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Becoming a Real Runner

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  • #552
    xebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I hear you. The only thing is that the Programme I am following (P&D) demands me race last weekend (Firhouse 10k), The wekend of the 25th september (Rathfarnham 5k) and the weekend of the 10th october (Simon 5 mile). I really have been following the program as closely as possible from the start and i am already changing it a fair bit by missing all the VO2 max sessions.

    I am not counting these races in or ruling them out completely. I am playing it by Ear. The physio says the groin problem should clear up quickly. And rest assured if I am in a race and feel any problems I will pull up or slow right down (In the case of rathfarnham I would slow down as i want that t-shirt). I appreciate your concern But I can assure you my eyes are on teh bigger prize.
    If I have to wait until Jingle bells to go sub 20 for 5k, then so be it.

    But the P&D program is just a guide, you don't have to follow it exactly. I don't see the point of trying to knock out a 5k PB when the risk of injury is so high. Racing in the context of these schedules doesn't necessarily mean going hell for leather for a PB, more that you are doing a slightly faster workout than you might otherwise have done.

    I'm think you should drop this 5k as well. The risks are too high.


  • #553
    RayCun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Looking at the Rathfarnham page, there were only 650 finishers last year, and they have 800 t-shirts. So - if you've already entered and really want the t-shirt - you could literally walk around and still get one.


  • #554
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    The thing that really annoys me is that this is not an injury caused by over running, but jetlag.
    I really shouldn't have gone out to UCD as tiff as a pole after 4 hours sleep in 3 days.

    Thanks for all your concern People. I'll probably end up just running Rathfarnham has a tempo session (for the t-shirt) rather than a PB attempt. If anyone needs a sub 22 pacer (or thereanouts) let me know.


  • #555
    TheRoadRunner
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    The thing that really annoys me is that this is not an injury caused by over running, but jetlag.
    I really shouldn't have gone out to UCD as tiff as a pole after 4 hours sleep in 3 days.

    Thanks for all your concern People. I'll probably end up just running Rathfarnham has a tempo session (for the t-shirt) rather than a PB attempt. If anyone needs a sub 22 pacer (or thereanouts) let me know.

    Sounds like a good plan. I may run rathfarnham. If I do you can have my tee shirt. If you wreck the groin it can be an injury for life rearing it's ugly head anything you try to do anything up tempo down the line. I've a dodgy hamstring from over exertion 7 years ago and it has never been 100%


  • #556
    chinguetti
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    From what i remember from last year, everyone who finished got a watch so if you finish, you'll get the t-shirt.

    Forget about time and go a bit lax on the plan Meno, it is only a plan and plans can't factor in a niggling injury. In my eyes, the plan is to get you to the start line in peak condition to do your goal time.

    For my first marathon, i stuck to the plan like religion but trained on an injury for the last 4 weeks which held until the 25th mile. If you mind yourself, you'll make 3.30 in Dublin but go easy on the hard sessions. Your body might be trying to tell you something.


  • #557
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Hey lads. The stuff about the T-shirt is a joke BTW ;)


  • #558
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    7 miles GA. 8:31 pace, HR 142

    Nice handy run round tymon. I forgot my shorts with pockets and as a consequence had no radio to listen to on the way round. Because of this my mind drifted off while running and I was mulling over the advice gievn in the log. I have to say, pacing the half is the big event for me this week and it is top priority to get to the line in good shape. I wouldn't forgive myself if I injured myself before the race. For this reason I will definately swap this weeks LSR (18 Miles w/14PMP) to next week (I'll probably do it next friday and let it be a guide as to whether or not to attempt Rathfrnham the following sunday).

    That means I'll just do an easy 12 tomorrow and rest up ahead of saturday. I will probably end up running up to the park on saturday morning (4 miles) and in so doing log up 17+miles for the day anyway. Next weeks long run was to be 17 anyway so it makes sense to swap them around.


  • #559
    Aimman
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    Good choice. I think you would have been kicking yourself if you had problems and couldn't make the 2:00 mark becuase of something that happenin on an 18M run a couple of days before.

    If you want to notch up 4m extra though, perhaps you could do it after the race, finishing at Ryans, so that you'll be in peak form at the start line. Its a long walk to Ryans. By the time you do 4M we'll only be arriving.

    Not sure whether to run tonight myself. dont know if the legs are a bit tired or if they just need a bit of a run to loosen them out.

    If you are doing an easy 12 today, let me know. I might be able to join you for some of them, if the pace is handy enough. ;)


  • #560
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Aimman wrote: »
    Good choice. I think you would have been kicking yourself if you had problems and couldn't make the 2:00 mark becuase of something that happenin on an 18M run a couple of days before.

    If you want to notch up 4m extra though, perhaps you could do it after the race, finishing at Ryans, so that you'll be in peak form at the start line. Its a long walk to Ryans. By the time you do 4M we'll only be arriving.

    Not sure whether to run tonight myself. dont know if the legs are a bit tired or if they just need a bit of a run to loosen them out.

    If you are doing an easy 12 today, let me know. I might be able to join you for some of them, if the pace is handy enough. ;)

    I was going to head up to the Park and do most of the HM course. Tymon is just not big enough for a 12m run


  • #561
    sideswipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Hey Meno, just catching up with your log as I was kinda at the same standard as your good self around DCM last year, holy crap your flying! I see you down for 3:30 this year, best of luck with it. I do think you'll have to change the name of your log to "being a real runner" or "becoming an ultra runner" or something like that!!


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  • #562
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Cheers!! Yeah the running has in general been really good this year and I have made big improvemnts. (5k-2 minutes faster, 5 mile-4 minutes faster, 10k-5 minutes faster, half marra-11 minutes faster). I had actually exceeded all my yearly goals by June.
    All indicators point to a 3:30 marathon being very realistic, but we'll see on the big day.

    It's all basically down to just getting the mileage in. I have been realtively injury free all year and getting in 4/5 runs a week since January. I have learned to really enjoy it too by getting in lots of easy miles around the weekly key sessions.


  • #563
    kennyb3
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    All indicators point to a 3:30 marathon being very realistic, but we'll see on the big day.

    Big time - your 5k and 10k times are in line with faster marathon times and you ve done plenty of long runs, so you have both the speed and endurance. no bother to you at all.


  • #564
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    12 miles in the park tonight. I followed (more or less) the Half Marra course, just cutting a bit at the start and the end by Starting and finishing at the end of the Furze Road.
    I did the first 6 miles at Pacing pace (8:53, 9:07, 9:11, 8:55, 9:04, 9:04) and the 6 last miles (the tougher ones) at PMP- to help me get an idea for how the pacees will be feeling at this point- (7:55, 8:05-Kyber, 7:50, 7:35, 7:50 -Glenn rd and Furry Glenn, 7:54).
    I actually found the Kyber to be a lot tougher than the Glenn Rd and Furry Glenn. The little break in climbing by going downhill to the lake really breaks it up nicely and while the climb up to Knockmaroon gate is steep enough, it is quite short.

    Good session tonight. I'll rest up tomorrow for saturday. Groin feels A1. I have another session with the physio tomorrow and hope to get the all clear after it.

    12.3 miles at 8:27 pace HRM messed up again tonight (or else I have a dodgy ticker!). It has me jumping anywhere between 210 and 120 throughout the run.


  • #565
    brophya2007
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    12 miles in the park tonight. I followed (more or less) the Half Marra course, just cutting a bit at the start and the end by Starting and finishing at the end of the Furze Road.
    I did the first 6 miles at Pacing pace (8:53, 9:07, 9:11, 8:55, 9:04, 9:04) and the 6 last miles (the tougher ones) at PMP- to help me get an idea for how the pacees will be feeling at this point- (7:55, 8:05-Kyber, 7:50, 7:35, 7:50 -Glenn rd and Furry Glenn, 7:54).
    I actually found the Kyber to be a lot tougher than the Glenn Rd and Furry Glenn. The little break in climbing by going downhill to the lake really breaks it up nicely and while the climb up to Knockmaroon gate is steep enough, it is quite short.

    Good session tonight. I'll rest up tomorrow for saturday. Groin feels A1. I have another session with the physio tomorrow and hope to get the all clear after it.

    12.3 miles at 8:27 pace HRM messed up again tonight (or else I have a dodgy ticker!). It has me jumping anywhere between 210 and 120 throughout the run.

    Great running menoscemo - i'll be one of the pacees. It will be my first time running Kyber. I'll need you to call me every name under the sun to get me up there. See you Saturday.


  • #566
    menoscemo
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    brophya2007 wrote: »
    Great running menoscemo - i'll be one of the pacees. It will be my first time running Kyber. I'll need you to call me every name under the sun to get me up there. See you Saturday.

    The Khyber is really not that bad. The point of the post was that the Glenn Rd bit is not as bad as people think - usually that's the one they dread most.

    The Kyber is only a 1 or 2% gradient, lasts just half a mile and is broken in the middle by a nice flat stretch. Be prepared to feel tired at the top though. The good news is that the 2 miles after it are downhill so you'll have a good chance to catch your breath back and recover.

    Come up to introduce yourself before the race and I'll give you a paceband.


  • #567
    brophya2007
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭brophya2007


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Come up to introduce yourself before the race and I'll give you a paceband.

    Thanks for the info and advise. I'll catch you before the race.


  • #568
    xebec
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    Happy Birthday!! Somebody with deep pockets better be coming to Ryan's, seems like there's a lot of birthdays around now!


  • #569
    osnola ibax
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    Happy birthday, no booze until 12:00 tomorrow


  • #570
    metamorphosis
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    Happy birthday!

    Best of luck pacing tomorrow.


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  • #571
    kennyb3
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    Happy Birthday dude


  • #572
    menoscemo
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    xebec wrote: »
    Happy Birthday!! Somebody with deep pockets better be coming to Ryan's, seems like there's a lot of birthdays around now!

    Yeah. Lot's of Virgos round these parts.


  • #573
    claralara
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    So... 1.58.49...:D Thank you so so much! Apologies for my lack of conversation...believe it or not I'm usually the biggest chatterbox on the block. Was raging I couldn't join yee for a pint but I had dessie dave duties to take care of. The nausea had passed and everything by then!Definitely next time though. Again, thanks a million!! Great to meet you :)


  • #574
    osnola ibax
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    Great job yesterday, well done


  • #575
    Blueskye
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    Happy belated birthday!!


  • #576
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Dammit! I had a really long post just typed out but lost it. I paced the Dublin Half marathon Yesterday with RQ. The Goal was 1:59:30 and came in at 1:59:22. Really pleased with that, it was a great experience- very rewarding. Met loads of nice people and had a blast doing the Job. I really hope to do it again and recommend it to anyone who gets the chance.

    The run up to the park was 4 miles so 17.2 total for the day

    Today: 5 mile recovery run @9:30 pace. The recovery was more from the drinking in Ryans after the race than any running I had done :pac:
    We must have been in the bar for nearly 12 hours :eek: Great fun was had by all. I think I may have made a bet with Sarsfield rock that I'll go sub 6hours in the conemarra ultra. Hopefully he was too drunk to remember :p

    Weekly total: 5 days running 51.6 miles


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  • #577
    Brianderunner
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    I think I may have made a bet with Sarsfield rock that I'll go sub 6hours in the conemarra ultra. Hopefully he was too drunk to remember :p

    That was 100 euro at 2/1 that you break it. There were witnesses you know, the bet stands. I wanted the same bet off him, think i made 3 or 4 prop bets on boarsies performances in races over the next few months :P.


  • #578
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Brianderunner wrote: »
    That was 100 euro at 2/1 that you break it. There were witnesses you know, the bet stands. I wanted the same bet off him, think i made 3 or 4 prop bets on boarsies performances in races over the next few months :P.

    Yep I know!! I can't refuse 2-1 especially when it was my secret goal already.

    You still on for that run on thursday evening?


  • #579
    Brianderunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Yep I know!! I can't refuse 2-1 especially when it was my secret goal already.

    You still on for that run on thursday evening?

    Yeah sure, 6 o clock at the same place?


  • #580
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Brianderunner wrote: »
    Yeah sure, 6 o clock at the same place?

    That's the one. It'll be the toughest run of my programme so I'll be glad of the company.


  • #581
    RacoonQueen
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    menoscemo wrote: »

    Today: 5 mile recovery run @9:30 pace. The recovery was more from the drinking in Ryans after the race than any running I had done :pac:
    We must have been in the bar for nearly 12 hours :eek: Great fun was had by all. I think I may have made a bet with Sarsfield rock that I'll go sub 6hours in the conemarra ultra. Hopefully he was too drunk to remember :p

    That's cos you fecked off early. Myself, Stephen and Brian were still going strong at about 1am, until Stephen disappeared with his boyfriend and Brian put me in a taxi. :pac:


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  • #582
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    That's cos you fecked off early. Myself, Stephen and Brian were still going strong at about 1am, until Stephen disappeared with his boyfriend and Brian put me in a taxi. :pac:

    Right.....memory a bit hazy alright, but the flatmate assures me I got home about midnight...Dunno how I ended up with your spar bag in that case. I ate your cheerios already but I still have that big bar of chocolate. I'll keep it for you as I'm allergic to nuts.

    Who is stephens Boyfriend? :pac: Do Spill :P


  • #583
    RacoonQueen
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Some dude randomly bought him a drink shortly after we got to the second pub, then they walked off together after we all left. What happened after that, only Xebec knows...


  • #584
    sarsfieldsrock
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    Brianderunner wrote: »
    That was 100 euro at 2/1 that you break it. There were witnesses you know, the bet stands. I wanted the same bet off him, think i made 3 or 4 prop bets on boarsies performances in races over the next few months :P.

    No I didn't get too drunk to not remember it.
    I will uphold the bet if you want but will also let you rescind it also if you want. There was drink taken on both our parts (putting it mildly) but it is a sub 6 hour in the Conn Ultra next year yeah?


  • #585
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    sarsfieldsrock wrote: »
    No I didn't get too drunk to not remember it.
    I will uphold the bet if you want but will also let you rescind it also if you want. There was drink taken on both our parts (putting it mildly) but it is a sub 6 hour in the Conn Ultra next year yeah?

    No, I'll take the bet. Nothing like a bet to keep me motivated.
    As Brian says there were witnesses and all. Sub 6 in April here I come (or die trying).

    By the way You're a bad man! You never let Oisin11178 in on the joke you played on him! He is still convinced the barman was really gonna throw him out :D
    Funniest moment of the night I have to say!


  • #586
    gerard65
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    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Some dude randomly bought him a drink shortly after we got to the second pub, then they walked off together after we all left. What happened after that, only Xebec knows...
    Confused:confused: I thought that he and ....... never mind:rolleyes:


  • #587
    xebec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭xebec


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Some dude randomly bought him a drink shortly after we got to the second pub, then they walked off together after we all left. What happened after that, only Xebec knows...

    WTF?!?! Eh, no I don't, I don't remember leaving Ryan's or anything till I woke up yesterday morning... Doesn't sound like I want to know either...

    Never. Drinking. Again.


  • #588
    rainbow kirby
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    xebec wrote: »
    Never. Drinking. Again.
    Famous last words.


  • #589
    RacoonQueen
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    xebec wrote: »
    WTF?!?! Eh, no I don't, I don't remember leaving Ryan's or anything till I woke up yesterday morning... Doesn't sound like I want to know either...

    Never. Drinking. Again.

    Are you sure you don't want me to fill you in?


  • #590
    claralara
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    This is classic entertainment!!


  • #591
    pgmcpq
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    Great job on the pacing - lot of pressure in that. Belated happy birthday


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  • #592
    Aimman
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    xebec wrote: »
    WTF?!?! Eh, no I don't, I don't remember leaving Ryan's or anything till I woke up yesterday morning... Doesn't sound like I want to know either...

    I'm glad I left when I did so :-)


  • #593
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Are you sure you don't want me to fill you in?
    Fill the rest of us in ;)


  • #594
    gerard65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭gerard65


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    Are you sure you don't want me to fill you in?
    I think he's already been filled in saturday night. Is that a closet door I hear opening:eek:


  • #595
    Brianderunner
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    Now that i think about it stephens boyfriends friends were being suspiciously nice to me in the pub, did he take us to a gay bar after we left Ryans? :D Talk about hijacking a thread.


  • #596
    Aimman
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    Brianderunner wrote: »
    Now that i think about it stephens boyfriends friends were being suspiciously nice to me in the pub, did he take us to a gay bar after we left Ryans? :D Talk about hijacking a thread.

    Are you sure it wasnt Frank and Ken dragging him away? I have my suspicions after their behaviour, lol. they said the powder they were putting in his drink was a protien shake. :eek:


  • #597
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Lads where did youse all go after Ryans the other night, The George?

    Anyway let's get this thread back on topic.....

    Tonight P&D said 8 miles with 5 x 600m @ 5k pace.

    My Plan was 8 with 4 @LT pace.

    Was feeling awful from the get go tonight, even in the 2 mile warm up, and frankly I wasn't looking forward to 4 fast miles in a row. I launched into it anyway. The First went by in 7:05 (160) and the second (slightly uphill) in 7:14 (167) was really feeling it already and my form was all over the shop (the stride was short, shoulders tense and breathing erratic), after half a mile of the 3rd mile (looking back I was going at about 7:05 pace and 168 HR) I gave in and slowed down. I was feeling pretty disgusted with myself for being such a nancy boy. So after another couple of easy miles I decided to give the last mile a lash, but concentrate purely on lengthening my stride, keeping the shoulders relaxed and good breathing. I never looked at my watch until it bleeped but I really felt good the whole way this time. My stride was very long and I didn't feel I was turning my legs over as fast as before and was feeling really relaxed. Surprisingly when the garmin Bleeped it said 6:39- my fastest ever training mile. The Av HR was just 161 for that fast mile, so there was definately much more there.

    I feel good that I managed to turn around a bad training session and felt really positive at the end. Even better news is that despte the pace of the last mile the groin gave me no hassle whatsoever. I have been doing a lot of strengthening work on it the last week so hopefully it is paying dividends.

    8 Miles 7:59 av pace. 151 Av HR


  • #598
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Well, I think I know why I was feeling so lethargic yesterday. I woke up this morning with a throat like Gravel and have been wheezing and sneezing all day.

    I had planned 11 tonight but settled just to do this weeks recovery run instead. I might not be up to much at all tomorrow. But better to get this cold out of the way now than in a month.

    4.3 miles @ 9:00 pace. HR 137.

    I did about 7 strides as well which all felt fine. I hadn't been able to do any for the last fortnight due to the groin, so it is definately much better.


  • #599
    gerard65
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    Are you still doing Rathfarnham on Sunday?


  • #600
    menoscemo
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    gerard65 wrote: »
    Are you still doing Rathfarnham on Sunday?

    70/30 in favour at the moment, depends if the cold clears up and the groin holds up. I have a tough workout on thursday night and I'll see how I come through that.

    What are you shooting for yourself?


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  • #601
    Aimman
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    menoscemo wrote: »
    depends if the cold clears up and the groin holds up.

    Lemsip and Viagra shoud do it :D


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