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2014 NFL Draft

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Nice deep ball from Johnny Football.

    http://instagram.com/p/m_iVrTo3Ff


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    HigginsJ wrote: »
    Nice deep ball from Johnny Football.

    http://instagram.com/p/m_iVrTo3Ff

    I really hope that it works out for him in the league. He reminds me so much of what I would act like if I was in his position. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Paully D wrote: »
    I really hope that it works out for him in the league. He reminds me so much of what I would act like if I was in his position. :pac:

    Ha ha, it's so true. I've got more Ryan Leaf in me than Peyton Manning.

    The dedication it takes to be an NFL QB is nuts. Apparently two days after the Denver loss, Tom Brady was doing workouts with his private Strength and Conditioning coach. You hear about the hours in the film room. In 15 years, you never see a video like the one above come with Peyton or Brady or.... any QB who takes himself and the position seriously.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Sure you didn't think players sit in the off-season!? Any player that's not keeping himself fit year round isn't going to last very long in the NFL or any sport.

    Plenty of things exceptional about Brady but that's not one of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    How much of an impact will the later draft have on rookie players this year? Will the 3 or so weeks where they could have been learning play books etc. prevent them from having a good rookie season?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    Syferus wrote: »

    Plenty of things exceptional about Brady but that's not one of them.

    Well the trainer in question has numerous NFL clients, and he said Brady was the first one to visit him after his season ended -- including guys who never even made the playoffs.

    I think I read it in the US Men's Health, so no linky unfortunately.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
    Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

    Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

    1) Clowney
    2) Watkins
    3) Mack
    4) Matthews
    5) Robinson

    What about you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭kennyb3


    Paully D wrote: »
    Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
    Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

    Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

    1) Clowney
    2) Watkins
    3) Mack
    4) Matthews
    5) Robinson

    What about you?
    Clowney, mack, Watkins, Robinson, Matthews for me of those 5.

    Interestingly no qb's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Paully D wrote: »
    Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
    Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

    Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

    1) Clowney
    2) Watkins
    3) Mack
    4) Matthews
    5) Robinson

    What about you?

    Clowney & Matthews would probably be in my top 5 and I'd pass on the rest


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭nerd69


    Paully D wrote: »
    Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
    Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

    Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

    1) Clowney
    2) Watkins
    3) Mack
    4) Matthews
    5) Robinson

    What about you?

    Without looking at team needs if go

    1.clowney
    2.robinson
    3.mack
    4.matthews
    5.watkins

    (Although I'm getting to the stage where id nearly go evens before Watkins)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭taidghbaby


    davyjose wrote: »
    Well the trainer in question has numerous NFL clients, and he said Brady was the first one to visit him after his season ended -- including guys who never even made the playoffs.

    I think I read it in the US Men's Health, so no linky unfortunately.

    He needs it though :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Brilliant from the Onion.
    NEW YORK—With the 2014 NFL Draft less than a month away, sources confirmed Tuesday that GMs from across the league are closely studying a Bleacher Report slideshow titled “Ranking The Top 100 NFL Draft Prospects” before making their final decisions.

    “Dammit, we had [University of Michigan offensive tackle Taylor] Lewan going top 10, but we must have missed something at the combine, because he’s ranked 17th on here,” said Baltimore Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome, frantically rearranging the team’s draft board while paging through the slideshow.

    “See this? [Vanderbilt wide receiver] Jordan Matthews ‘can get open and just seems to find the ball’—forget everybody else, we have to take this guy first round. Christ, why the hell weren’t we able to find out this info from our scouting reports?”

    At press time, Newsome had decided to scrap the team’s potential selections entirely after coming across a new mock draft posted on FanSided.com.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    I did this over the weekend on Reddit. Won't embed it as it's huge, but it's all major/noteworthy QB's college stats going back to those eligible for the 2010 Draft. The stats are split by the following:

    - Career Stats
    - Stats vs Defenses ranked outside of the Top 35 FootballOutsiders DFEI Rankings (DFEI = the opponent-adjusted efficiency of the given team's
    defense)
    - Stats vs those ranked top 35
    - Stats vs those ranked top 10

    Heat map included on some of the stats. Rule of thumb is White = Good, Dark = Bad.

    Image: http://i.imgur.com/LIttqxw.jpg
    Excel DL: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byq9zN34XQqTdFY1b3NHZFNBMHc/edit?usp=sharing

    Obviously nothing definitive about it, and it's quite obvious that stats decline as the quality of the opposition get better. But just interesting to how some QB's have fared vs the better defenses. Russell Wilson leads many of the categories and stands out like a sore thumb.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭nerd69


    jesus your a glutton for punishment jamarcus great work


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭UnitedIrishman


    Interesting reading JaMarcus. Spent the last half hour at work looking over all that. Just shows, given the stats and the personality and what we saw from Wilson on the whiteboard how ridiculous it was that he was passed over by so many just because of his height. His stats particularly against top 10 sides is impressive.

    Edit: .. and I've just read the bottom of your post and realised you've just said that..

    What do you take from this years draft class from those stats?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭davyjose


    I did this over the weekend on Reddit. Won't embed it as it's huge, but it's all major/noteworthy QB's college stats going back to those eligible for the 2010 Draft. The stats are split by the following:

    - Career Stats
    - Stats vs Defenses ranked outside of the Top 35 FootballOutsiders DFEI Rankings (DFEI = the opponent-adjusted efficiency of the given team's
    defense)
    - Stats vs those ranked top 35
    - Stats vs those ranked top 10

    Heat map included on some of the stats. Rule of thumb is White = Good, Dark = Bad.

    Image: http://i.imgur.com/LIttqxw.jpg
    Excel DL: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byq9zN34XQqTdFY1b3NHZFNBMHc/edit?usp=sharing

    Obviously nothing definitive about it, and it's quite obvious that stats decline as the quality of the opposition get better. But just interesting to how some QB's have fared vs the better defenses. Russell Wilson leads many of the categories and stands out like a sore thumb.

    I saw this on reddit. Great job, man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    What do you take from this years draft class from those stats?

    Nothing particular surprising to be honest. Mainly that it's amazing how much physical attributes will do for a QB even if he doesn't have the stats and track record to go with it (I'm looking at you Logan Thomas and Tom Savage).

    Picking a sleeper based on stats, it's hard to look past Tajh Boyd on value for money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    La Canfora is reporting that the Falcons are spending a lot of time with Clowney.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24538302/falcons-spending-more-time-with-clowney-draft-trade-up-deal-in-works
    The Atlanta Falcons will spend more time with Jadeveon Clowney on Friday.

    The Falcons, who numerous league sources say remain very focused on South Carolina pass rusher Clowney, hosted him for a visit this week and are scheduled to spent more time with him Friday.

    The Falcons are seen by many execs as the team most likely to trade up to first overall with Houston, with Clowney their target. Pass rush remains a big void for the team,which hopes to bounce back to Super Bowl contention after a disastrous 2013. GM Thomas Demitroff has pulled off big draft-day moves in the past and the Texans are very open to trading down, with at least three players under consideration for the top selection.

    Clowney was in Atlanta on Wednesday and on Friday he will not have a full workout for them, but, according to a source, he "will do a few things on the field," with Falcons brass on campus. The Falcons are likely to work out South Carolina WR Bruce Ellington as well.

    The Texans could well take Clowney is they stay at first overall, but if they trade down, Central Florida quarterback Blake Bortles would be in play, while the Texans have also spent considerable time considering Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack, who won't be there at No. 6 overall, as well as quarterback Johnny Manziel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    This Tom Savage bandwagon is ridiculous really. He's just a good size and can throw the ball very long. That's it. Anyone taking him earlier than late on day 3 is mental IMO. How on earth people can justify him as a late 1st, early 2nd rounder while keeping a straight face I will never know. Crazy.

    This tweet below is fantastic from @genecollier:
    The more draft analysis I read the more I'm sure #Pitt could have used a quarterback like Tom Savage

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Speaking of over-rated QB's. What exactly is good about Aaron Murray? Jamarcus?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭franglan


    Tom Savage is this years Ryan Nassib. Big stupid lookin' arm followed by the words "intriguing prospect".


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    franglan wrote: »
    Tom Savage is this years Ryan Nassib. Big stupid lookin' arm followed by the words "intriguing prospect".

    Ryan Nassib makes me sad


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    franglan wrote: »
    Tom Savage is this years Ryan Nassib. Big stupid lookin' arm followed by the words "intriguing prospect".

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/24/bills-fear-jets-will-take-ryan-nassib/
    If Bills coach Doug Marrone loves his old Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib as much as everyone says, then it would make sense for Buffalo to pick Nassib with the No. 8 overall pick in the draft. But no one else seems to love Nassib as much as Marrone does, which might suggest that the Bills could trade down from No. 8 and get Nassib late in the first round, or even take Nassib with their second-round pick.

    The problem, however, is that the Bills are worried that a team in their own division may quietly love Nassib just as much as they do.

    That team is the Jets: According to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN, Buffalo believes the Jets are seriously interested in Nassib, and the Bills fear that if they don’t draft Nassib, they might end up facing him twice a year.

    I don't think I can handle another two weeks of this stuff like the above from last year. :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭phatkev


    Report: Former Ohio State CB Bradley Roby arrested for OVI

    http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2014/4/24/5650936/former-ohio-state-corner-bradley-roby-arrested-for-ovi

    Not the smartest move with less than 2 weeks to the draft


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Andrew Brandt on agents roles during the build up to the draft and trust issues with teams:

    http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/24/nfl-draft-agents/
    In the inexorable march between an NFL prospect’s final collegiate game and his name being called during the draft, there is one person guiding him through the process: the agent. Although an agent’s money is made by negotiating the player’s contract, the six months preceding the draft—for which there is no designated compensation—are a crucial period for the player-agent relationship.

    The agent is the gateway between the player and the various rungs of NFL decision-makers who will determine the player’s future. And although rookie contract negotiations are now largely predetermined by the new CBA, there are ways beyond the preset contract parameters for the agent to add value. Let’s examine.

    Draft prep

    Since my time as an agent 15 years ago, players have been committing to representation earlier and earlier. Now, virtually every player is committed by the time the college all-star games begin in mid-January. If one were to show up to the Senior Bowl without an agent, there would be blood in the water: dozens would descend upon him at every turn.

    Once signed, agents immediately send players to a facility for full-time physical and mental combine preparation. Agents pay up to $25,000 to facilities like Athletes Performance Institute (API) simply to hold a slot years in advance; having such access is an important recruiting tool. All costs for training and preparation are shouldered by the agent, which often puts him in the red on players who aren’t drafted in the first two rounds.

    Agents then follow the player to the combine, tracking his performance from a distance (they are not allowed in the workouts) and providing mental and emotional support. Following the combine, the agent sets a schedule in the run-up to the draft, punctuated by a workout for interested teams and usually with other draft-eligible players at their college facility.

    In their dealings with players (and their families) prior to the draft, agents must strike the delicate balance of being upbeat and realistic about the player’s draft prospects. I have seen agents fired soon after the draft when guarantees of being selected in certain rounds were not met. On the flip side, there are times where an agent telling a client what he needs to hear rather than what he wants to hear can result in him becoming the player’s ex-agent. And of course, there is never a shortage of agents waiting to pounce on newly available clients.

    Private eye

    As we have seen this spring with prospects such as Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater and others, some highly rated players perform for scouts and coaches in private workouts, which are arranged by the agent in consultation with the respective schools. I remember assembling a private workout for a quarterback, though the circumstances were a bit different.

    In 1998, I represented Boston College quarterback Matt Hasselbeck who, despite my lobbying to have him included, did not receive an invite to the combine. Thus, I thought it important to present Matt to all 32 teams and arranged a private workout at BC. I invited every NFL team, and I received a total of one RSVP to attend, from Andy Reid, then the quarterback coach of the Packers.

    Although disappointed by the singular response, I saw an opportunity to spend quality time with Reid, so I offered to pick him up at the airport and drive him to the workout. I had never met Reid before and didn’t know about his considerable size before pulling up at Logan Airport in my sports car. To this day, we still laugh about wedging him into the passenger seat/back seat before setting off to see Matt’s workout.

    Reid liked what he saw and shared his list of top three top three quarterbacks that year: Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf and Matt Hasselbeck. I stayed in touch with Reid through that spring to keep Matt’s name front and center, and I prepared Matt for the possibility that Reid and the Packers presented the best—perhaps only—opportunity to be drafted. And that’s what happened; the Packers selected Matt in the sixth round, although Reid left a year later to become head coach of the Eagles. Peyton and Matt, relics from that 1998 draft, are still going. Leaf, well, not so much.

    I do not know if my attention to Reid and continued follow-up helped Matt get drafted, but it certainly didn’t hurt. When I switched to the team side, working in the Packers’ front office, I always noticed agents’ vigilance—or lack thereof—on behalf of their clients, especially lower-rated players.

    An advocate

    The best agents advocate for players while earning the respect and trust of teams. Agents must know going in that teams always believe they have all the information they need about players, but they must also tactfully update their front office contacts with even slightly new information throughout the protract draft process: medical reports, training regimens, private coaching sessions, etc. Much like a young person trying to get a job, the agent must find the proper balance of being persistent without being a pest.

    This is where relationships matter, often forged through the “infrastructure” of team management: assistant coaches, regional scouts, scouting coordinators and even secretaries. Many of today’s top agents skillfully sought out these contacts while championing lower-level players, developing a base of friendships with team employees who would eventually take on greater responsibilities within the organization or at other teams.

    I would often ask the people in these roles with the Packers about the agents they encountered, and the answers were quite revealing. Some, they said, were courteous, respectful and always asked questions such as, “What else would you like to see from my player?” Others, sometimes even younger agents still establishing themselves, were dismissive and condescending, preferring only to communicate at higher levels of the organization. We duly noted those behaviors.

    Trust

    In the NFL, as in any business, people like doing business with people they like and, more importantly, trust. The NFL player business world is a small one; the same group of team executives and agents deal with each other over and over. Reputations, in both directions, become hard to shake.

    Although many agents become delusional about their players, who can do no wrong, I respected agents that were realistic about their players. I would often ask them about their client’s weaknesses—though the responses always varied in degrees of honesty. I once asked an agent about his client’s known marijuana use, and he responded by saying, “What can I tell you, he likes weed. I’ve tried to get him to stop but no luck. I don’t think he’ll quit, but it hasn’t affected his performance so far.” While not the best endorsement of his player, I truly appreciated his candor more than that of another who, when asked the same question, answered, “C’mon Andrew, we all smoked pot in college.”

    The business of football is about much more than numbers. It is about relationships. Honesty creates trust, and team-agent relationships are paramount.

    Which leads to a burning question entering the 2014 draft …

    “Can an agent manipulate the system to get a player drafted higher than he otherwise would be?”

    The answer is no, but with a slight hedge. Let me explain.

    Every team executive at some point over the years has rolled his eyes at agents (or the media, for that matter) for thinking they know more than the team does. Teams commit thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars toward the meticulous compilation of The Board. An agent is going to have a very tough time inserting himself into that process. But, of course, there may be much more subtle value-adds.

    For example, teams often approach their pick and assess two or more evenly rated players. Several factors could make a difference at the moment of reckoning: positional need, character, medical history, level of competition and, yes, the agent.

    Teams hope for long and productive careers with the players they draft, meaning multiple contract negotiations. If the team feels very comfortable with a certain agent or, uncomfortable with one, who the agent is can make a difference. I have seen it happen and still hear of it happening every year.

    Silence

    A final note: when I reached out to a few agents to discuss this, including some representing “hot” players who are said to be moving up the rankings, all of them politely declined to speak on the record. With the full-blast draft scrutiny, agents are paranoid about teams seeing anything thazt could negatively affect their client. There now seems to fear among agents to not give the impression that they are even trying to outsmart teams. As one agent representing a top prospect told me, “Anything I say will come across contrived and artificial talking about how we try and influence. Nobody likes the sleazeball agent who tries to manipulate.”

    Despite this rare reticence from agents to discuss their work, there may be no more important time in the player’s first four years (the length of his rookie contract) than now. He is the nexus between the 32 NFL teams and the player, his family and other interested parties. So when we see the player hug the agent when his name is called sometime between May 8-10, know that the agent has earned that embrace.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer 2m
    At 264 pounds, Jadeveon Clowney scored a 71 on his speed of movement test on the force plate today. Similar score to Devin Hester. ...

    Crazy!


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 5h
    Teams have been informed differently. RT @TreMason21: @RapSheet this is false and DO NOT need any type of surgery!

    Rapoport reported that Mason would need surgery to his wrist and would miss some time, including OTA's. A few minutes later Mason tweets that he hasn't needed any type of surgery, and Rapoport responds that teams are being told differently.

    Gotta love social media :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Dublin Red Devil


    Gruden breaks down the QB class on First Take



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Mayock's latest positional rankings came out today.

    Of course they're only one man's opinion but I look out for his rankings for more than the likes of McShay, Kiper, Miller or any of the other click merchants.

    Some interesting rankings. Manziel is still his top ranked QB, and he has Bortles, Carr and Garoppolo all ranked above Bridgewater. Kyle Fuller is now his top ranked CB too.

    That's his only noticable changes since last time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    I agree, I'd always look out for Mayock's stuff first.

    I can see why he'd have Manziel above Bridgewater, though I personally wouldn't myself, but how he can have Bortles, Carr and Garoppolo above Bridgewater is beyond me. I think he's put a bit too much stock in the pro-days and allowed himself to start doubting what he had initially seen on tape because of it.

    Brigewater does almost everything needed from a NFL QB better than the others on tape. He's also on another level in terms of the stuff that can't really be taught. Reading blitzes, manipulating defenses etc. Easy choice for me to have Bridgewater #1 QB.

    What are all your top 5 rankings on the QB's lads? I go:

    1) Bridgewater

    ---Big Drop

    2) Carr
    3) Manziel
    4) Bortles
    5) Mettenburg

    They're the main guys for me.


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