Local Radio

LoveCoke · 03-04-2013 10:09pm

I see that the Irish Press have sold Tipp Fm to a consortium of businessmen.

where did you see this? EDIT OK found it

Xenophile · 04-04-2013 6:44pm

With such close co-operation between Clare and Tipp FM. I feel sure that there is a good case to be made for community radio for both Ennis and Clonmel.

LoveCoke · 04-04-2013 6:53pm

Xenophile wrote: »

With such close co-operation between Clare and Tipp FM. I feel sure that there is a good case to be made for community radio for both Ennis and Clonmel.

what exactly do you mean by community radio? non commercial/voluntary?

Xenophile · 04-04-2013 7:19pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

what exactly do you mean by community radio? non commercial/voluntary?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Community radio is a radio service offering a third model of radio broadcasting in addition to commercial and public broadcasting. Community stations serve geographic communities and communities of interest. They broadcast content that is popular and relevant to a local, specific audience but is often overlooked by commercial or mass-media broadcasters. Community radio stations are operated, owned, and influenced by the communities they serve. They are generally nonprofit and provide a mechanism for enabling individuals, groups, and communities to tell their own stories, to share experiences and, in a media-rich world, to become creators and contributors of media.

Here is the link to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_radio

06-04-2013 9:28pm

I dont think Clonmel would have any people interested in setting up a Community Radio station..It is very expensive.It would have limited advertising.Its something like only 50 per cent of costs can be raised by advertising,it would mean lots of fund raising.In these times,it would have to be real radio fanatics who would even think about doing it.

Xenophile · 06-04-2013 9:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont think Clonmel would have any people interested in setting up a Community Radio station..It is very expensive.It would have limited advertising.Its something like only 50 per cent of costs can be raised by advertising,it would mean lots of fund raising.In these times,it would have to be real radio fanatics who would even think about doing it.

With Clonmel Borough Council due to be abolished (in my opinion no harm as what they allowed happen to the river is a disgrace).

If you want a real change in politics it must start in the local community.

Community radio would have to be run by volunteers with no political agenda , the only exception being that of Community Government.

There are many intelligent young people currently unemployed, also many early retired, also many people in all walks of life who would like the opportunity to contribute to the community.

Firstly you must have the vision and after that comes commitment.

LoveCoke · 06-04-2013 11:59pm

Xenophile wrote: »

With Clonmel Borough Council due to be abolished (in my opinion no harm as what they allowed happen to the river is a disgrace).

If you want a real change in politics it must start in the local community.

Community radio would have to be run by volunteers with no political agenda , the only exception being that of Community Government.

There are many intelligent young people currently unemployed, also many early retired, also many people in all walks of life who would like the opportunity to contribute to the community.

Firstly you must have the vision and after that comes commitment.

then you need a licence

iceage · 07-04-2013 1:52am

There was a pirate radio station in Clonmel many moons ago... Lads do keep up, the Net is the way forward.

LoveCoke · 07-04-2013 9:27pm

iceage wrote: »

There was a pirate radio station in Clonmel many moons ago... Lads do keep up, the Net is the way forward.

that is illega l now though isn't it? The pirate closed down when the law changed

07-04-2013 10:16pm

iceage wrote: »

There was a pirate radio station in Clonmel many moons ago... Lads do keep up, the Net is the way forward.

Yes there was,Theres a difference between a pirate,and a legal community Radio station.The net may be the way forward,but just because you can broadcast from the likes of ShoutCast,Caster FM etc,you still have to pay royalties on the music you play....so money is still an issue

LoveCoke · 07-04-2013 10:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes there was,Theres a difference between a pirate,and a legal community Radio station.The net may be the way forward,but just because you can broadcast from the likes of ShoutCast,Caster FM etc,you still have to pay royalties on the music you play....so money is still an issue

and you also have to have a licence to be a community radio. tipp Midwest is community radio isn't it?

08-04-2013 12:02am

LoveCoke wrote: »

and you also have to have a licence to be a community radio. tipp Midwest is community radio isn't it?

You do need a licence,thats what I meant by "legal Community radio"..Tipp midwest is in my opinion a good example of what Community Radio should be

LoveCoke · 08-04-2013 11:29am

Deleted User wrote: »

You do need a licence,thats what I meant by "legal Community radio"..Tipp midwest is in my opinion a good example of what Community Radio should be

what do you think of joe pryce, listening to him now

Xenophile · 08-04-2013 6:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You do need a licence,thats what I meant by "legal Community radio"..Tipp midwest is in my opinion a good example of what Community Radio should be

Yes for a very small town and I know that it area includes Cashel. It does a very good job. A certain Cannon Hayes from Bansha was a pioneer in community development he founded the original "Muintir Na Tire" decades before local radio started. Tipp town deserves it's community Radio.

Big Tanya · 09-04-2013 7:51pm

I like the music on Tipp Mid west. I like country music.
On tipp fm I like Carol power, she is one of my favourites.
her sunday morning show is a true delight to listen to on a lazy morning in bed.
We are lucky to have two good local stations.

Mr. G · 10-04-2013 3:21pm

Xenophile wrote: »

With such close co-operation between Clare and Tipp FM. I feel sure that there is a good case to be made for community radio for both Ennis and Clonmel.

Clare fm has a very high standard. I don't think there would be room for a community radio to be honest.

LoveCoke · 10-04-2013 6:25pm

Mr. G wrote: »

Clare fm has a very high standard. I don't think there would be room for a community radio to be honest.

they do not show much of a high standard in TippFM givemn the same boss

Mr. G · 10-04-2013 7:35pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

they do not show much of a high standard in TippFM givemn the same boss

It has its own managers and so on. There's a lot more to a radio station then one director. He wouldn't be the only director in tipp fm either.

LoveCoke · 10-04-2013 7:39pm

Mr. G wrote: »

It has its own managers and so on. There's a lot more to a radio station then one director. He wouldn't be the only director in tipp fm either.

he is ultimately responsible, the news output at weekends is a joke, there is supposed to be local news on each bulletin. pre recorded programmes are a joke too, if it is true

Mr. G · 10-04-2013 8:05pm

That's a fair point.

They also have to compete with Communicorp (that's Newstalk and Today FM) and RTE, and comply with regulations. There's a lot of work that goes into it that you wouldn't think. (I don't work for them by the way).

If you want to change something in a company you have to go through a lot of various steps, even for the simpliest of things. Crazy bureaucracy one might say. That's Ireland for you.

LoveCoke · 10-04-2013 8:07pm

Mr. G wrote: »

That's a fair point.

They also have to compete with Communicorp (that's Newstalk and Today FM) and RTE, and comply with regulations. There's a lot of work that goes into it that you wouldn't think. (I don't work for them by the way).

If you want to change something in a company you have to go through a lot of various steps, even for the simpliest of things. Crazy bureaucracy one might say. That's Ireland for you.

they do not comply with news regulations and possibly prerecorded ones

Mr. G · 10-04-2013 8:10pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

they do not comply with news regulations and possibly prerecorded ones

Give me a few examples of this?

LoveCoke · 10-04-2013 8:13pm

Mr. G wrote: »

Give me a few examples of this?

news on sat and sundays should come from their own newsroom and have local news on each bulletin during day

DT100 · 10-04-2013 9:33pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

he is ultimately responsible, the news output at weekends is a joke, there is supposed to be local news on each bulletin. pre recorded programmes are a joke too, if it is true

Its a sad fact of radio today that a lot of voice tracking goes on.The top man in Clare FM is a Tipp man,I cant understand why they joined up,unless the listener figures are just in their imagination,and thay were putting their own spin on them.I would love to know what listenership,the former breakfast guy has on his online station.Maybe thats the way to go for a Clonmel local radio,still cost money,but get it out there,then maybe a weekend fm licence down the line,That is of course if there a need or a want for such a station.To me Tipp FM is more independent than local.Real local radio ended with the ending of the pirates.The radio people who paved the way towards the licence were over taken by the suits with an eye for a dollar.The communications minister at the time was Ray Burke,he said "Radio licences werent a licence to print money "..Money was made,but by business people,not the real radio people,which ended with all radio stations sounding the same..just a few thoughts:D

LoveCoke · 10-04-2013 9:42pm

DT100 wrote: »

Its a sad fact of radio today that a lot of voice tracking goes on.The top man in Clare FM is a Tipp man,I cant understand why they joined up,unless the listener figures are just in their imagination,and thay were putting their own spin on them.I would love to know what listenership,the former breakfast guy has on his online station.Maybe thats the way to go for a Clonmel local radio,still cost money,but get it out there,then maybe a weekend fm licence down the line,That is of course if there a need or a want for such a station.To me Tipp FM is more independent than local.Real local radio ended with the ending of the pirates.The radio people who paved the way towards the licence were over taken by the suits with an eye for a dollar.The communications minister at the time was Ray Burke,he said "Radio licences werent a licence to print money "..Money was made,but by business people,not the real radio people,which ended with all radio stations sounding the same..just a few thoughts:D

probably

In voice tracking does the dj just record the parts he speaks? Who plays the songs?

Mr. G · 10-04-2013 9:48pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

probably

In voice tracking does the dj just record the parts he speaks? Who plays the songs?

Generally a lot of the music these days are scheduled and planned in advance. They wouldn't be thought of on the spot normally. Its all software based I believe. I guess it all depends but a lot of editting would be involved sometimes.

DT100 · 10-04-2013 10:37pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

he is ultimately responsible, the news output at weekends is a joke, there is supposed to be local news on each bulletin. pre recorded programmes are a joke too, if it is true

LoveCoke wrote: »

probably

In voice tracking does the dj just record the parts he speaks? Who plays the songs?

Radio stations thes days dont use cd's...all the music is on pc....There are different playout systems used,the like of Radiomation and others.Links and promos,adverts can be inserted at any point.A good indication of voice tracking is,no time checks,no invitation to call the station with requests,and as I have heard many times,before a song comes on " Here is x"....X doesnt come on...That can happen on live radio too,but is usually corrected,not always though...

Mr. G · 10-04-2013 10:49pm

The faders are used incorrectly sometimes as they are inserted into the system, all the intros and outros are on a database. Adverts and such are timed to the second and the presentor can see if he is over time. A lot of them use RCS software.

They have to play ads for revenue purposes but also they need to be on time, and they can't go over due to bai regulations.

Normally radio stations have a particular person to schedule all the music to be played.

A good indication of when its prerecorded is when you hear no number to text or no callers ringing in to the debate.

LoveCoke · 10-04-2013 10:54pm

DT100 wrote: »

Radio stations thes days dont use cd's...all the music is on pc....There are different playout systems used,the like of Radiomation and others.Links and promos,adverts can be inserted at any point.A good indication of voice tracking is,no time checks,no invitation to call the station with requests,and as I have heard many times,before a song comes on " Here is x"....X doesnt come on...That can happen on live radio too,but is usually corrected,not always though...

is tip fm voice tracked during the week?

Mr. G · 10-04-2013 10:58pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

is tip fm voice tracked during the week?

Yes, but not always. Some parts of shows would have prerecords but generally not voice tracking, that's really only for weekends. But that is be expected just in any radio station. Most likely the early morning/late at night are all voice tracked.

Its not always possible to do live.

DT100 · 10-04-2013 11:54pm

Mr. G wrote: »

Yes, but not always. Some parts of shows would be probably and then the presentor would jump in at the end to the next topic. But that is be expected just in any radio station. Most likely the early morning/late at night are all pre records.

Its not always possible to do live. Eg speaking to someone abroad and timezones etc so it sometimes has to be prerecorded.

Presenters and pre records during programmes would be totally different to voice tracking really.Voice tracking would be a total programme,broadcast as live....Even though its not.

Mr. G · 11-04-2013 6:49am

DT100 wrote: »

Presenters and pre records during programmes would be totally different to voice tracking really.Voice tracking would be a total programme,broadcast as live....Even though its not.

Posted edited. Wasn't thinking.

LoveCoke · 11-04-2013 11:13am

DT100 wrote: »

Presenters and pre records during programmes would be totally different to voice tracking really.Voice tracking would be a total programme,broadcast as live....Even though its not.

so f a programme at weekend is all recorded, that is voice tracking?

johnplayer · 11-04-2013 3:37pm

The use of lingo and terminology suggests to me that people posting on the subject of TippFM on this thread are people close to the industry ' This thread has just been brought to my attention and its obvious to me that most of the posters are signicantly more then ( passer by posters ) I suspect the contributers are closer to the station .Theres appears to be an issue with morale ' The station is firmly positioned as one of the most successful Radio Stations in the country . They have achieved huge share but they are challenged by turning the share into revenue . The problem isn't the amount of listeners but quality of listener . There are ways of addressing this but that conversation is for another time ' Market Share traditionly created more revenue through national / IRS sales but in the case of targeted local sales market share is almost irrelevant when the share consists if the lowest commen denominator in terms of " Listener " . Simply put TippFM have huge listenership according to MRBI/JNLR but these listeners are not spenders which gives for little value for the advertiser ' Again things that can be quite easily addressed . Finally I think a lot of the criticism here is unfounded and unfair ' some areas need attention like the playlisting ' morning and evening drive and a few other small bits here and there but quite honestly the TippFM team are doing a bloody good job . The Liam O'Shea I know will tweak all areas of programming in time but I'm sure he's initial concerns will be in the area of sales ?

Maybe get the product right and sales will start to take care of itself .

Chase better quality listeners rather then
volume would be my approach for a more sustained and viable business model .

JohnPlayer

LoveCoke · 11-04-2013 6:21pm

johnplayer wrote: »

The use of lingo and terminology suggests to me that people posting on the subject of TippFM on this thread are people close to the industry ' This thread has just been brought to my attention and its obvious to me that most of the posters are signicantly more then ( passer by posters ) I suspect the contributers are closer to the station .Theres appears to be an issue with morale ' The station is firmly positioned as one of the most successful Radio Stations in the country . They have achieved huge share but they are challenged by turning the share into revenue . The problem isn't the amount of listeners but quality of listener . There are ways of addressing this but that conversation is for another time ' Market Share traditionly created more revenue through national / IRS sales but in the case of targeted local sales market share is almost irrelevant when the share consists if the lowest commen denominator in terms of " Listener " . Simply put TippFM have huge listenership according to MRBI/JNLR but these listeners are not spenders which gives for little value for the advertiser ' Again things that can be quite easily addressed . Finally I think a lot of the criticism here is unfounded and unfair ' some areas need attention like the playlisting ' morning and evening drive and a few other small bits here and there but quite honestly the TippFM team are doing a bloody good job . The Liam O'Shea I know will tweak all areas of programming in time but I'm sure he's initial concerns will be in the area of sales ?

Maybe get the product right and sales will start to take care of itself .

Chase better quality listeners rather then
volume would be my approach for a more sustained and viable business model .

JohnPlayer

you must be close too with your joining to make that comment

but quite honestly the TippFM team are doing a bloody good job

not with news which is a high point of their licence

The Liam O'Shea I know

is that you liam?

johnplayer · 11-04-2013 6:33pm

LoveCoke wrote: »

you must be close too with your joining to make that comment
not with news which is a high point of their licence

is that you liam?

Check again and you'll find that I joined in 2011 .

Not Liam O'Shea

Not close to TippFm .

Insect Overlord · 11-04-2013 6:41pm

johnplayer wrote: »

Check again and you'll find that I joined in 2011

Simple but brilliant.

Mr. G · 11-04-2013 7:08pm

johnplayer wrote: »

The use of lingo and terminology suggests to me that people posting on the subject of TippFM on this thread are people close to the industry ' This thread has just been brought to my attention and its obvious to me that most of the posters are signicantly more then ( passer by posters ) I suspect the contributers are closer to the station .Theres appears to be an issue with morale '

I don't work in Tipp FM. With all due respect, if your going to quote please do it properly.

Think about something more constructive to say about the topic rather than ranting over and over again.

I regularly pass by here but rarely post.

johnplayer · 11-04-2013 7:43pm

Mr. G wrote: »

I don't work in Tipp FM. With all due respect, if your going to quote please do it properly.

Think about something more constructive to say about the topic rather than ranting over and over again.

I regularly pass by here but rarely post.

In eight pages of thread I consider my post hugely more constructive then any other . Who did I quote ? Where have I ranted over and over again ? I did little more then share my thoughts on the topic and was offensive to nobody . I did suggest that many people here are close to TippFm ' Closer then you think . I didn't say ALL posters here were such . I'm interested in the cause of you getting so exercised .

Mr. G · 11-04-2013 8:35pm

johnplayer wrote: »

In eight pages of thread I consider my post hugely more constructive then any other . Who did I quote ? Where have I ranted over and over again ? I did little more then share my thoughts on the topic and was offensive to nobody . I did suggest that many people here are close to TippFm ' Closer then you think . I didn't say ALL posters here were such . I'm interested in the cause of you getting so exercised .

I really don't want to go into an argument. It really isn't necessary to have this. By quotes I meant the following, (it gets confusing)

'

The use of lingo and terminology suggests to me that people posting on the subject of TippFM on this thread are people close to the industry ' This thread has just been brought to my attention and its obvious to me that most of the posters are signicantly more then ( passer by posters ) I suspect the contributers are closer to the station .Theres appears to be an issue with morale ' The station is firmly positioned as one of the most successful Radio Stations in the country . They have achieved huge share but they are challenged by turning the share into revenue . The problem isn't the amount of listeners but quality of listener . There are ways of addressing this but that conversation is for another time ' Market Share traditionly created more revenue through national / IRS sales but in the case of targeted local sales market share is almost irrelevant when the share consists if the lowest commen denominator in terms of " Listener " . Simply put TippFM have huge listenership
according to MRBI/JNLR but these listeners are not spenders which gives for little value for the advertiser ' Again things that can be quite easily addressed . Finally I think a lot of the criticism here is unfounded and unfair ' some areas need attention like the playlisting ' morning and evening drive and a few other small bits here and there but quite honestly the TippFM team are doing a bloody good job . The Liam O'Shea I know will tweak all areas of programming in time but I'm sure he's initial concerns will be in the area of sales ?

Maybe get the product right and sales will start to take care of itself .

Chase better quality listeners rather then
volume would be my approach for a more sustained and viable business model .

I'm not getting all exercised about it. Just why are you questioning that some contributors are nearer to Tipp FM? Its just not relevent. And anyway you seem to know a lot about radio yourself.

johnplayer · 11-04-2013 9:40pm

Mr. G wrote: »

I really don't want to go into an argument. It really isn't necessary to have this. By quotes I meant the following, (it gets confusing)

I'm not getting all exercised about it. Just why are you questioning that some contributors are nearer to Tipp FM? Its just not relevent. And anyway you seem to know a lot about radio yourself.

Tell you what lets not get into this ' I'm obviously interested in radio ' your a Clare man with a considerable interest in Tipperary Radio for some reason . Your entitled to that ' moving forward lets discuss the trend topic .

LoveCoke · 12-04-2013 5:19am

johnplayer wrote: »

In eight pages of thread I consider my post hugely more constructive then any other . Who did I quote ? Where have I ranted over and over again ? I did little more then share my thoughts on the topic and was offensive to nobody . I did suggest that many people here are close to TippFm ' Closer then you think . I didn't say ALL posters here were such . I'm interested in the cause of you getting so exercised .

That is a fairly high notion for someone who se first post is on the thread

I did suggest that many people here are close to TippFm ' Closer then you think .

i am not close to tipp fm whatever that means

chris2008x · 13-04-2013 12:02am

http://www.tippfm.com/news/detail/thurles_man_sentenced_for_fatal_unprovoked_attack

TippFm news team screws up again. The perpetrator of this crime IS NOT FROM THURLES. The family is from the Templemore area and he was living in Toomevara at the time he committed this attack.

LoveCoke · 13-04-2013 12:27am

chris2008x wrote: »

http://www.tippfm.com/news/detail/thurles_man_sentenced_for_fatal_unprovoked_attack

TippFm news team screws up again. The perpetrator of this crime IS NOT FROM THURLES. The family is from the Templemore area and he was living in Toomevara at the time he committed this attack.

24 and he got 21 years!, did I read that right?

TippFm news team screws up again.

when did they screw up before. They say they ar ethe number local news provider...

Jim Bowen · 15-04-2013 10:28pm

In fairness to them, sport has improved a little. Better commentary on matches. Better emphasis on sport at weekends. That said, it seems that news at weekends has suffered as a result. The music formula doesn't work for my taste i.e. country song this hour is....' FFS stop playing this stuff. Yet the JNLR data is strong.

I just cannot help thinking that if the brand was strong, if it was making money, the Irish Press would never have sold it, and certainly not at a time when advertising revenue is in the ****,

LoveCoke · 04-05-2013 12:30pm

Jim Bowen wrote: »

In fairness to them, sport has improved a little. Better commentary on matches. Better emphasis on sport at weekends. That said, it seems that news at weekends has suffered as a result. The music formula doesn't work for my taste i.e. country song this hour is....' FFS stop playing this stuff. Yet the JNLR data is strong.

I just cannot help thinking that if the brand was strong, if it was making money, the Irish Press would never have sold it, and certainly not at a time when advertising revenue is in the ****,

no weekend news though, not what they should have. Are they allowed to have all music on bank holiday Mondays?. Seems to be a regular thing and will be onthe coming May Monday

StephenHendry · 23-05-2013 11:16am

DT100 wrote: »

I remember that alright.It must be fairly tight there now.The same person was on breakfast from 6 to 10,and on again from 4.30pm to 7pm.Surely they must have someone who could have covered one of those shows.

remember those radio ads on drugs as well, they used to play a neil young song in those ads, "seeing the needle and damage done.....

Black Suir · 23-05-2013 11:23am

I was in the Tipp area on Tuesday evening and put on the 5-30pm news on the car radio. The woman that read the news, is she English, American or Irish with a very posh accent. She sounded like a mix of Agnes Brown and Maria's mother Hiliary having one of their posh chats, very hard to make out at times.

Big Tanya · 12-06-2013 7:09am

>SNIP<

Big Tanya · 12-06-2013 11:13am

>SNIP<

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