Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

The John Murray Show

1246721

Comments

  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Red Alert


    Move PK to 9am, sorted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    He asked Ken Doherty this morning "But would parents not prefer if their children were composers rather than spending their time down some dingy snooker hall"... Thought this was rather insulting and condescending, especially given that Ken is trying to open up his own premises and try to identify talent at a young age..

    And that theme song .. I HATE it.. :mad: .. it's almost disorientating..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    He asked Ken Doherty this morning "But would parents not prefer if their children were composers rather than spending their time down some dingy snooker hall"... Thought this was rather insulting and condescending, especially given that Ken is trying to open up his own premises and try to identify talent at a young age..

    And that theme song .. I HATE it.. :mad: .. it's almost disorientating..

    Dont know about the parents but if I remember correctly from the Ken thread this is in line with your thinking Flut?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭INCONFIDENCE


    I had a wild fantasy of myself and Twink together. She would be roaring , talking dirty and and screaming phrases like "zip up yer mickey" . It was harmless enough of a fantasy . My fantasy was destroyed on the John Murray show on Wed 29th when I discovered from Dustin that Twink wears Y Fronts. Now I feel she probably also wears a sring vest and has bum cleavage. Thanks John you shattered my dreams.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Hmmm after a fairly good start Thomas has disappointed me.

    Way too much guff about celebrities and pop bands and she nearly creamed her flimsies with the Nix interview this morning.

    A few interviews dissolved into nothing as well, the guys in the Hostel, she was unable to get a rapport going and the interviews ended abruptly.

    what is she 34 or 5 time the Oxygen crap was left behind.


    R1 listeners don't go for that tabloid shoooite.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    Slagging Mickey Harte and playing "Pretty Little Girl From Omagh" (supposedly as a joke) to a man that lost his daughter less than six months ago :eek:.. He's not funny and has no cop on.. I didnt think he could do a worse intro than his intro where he read out a letter supposedly from the queen to David Cameron, but he's managed it.. It's time for RTE to bin their two 9am fiascos..

    I see that 'humorous' section on John Murray's Show some months ago caused offence to Mickey Harte. I'm not surprised, it was nasty and inconsiderate ...

    Statement from the Tyrone GAA County Board ...

    http://thescore.thejournal.ie/tyrone-county-board-explain-reason-behind-rte-blackout-194552-Aug2011/

    A number of weeks ago the Senior Football Manager in conjunction with several other GAA managers wrote a letter marked Private and Confidential to two senior people within the RTÉ organisation. In this letter Mickey Harte expressed his own and a number of other managers’ concern at the disproportionate absence of Brian Carthy from his role as a radio commentator. The contents of the letter made their way into the public domain and the managers’ concerned can categorically state that they were not the source of that leak.

    Due to the portrayal of the said letter, at least one other broadcaster within the organisation acted in a most insensitive manner in the choice of their programme dialogue in a morning radio show soon after. Inappropriate references to the fact that the Tyrone manager Mickey Harte was associated with the Dali Lama conference in Limerick and the choice of the song “Pretty Little Girl from Omagh” will give you an indication of the complete lack of sensitivity the presenter in question afforded the Harte family and Michaela’s husband John McAreavey, in what remains for them a very difficult time.


    We hope that this statement clarifies for the general public why Mickey Harte, his management team and the players have chosen not to co-operate with RTÉ at this time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Skid wrote: »
    I see that 'humorous' section on John Murray's Show some months ago caused offence to Mickey Harte. I'm not surprised, it was nasty and inconsiderate ...

    aha, now it makes sense.. I'd noticed a lot of comments coming in to my youtube account about that sketch in the last week..



    I also got a warning about copyright from Youtube, so I'm not sure if you'll still be able to see it.. Horrific stuff from Murray, he should have apologised for it the next day when the complete insensitivity of the item..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    aha, now it makes sense.. I'd noticed a lot of comments coming in to my youtube account about that sketch in the last week..



    I also got a warning about copyright from Youtube, so I'm not sure if you'll still be able to see it.. Horrific stuff from Murray, he should have apologised for it the next day when the complete insensitivity of the item..

    Yeah, RTE have blocked it now, unfortunately.

    When you consider that the sketch was planned and rehearsed before it went to air, someone should have pulled the plug on it.

    Frankly, you would expect better from Radio 1.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    Joe.ie report on this now, and they have a link to JonathonAnon's blocked clip (same URL)

    Maybe you should sue them, Jonathan!

    http://www.joe.ie/gaa/gaa-news/rte-removes-link-to-offensive-john-murray-show-sketch-0014705-1
    RTE has removed links from its website to the show which caused so much offence to Mickey Harte that the Tyrone manager ceased all communication with the national broadcaster.


    Harte and his players have refused to offer any post-match reaction to RTE this summer and the Red Hand manager will once again blank the station’s representatives before and after Saturday evening’s All-Ireland quarter-final against Dublin.


    The triple All-Ireland winning boss released a statement earlier today in which he outlined the reasons behind the row with RTE, namely the leaking of a letter which criticised the station for its treatment of experienced commentator Brian Carthy and a comedy sketch which included the song “Pretty Little Girl from Omagh”, seen as particularly insensitive less than six months after the murder of Harte’s daughter Michaela in Mauritius.
    The broadcaster has since blocked YouTube clips of the sketch in question, which was broadcast on the John Murray Show on Radio 1 on Thursday 9 June.


    RTE also removed the playback link from the show’s archives on its website, as well as releasing a statement in which it said it sincerely regretted any offence caused.


    The RTE statement reads:
    “RTÉ Radio 1's John Murray Show presents, each morning, a satirical and humorous synopsis of the day's big news stories. On June 9 the programme covered a widely reported controversy involving Mickey Harte.


    “RTÉ understands and appreciates that the item offended Mr Harte. It is never RTÉ's intention to knowingly offend any individual, and RTÉ sincerely regrets any offence caused. This sincere regret was immediately and personally communicated to Mr Harte by RTÉ management.


    “RTÉ wishes to clarify that it did not leak the contents of the letter referred to in today's statement by the Tyrone GAA Senior Football Management and Players. RTÉ treated the correspondence as private and confidential, and was mindful of the need for discretion in all public statements it was called upon to make.


    “It is RTÉ's hope that, in the public interest of all those who follow gaelic games, the matter can be resolved.”



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Dear JonathanAnon,

    Your video, The John Murray Show - Comedy Intro June 9th 2011, may have content that is owned or licensed by RTE.

    No action is required on your part; however, if you're interested in learning how this affects your video, please visit the Content ID Matches section of your account for more information.

    Sincerely,
    - The YouTube Team

    fkn RTE, I mean it's not like I was gaining from having posted this, or that I edited it to make them look bad.. nor did I describe it negatively in the description... It's so bad you might THINK that I edited it, but alas this is all their own work.. If you are gonna allow something like that to be broadcast, the least you can do is either a) stand over it or b) apologise for it..


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Skid wrote: »
    Joe.ie report on this now, and they have a link to JonathonAnon's blocked clip (same URL)

    I'm heading out to work tonight.. but I'm gonna upload it again later under a different name (shhhhhhhhh! :D )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Poly


    Mickey Harte should continue his boycott of RTE. They really are Scumbags.

    He should make a point of being as available as possible to Tv3, newstalk, utv etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Jesus, it seems that somebody appears to have re-uploaded the audio, with a very provocative username, let me tell you.. ;)



    I want to set this as a test to the RTE Archive to see how quick they can get it pulled.. I would be fine if they were pulling it for copyright, or if I was benefitting somehow from using their material... but it seems the only reason they pulled this one (and none of the other videos I uploaded) is because people actually got to hear what Murray said..

    Like I said before, they either stand over what he said and should let it BE heard, or they should get him to apologise for it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Poly


    ^ cheers Jon, I hadn't heard it,
    you would think when the shower of fcukwits were compiling the piece, someone would have said, "you know, Mickey Harte has had a devastating year, maybe we shouldn't be poking fun at him, especially using this song"

    but no, the talk in the RTE canteen was probably that it's open season on Harte because he dared to tell us how to run our sports dept.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 905 ✭✭✭easychair


    I can't understand how anyone enjoys this guy. He isn't funny, full stop . RTE need to get a grip, and realise they are pissing our money away making crap like this.

    Why does RTE need to do anything? They get "our" money no matter what they do, and RTE is run more for the convenience of the staff than anything else (think of Marian Finucane, for example, who broadcasts 4 hours a week, does less than 40 weeks a year, and is paid hundreds of thousands of the licence payers money).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    A very interesting interview with Simon Young this morning.
    I suppose the law of averages dictates that something worth listening to would crop up eventually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    A very interesting interview with Simon Young this morning.
    I suppose the law of averages dictates that something worth listening to would crop up eventually.

    Indeed - what a comparison between Simon Young and Gareth O'Callaghan who has had some similar problems but a real poor me/ victim attitude.

    What made the interview good was that Murray mostly shut up and let SY tell his story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Imhof Tank wrote: »
    Indeed - what a comparison between Simon Young and Gareth O'Callaghan who has had some similar problems but a real poor me/ victim attitude.

    What made the interview good was that Murray mostly shut up and let SY tell his story.
    I could not agree more. Less of the smart alec tone and some more interesting guests might just turn that car crash of a programme around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Hadn't heard that Mickey Harte piece (I avoid Murray's hour mostly) but pretty shocking that someone gave the go ahead for it, I failed to see the humour (and am far from a Tyrone fan) and the editing is brutal too.
    I wonder has someone sent this off to the BCC? I've noticed shows and presenters get their wings clipped for less...
    As for the broadcaster's attempt to sweep it under the carpet...you broadcast it, at least have the gall to stand by it and issue an apology, not try to pretend it didn't happen by removing links; that just makes it look worse tbh.
    Well done Jonathanon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    I could not agree more. Less of the smart alec tone and some more interesting guests might just turn that car crash of a programme around.


    Spot on there.

    Like most of us have been saying around here, less of the crappy 'comedy'.

    Good interview,and in fairness to Murray as the poster said, he let Simon Young get on with it.

    I listened to the whole prog. for the first time in yonks as a result.



    Clarke!!! are you listening?


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭JMSE


    I like the John Murray show, his wisecracks at the start of the show can be fairly good. I didnt like the Simon Young interview though, after about 10 minutes of him trying to get into the tale, I lost interest and switched over. Its not rude to do that in the privacy of your own car but when you announce it here on a public forum then I suppose it is, sorry Simon.

    In general I prefer Murrays format to that of Tubridys when the slot was his.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    JMSE wrote: »
    I like the John Murray show, his wisecracks at the start of the show can be fairly good. I didnt like the Simon Young interview though, after about 10 minutes of him trying to get into the tale, I lost interest and switched over. Its not rude to do that in the privacy of your own car but when you announce it here on a public forum then I suppose it is, sorry Simon.

    In general I prefer Murrays format to that of Tubridys when the slot was his.
    As a regular listener perhaps you could outline some highlights from the past 12 months or so? Maybe I am missing something but the general agreement around here is that the show has been dying on its arse pretty much from the get go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Normal service has been resumed.
    Absolute rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭decies


    Jesus is this the worst radio show in the world !!! The start of this show , never mind!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    What what what? Murray has the comic sensibilities and timing of Bobby Chariot so I can only hope he was quipping about the riots.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Normal service has been resumed.
    Absolute rubbish.

    The comedy intro was again rubbish today..But I mean what did RTE expect when they moved him there.. He was doing a business show, and they expect him to put on clown shoes and tell knock knock jokes.. He's not funny, and he shouldnt try to be..

    The interview with Simon Young was very interesting yesterday though.. Listened to it on the podcast..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Poly


    I don't really listen to him, did he make any attempt at an apology for the Harte "comedy" sketch?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Poly wrote: »
    I don't really listen to him, did he make any attempt at an apology for the Harte "comedy" sketch?
    As far as I know RTE apologised privately to the Harte family, having said that I am of the belief that if you insult and humiliate someone publicly your apology should also be public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    The comedy intro was again rubbish today..But I mean what did RTE expect when they moved him there.. He was doing a business show, and they expect him to put on clown shoes and tell knock knock jokes.. He's not funny, and he shouldnt try to be..

    The interview with Simon Young was very interesting yesterday though.. Listened to it on the podcast..
    I remember Simon Young from both radio and tv, he sure could teach Murray a thing or 2 about natural warmth and good humour.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Imhof Tank wrote: »
    Indeed - what a comparison between Simon Young and Gareth O'Callaghan who has had some similar problems but a real poor me/ victim attitude.

    What made the interview good was that Murray mostly shut up and let SY tell his story.

    Have you suffered from depression, i hope not.

    I really enjoyed the interview and great to hear him back ( but he has doen Christmas FM ).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭rebeve


    My God that radio show is shocking .Murray hasn`t a clue .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Have you suffered from depression, i hope not.

    I really enjoyed the interview and great to hear him back ( but he has doen Christmas FM ).

    No, not that that's relevant.

    I was making a comparison between the refreshingly open attitude Simon Young showed yesterday and the stuff I have heard Gareth O'Callaghan comming out with from time to time.

    Have you ever heard O'Callaghan spouting forth?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Imhof Tank wrote: »
    No, not that that's relevant.

    I was making a comparison between the refreshingly open attitude Simon Young showed yesterday and the stuff I have heard Gareth O'Callaghan comming out with from time to time.

    Have you ever heard O'Callaghan spouting forth?

    I have and as someone who has suffered from depression in the past and come out the far side i can relate to him.

    Just hope your lucky enough never to be in such a position:)

    But i must say i didn't like the way John Murray tried to avoid using the word depression in the interview.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    But i must say i didn't like the way John Murray tried to avoid using the word depression in the interview.

    Damned if you do, damned if you dont. What was unusual about the interview was that Murray butted out almost completely. Now, because of that, you are accusing him of having an agenda.

    If the word depression wasnt mentioned then that was Simon Young's choice. He referred to delayed reaction syndrome and a host of physical ailments he developed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    The word was out there via the Hot Press interview already. Not an agenda, just that its still taboo in Ireland ( and elsewhere )


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    The word was out there via the Hot Press interview already. Not an agenda, just that its still taboo in Ireland ( and elsewhere )

    So what are you saying? That Simon Young was avoiding the issue? That Murray should have cross examined him?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Imhof Tank wrote: »
    So what are you saying? That Simon Young was avoiding the issue? That Murray should have cross examined him?

    No that Murray avoided using the word depression.

    Its like a lot of the older generation saying "ah he suffers with his nerves". No its depression and the quicker we bring it out into the open the quicker we can help so many people who's life is destroyed by it.

    i like John Murray but i think that interview was very hard for him as he knows Simon well and it can be hard to talk about such subjects with those whom you know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Well, you have a point but I think in this particular case it was the guest who set the tone and it would have been completly off for Murray to chose that interview to confront a taboo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Imhof Tank wrote: »
    Well, you have a point but I think in this particular case it was the guest who set the tone and it would have been completly off for Murray to chose that interview to confront a taboo.

    I see where your coming from but at least use the word.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭decies


    One turkey interviewing another on today's show !!!


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    Who was that guy and why was he on the show?

    What a load of soppy shyte


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Another awful "comedy" intro by John.. about Sinead O'Connor.. the whole premise of the joke being that she said in some newspaper yesterday that she likes hairy men.. cue a load of badly put together soundbites, and his usual lowest common denominator slagging of Paul Galvin.. RTE should let John do the show seriously... He cant do comedy, and his attempts are cringeworthy, where as he has proved that he can do the serioues stuff competently..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,239 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Another awful "comedy" intro by John.. about Sinead O'Connor.. the whole premise of the joke being that she said in some newspaper yesterday that she likes hairy men.. cue a load of badly put together soundbites, and his usual lowest common denominator slagging of Paul Galvin.. RTE should let John do the show seriously... He cant do comedy, and his attempts are cringeworthy, where as he has proved that he can do the serioues stuff competently..

    They should go one better and just take the show off air altogether and put something; anything else on instead. It's been one bad, bad car wreck of a show from the dayit came onto air and has created nothing but scorn onto the daytime schedule. Whatever good or bad and whatever you like or dislike about Murray taking on the semi serious topics, he can't be taken seriously anymore due to the attempts at humour he forever persists with and he should be hidden away from the schedule for the long term until it's long forgotten about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,222 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    The 'smug' tone in his voice when he dishes out the 'comedy' starts to grate, as if he has just discovered the funniest material known to man.

    I like Pugwash though. Thomas Walsh was actually funnier than John!


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 esquilax


    I finally got around to typing "John Murray crap" into google to see if there was a discussion going on somewhere about how something so f**king brutal could make it onto national radio and - the part that really mystifies me - stay there for a year with no noticeable changes to its format.

    Glad to see it's not just me cos there's probably nobody in the country who's listened to that bloody show as often as I have (I'd say I've missed <1% of them unfortunately) despite hating it so much. Except other people who have Radio 1 on in their workplace against their will maybe.

    Here's a list of what I hate about John f**king Murray - most of which has already been said but I'm going to say it again anyway.
    • His combination of voice and accent, more suited to boring the passengers in a taxi to death than being on national radio
    • That cringe-making 'monologue' that he opens the show with. I don't know which is worse, him writing his own jokes despite having no background in comedy (does he realise the likes of David Letterman have a team of people who do it?) or, if he doesn't write it himself, the fact that someone is getting paid to write it and they haven't been fired for being unbelievably f**king unfunny
    • The fact that he has to ask everybody he interviews about how rich they are or how much money they earn, despite the fact that nobody ever answers the question and it just makes both the interviewee and the listener think "What a nosey c**t". Seriously, listen out for it. He'd ask a rape victim if they got a good compensation payout.
    • That whole Operation Transformation thing. Turns out fat people are about as fun to listen to as they are to look at.
    • The way every day he asks people to text in about something at the start of the show and then doesn't read out any of them (or maybe nobody does)
    • The way he occasionally makes up text messages. "So, extremely minor celebrity, someone texting in here wanting to know when your book will be in the shops". No, John Murray, nobody actually texted in to ask that and we both know it

    Kathryn Thomas in my opinion is no better. When she's on, the already lightweight subject matter gets bulked up with interviews about fannies and wedding dresses and diets. She's a more natural interviewer but no more interesting than John Murray.

    The one thing I love about working on bank holidays is you turn on the radio and instead of John Murray, you (sometimes) get Pat Kenny and he is bloody brilliant by comparison.

    I'd actually rather listen to Liveline than John Murray and that's saying something. Even Turgidy on R1 was marginally better - I've never heard him on 2FM.

    And I can't say I noticed when Kia pulled the plug until I read about it here but I thought they were a fitting sponsor.

    Anyone know how the listenership figures have been over the lifetime of the show?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    No idea, but in the Flutther's car, it's silence from 0905 till 1000.

    Can't stand Murray, total disaster from day one.

    Now Thomas isn't much better, concentrating as she tends to do on Z list celebs and the goings on of those goons who attend parties not because they know anybody there, but get get a few bob to attend.

    vacancy in that slot for a good kind of 'wrap up' show not too serious but enough to hold the attention of the serious, educated, ABC listener like myself and others here.

    Murray is a total and abject FAILURE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Big Tone


    I never liked the way Morning Ireland segue into the JMS and I always hit the presets at 9.05 usually to Newstalk who can be a breath of fresh air compared to the stuffed and stifled style of RTE.

    He was much better on that Business Show and on Morning Ireland, another example of RTE trying to make a "star" out of a news reporter, they try it on all the time, Miriam O Calllaghan, Charlie Bird etc etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭INCONFIDENCE


    Why oh Why was Katherine forced to talk about nothing to Olwyn. There was no story it sounded like a puff piece to promote her new career in PR . No reflection on Katherine they must have found Olwyn hanging around the RTE canteen. Who next Terry Prone or Diarmuid Gavin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    Has Murray dropped his comedy "sketch" from the show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭INCONFIDENCE


    John had a girl on marking time today talking about chastity she was 21 . I have no problem with chastity but I have no idea why she was advocating this or did I miss something. She was a theology student so she was capable of discussing it . John could also have asked her how she controlled herself in Maynooth when she was full of pints at the back of the student disco having a snog. Anyway welcome back John.


  • Advertisement
Advertisement