Down and Kildare (and home win against Meath) shows theres plenty of promise in that Roscommon side.

That is the frustrating thing , beat Down on their turf and beat Meath and Kildare (over hyped yes, but "big teams")

I can live with loosing to Laois due to time off and Laois being capable of causing contender teams serious hassle during a league campaign. But, Galway with a weaker team? Bha. Cavan draw was disappointing it was the first game

Never the less, we got points in games we were probably not expected to get

Jampip · 30-03-2015 2:08pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Well, if you had asked at the beginning of the year, would you be happy to survive in Divison two most would be delighted. That seems secure.

What is it about Galway and May? Over the past twenty years, in league and back door championship Roscommon, home and away can beat some of the "big teams" yet, always struggle against our neighbours. Even freaking Leitrim have given us a fright.

Beating Galway was more than just two points though.they absolutely capitulated. Same with Mayo in 2012 and last year. Should have put those two Mayo teams to the sword.

Derby with Westmeath, anythings possible there. Neither team will fear each other

Hopefully this loss is a blessing in disguise in the long run, like last year, the win -loss ratio is solid

The one thing I'd say about Westmeath is that they'll be difficult to score against. Cavan only managed 4 points against them with the wind on Saturday evening. We didn't play well and don't have a good full forward line but they were very solid defensively with numbers back.

I've been keeping an eye on all the Division 2 individual team threads and read on plenty of them that this team is "terrible" or that team are "atrocious".

The bottom line IMO is that you have the top six/seven teams in the country (Dublin, Cork, Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo) but after that, anyone can beat anyone in the next grouping on any given day. That's just the way it is. It's why Division 2 is as tight as it has been.

blowitupref · 30-03-2015 2:20pm

crusier wrote: »

It wasn't great alright but I reckon if you added in the corofin players to the teams that lost the 3 matches its likley they would have been diffirent results and would be promoted at this stage!

By all accounts Sice,Lundy were subdued yesterday while the main men were Conroy,Comer and O'Griofa all who played last week against Laois.

Galway were favourites for promotion no getting away from how much they have underachieved in the league again. I'm sure Galway would gladly swap yesterday win to be in Roscommon position in the table and knowing they are likely one win away from promotion.

homeofhurling · 30-03-2015 6:00pm

Always_Running wrote: »

In fairness what Galway did last week against Laois at home was worse.

don't forget Laois gave roscommon a bit of a lesson a few weeks ago yet kildare, westmeath, cavan, beat them funny league with no realy form team in it,

TCDStudent1 · 30-03-2015 6:10pm

blowitupref wrote: »

By all accounts Sice,Lundy were subdued yesterday while the main men were Conroy,Comer and O'Griofa all who played last week against Laois.

Galway were favourites for promotion no getting away from how much they have underachieved in the league again. I'm sure Galway would gladly swap yesterday win to be in Roscommon position in the table and knowing they are likely one win away from promotion.

Indeed, they were subdued. However, their presence actually made a difference. It brought depth to Galway's panel. Also, Liam Silke was MOTM on GBFM.

Maybe you are right and read somewhere that Galway were favourites for division 2 before it started. I would love to know who made them favourites though. Galway had not done anything before the league to suggest they were favourites, an average FBD campaign followed a very average championship last year. Furthermore, they were missing a very sizable Corofin contingent. Believe me, no true Galway football fan considered them as favourites for this division.

Cosmo Kramer · 30-03-2015 7:51pm

Westmeath were a disaster in Division 1 last year. They lost all of their matches and their average margin of defeat was 10 points per game. If you've any business going up to the top division and expecting to be competitive you really need to be beating them out the gate.

Syferus · 30-03-2015 8:29pm

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Indeed, they were subdued. However, their presence actually made a difference. It brought depth to Galway's panel. Also, Liam Silke was MOTM on GBFM.

Maybe you are right and read somewhere that Galway were favourites for division 2 before it started. I would love to know who made them favourites though. Galway had not done anything before the league to suggest they were favourites, an average FBD campaign followed a very average championship last year. Furthermore, they were missing a very sizable Corofin contingent. Believe me, no true Galway football fan considered them as favourites for this division.

Silke was good but he had little to do most of the match such was our troubles in the middle. MotM was an over-estimation of his influence, particularly given the number of goal chances Galway coughed up in our few forays into the Galway half.

It was FOC in midfield and Comer in attack that won it for Galway. Wouldn't be giving much if any credit to the Corofin lads. Pedar Og was excellent with a few of his frees in the second half too.

manofwisdom · 30-03-2015 9:44pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Westmeath were a disaster in Division 1 last year. They lost all of their matches and their average margin of defeat was 10 points per game. If you've any business going up to the top division and expecting to be competitive you really need to be beating them out the gate.

Westmeaths home results last year in the league

Westmeath 1-7 Dublin 0-14
Westmeath 3-09 Mayo 2-17
Westmeath 0-13 Kerry 2-15

Westmeath weren't beaten out the gate in any of those games and all those teams are better than Roscommon.

Sundays game is a derby Westmeath playing at home and fighting tooth and nail to stay up. The Rossies should be quite pleased to come away from Mullingar with a narrow win.

Santa Cruz · 31-03-2015 4:20pm

Get the win and see how the cards fall elsewhere.

Cosmo Kramer · 31-03-2015 6:24pm

manofwisdom wrote: »

Westmeaths home results last year in the league

Westmeath 1-7 Dublin 0-14
Westmeath 3-09 Mayo 2-17
Westmeath 0-13 Kerry 2-15

Westmeath weren't beaten out the gate in any of those games and all those teams are better than Roscommon.

Sundays game is a derby Westmeath playing at home and fighting tooth and nail to stay up. The Rossies should be quite pleased to come away from Mullingar with a narrow win.

They were well beaten in all of those games. I was at the Mayo one and they just collapsed in the second half - they scored a consolation goal with the last kick to put a shine on the scoreboard but they were awful that day and were nowhere near Division 1 standard over the course of the campaign.

Syferus · 31-03-2015 8:10pm

The only Westmeath result I give a flying fùck about is the one on Sunday.

SureYWouldntYa · 31-03-2015 9:48pm

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Get the win and see how the cards fall elsewhere.

one of the results that will stop promotion is Cavan winning, and doing it by 2 points more than Roscommon beat Westmeath. Down losing or drawing and Roscommon winning will also see them up

manofwisdom · 31-03-2015 10:08pm

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

They were well beaten in all of those games. I was at the Mayo one and they just collapsed in the second half - they scored a consolation goal with the last kick to put a shine on the scoreboard but they were awful that day and were nowhere near Division 1 standard over the course of the campaign.

Got within 4 points of Dublin that isn't well beaten. Scoring 3-9 against experienced side like Mayo isn't awful either. They weren't at the standard and that's why they were relegated.

TimRiggins · 01-04-2015 3:02pm

Westmeaths home game results from last year have nothing to do with this game.

All division 2 away games are tough, and if the team that turned up away to Down and Kildare that performance should be enough to get the win. Its a tough game and we'll get nothing easy.

Even if we don't go up its been a very good league campaign. Away wins against Kildare and Down have been the best league results we've got probably in the last 10-15 years.

With Derry, possibly Tyrone going down and Armagh coming up its going to be a tougher division next year though.

homeofhurling · 01-04-2015 3:33pm

the two big games Roscommon played this season again laois and Galway the arse fell out of them. i belive John Evans is right in saying its to early for them to go up as it would be hard to see them keeping it kick out to the big guns in division 1.

Syferus · 01-04-2015 4:03pm

homeofhurling wrote: »

the two big games Roscommon played this season again laois and Galway the arse fell out of them. i belive John Evans is right in saying its to early for them to go up as it would be hard to see them keeping it kick out to the big guns in division 1.

Don't feed him lads.

Jampip · 01-04-2015 4:13pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

one of the results that will stop promotion is Cavan winning, and doing it by 2 points more than Roscommon beat Westmeath. Down losing or drawing and Roscommon winning will also see them up

The table:

Down 6 4 0 2 8-77 5-75 0 8
Meath 6 3 1 2 7-73 4-68 0 7
Cavan 6 3 1 2 1-73 7-52 0 7
Roscommon 6 3 1 2 5-86 6-82 0 7
Galway 6 3 0 3 6-76 7-73 0 6
Laois 6 2 1 3 7-65 2-80 0 5
Westmeath 6 2 0 4 4-63 9-70 0 4
Kildare 6 2 0 4 6-75 4-88 0 4

Are Roscommon not the ones who need to outscore Cavan by 2?

Cavan have scored 1-73 (76) and conceded 7-52 (73). A difference of +3.
Roscommon have scored 5-85 (101) and conceded 6-82 (100). A difference of +1.

I'm reading that as Cavan being ahead on score difference by 2 points.

homeofhurling · 01-04-2015 4:37pm

Syferus wrote: »

Don't feed him lads.

you saying that John Evans didn't say this.

Syferus · 01-04-2015 5:20pm

Jampip wrote: »

The table:

Down 6 4 0 2 8-77 5-75 0 8
Meath 6 3 1 2 7-73 4-68 0 7
Cavan 6 3 1 2 1-73 7-52 0 7
Roscommon 6 3 1 2 5-86 6-82 0 7
Galway 6 3 0 3 6-76 7-73 0 6
Laois 6 2 1 3 7-65 2-80 0 5
Westmeath 6 2 0 4 4-63 9-70 0 4
Kildare 6 2 0 4 6-75 4-88 0 4

Are Roscommon not the ones who need to outscore Cavan by 2?

Cavan have scored 1-73 (76) and conceded 7-52 (73). A difference of +3.
Roscommon have scored 5-85 (101) and conceded 6-82 (100). A difference of +1.

I'm reading that as Cavan being ahead on score difference by 2 points.

You're right.

SureYWouldntYa · 01-04-2015 6:03pm

Jampip wrote: »

I'm reading that as Cavan being ahead on score difference by 2 points

Syferus wrote: »

You're right.

Yeah my mistake there. Will be an interesting Sunday

RoscommonTom · 03-04-2015 10:46am

Best of luck to the rosies teams this weekend, I cant see the under 21 being beaten, I think we should have enough to beat west meath in the seniors, win or lose its been a mighty start to the year with the league and fbd up the rosies

nice_guy80 · 03-04-2015 7:59pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

Best of luck to the rosies teams this weekend, I cant see the under 21 being beaten, I think we should have enough to beat west meath in the seniors, win or lose its been a mighty start to the year with the league and fbd up the rosies

Galway have a hex on us at U21

RoscommonTom · 03-04-2015 9:16pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Galway have a hex on us at U21

I heard they werent that good again mayo in the semi,

yabadabado · 03-04-2015 10:02pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

I heard they werent that good again mayo in the semi,

dont know where you heard that.Went down to Castlebar and won against a Mayo team who were big favorites.

Utopia Parkway · 03-04-2015 11:46pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

I heard they werent that good again mayo in the semi,

Wouldn't say it was a great game but they went into Castlebar as underdogs and handily enough beat Mayo. Don't think it's the greatest Galway U-21 team ever but if they play well it'll take a good team to beat them. And most people feel Roscommon are a very good team.

Syferus · 04-04-2015 8:14pm

Amazing game. Football is beautiful.

..that, well that is also beautiful.

RoscommonTom · 04-04-2015 10:01pm

Pure mighty, sent the galways packing in their own back yard, we should have beaten them way more, were far the better team, I think well do the all Ireland with this team, up the seniors tomorrow,

megadodge · 04-04-2015 11:09pm

That was a brilliant game of football. In fairness, I was talking to my Galway fanatic aunt at half-time and we both agreed, win, lose or draw it was a terrific game.

It was just the sort of test Roscommon needed and the response to Galway's two first-half goals was excellent.

I was genuinely worried about Roscommon's midfield beforehand, but not only did they hold their own, I thought they dominated. Compton was my man of the match. He dominated aerially and got through a huge amount of work, plus scoring the goal that brought us right back into it in the first half.

The two Kennys were excellent and besides the goal (which was eerily like last week's one in the senior) I thought Mullally did very well on Comer.

Enda Smith was very quiet in the first, but really came to the fore when he was needed in the second half. Brilliant run for the third goal.

Ultan Harney really is a top-class prospect. I know he went off, but I don't know was it from exhaustion or injury (anyone?), as I thought he was struggling before he was taken off.

Anyway, it was a very good win by a very good team.

megadodge · 04-04-2015 11:12pm

What time is the Westmeath game tomorrow? 3:00?

Syferus · 04-04-2015 11:18pm

Harney wasn't injured, he was pretty pissed off coming off because he wanted desperately to keep going. I think Dowd was just playing it safe with his shoulder (it was strapped and was injured recently) and he had put in a mammoth shift by that point in the match. He was fantastic.

And yeah, 3pm tomorrow. The weekend job is only half done..

TimRiggins · 05-04-2015 1:52am

Jesus if the lads go up tomorrow, U21 Connaght Championship and Promotion to Division 1, What a weekend.

Santa Cruz · 05-04-2015 10:49am

Four u21s in Connacht out of the last 6. Hopefully kick on and win it out. Also beat Westmeath and see how things go elsewhere. Plenty of positivity around the county now.

RoscommonTom · 05-04-2015 11:10am

best young fellas in the country,

DwightSchrute1 · 05-04-2015 4:40pm

Hello Division 1!!
Great weekend to be a Rossie

Syferus · 05-04-2015 5:03pm

Some weekend. We've made it back to the big time.

RoscommonTom · 05-04-2015 5:23pm

Mighty altogether and the galways stuck below in division 2 to make it even better, between this the fbd and the u21s it's some year, theres not a team now whod fancy meeting us the chaminship, up the rosies

Stinicker · 05-04-2015 5:27pm

When did Roscommon play in Division 1 last? Well done on getting back up there, look forward to playing yous next year. Kerry here.

Syferus · 05-04-2015 5:28pm

12 years ago.

Comic Book Guy · 05-04-2015 11:02pm

Syferus wrote: »

12 years ago.

That was in the days of 1A and 1B so not really a true 8 team division 1 although most of the top teams at that time were actually in 1A which we were in at the time.
Any idea when Ros were last in div 1 proper? Early 90s? seem to remember them playing Down and Dublin in consecutive years in league semi finals in Croke park??

Anyways congrats to both senior and u21 teams. First time we have won back to back u21 titles and consecutive promotions is great achievement for seniors. Monaghan did the same and showed there is nothing to be afraid of with the right mindset and game plan.

Lt J.R. Bell · 05-04-2015 11:43pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

That was in the days of 1A and 1B so not really a true 8 team division 1 although most of the top teams at that time were actually in 1A which we were in at the time.
Any idea when Ros were last in div 1 proper? Early 90s? seem to remember them playing Down and Dublin in consecutive years in league semi finals in Croke park??

Anyways congrats to both senior and u21 teams. First time we have won back to back u21 titles and consecutive promotions is great achievement for seniors. Monaghan did the same and showed there is nothing to be afraid of with the right mindset and game plan.

Roscommon where in 1A (or divisons 1 proper) during gay sherrins time In 1998. Reached Two semi finals (I think one of them was with John Tobin) We use to beat Tyrone and Dublin (home and away) even better Kerry one year. One year us and Kerry top led the group. Still couldn't beat Galway for love or money

Lt J.R. Bell · 05-04-2015 11:45pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

Mighty altogether and the galways stuck below in division 2 to make it even better, between this the fbd and the u21s it's some year, theres not a team now whod fancy meeting us the chaminship, up the rosies

Steady on! All of this means little if there is no connacht title this year

We blew it against Mayo last year (again!)

Mayo n Galway rarely fear us. We need to get over the blight over those lads

Comic Book Guy · 05-04-2015 11:52pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Roscommon where in 1A (or divisons 1 proper) during gay sherrins time In 1998. Reached Two semi finals (I think one of them was with John Tobin) We use to beat Tyrone and Dublin (home and away) even better Kerry one year. One year us and Kerry top led the group. Still couldn't beat Galway for love or money

Yeah Derry bet us in 2000 I think it was and reached 2 league semi finals under Tobin losing to Mayo and Cavan. All 3 of those were from 1A but wasn't that really a fudge cause it was meant to be a 16 team division 1 with the understanding that the groups were to be evenly split although not sure who was in charge of that since majority of heavy hitters were in 1A.

In the old fashioned Divisions 1-4 when would last time we were in division 1? Think early 90s?

Lt J.R. Bell · 06-04-2015 1:21am

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Yeah Derry bet us in 2000 I think it was and reached 2 league semi finals under Tobin losing to Mayo and Cavan. All 3 of those were from 1A but wasn't that really a fudge cause it was meant to be a 16 team division 1 with the understanding that the groups were to be evenly split although not sure who was in charge of that since majority of heavy hitters were in 1A.

In the old fashioned Divisions 1-4 when would last time we were in division 1? Think early 90s?

Very early 1990s. In 1995 under Donie Shine Senior, we were rotting in division 3, Westmeath gave us a bad beating.so before 1995

RoscommonTom · 06-04-2015 9:40am

I wish the champenship was starting soon with the way we are playing, id be afraid of fellas getting injured and the like in the next few weeks

Santa Cruz · 06-04-2015 10:37am

Great to be in Div 1. Lots of progress there and all teams capable of taking points off each. Get the playoff out of the way and bring on championship football. Croke Park in August must now be the objective. I hear some people say that Ross are not ready for promotion but I say take every success as it comes. A couple of injuries or players staying with their club can disrupt a middling size panel and you drop a few points. Great weekend overall

naughto · 06-04-2015 10:55am

Great weekend for ye lads no dobt thers sick heads all around to day. I can't see ye taking Connaught not this yr any with it being in Castlebar.
Iam not her for that iam just woundering what happens your u21s teams ye have won 4 of the last 6 and have very little to show from it.
Do a lot of players have to leave for work or do they go on the beer and forget about training altogether or is it a management problem ,with so much underage success ye should be able to push on and be playing football in August with the big boys not getting knocked out in June/July and going down the back door route.
Iam not her to cause a row between mayo and Roscommon there be enough of that come the Connaught final as the two teams should meet.

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