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GSD i70

  • 11-04-2013 9:59pm
    #1
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Hi following on from this thread I thought I would post some views on this panel after getting a very good demonstration of this today at ISEC.

    Looks wise I like it,
    http://www.globalsecurity.ie/store/grade_2_wireless_intruder_alarm_.asp#page
    Tidy, compact & fresh looking.
    Not mad about their bells, but with the kit coming with an on board expander I would be using a global bell anyway.
    All wireless is 2 way so that eliminates the old arguments re that.
    IP lan card is very reasonably priced & now gives us IP on a cheaper panel available to everyone. IP is fully available , Apps are finished & available.
    Also remote configuration software is nice.
    Best of all is the ability to push notifications via the App. You can now have full remote control & monitoring via IP. This truly is free ongoing monitoring.
    IP access is also free with no charges for the App or access or use of the portal.
    Pricing is very competitive with both HKC & Visonic.
    This is how a new panel should be launched. Congrats to Aiden & all involved.
    I, for one am pretty excited about this panel. They have recognized the need for a reasonable IP panel that seems to tick all the boxes.


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  • #2
    Ninjakettle
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Ninjakettle


    Is there a GSM module (correct term?) available at launch for it? Or does it support other dialers?


  • #3
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    It has a built in PSTN/Voice dialler. There is a GSM available.
    But IP is the cheaper option once you have broadband.


  • #4
    Ninjakettle
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Ninjakettle


    Thanks.

    This questions is a bit general so feel free to move it - but would IP be considered less reliable than GSM?
    Power cut (intentional or otherwise) or broadband outage would probably be more common than cellular outage. Also, would IP be usable for alarm monitoring? Does this or any IP unit use VOIP calling to the monitoring service?


  • #5
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    IMO IP is more secure than GSM.
    We have had these debates over & over & people have different views.
    You can find flaws in them all if you want to. I have UPC broadband & I have not had down time in months. When it does go down its usually just for 1-2 minutes.
    Likewise I can't remember the last power cut I've had.
    Remember GSM is the one that can be blocked without any physical tampering.


  • #6
    Ninjakettle
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Ninjakettle


    I do like the idea of IP controlled security!
    Do you know if apps are for iphone and android? presumably it's all browser accessible too?

    Is this available for purchase soon?


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  • #7
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Apps are for both Android and iPhone.
    They are saying the panel will be in suppliers in the next week.


  • #8
    John Kelly of
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭John Kelly of


    That looks interesting Koolkid. Do you have any idea of how much this panel and the other devices will cost?


  • #9
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Slightly dearer than Visonic but cheaper than HKC.
    PM me an email and I'll send you the price list.


  • #10
    Ninjakettle
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭Ninjakettle


    KoolKid wrote: »
    It has a built in PSTN/Voice dialler. There is a GSM available.
    But IP is the cheaper option once you have broadband.

    If using IP for monitoring for notification - do you know if alerts are sent only via a data chain (to a phone app, or email) or if it's possible (via SIP service or otherwise) to have the system text or ring a phone physically?


  • #11
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Its possible via a PSTN line or GSM to get standard voice or text alerts.
    Via IP its push notifications AFAIK.


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  • #12
    Retrovertigo
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭Retrovertigo


    Any chance you could PM me a price list as well Koolkid?


  • #13
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    All for this panel ... Can't fault it as of yet.
    I thought it was going to be a grade 3 panel though .
    What is it like operation wise ?
    finally a new fleet of panels to put the old stuff to shame .
    Any idea when it will be for sale ?
    Will there be any RF keypads or touchscreens?
    Size wise what is it like to the quantum ?
    Are all devices 2-way ?


  • #14
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Within the next week. I was to get up to a meeting with GSD this week, but I just didn't get a chance. Looks wise it's nice and fresh. See the link in my first post. I also like the large screen display. There is a touch screen on the way, I believe.
    Yes, the wireless is 2 way..
    Size wise it's more compact than the Quantum.


  • #15
    Jnealon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,064 ✭✭✭Jnealon


    afaik anything wireless is grade 2.

    The polling times and anti-masking requirements for grade 3 would mean changing batteries every month


  • #16
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    Would every 20 secs not be sufficient for grade 3 ?
    HKCs poll every 20 sec but it won't show a fault for 20 mins minimum . Kinda defeats the purpose of polling every 20 secs. I thought that it being 2-way would mean polls aren't lost . . It will display it though if you try to arm .. "Waiting for Z2 back door" continue arming ?

    any idea how the GSD reacts to sensors losing comms ?


  • #17
    John Kelly of
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭John Kelly of


    As far as I can gather the new hkc lan card can be used to arm/disarm and to access logs over the internet but it will not notify the user of alarm activations. This means they would have to also purchase a dtv or gsm for self monitoring. wtf?


  • #18
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    They are also not very clear about how it will handle connections, with talk of paid subscriptions etc. They are playing catch up again it would seem.


  • #19
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    Any word on the i70?


  • #20
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Ready to go AFAIK.
    I'm away after the bank holiday , I'm hoping to get stuck into this once I'm back.


  • #21
    Inbox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Inbox


    Can someone pm me a price list please?


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  • #22
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Sent you a PM..;)


  • #23
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    Has anyone got to play around with the panel yet ? Any good ?


  • #24
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Yeah , spent a few hours with it with Aiden last week. I'm well impressed.
    All going well we will be rolling this out in a couple of weeks.


  • #25
    Inbox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Inbox


    Who designs all this equipmentand are they made in Ireland?


  • #26
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    GSD & Yes they are Irish.


  • #27
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    How is the system armed ?
    Is it the traditional 0#7 + code?


  • #28
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Who uses that anymore???:confused:


  • #29
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    Who doesn't use it haha... It's the easiest/quickest way to arm a system :D
    Every co I've been with uses it


  • #30
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    The only system still using it is HKC.
    Before that it was Home Guard/Vista 5.... Don't think you were installing them ;)


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  • #31
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    Aritech systems ,,
    Then other systems use dedicated keys like lock symbols and then request the code .


  • #32
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    Is this the vista 5 ? I used this once and I think it's still going strong


  • #33
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    The Aritech CD range is obsolete now, so is the Vista 5.
    Anyway the i70 like Siemens & many other newer systems uses a very simple menu navigation system.


  • #34
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    I'd say that has its limitations . Elderly and people suffering from sight loss... May give it a shot


    They may be obsolete but in fairness they'll probably outlast all these newer systems since there not that complicated.


  • #35
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Thunderbird2 wrote: »
    I'd say that has its limitations . Elderly and people suffering from sight loss... May give it a shot
    That's where the large screen display comes in handy. Not to mention key fobs & phone apps.
    Thunderbird2 wrote: »
    They may be obsolete but in fairness they'll probably outlast all these newer systems since there not that complicated.
    By that logic we would all still be carrying around our old 088 mobile bricks...
    I actually love the amount of people in this business who hate change. The amount of Siemens systems I sell simply because the 5 other quotes the customer got were from people insisting they should have an older panel..:eek:
    Lets have more of them I say...;)


  • #36
    Thunderbird2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Thunderbird2


    How would they be of use to a blind person .a keyfob wont let them know which zone tripped ;). Ah I'm not aiming that at just alarms ,, technology in general ,
    Everything's designed to be disposable
    Inertia sensors for example ;)


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  • #37
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    A blind person could get text alerts which are read out.
    A pace or wireless key fob would make it easier to set & unset a system .
    Obviousally everything is disposable, noting lasts forever.
    Why do you single out inertia's? Have you never come across the big old Sharp ones. Ive plenty of them still performing perfectly 20 years on.


  • #38
    Gabico
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Gabico


    KoolKid wrote: »
    Sent you a PM..;)

    Can I have the price list as well? Thanks


  • #39
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    PMed you that.


  • #40
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭altor


    John Kelly of wrote: »
    As far as I can gather the new hkc lan card can be used to arm/disarm and to access logs over the internet but it will not notify the user of alarm activations. This means they would have to also purchase a dtv or gsm for self monitoring. wtf?

    The lan card will have push to mobile so it will be able to notify end users of alarm activation's.
    A must for any app for self monitoring a system.
    No need to purchase any other equipment unless you require another form of monitoring.

    www.altor.ie



  • #41
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    altor wrote: »
    The lan card will have push to mobile so it will be able to notify end users of alarm activation's.
    A must for any app for self monitoring a system.
    No need to purchase any other equipment unless you require another form of monitoring.

    Any clarification on whether HKC are going to charge for IP access or not?
    Free connection is a must for any panel with IP access.


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  • #42
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Dont think they are as far as I know..

    www.altor.ie



  • #43
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    altor wrote: »
    Dont think they are as far as I know..

    It seems a very strange way to go if they do decide to charge. But I find it very odd that they won't give a straight answer.


  • #44
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Self monitoring over IP has not being released as yet.
    I am sure they will give us a straight answer when it is.

    www.altor.ie



  • #45
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    They seemed unsure about any connection over IP or whether there was even a browser on the panel to allow direct access.
    Still very up in the air unfortunately.
    Once you have IP connectivity everything should be available.


  • #46
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭altor


    For end users it is not finalized.
    Engineers will have access to the panel over IP and smartlink 700.

    www.altor.ie



  • #47
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Back to the waiting game again so.....:(


  • #48
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭altor


    Sure the wait will be worth it when it is released :D

    www.altor.ie



  • #49
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    If you hear it for long enough...................................
    Hand up to GSD. They learn't from their mistakes & came back with a proper launch with working parts.


  • #50
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭altor


    KoolKid wrote: »
    If you hear it for long enough...................................
    Hand up to GSD. They learn't from their mistakes & came back with a proper launch with working parts.

    Nearly all working parts :rolleyes:
    You know what I mean hahaha

    Few features like the voice library when using PSTN, keyfobs, wire free keypads, option to add a wired keypad either. Wire free external bell would be a good add on to the system.

    Apps not out yet either...

    www.altor.ie



  • #51
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    I prefer the opposite, the options to add wired bell as standard. Most at the training agreed a wired bell is preferable. The apps are finished I have seen them working. They are just waiting on approval via App Store and Play Store.
    That doesn't prevent you installing them on a phone etc...


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