GSD i70

Thunderbird2 · 02-05-2013 11:01pm

What are the apps called

KoolKid · 02-05-2013 11:02pm

No idea TBH...
Just give me the APK file for Android & off I go...;)

belcampprisoner · 02-05-2013 11:06pm

i would not use wireless unless you have to

if you do screw the sensors up dont stick them,when getting insurance you have to declare it was put in my licenced installer

KoolKid · 02-05-2013 11:10pm

belcampprisoner wrote: »

i would not use wireless unless you have to

if you do screw the sensors up dont stick them,when getting insurance you have to declare it was put in my licenced installer

You can declare a system was self installed & let them decide what discount you get. Just make sure its clear on your insurance documents.

AWSG · 23-06-2013 6:47pm

Hi can you pm me a pricelist too? Like the look of gsd and its good to break the monopoly hkc have had, competition is good!!!!

altor · 23-06-2013 10:05pm

Has anyone installed one of these units yet, if so any reports?

KoolKid · 23-06-2013 10:58pm

I know one or 2 people who have.
There is a date of the 1st July for the apps etc to be fully available.
Holding out till then at this stage.

altor · 23-06-2013 11:00pm

KoolKid wrote: »

I know one or 2 people who have.
There is a date of the 1st July for the apps etc to be fully available.
Holding out till then at this stage.

Any issues?

KoolKid · 23-06-2013 11:08pm

I know of one issue with a receiver , I think.
But heard they were very helpful coming out on site to fix.

altor · 23-06-2013 11:12pm

Be interesting to see if there are any other issues. Keep us informed

Evolution1 · 11-04-2014 6:19pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGB1ez92gBw

Looks pretty cool .. RFID tags included in the kit .
Some sort of IP camera that works with the app.

KoolKid · 11-04-2014 7:20pm

Rfid tags are included. Not sure if IP cameras are available yet. I hope to be in there Monday. I'll check it out.

Evolution1 · 11-04-2014 9:00pm

It looks very good. Wonder how i could link this in with a set of automatic gates to disarm the alarm upon swiping a valid RFID tag without the risk of the RFID reader being tampered with. If anyone knows the frequency of the RFID tags I'd appreciate the details in a PM.

KoolKid · 11-04-2014 9:51pm

What do you want to do?
Have a reader at the gate and when this gets a valid swipe open the gate and dis arm the alarm?
Easily done with outputs from the reader into inputs on the panel.
Don't think you are going to get the rfid frequency here.

Evolution1 · 11-04-2014 10:11pm

Should have the freq on Monday as I want to use my own RFID tags

That's exactly what I'd like to do but without the risk of the keypad being removed and wires connected/disconnected to disarm the system.
Unless I also used the tamper output on the RFID reader so that when that's triggered the alarm activates another output connected to a relay which disables connections to the RFID reader altogether.

KoolKid · 11-04-2014 10:30pm

On most good readers there wouldn't be a pair you can simply short out.
If there is the frequency is irrelevant.

Evolution1 · 11-04-2014 11:20pm

I just assumed they worked like most keypads.. Using a relay to break or make a circuit .

KoolKid · 12-04-2014 12:37am

For a prox reader I wouldn't use a stand alone unit with a relay on board.

stuartkee · 14-04-2014 11:16pm

I was talking to peter from GSD at the ideal homes and he told me that you can wire astec sensors into the wired zones handy idea that and the ip cam is very close to he wasn't over the moon though when I showed him the HKC gprs module with the app working on the quantum he though it was similar to his haha fuuny I though when he called his panel the I70

kub · 15-04-2014 12:37am

stuartkee wrote: »

I was talking to peter from GSD at the ideal homes and he told me that you can wire astec sensors into the wired zones handy idea that and the ip cam is very close to he wasn't over the moon though when I showed him the HKC gprs module with the app working on the quantum he though it was similar to his haha fuuny I though when he called his panel the I70

Whats this about HKC App working

??? IS it since when?

KoolKid · 15-04-2014 5:31am

We have been here before. It's still on test AFAIK. There's a road show coming that will release it and give us all a look. Using GPS for an app should really be for where there is no IP solution..
Still waiting to hear if HKC are planning to charge for their app or use?
As I said to Peter before, I don't think this is an option given what's already available for free.
The Astec expander is sweet though.

Astec master · 15-04-2014 10:42am

Yes the Zone expander works very well with any of the 63/49 panel range,
it can also be used to take over most panels with or without on board keypad, (ie cs350.)
I hear the HKC app will be out in the summer.
Peter from GSD told me he was quite happy with what he had seen.:D

stuartkee · 16-04-2014 12:07am

yes good move on gsd's part makes take overs a little easier and the HKC app is out end of may

stuartkee · 16-04-2014 12:33am

Yes Kub the HKC app is up and running well I had it working over the weekend at the ideal homes expo for the 3 days and not a glitch was very impressed with it but it wont appeal to every one id say the gsm will still be the biggest seller as you need a smartphone and a data plan on your own fone to use the app and not every one has that but it can still be used as a text digi aswell as the app but you need to sign the customer up to HKC on a yearly contract as they own the world sim in the unit but when the customer downloads the app the app has your company name branded on it a nice touch I think . I also has the wifi card too all out by the end of may

KoolKid · 16-04-2014 7:28am

I would think data is becoming cheaper and inclusive in most phone packages now anyway.
If you want to use the app on IP and data only is there any charges?
Does this also give you notifications or do you need a digi as well?

stuartkee · 16-04-2014 11:24pm

no digi needed for sms it does either app or text or both at the same time no difference . not sure about using it to contact a monitoring station as yet under the same sim charge but I have asked so when I here I will let you know

cerastes · 17-04-2014 8:43pm

Astec master wrote: »

Yes the Zone expander works very well with any of the 63/49 panel range,
it can also be used to take over most panels with or without on board keypad, (ie cs350.)
I hear the HKC app will be out in the summer.
Peter from GSD told me he was quite happy with what he had seen.:D

This looks interesting, even though Id have to admit when I saw it, I thought it looked similar to alarms I saw on ebay, but if it works.
Does it come as a complete kit? how much? or can it be gotten with a selection of parts, like no wireless sensors? if you might want it to use your current panel.

@astec master, I have a CS350 and you mention this panel can take over my panel type? Ive all wired zones, from whats mentioned this has two wired zones.
So is it using the expander that this can take over another panel?
I'm using PSTN, but I want to get rid of it as Im intending on ditching the phoneline and using broadband instead.

pg141 · 10-02-2015 10:57pm

Could someone, pm me the following

A price of
i70 board/hyrbid board as well
Smoke detector's
Carbon Detector's
Grade 2 Wireless Shock/Contact Sensor
GSDi Grade 2 Wireless Personal Attack (PA) Button

Looking to upgrade system at the house, It's my understanding that this is linked via wifi so it can be monitored via web/smart phone?

thanks

altor · 10-02-2015 11:02pm

pg141 wrote: »

Could someone, pm me the following

A price of
i70 board/hyrbid board as well
Smoke detector's
Carbon Detector's
Grade 2 Wireless Shock/Contact Sensor
GSDi Grade 2 Wireless Personal Attack (PA) Button

Looking to upgrade system at the house, It's my understanding that this is linked via wifi so it can be monitored via web/smart phone?

thanks

Here is a link to the suppliers list for this system.
You would need to contact them for pricing.

You need to link the system to your router to use the app.

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 12:06am

pg141 wrote: »

Looking to upgrade system at the house, It's my understanding that this is linked via wifi so it can be monitored via web/smart phone?

thanks

It can be connected to your broadband via WiFi or LAN directly or via LAN using TP link adapters or similar.

altor · 11-02-2015 12:14am

KoolKid wrote: »

It can be connected to your broadband via WiFi or LAN directly or via LAN using TP link adapters or similar.

Have GSD got GPRS backup?

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 12:20am

For the App it uses IP. You can back up all the paths in the usual ways.

altor · 11-02-2015 12:21am

KoolKid wrote: »

For the App it uses IP. You can back up all the paths in the usual ways.

Using the app through data with a sim?

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 12:25am

There are plenty of ways to do that too yes?

altor · 11-02-2015 12:28am

KoolKid wrote: »

There are plenty of ways to do that too yes?

Have GSD got a module to do this?

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 12:30am

Not a GSD product . So again they won't be charging. But plenty of ways to do it very cheaply if a customer really wants it.
Data & world SIMs are very cheap if you shop around.

altor · 11-02-2015 12:35am

KoolKid wrote: »

Not a GSD product . So again they won't be charging. But plenty of ways to do it very cheaply if a customer really wants it.
Data & world SIMs are very cheap if you shop around.

How much per month is the world data sim?

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 12:37am

Like I said and like the advice we always give ...Shop Around.
There are a few options withing the industry for sourcing these.

altor · 11-02-2015 12:42am

KoolKid wrote: »

Like I said and like the advice we always give ...Shop Around.
There are a few options withing the industry for sourcing these.

What else is included in this cost for the sim, can you send commands to the system by text for arming/disarming if data coverage is down on your phone?

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 12:53am

altor wrote: »

What else is included in this cost for the sim, can you send commands to the system by text for arming/disarming if data coverage is down on your phone?

Why would you wan't to send text commands if you have a data connection??
But yes, that would be possible in lots of ways also,
I think you are getting yourself a little bogged down with GPRS because HKC don't have IP and you wish to sell customers a subscription charges.
I can't think of any other reason why you would be asking questions any experienced installer should know the answers to.

I have been doing IP panels for years now. I have never had one single attack on any sites IP connection. If there is an issues that a customer feels they may be vulnerable or their connection may go down at the same time as a break in, or want extra security then any path can be backed up multiple times. There are 100s of ways to do this using any type of comms you wish. You are in the industry, you should know how to do this with out asking all the silly questions.

altor · 11-02-2015 1:14am

KoolKid wrote: »

Why would you wan't to send text commands if you have a data connection??
But yes, that would be possible in lots of ways also,
I think you are getting yourself a little bogged down with GPRS because HKC don't have IP and you wish to sell customers a subscription charges.
I can't think of any other reason why you would be asking questions any experienced installer should know the answers to.
I have been doing IP panels for years now. I have never had one single attack on any sites IP connection. If there is an issues that a customer feels they may be vulnerable or their connection may go down at the same time as a break in, or want extra security then any path can be backed up multiple times. There are 100s of ways to do this using any type of comms you wish. You are in the industry, you should know how to do this with out asking all the silly questions.

With texts commands you will receive a text anywhere in the world regardless of a data connection to your panel. IP can go down, power can be off, cables can be cut, your coverage on your phone may also be down. There are plenty of reasons but I am sure you are aware of these.

Text command can be used as a back up. If you are away and have data switched off on your phone you wont receive any notification through you app or by email so as silly as it may sound to you other people here may find it informative!!!

These are growing concerns and hence the use of multi paths to a system.
Its not about selling anything. Its about offering whats available.

You say there are plenty of ways to do it very cheaply but how much does it cost to do it cheaply?

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 9:43am

Amazing how quick you are to point out the vulnerability of IP. As I have said I have yet to see one attack on this path.
As you are well aware text can also be affected by numerous factors.
Message stuck in a busy message centre.
Slow communication waiting for texts and confirmation texts. GSM can be blocked, this is a major vulnerability with using gprs. But as an experienced installer I'm sure you know all this.
Re pricing information on Sims.... Follow your own advice and shop around. I have some pricing agreements in place. But that would be commercially sensitive information that I would not be comfortable posting on a public forum.

marge2006 · 11-02-2015 4:21pm

What companies use these GSD panels ? I have rang a few in my area and they use either hkc or Aritech. I live in Laois.

altor · 11-02-2015 4:48pm

marge2006 wrote: »

What companies use these GSD panels ? I have rang a few in my area and they use either hkc or Aritech. I live in Laois.

If you ring GSD direct they will tell you.

altor · 11-02-2015 4:56pm

KoolKid wrote: »

Amazing how quick you are to point out the vulnerability of IP. As I have said I have yet to see one attack on this path.
As you are well aware text can also be affected by numerous factors.
Message stuck in a busy message centre.
Slow communication waiting for texts and confirmation texts. GSM can be blocked, this is a major vulnerability with using gprs. But as an experienced installer I'm sure you know all this.
Re pricing information on Sims.... Follow your own advice and shop around. I have some pricing agreements in place. But that would be commercially sensitive information that I would not be comfortable posting on a public forum.

All paths are vulnerable to an attack be that from human error, plugging out a modem or a cable being cut to numerous other activity. No one is disputing that.

What bugs me is you comparing something you say is cheaper then pulling a commercially sensitive information rather than giving an answer. If that's what you are going to say then don't tell us you have a cheaper solution.

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 8:58pm

I am not here to educate you on everything. Its not that long ago we had to explain the basics of resistance to you.
It confuses me that someone like yourself would not know loads of ways to do this.Your advice to everyone else here is to shop around. Why don't you follow your own advice and do that and some research while you are at it. A little knowledge may well save you & your customers some money. It also confuses me why you are so adamant to push an unnecessary subscription onto customers. As I asked in the other thread is it true there has been a price increase to this subscription already?
Also what do you think will happen with this GPRS package once video streaming of multiple 1 & 2 MP cameras are added.

altor · 11-02-2015 11:25pm

KoolKid wrote: »

I am not here to educate you on everything. Its not that long ago we had to explain the basics of resistance to you.
It confuses me that someone like yourself would not know loads of ways to do this.Your advice to everyone else here is to shop around. Why don't you follow your own advice and do that and some research while you are at it. A little knowledge may well save you & your customers some money. It also confuses me why you are so adamant to push an unnecessary subscription onto customers. As I asked in the other thread is it true there has been a price increase to this subscription already?
Also what do you think will happen with this GPRS package once video streaming of multiple 1 & 2 MP cameras are added.

Always back to the ole reliable haha.. Anyway, not that long ago that you learn an external bell contained a back up battery

Still laugh at that one

Anyway, Since you where saying about this cheap option i though you might give us all the information but as usual your hands are tied..

I would say they will have other plans or options when they release the PIR cameras. I am not privy to that information at this point.

KoolKid · 11-02-2015 11:29pm

I have an option to sell something in a more competitive manner that clearly you don't understand. But you wan't me to share that with you & educate you in the process??

But yet you use the same answer yourself??
This is business 101 just like resistance is Alarms 101 .

altor · 11-02-2015 11:31pm

KoolKid wrote: »

I have an option to sell something in a more competitive manner that clearly you don't understand. But you wan't me to share that with you & educate you in the process??
But yet you use the same answer yourself??
This is business 101 just like resistance is Alarms 101 .

I don't care if you share or not

I wont be losing any sleep.

Astec master · 12-02-2015 12:47pm

pg141 wrote: »

Could someone, pm me the following

A price of
i70 board/hyrbid board as well
Smoke detector's
Carbon Detector's
Grade 2 Wireless Shock/Contact Sensor
GSDi Grade 2 Wireless Personal Attack (PA) Button

Looking to upgrade system at the house, It's my understanding that this is linked via wifi so it can be monitored via web/smart phone?

thanks[/QUOTE You can visit the GSD website and view the GSD panel and app experience video
I am not allowed to post the link as i am new to Boards

GSD i70

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