Offseason Cuts/Trades/Signings/Franchise Tags etc.

HigginsJ · 28-03-2012 6:34pm

Kassandra Alive Geisha wrote: »

the titans are in talks with the eagles the eagle want a 3rd rounder for asante samuel
if i was the titans id take it in a heartbeat he's getting on a bit but he's still one hell of a playmaker

Yea go some way to making up for the loss of Finnegan.

28-03-2012 6:40pm

they dont want to give a 3rd because samuel is owed 9.5m this year

28-03-2012 6:50pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ec70f/article/lovie-on-upset-forte-its-not-about-one-person?module=HP11_headline_stack

if im matt forte im a free agent next year unless they pay me big bucks soon he's carried that teams offense for the last 2-3 years

HigginsJ · 28-03-2012 8:46pm

yea way for Lovie to show the Love!!

I understand both sides point of view but if i'm forte i'm holiding out as late as possible and walking next yr

mikemac1 · 29-03-2012 1:24am

Teams can use the franchise tag three years in a row

Forte can hold out and refuse to sign but the team still holds the power

Chardee MacDennis · 29-03-2012 9:54am

mikemac1 wrote: »

Teams can use the franchise tag three years in a row

Forte can hold out and refuse to sign but the team still holds the power

ye but they have to give him a 25% raise every year and it's all guaranteed. by the end of three years if he's stayed healthy it would have been better off giving him a 3 year deal with options on year 4 and 5!

eagle eye · 31-03-2012 11:19pm

Cap room as of 24 hours ago. I'm very surprised to see the Seahawks with so much after signing Flynn, Eagles are in good shape too. Nice to see the Patriots in a good healthy 12th spot.

Bengals: $20.5 million.
Jaguars: $20.2 million.
Seahawks: $18.9 million.
Browns: $18.5 million.
Titans: $18.4 million.
Buccaneers: $18.3 million.
Chiefs: $17.0 million.
Eagles: $16.2 million.
Vikings: $14.5 million.
Broncos: $13.8 million.
Colts: $10.6 million.
Patriots: $9.9 million.
Bills: $9.7 million.
Jets: $7.6 million.
Redskins: $7.6 million.
Dolphins: $6.4 million.
Steelers: $5.8 million.
Chargers: $5.6 million.
49ers: $5.3 million.
Lions: $4.5 million.
Rams: $4.3 million.
Texans: $3.5 million.
Bears: $3.5 million.
Packers: $3.4 million.
Giants: $3.4 million.
Raiders: $3.4 million
Cardinals: $2.1 million.
Cowboys: $2.1 million.
Falcons: $1.8 million.
Ravens: $1.7 million.
Saints: $1.4 million.
Panthers: $623,000.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/30/team-by-team-cap-room-as-of-march-30/

OAOB · 11-04-2012 8:49pm

Giants get Keith Rivers for a fifth rounder. Could be a really good bit of business by them, he came out of college with a big reputation but some unlucky injuries (and Hines Ward) have really hampered him. Think its a good risk by the Giants

11-04-2012 8:53pm

OAOB wrote: »

Giants get Keith Rivers for a fifth rounder. Could be a really good bit of business by them, he came out of college with a big reputation but some unlucky injuries (and Hines Ward) have really hampered him. Think its a good risk by the Giants

feckin giants eagles get a deal with ryan and giants are all i can do that.....jerks

HigginsJ · 11-04-2012 8:58pm

OAOB wrote: »

Giants get Keith Rivers for a fifth rounder. Could be a really good bit of business by them, he came out of college with a big reputation but some unlucky injuries (and Hines Ward) have really hampered him. Think its a good risk by the Giants

So disappointed by this move from the Giants. They wont pay Jonathan Goff but go and trade for Keith Rivers. Rivers has not lived up to the reputation and i'd like to know what Bengals fans make of the deal.

neilster · 12-04-2012 11:10am

HigginsJ wrote: »

So disappointed by this move from the Giants. They wont pay Jonathan Goff but go and trade for Keith Rivers. Rivers has not lived up to the reputation and i'd like to know what Bengals fans make of the deal.

I think it was a price worth paying frankly , whilst Rivers has never lived up to his draft position , he has always started . He cant stay healthy but it is a 1 year deal and a previous 1st round draft choice picked for a 5th rounder . The Giants have a number of Linebackers who are ok but not great so this part of the team needs both qulaity and depth . Rivers certainly provides depth and may infuse quality if he rebounds .

As for the Bengals they should be delighted to get a pick for an injury-prone bust. Much like Castillo at the Chargers if Rivers was your own player, a $1-2m dollar one year deal would be about right .
The fifth-round pick the Bengals acquired is the 167th overall pick. Cincinnati will pick three times late in the fifth round: They also have their own fifth-round pick (No. 156) and the Patriots’ fifth-round pick (No. 166). This gives the Bengals a great chance to add depth too

It brings me to the subject of the Giants pick in the draft if others would have views to this

HigginsJ · 12-04-2012 11:25am

neilster wrote: »

I think it was a price worth paying frankly , whilst Rivers has never lived up to his draft position , he has always started . He cant stay healthy but it is a 1 year deal and a previous 1st round draft choice picked for a 5th rounder . The Giants have a number of Linebackers who are ok but not great so this part of the team needs both qulaity and depth . Rivers certainly provides depth and may infuse quality if he rebounds .

As for the Bengals they should be delighted to get a pick for an injury-prone bust. Much like Castillo at the Chargers if Rivers was your own player, a $1-2m dollar one year deal would be about right .
The fifth-round pick the Bengals acquired is the 167th overall pick. Cincinnati will pick three times late in the fifth round: They also have their own fifth-round pick (No. 156) and the Patriots’ fifth-round pick (No. 166). This gives the Bengals a great chance to add depth too

It brings me to the subject of the Giants pick in the draft if others would have views to this

Its more the fact that they wouldnt pay Goff and trade for another LB then that bothers me.

As long as Giants dont take a TE or RB in the 1st 2 rounds i'll be happy

neilster · 12-04-2012 2:35pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Its more the fact that they wouldnt pay Goff and trade for another LB then that bothers me.

As long as Giants dont take a TE or RB in the 1st 2 rounds i'll be happy

I think Rivers if healthy could be a very good player so for a 5th, its a good deal...there issues with Goff seem to be a different thing entirely

Funny when i was mocking the draft myself i had some versatile players left at some holes that the Giants need to fill in the first round(i know they are champs but there are some issues

-After signing Crocker for depth at swing tackle and Rivers in a trade , im discounting an OLB as Rivers surely will be equal to a first or a second rounder ....if not why the trade???

-At tackle assuming that Reiff/Kalil/Martin & Mike Adams are gone i am discounting a Tackle

-Running Backs , Miller & Martin are 2nd rounders and i think Polk is a ways behind them so i am discounting a RB
-So i am left with a DE or DT or CB or TE

Discounting people picked before the remaining DTs are Crick & Brandon Thompson.

The tight Ends are Coby Fleener & Orson Charles

The Corners are a falling Janoris Jenkins & Brandon Boykin

The Defensive Ends are Crick again & Vinny Curry

Looking at footage of all of them the three that stand out are Fleener , Jenkins & Curry. Taking on their merits Fleener grades 6% ahead of Jenkins with Curry a good bit behind. When you strip out Jenkins headcase off-field crap he grades ahead of Fleener but Fleener is the safer pick and Jenkins having his head right is a big "if" . Curry can get to the QB and can play OLB as hes a tweener

-Overall Fleener is the safer pick at a position that is a bigger need at Tight End but has less of a value when drafting
-Jenkins on talent alone grades higher at a more valuable position which is the Giants second need and is a riskier pick

so youd have to say theyll pick Fleener...i know there is Martellus Bennett but he would have to increase his value versus what he did with the Cowboys

HigginsJ · 12-04-2012 3:14pm

I agree with you discounting an RB, there is lots of gems to be found later. Mind you if Trent Richardson fell to 32 i'd change my mind!!!!

You'd draft Fleener in the 1st round?

I'd discount fleener for a few reasons. I simply dont think he is worth a 1st round pick, Eli has never had and all-pro TE and has got on just fine without one and picking a TE would seem like a luxury when there are many other more pressing needs.

If you dont want to take a tackle fair enough how about a guard like Osemele? We need young o-line help in multiple positions.

The other position that could be a need is D-line. Tollefson is gone, Rocky Bernard and Jimmy Kennedy are still unsigned. If we lose all 3 we will be very light on the D-line beyond Tuck, Osi, JPP, Canty, Austin and Linval Joseph.

Hazys · 13-04-2012 6:59pm

Pats resign C Dan Koppen to a 2 year $6m contract which gives us serious depth on the OL especially if Light and Waters return.

If vets return:

Light
Mankins
Connolly
Waters
Vollmer

If vets dont return:

Solder
Mankins
Koppen/Connolly
Connolly/Gallery
Vollmer

If the vets dont return we will still have one of the best lines in Football.

Now in the draft we can focus on defense. The only offense need we may have is to pick up a RB in the later rounds.

HigginsJ · 13-04-2012 7:47pm

just quick couple of questions on the pats

How did Solder perform overall last year. Is it disappointing if in his 2nd year that he cant break into 1st team regardless of who is around.

Do ye need a running back? Ye took the 2 guys last year (Vereen & name escapes me) and ye have Woodhead. Are ye not covered on all bases there?

eagle eye · 13-04-2012 8:12pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

just quick couple of questions on the pats

How did Solder perform overall last year. Is it disappointing if in his 2nd year that he cant break into 1st team regardless of who is around.

Do ye need a running back? Ye took the 2 guys last year (Vereen & name escapes me) and ye have Woodhead. Are ye not covered on all bases there?

Solder will be the starter at left tackle this year. They tried moving Seabass over there but it didn't work out, he is great at right tackle so that suits.

The running backs thing is a funny one. Kevin Faulk has declared that he is up to speed and ready for another season. Many thought he was finished but maybe last year was just a getting back up the speed year for him after the operation. If he is back to where he was before the injury(he is getting on at 35 now) then we are in good shape with our backs.

I think we will take somebody in the draft as well. This is real depth at RB in this draft imo. The other guy is Stevan Ridley who did well last year in his rookie season averaging 5.1 ypc on 87 attempts. He should improve this year but I'm more excited about Vereen who looked impressive between his injuries. Going forward thats the concern with vereen is injuries, hopefully its just one bad year and he can go on to become a really good one over the next couple of years. I don't expect us to bring in any veteran help outside of Faulk who is known as a leader on the team and would be great just to have there as a backup to teach these guys the right way to do things.

Hazys · 13-04-2012 8:17pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

just quick couple of questions on the pats

How did Solder perform overall last year. Is it disappointing if in his 2nd year that he cant break into 1st team regardless of who is around.

Do ye need a running back? Ye took the 2 guys last year (Vereen & name escapes me) and ye have Woodhead. Are ye not covered on all bases there?

I was very impressed with Solder in his first season. He played very well against top pass rushers when he started (although he had help), he made a few rookie mistakes which were to be expected but overall he could develop into a top LT in the league.

Great progress in his first year and we hope he can continue his development but fingers crossed he doesnt have a McCourty in his 2nd year or worse have a John O'Shea for the rest of his career.

Running back is the only need we have on offense, possible an extra blocking TE but both are low needs in comparison to defense. RBs we have are:

Ridley
Woodhead
Faulk
Vereen
And the Navy RB who is on tour but i forget his name, he's more camp fodder/practise squad level

We invested 2 highish picks in Ridley and Vereen so i expect them to get a lot more playing time this year. Especially since we added two FBs, it will mean a different dynamic to the Pats running game next year.

I believe tho, we will have to add one more RB to compete (not a camp fodder player) either through the draft or a vet pickup.

Hazys · 13-04-2012 8:21pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I think we will take somebody in the draft as well. This is real depth at RB in this draft imo. The other guy is Stevan Ridley who did well last year in his rookie season averaging 5.1 ypc on 87 attempts. He should improve this year but I'm more excited about Vereen who looked impressive between his injuries. Going forward thats the concern with vereen is injuries, hopefully its just one bad year and he can go on to become a really good one over the next couple of years. I don't expect us to bring in any veteran help outside of Faulk who is known as a leader on the team and would be great just to have there as a backup to teach these guys the right way to do things.

I think Vereen was more unlucky than injury prone. He had one small injury at the start of camp and missed nearly 2 and a half weeks of camp. That time missed was massive in his development and building trust with the offense and BB. He didnt really get injured after that...probably because he didnt actually play

I think with a full camp under his belt this year and we'll see what he is all about.

Mr. Guappa · 13-04-2012 8:34pm

Marcus Cannon will also be in line for more snaps at Tackle, so we look well set on the O-Line, particularly if Waters and Light return. A young interior lineman is a possible target in the later rounds.. someone to bring along this year, with a lot of age at the Guard and Center positions currently.

Masked Man · 13-04-2012 8:58pm

I kinda doubt the Pats will draft a RB. If we re-sign Kevin Faulk we'll have him Woodhead, Ridley, Vereen and Larsen, Fiammetta and Kettani (I think he's back this year?). If we just leave Faulk and cut a FB then we might.

13-04-2012 9:00pm

Masked Man wrote: »

I kinda doubt the Pats will draft a RB in the draft. If we re-sign Kevin Faulk we'll have him Woodhead, Ridley, Vereen and Larsen, Fiammetta and Kettani (I think he's back this year?). If we just leave Faulk and cut a FB then we might.

i agree in one sense but if you get a good rb in that offense tom brady will kill any defense

Masked Man · 13-04-2012 9:12pm

Kassandra Alive Geisha wrote: »

i agree in one sense but if you get a good rb in that offense tom brady will kill any defense

I still don't think they'll draft one. Vereen and Ridley were 2nd and 3rd round choices last year. I don't know much about Vereen (assuming he has similar potential) but Ridley seems like he has a big upside.

13-04-2012 9:15pm

Masked Man wrote: »

I still don't think they'll draft one. Vereen and Ridley were 2nd and 3rd round choices last year. I don't know much about Vereen (assuming he has similar potential) but Ridley seems like he has a big upside.

your right cant see bb drafting a rb in the first round anyway im thinking d line or lb

13-04-2012 9:17pm

whats with all the hype with vince young this is a man who looked terrible and i mean terrible under andy reid the same andy reid who made kevin kolb, aj feely and jeff garcia look like superstars

Hazys · 13-04-2012 9:27pm

Kassandra Alive Geisha wrote: »

whats with all the hype with vince young this is a man who looked terrible and i mean terrible under andy reid the same andy reid who made kevin kolb, aj feely and jeff garcia look like superstars

Not much hype around Vince Young anymore, he hasnt even had a single FA visit from a team this offseason.

His career has spiraled downwards from Rose Bowl MVP:

To drinking straight tequilla topless with a nothing but dudes around him:

eagle eye · 13-04-2012 10:00pm

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Marcus Cannon will also be in line for more snaps at Tackle, so we look well set on the O-Line, particularly if Waters and Light return. A young interior lineman is a possible target in the later rounds.. someone to bring along this year, with a lot of age at the Guard and Center positions currently.

Forgot to add in my post that it looks like Matt Light is retiring. Still not certain but all the vibes suggest he is.

Masked Man wrote: »

I kinda doubt the Pats will draft a RB. If we re-sign Kevin Faulk we'll have him Woodhead, Ridley, Vereen and Larsen, Fiammetta and Kettani (I think he's back this year?). If we just leave Faulk and cut a FB then we might.

Deffo don't think we are going to pick up a RB with an early pick but I think he will bring in one. With RBs its more than likely that they will have a pw or a visit with them before the draft and we have done that with these so far.

OV = official visit, PW = private workout, PD = attended pro day AS = All-Star game contact
Doug Martin, Boise State (OV, PW, PD)
Fozzy Whitaker, Texas (PW)
Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati (PW, PD)
Travaris Cadet, Appalachian State (AS)
Chris Rainey, Florida (PW, PD)

Mr. Guappa · 13-04-2012 11:30pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Forgot to add in my post that it looks like Matt Light is retiring. Still not certain but all the vibes suggest he is.

Yeah, most stories coming out seem to indicate that he will retire alright.

Deffo don't think we are going to pick up a RB with an early pick but I think he will bring in one. With RBs its more than likely that they will have a pw or a visit with them before the draft and we have done that with these so far.

OV = official visit, PW = private workout, PD = attended pro day AS = All-Star game contact
Doug Martin, Boise State (OV, PW, PD)
Fozzy Whitaker, Texas (PW)
Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati (PW, PD)
Travaris Cadet, Appalachian State (AS)
Chris Rainey, Florida (PW, PD)

I think the RB situation comes down to how highly BB rates Vereen and Ridley.. has he seen enough in the last year that they can carry the load? If they have not shown enough promise in practice then we'll add another RB from somewhere.

In other news, the Broncos release CB Andre Goodman, and LB Gary Guyton lands in Miami.

Paully D · 14-04-2012 12:47am

Just seen this on Twitter:

Aaron Wilson ‏ @RavensInsider
Ravens not close to a deal with either QB Joe Flacco or RB Ray Rice. Rice has no plans to report without a new deal. Nothing has changed

Obviously Rice has been franchise tagged, but can he just choose not to report if he doesn't get a deal he's happy with?

mikemac1 · 14-04-2012 12:57am

Yes he can choose not to report

Many players have done it before

Ravens are always patient [some say slow] on signing their players to big deals

Ray Lewis hit free agency before he got a deal
Suggs was franchised two years in a row
Last year Ngata waited a number of months for his big deal

I'm not concerned over Rice and if he misses the start of training camp it's not a big deal.

And the front office don't seem concerned, Rice was offered Arian Foster money which seems fair but he and his agent rejected it.
Rice can wait until July

Paully D · 14-04-2012 2:04am

mikemac1 wrote: »

Yes he can choose not to report

Many players have done it before

Ravens are always patient [some say slow] on signing their players to big deals

Ray Lewis hit free agency before he got a deal
Suggs was franchised two years in a row
Last year Ngata waited a number of months for his big deal

I'm not concerned over Rice and if he misses the start of training camp it's not a big deal.

And the front office don't seem concerned, Rice was offered Arian Foster money which seems fair but he and his agent rejected it.
Rice can wait until July

Cheers for that Mike.

So what happens if he's still not happy with what the Ravens have offered over the next few months, is there a point where his contract states he has to come back, or can he actually just refuse to train or play at all under the tag until he gets what he wants?

I thought he'd definitely accept Foster type money to be honest, maybe he think he can squeeze Peterson type money out of the Ravens, but there's no hope of that. At least there's a template there now with the Foster deal as to what Rice can expect.

How do you think the Flacco contract will pan out, Mike? I'd guess that this offseason will be about getting Rice tied down and then we'll have this whole Rice situation with Flacco this time next year? Or can you see the Ravens getting deals for both done this summer?

mikemac1 · 14-04-2012 4:34am

I'd expect Rice to miss the first week or so of training camp
Not a big issue, Cam Cameron is still there so it's not like Rice has to learn a new system.
Cameron never changes anything, never, ever ever :pac:

And then a deal to be done, Arian Foster money

Ah Joe Cool, I expect it could end of next season for the deal
Wouldn't be like the Ravens to sign players up early, everything is always dragged out

HigginsJ · 21-04-2012 8:24pm

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82877807/article/report-eagles-willing-to-trade-samuel-for-5th-or-6th?module=HP11_content_stream

Getting Asante Samuel for a 5th or 6th rounder seems a no brainer.

An obvious issue is the fact that he is due $21 million over the next 2 years and he is 31.

That being said if I were the other 31 franchises I would be getting in contact with his reps to see if he would be willing to re-work the deal if they traded for him.

matthew8 · 21-04-2012 9:11pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82877807/article/report-eagles-willing-to-trade-samuel-for-5th-or-6th?module=HP11_content_stream

Getting Asante Samuel for a 5th or 6th rounder seems a no brainer.

An obvious issue is the fact that he is due $21 million over the next 2 years and he is 31.

That being said if I were the other 31 franchises I would be getting in contact with his reps to see if he would be willing to re-work the deal if they traded for him.

If I was the Patriots I'd like Samuel back right now.

Hazys · 21-04-2012 9:45pm

matthew8 wrote: »

If I was the Patriots I'd like Samuel back right now.

I dont think BB likes him all that much...he cant/wont tackle.

BB likes his corners to be big and physical.

23-04-2012 1:13am

i think any team with a zone system should go for him he gives up a big play ever now and again but iv seen him win far more games with picks and pick 6s also hes about as clutch a cb as there is in the league so as a playoff team i want him in my team at the end of the year

eagle eye · 23-04-2012 2:33am

Samuel is not worth that money, in fact outside Revis and Asomugha I don't think any corner is worth that money.

23-04-2012 2:51am

eagle eye wrote: »

Samuel is not worth that money, in fact outside Revis and Asomugha I don't think any corner is worth that money.

i think theres 1 or to teams still under the minimum cap bucks maby

Onecoolcookie · 25-04-2012 1:33pm

Falcons on the verge of acquiring Asante Samuel for a late round pick apparently, could be a great deal for them

HigginsJ · 25-04-2012 1:37pm

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Falcons on the verge of acquiring Asante Samuel for a late round pick apparently, could be a great deal for them

Yea they badly need secondary help. There secondary was awful against us without Grimes

eagle eye · 25-04-2012 2:10pm

Where are the Falcons getting the cap space to sign Samuel? I thought they were very close to the limit.

HigginsJ · 25-04-2012 6:55pm

The Packers have released OT Chad Clifton and Safety Nick Collins. Both are due to injuries

eagle eye · 25-04-2012 7:48pm

Nick Collins was a top player, so sad to see his career end so soon.

Clifton is getting on in years, he was a great player for a long time in the NFL. Some stuff going around that he was cut due to cap space. Apparently he failed a physical.

HigginsJ · 25-04-2012 8:26pm

Seems to be conflicting reports on Collins, Packers saying he cant play anymore and Collins awaiting for confirmation from docs that he is cleared to play.

You hope he doesnt put more than his career at risk to maybe play another year or 2

frostie500 · 25-04-2012 10:26pm

A seventh rounder for Samuel.....what a joke! That is an embarrassing trade for the Eagles regardless of his contract situation I would have wanted us to hold on to Samuel for another season unless we were getting a 2nd or 3 and 4.

kmart6 · 25-04-2012 10:27pm

Couldn't believe it when I saw it in work...can imagine he can still be productive!

UnitedIrishman · 25-04-2012 10:29pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Seems to be conflicting reports on Collins, Packers saying he cant play anymore and Collins awaiting for confirmation from docs that he is cleared to play.

You hope he doesnt put more than his career at risk to maybe play another year or 2

GM came out today and said that 'they weren't happy to give clearance to play for the Packers'. So I guess it's a case that they couldn't take the risk of further injury. Pity, was a quality player and would've sorted a major part of our secondary if he was completely fit.

eagle eye · 25-04-2012 10:36pm

frostie500 wrote: »

A seventh rounder for Samuel.....what a joke! That is an embarrassing trade for the Eagles regardless of his contract situation I would have wanted us to hold on to Samuel for another season unless we were getting a 2nd or 3 and 4.

All I can guess is they must have been in serious trouble with the cap.

Still don't know how the Falcons got themselves in a position to be able to afford it. They had something like $1.8 million left a month ago.

Pyjamarama · 25-04-2012 11:15pm

Samuel doesn't fit the new scheme we're looking to run which will require more press coverage. It's a trade that means the owners save 9m. Understandable

Chucky the tree · 25-04-2012 11:22pm

It was either cut or trade samuel, in that case any draft pick isn't to bad.

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