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Elementary [CBS - US] [** Spoilers **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,028 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Need to catch up over Christmas.. only watched the first two.

    Good to hear it keeps delivering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭mcgovern


    I've watched the first 5 or so, while not as good as the recent BBC Sherlock, its still pretty good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Episode 7 was excellent. This is the best new show this season.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    After the first episode or two I thought it was too procedural, and House had basically done it all before. But it's just done so well I keep enjoying it, definitely the best new show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    Just gets better and better.
    I started watching the U.K Sherlock which I have to say is very very good.
    I don't like Freeman so maybe thats why I prefer Elementary.
    Lets be honest, who would you rather look at Lucy Liu or Martin Freeman.
    He seems to act the same way in everything he's in, shoulder shrugs, tilt of the head like a dog who doesnt understand what you are saying.
    Sherlock holmes is fantastic in the UK one though, watson meh...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    You want sex....you find me attractive, the feeling is mutual.....mostly :D



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Is that Cuddy?

    Haha, ironic her starring in a Sherlock Holmes show.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    I dropped the show after ep. 6 - got lazy, but its pulling in decent numbers and CBS is behind it so i'd say season 2 is a safe bet.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    I'm still enjoying it, but it's very predictable at this stage. It needs a longer arc and something more dramatic to shake it up a bit. Hopefully it'll be one of those shows that grows a lot when it goes to a second season.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    So...they found a way to keep Joan around:
    “Dirty Laundry” – Sherlock and Joan investigate the murder of the general manager of a high-end Manhattan hotel whose body is found inside an industrial laundry machine. Meanwhile, since Joan’s time with Sherlock is almost up, he offers her an apprenticeship, on ELEMENTARY, Thursday, Jan. 3 (10:01-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,485 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    http://www.digitalspy.ie/ustv/s205/elementary/news/a449005/vinnie-jones-to-play-sherlocks-enemy-moriarty-in-elementary.html
    Vinnie Jones is to appear in a new episode of Sherlock Holmes drama Elementary.
    The Snatch actor will play 'M.' in the CBS procedural's 12th episode, a British criminal billed as "Sherlock's greatest enemy"


    I think this is a bad idea imo



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Vinnie Jones to play Moriarty ..?

    Could be interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    a very very bad idea, no way in hell he can pull off that role, maybe he might be a puppet for M, use him as a ploy to distract from who M really is,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Terrible casting. I hope he's the thuggish puppet being controlled by a puppet master.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't see the issue. Jones may not be the worlds greatest actor but he's turned in some fine performances and it will be nice to see a Moriarity who is both physically aswell as mentally imposing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,028 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    Jones may not be the worlds greatest actor but he's turned in some fine performances..
    He was good in 'Lock Stock' but not much else... the less said about X3, the better!



    Still playing catch-up on this... finishing 'Love Hate' and then onto this.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Basq wrote: »
    He was good in 'Lock Stock' but not much else... the less said about X3, the better!



    Still playing catch-up on this... finishing 'Love Hate' and then onto this.

    He was great in Midnight Meat Train and showed that given a half decent script he could turn in a fine performances. Like a lot ot actors his size he's cast due to how imposing he looks rather than his acting ability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    .... and exhale.

    Casting travesty averted.

    I wonder if we'll get to meet the arch-nemesis this season?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    don ramo wrote: »
    maybe he might be a puppet for M, use him as a ploy to distract from who M really is,

    called it BOOM:D:D:D

    absolutely great episode, we really got to see how dark Sherlock can go, and it will be interesting to see what will happen to Watson, they still haven't locked her in permanently yet,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    I thought that was the strongst episode so far, and Jones was convincing as the puppet. Couple of things jarred for me, and took me out of the suspended disbelief.

    Arsenal playing three nights in a row? Better research please (and it was clearly set over three consecutive days).

    Seabastian Moran used the word "nick" for police station - excellent I thought, genuine native dialogue - but then goes and uses the term "cellphone". What? A fella just arrived from Lahndahn wouldn't use that word, especially to a fellow Brit.

    Those small qualms apart, excellent episode, nice injection of tension for the second half of the season.

    I think Watson is staying on, and I think Holmes knows she lied.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, the fact he said "cellphone" really jumped out at me too. More-so the fact that he said "nick" as well. I'm not a soccer fan in the slightest, but it seemed odd that he'd refer to them as the Arsenal. Are they always called this by people? I thought they were just Arsenal ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,108 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Yeah, the fact he said "cellphone" really jumped out at me too. More-so the fact that he said "nick" as well. I'm not a soccer fan in the slightest, but it seemed odd that he'd refer to them as the Arsenal. Are they always called this by people? I thought they were just Arsenal ..

    Perhaps they just went for the easy option to avoid problems with product placement. I expect violent Vinnie wanted to say "me Razr". :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69


    great episode.
    Jones was better than I expected.
    Was great to see the darker side of Holmes, quite scary..
    Can't wait for the next episode.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    I'm not a soccer fan in the slightest, but it seemed odd that he'd refer to them as the Arsenal. Are they always called this by people? I thought they were just Arsenal ..

    Yep, "The Arsenal" is correct terminology. "One nil to the Ars-e-nal" is a fairly popular chant among their fans.

    Strange, my wife asked the same question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    Yep, "The Arsenal" is correct terminology. "One nil to the Ars-e-nal" is a fairly popular chant among their fans.

    Strange, my wife asked the same question.
    but shouldnt holmes have called him a gunners fan;):P:P


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    don ramo wrote: »
    but shouldnt holmes have called him a gunners fan;):P:P

    Or a Gooner possibly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Nah, Holmes wouldn't talk like that.

    I'm surprised he's even into football!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Have to +1 the latest ep. being the best, i knew m was a patsy....and John Hannah has been cast as Sherlocks old drug dealer from the UK. People are hoping he is Moriarty....Hannah would be superb.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Have to +1 the latest ep. being the best, i knew m was a patsy....and John Hannah has been cast as Sherlocks old drug dealer from the UK. People are hoping he is Moriarty....Hannah would be superb.
    John Hannah's cast? Great stuff. Really liked his recent work in "Spartacus" and "Damages". I also think he'd be able to pull off Moriarty perfectly - he can do arrogance well too. Like the possibility that Moriarty was also fuelling Sherlock's drug addiction


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭bluesfan


    I'm still kind of hoping that m wasn't a patsy and that he could still be Moriarty. He wasn't that convincing when he was claiming that he was set up (although that could be Jones weak acting). It also wouldn't be the first time in the series that Holmes would have been fooled by a clever maniac.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,028 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    The better half was out last night so decided to play catch-up..

    .. watched episodes 3 - 12, and was hugely entertained throughout.

    Jonny Lee Miller is great, and Lucy Liu is... OK (I don't think she'll ever truly impress me).

    The M episode was superb though... let's hope they get the casting of Moriarty right.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Catching up with the show and it remains one of the best things on TV. I think the only poor episode was the eye episode but only because I realised who the killer was early on. It just seemed so obvious and I spent the majority of the episode waiting for Holmes to catch up.

    Midway through the M episode and its fantastic. Holmes really comes across as completely unhinged and dangerous and its fascinating to watch. It's always good to see an unhinged Holmes and Jones is rather impressive in his brief time on screen thus far. Anyone else notice that in the episode Holmes is wearing one of the rare Greek coins from the vault episode, guess when he couldn't keep the Van Gough he opted on the cuff links.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Anyone else notice that in the episode Holmes is wearing one of the rare Greek coins from the vault episode, guess when he couldn't keep the Van Gough he opted on the cuff links.

    Did you spot this yourself?


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Did you spot this yourself?

    Yeah I noticed it last night when watching it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Yeah I noticed it last night when watching it.

    Hi Sherlock! :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Don't forget the superbowl episode tonight!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭sham69




    I assume that's sarcasm?
    20 million viewers after 11pm is a success, rating of 7.8?
    can't see anything wrong with those figures.
    I really enjoyed the episode.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Is the episode a "Superbowl Special" episode, or a proper episode?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,533 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Proper episode. A very good one too.....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    why dont you give your own opinion richard, you forgot to mention it was one of the latest post superbowl broadcasts ever, there was a 35 minute delay due to the power cut, so after watching that god awful sport for near enough 4-5 hours i wouldnt be fit for anything other than a bed also,

    its not gonna affect the show moving forward so its not a negative thing, its by far the strongest new show this season, and the ratings have backed it up,


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    don ramo wrote: »
    why dont you give your own opinion richard, you forgot to mention it was one of the latest post superbowl broadcasts ever, there was a 35 minute delay due to the power cut, so after watching that god awful sport for near enough 4-5 hours i wouldnt be fit for anything other than a bed also,

    its not gonna affect the show moving forward so its not a negative thing, its by far the strongest new show this season, and the ratings have backed it up,

    Richard would much prefer to copy and paste someone else's opinion than engage in anything close to a heated/informed conversation. That he has taken to copy and pasting paragraphs from release groups when starting new threads (his thread on the Jean Reno staring Jo) says all you need to.

    Elementary's ratings for that particular slot are a little underwhelming when compared to shows from previous years but the near 40 minute delay and the fact that many people had been watching the pregame warm up shows since 11 and 12 in the day does make the figures a hell of a lot less disappointing and if all the new shows of last year it's the one which has the best chance of running for years. It's viewing figures are strong and the critics are enjoying the show so expect it go on and on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Yeah, good episode again, the scene where the prisoner killed the doctors was pretty graphic.

    I thought the Kathryn Drummond angle was closed off a bit too quickly - she could have been a 2 or 3 espisode Moriarty Puppet, but to just have her killed off like that seemed a bit strange to me.

    I also liked the way Watson seems to be learning and honing her detective skills.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    I thought the Kathryn Drummond angle was closed off a bit too quickly - she could have been a 2 or 3 espisode Moriarty Puppet, but to just have her killed off like that seemed a bit strange to me.

    they said she survived, she might pop up again closer to the reveal or not long after the reveal of moriarty id say,


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower




  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Realised that I had a few episodes to get caught up on and with nothing to do today I decided to get a start on them. The conspiracy theory episode with Clyde was fantastic, an intelligent script with a real sense of mystery to it. It really showed just how much better Elementary is when compares to every other procedural on TV from the past decade it do. Holmes really comes across as a deeply flawed but likeable character. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the reason the show is so watchable is the manner in which Holmes's intelligence is never used by him to make others look stupid. Yes, he tells people he is smarter than them but unlike House or Patrick Jane he never comes across as an absolute dick.

    In the middle of the Terry Kinney episode and absolutely loving it. The scene where he enters the grocery store and has his picture taken is one of the most brilliantly macabre and down right funny moments I've seen in years. The motivation behind the characters escape and the story built around it is just fantastic. The writers behind Criminal Minds could really do with taking a leaf out of Elementary's book.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    The promo for this weeks episode is very....shippy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭gavmcg92


    Watched episode 1 last night and episode 2 this evening. I have to say I really like it. I suppose I don't have the same problem as some who don't want to watch it because they really enjoyed the UK version. I, on the other hand, have never really seen Sherlock Homes, either the movie, series or whatever else has been produced with the name.

    It's different but I really like it. Will continue watching and will be up to speed in no time :P Not much to watch at the moment (other than suits on Friday), so I'll be watching this every night :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭gavmcg92


    Just after watching episode 15. Really fantastic episode with the introduction of Sherlock's "friend"/dealer. Really made you think, well who is Sherlock. What's behind his ability, or according to the dealer, his inability to solve cases that one would consider unsolvable.

    ... and yes I know. I'm flying through the series. Really enjoying it. It has turned into a bedtime routine watching an episode every night.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,533 ✭✭✭don ramo


    gavmcg92 wrote: »
    ... and yes I know. I'm flying through the series. Really enjoying it. It has turned into a bedtime routine watching an episode every night.
    well prepare to come to a dead stop tonight, cause 16 was the last episode aired :o:o


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