Battlefield Hardline - Closed Beta - General Discussion

Just to clarify

there are three levels on this issue:

1. Same engine:

titles use the same engine but use their own assets, game design and mechanics: So the countless Unreal engine titles etc. This is the base level for commercially sold titles.

You cannot accuse a title like Bioshock being a TC of Gears of War because they use the same engine.

2. Total Conversion

This is where a game (not the engine) is used as a base for a new title, so a portion of the games core mechanics are kept but there a whole new models, textures and design features

this would be games like the original counter strike which kept half lifes online code, its movement programming (you can spot a half life/source title a mile away simply by going up to a ladder) its gun and explosion mechanics

but there were whole new models and the game design was completely shifted in a new multiplayer focus on a pseudo realism

3. Mod

this is where a game is mostly kept intact but some mechanics are shifted around or a new model/mechanic is introduced

Wasteland on Arma 2 is a great example of this, almost all of its elements are featured in standard Arma but they've been reorganised to fit the wasteland game mode. No new models.


I could see the complaint of Battlefield hardline being a bit of a total conversion, because as I stressed total conversion took a lot of work and for the most part they failed to finish, the list of incomplete tcs that were in some early stage of development for half life vs the finished list is a very clear example of this. It's not a simple task doing a TC, it's pretty much making a new game, but using the original game as a base, you can argue all sequels do that.

You might even argue that they are called total conversions and given out for free simply based on legal grounds, you couldnt take a title that at its core contains another persons work and sell it as your own. Unless of course the original developers approve and support you (Counter strike, gunman chronicles, left for dead)

battlefield hardline total conversion? yeah I'd believe that, but I accept total conversions take a lot of work, much more then the impression the video above gave, and if it guaranteed a final product (remember high failure rate) then the question of it having a monetary worth is valued and should be considered.

the issue though is looking at the full package (the above multiplayer "total conversion" plus a full single player campaign) then it's reasonable to pay full title price if you want that. Problem is even if it sucks (which in most cases it does) you still need to pay for the single player content and that pushes the price up.

there very well could be a version of battlefield hardline that is much cheaper and is multiplayer only, but for some reason EA seem to think we want our single player bull. And we gots to pay for that.

6 hours played, all attachments for 2 weapons unlocked (UMP-45 & Uzi). I don't have to unlock each individually like in BF3/4. You just unlock the grip/sight/etc section and then buy whatever you want. Its fairly easy to get the cash by dropping ammo/repairing or playing the objectives. The game is fun but I'm glad I'm not on console since I plan on buying it at a discounted price from a key site.

I like having to unlock weapons & attachments. Mind you I do have a lot of spare time. I'd get bored fairly quickly of a quake 3 setup these days. Besides, Sparks wouldn't have the time (and maybe the reflexes ) to learn all the maps & quirks thats required for a twitch em up. He'd just be complaining about that instead.

The whole Mod/TC thing is now very 1990's. By the 1990s definition most modern games would be at best TCs. These days there's only a few game engines, Frostbite, CryEngine, Unreal and maybe 1 or two more. Its just too expensive to write a brand new engine every few years.

MajesticDonkey is just pissed that he hasn't got a key for BF Hardline yet

I'm definitely not into twitch-em-ups allright DWZ, it's why I moved from CoD to BF in the first place. Why bother with tactics or strategy or outthinking an opponent when some 14-year-old on meth just does that thing where they jump, rotate through 720 degrees mid-air then headshot you from across the map using a 40x scope? :P

BF3 was definitely worse than BFBC2 but it wasn't as bad as BF4. It's definitely on a slippery slope

And you know where it's headed, don't you? A computer networked version of this:



First 12-year-old to click the mouse button wins!

Nvidia beta drivers out today which have SLI profile for BF Hardline. Marked improvement for me.

fl4pj4ck wrote: »

huh? completely new maps, completely new game modes - if this is not "massive" then I'm lost here
of course, the game is based on the same gfx engine so it kinda "feels" the same. the scenery however changed, what is this if not a total conversion?

Agree 100%... people moan that it is a reskined model of BF and then others complain that they have changed too much.

Seriously DICE cant win.

I think the idea is good although I am not sure if it will be worth playing... seems a little childish and in a game like destruction should have been ramped up and that is the biggest issue which no-one seems too concerned about

Good for you. Can I interest you in a pre-order of the digital deluxe premium edition of Hardline so?

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

I'm all for modding communities, but sometimes I get the feeling people blow way out of proportion the success rate of mods.

Having played many hours in the BF42 mod, Desert Combat, I disagree. Sure, some of the mods are fiddly crap, but then some mods that just change the game play such as the Call of Duty modern warfare mod "Obscurity". DC would be more TC than mod, as all the weapons, planes, etc were remodelled.

As with the earlier video, this seems to have modeled a car, and repainted some items.

fl4pj4ck wrote: »

so "Natural Selection" for HL was a mod or total conversion?

Think it was total conversion in the beta, but became just a mod? Not 100% sure.

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Think I have gotten access to the beta. Look forward to playing it when I get home from work. Not 100% if I'll buy it, really depends on when GTA V comes out on the PC. That, and I've uninstalled BF4 a while back as I got bored with it. Hoping Hardline is interesting, but hold little hope.

/edit; just saw ktulu123's post. Thread has been open for a bit whilst logging tickets.

Sparks wrote: »

Not DICE, Visceral. And if it's a financial decision, neither of them, but EA.

I'll probably buy it for three fiddy and activate it through a VPN so that Valve thinks I'm in Russia.

Had a quick game there. Surprisingly easy to get C4. Had a bit of fun with the jihad cop cars.

Overall the game play reminds me of CS 1.6, with the objectives ensuring some spots are hot, but with multiple ways to get to the objective. Felt it was more like CS than CoD.

Finding the "rogue" choppers fly like BF42 "Desert Combat" choppers. Hope they keep that.