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Ruger Precision Rifle

  • 29-07-2015 9:37pm
    #1
    Deaf git
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    Anyone seen one of these here yet?


    I like, I want. In 308.


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  • #2
    amadablam
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    Deaf git wrote: »
    Anyone seen one of these here yet?
    www.ruger.com/micros/rpr/

    I like, I want.

    Link isn't working :(


  • #3
    Deaf git
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Deaf git


    amadablam wrote: »
    Link isn't working :(

    Cant get it to work for some reason - try cut & paste into the address bar


  • #4
    Cass
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    Fixed
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  • #5
    Deaf git
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    Cass wrote: »
    Fixed

    Thanks.


  • #6
    Cass
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    Looks nice, some good features, 1:10 twist in the .308 version and even if the dollar price turns out to be Euro or a little more it's not too expensive.

    Have to wait and see what they may cost here, but it's a sweet looking rifle.
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  • #7
    Deaf git
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    Cass wrote: »
    Looks nice, some good features, 1:10 twist in the .308 version and even if the dollar price turns out to be Euro or a little more it's not too expensive.

    Have to wait and see what they may cost here, but it's a sweet looking rifle.

    How does 6.5 creedmoor compare to 308 for targets?


  • #8
    Cass
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    No idea. Never shot the 6.5 Creedmoor.

    For F-Class it's .308 (FTR) and usually 6.5x284 or some variant of the 7mm (F-Open). Doesn't quite fit in any other place. However with a 20" barrel i wouldn't be looking at it for target work, well not only. It'd make a superb medium to short range target rifle (sub 600 yards) and it's not too heavy that hunting would be out of the question.
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  • #9
    nastros
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    6.5 Creedmoor is very popular for Precision Rifle competitions. Its basically a reworked 308 to a 6.5 has very good ballistics but a good 308 FTR rifle will beat it plus ammo wise its much harder to find here. But there is a lot of ammo producers in America starting to produce 6.5 Creedmoor.


  • #10
    nastros
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    Their going for 1500 on this site in Germany http://www.henke-online.de/index.php?id=1437 so no idea what they will be here.


  • #11
    freddieot
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    Looks good value, especially if your main interest or facilities is usually sub-1,000yds (say100-600).

    Will be interesting to see if they go for a 'sane' price here. That's the key..


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  • #12
    Cass
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    Sane price indeed.

    The Savage TRR-SR took my fancy a couple of years ago. Price in the states was $495 (or thereabouts). The cheapest quote i got here, even from a dealer with them in stock, was €895. That was just under $1,200 at the exchange rates at the time. When i asked why the huge price increase i was told taxes. So i done some checking.

    To get the rifle in myself, pay the necessary taxes, duties, and even including the once off export fee from the states the cost was €650. All in.

    I've talked about this before and while i understand that shops have overheads, etc they also don't pay full retail price per firearm. IOW they could have sold the gun at €695 and still made a decent profit. Instead they seemed to be milking it for another €200. That is some profit margin.
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  • #13
    tac foley
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    Rip-off Ireland seems to be as alive and kicking as rip-off UK. I just bought a few hundred bullets back with me from Oregon - Sierra MK in my usual calibres. Less than half the cost of them in yUK, and in Oregon, no sales tax either. For those in the North who can reload, ANY component that can be easily stashed in a bag is cheaper - I also bought back four sets of RCBS dies for shooters here - less dollars than pounds.

    tac


  • #14
    Ziggieire
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    It is looking like 1700 in Ireland. I knew some lads in the US that have them and they seem solid, but i woiuld wait a bit till the Hype dies off.
    I want one in a 6.5 creedmore, almost identical ballistics as a .300 winmag and no recoil.


  • #15
    freddieot
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    It looks great and the reviews seem very good as regards accuracy at least for the Creedmore version. Anyone using 6.5 Creedmore here or any idea if it is available, what's the rough cost of the ammo ?


  • #16
    tac foley
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    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/861895/nosler-match-grade-ammunition-65-creedmoor-140-grain-custom-competition-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-20?cm_vc=ProductFinding

    Hmmm. Not cheap. The lower performance stuff seems to be hovering around $30 per 20 rounds.

    That's why most who shoot it in the USA reload for it.

    tac


  • #17
    tac foley
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    The Ruger rifle is here in UK - http://valmontfirearms.co.uk/rugerrifles.html

    £1400.00 to you, sir.

    Less the 20% UK sales tax, of course - lucky you.

    However, THIS is what really gets up MY nose - quote....'What other $1,200 factory rifle can be counted on to shoot half-MOA five-shot groups?'

    tac


  • #18
    Cass
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    tac foley wrote: »
    The Ruger rifle is here in UK - http://valmontfirearms.co.uk/rugerrifles.html

    £1400.00 to you, sir.
    At current exchange rates thats, more or less, €2,000. Ouch.
    Less the 20% UK sales tax, of course - lucky you.
    Can you explain this please. Having a blonde moment.
    However, THIS is what really gets up MY nose - quote....'What other $1,200 factory rifle can be counted on to shoot half-MOA five-shot groups?'

    tac
    Yeeeeaaaahhhhhhhh..................
    • Savage
    • Tikka
    • Sako
    • Some CZs
    • Hell even my R-15 can do that at 100 yards (granted i only fired 3 shots, but that was down to lack of ammo rather than ability).

    I seen an advert a couple of years ago for some "GT model" new sporting rifle from a very well known manufacturer that claimed a half MOA at 100 yards guaranteed as though this was unheard of in other brands and models.
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  • #19
    tac foley
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    UK sales to the RoI exlude the 20% UK sales tax.

    tac


  • #20
    Cass
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    Yup.

    Good scope at at least a grand, rings, bipod, etc and you're looking at north of €3,300.

    No harm to Ruger, its a fantastic looking rifle and i'm sure a great shooter, but at that money i'd be looking full custom build or something with more pedigree that is either a dedicated hunting rifle or target rifle. Not some sporter, in between jobbie.
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  • #21
    tac foley
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    So how much is your custom rifle, less all the bits that I mentioned? The two gun-stores I went in back home in Ontario between them had over a hundred of them on back order...folks on THIS side of the pond may have a wait, in spite of the claims by some that they have them in stock.

    tac


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  • #22
    Cass
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    tac foley wrote: »
    So how much is your custom rifle, less all the bits that I mentioned?
    To build one? Depends on the purpose and obviosuly the components used, but a rough guess would be:
    • Hunting rifle - Around €2,200 to €2,500 would build a fine hunting rig with no scope, etc. With scope, bipod, rings, etc. approx €3,500.
    • Target rifle (F-class, etc) - €3,300 to €3,700 for the rifle only, and with scope, etc could run into the €6,500 or more mark.

    The Ruger doesn't seem to fall squarely into either category. Bit heavy/bulky for deer stalking although one of my rigs is 14lb or more. I can change that back to 10 with a stock change. Guaranteed it won't hold up against a full F-class rifle out to 1,000 yards. Not with lads holding sub 1/2 MOA (and smaller) groups.

    Then again i could be wrong. I'm only going on what ive seen from other manufacturers with such short barreled rifles.
    The two gun-stores I went in back home in Ontario between them had over a hundred of them on back order
    And if they were $1,400 or even €1,400 here i'd see the same happening. However with the price as you quoted above of £1,400 (€2,000) without anything on it i'm not so sure.

    Plus Ireland wouldn't be blip on Ruger's radar so i'm fairly sure they're not overly concerned with how it sells here.
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  • #23
    tac foley
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    Thanks for the information. Talking to one store owner in ON he told me that most of these rifles will be used as gong-ringers, an element of the shooting sport that neither you nor I can enjoy in these blesséd isles.

    As for the level of sales in Ireland, well, you wouldn't be alone in feeling somewhat left out. Here in yUK the importers, Viking Arms, were talking to a sales rep for Ruger in their home factory, and when he asked why there was so little support for the UK market, the young lady laffed and noted that just one store in TX had bigger sales than the entire year sales for UK for Ruger products.....

    tac


  • #24
    tac foley
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    Important update on yUK sales to the RoI from a UK gun retailer..................seems I got it ALL wrong, for which, apologies.

    Quote - 'No tac we still have to pay the vat to the uk importer as they charge it to us so we have to pass that cost on to who ever buys it I’m afraid'.

    That explains a lot.

    tac


  • #25
    EWQuinn
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    What he meant to say was: "What other Ruger rifle can be counted on to shoot half-MOA five-shot groups?"

    In my experience no Ruger factory rifle can be "counted on" to shoot sub MOA groups unless you're lucky. The one tested in American Rifleman shot sub MOA groups, not 1/2 MOA groups. This might be a landmark achievement for Ruger, yipee.

    http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/7/17/ruger-precision-rifle/


  • #26
    Ghost.
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    EWQuinn wrote: »
    What he meant to say was: "What other Ruger rifle can be counted on to shoot half-MOA five-shot groups?"

    In my experience no Ruger factory rifle can be "counted on" to shoot sub MOA groups unless you're lucky. The one tested in American Rifleman shot sub MOA groups, not 1/2 MOA groups. This might be a landmark achievement for Ruger, yipee.

    http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/7/17/ruger-precision-rifle/

    I like the look of the new precision rifle. It will be interesting to see how much they go for here.

    But I can't understand why ruger gets such a bad rap in the accuracy department in general for their rifles. I've got one and it can shoot sub 1/2 inch 5 shot groups no problem if I do my part. Yipee. With the right ammo. Although it is the heavy barrel model. And I've seen a light barrel 270 ruger do the same, just taking longer time between shots and good ammo. Maybe we got lucky with ours. But I doubt it. I'm not known for my good fortune. In my experience they are as good as any other makers.

    They are just hunting guns so I wouldn't be surprised if the precision rifle exceeds that easily. Sure isn't it designed to be more accurate than their hunting guns.


  • #27
    EWQuinn
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    After suffering through the Ruger No 1 (one of which I still own) and the Mini 14, I don't have to prove to anyone that Ruger has had known problems. Their bolt action rifles are fine but they are not designed to be consistent sub 1/2 MOA out of the box, so you are lucky or someone has done some work.

    I love my Ruger Redhawk, it's as accurate a .44 Mag handgun as one will find, and my Mark II Target which is a very accurate out of the box .22 pistol as the target that came with it and my shooting results have shown.

    I have AR's that are as or more accurate than this tactical rifle, and an old Remington 788 that is 1/2 MOA.

    Yipee ki-yay


  • #28
    Gorman700
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    Has anyone delved further into getting one of these yet. Looking at going after one myself in the new year.


  • #29
    Tackleberry.
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    Guessing the Ruger is restricted also having a folding stock...


  • #30
    Cass
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    No. That only applies to shotguns. SI 21/2008
    (b) shotguns manufactured, adapted or modified so as to render them incapable of containing more than 3 cartridges, but not to shotguns—

    (i) with a detached, folding or telescopic stock, or

    (ii) with a pistol grip, or

    (iii) whose barrel is less than 60.9 centimetres (24 inches) in length;
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  • #31
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    Cass wrote: »
    No. That only applies to shotguns. SI 21/2008


    They might use the "idontlikethelookofthat" clause and say it resembles an assault rifle. Maybe.


  • #32
    Cass
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    They can try, but that goes more for semi auto C/F, and pistols. They tend to, or in my experiences, leave rifles *unrestricted) alone.

    I had the same issue when i had my TRG and it was RENEWAL time. I was told it looks like a Military firearm and other such stuff. I made the point that i don't control how TRG build their rifles, that functionally it's a bolt action rifle (unrestricted), and to ban/prohibit the licensing of a firearm based on perceptions/looks rather than how it functions (as the law does) is illegal, and would create a monopoly for certain firearm manufacturers whose guns do NOT resemble such.

    I got the license with no interview or no hassle from the Super.
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  • #33
    Cass
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    Atlantic in Carlow are now stocking these.

    Anyone seen one or anyone seen one in another dealers yet?
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  • #34
    Gorman700
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    Cass wrote: »
    Atlantic in Carlow are now stocking these.

    Anyone seen one or anyone seen one in another dealers yet?

    Yeah! I have one in .243. Got it from Dom Byrne in Wexford!


  • #35
    Cass
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    What is she like lad? Have you got a chance to shoot it yet?
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  • #36
    cw67irl
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    Hilltop advertising them now aswell. Price Circa 2k


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  • #37
    RossiFan08
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    Duffy's in Galway have them in 308, 243 and i thinking 6.5 for 1800


  • #38
    German pointer
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    Dom's custom rifles has one in in stock in .308 €1850


  • #39
    Bad_alibi
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    What's the cheapest people have seen these for sale for, and where.


  • #40
    Deaf git
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    It's very difficult to justify €1800 ish when this gun is selling in the US for $1000-$1100. And dealers over there are still turning a profit at that price. I know there is volume sales, shipping, vat, import duties, export licence etc to be considered but can't see how that justifies a virtual doubling of the retail price.


  • #41
    Cass
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    Deaf git wrote: »
    It's very difficult to justify €1800 ish when this gun is selling in the US for $1000-$1100.
    Where is that?

    Ruger have it marked as $1,400.
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  • #42
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    Deaf git wrote: »
    It's very difficult to justify €1800 ish when this gun is selling in the US for $1000-$1100. And dealers over there are still turning a profit at that price. I know there is volume sales, shipping, vat, import duties, export licence etc to be considered but can't see how that justifies a virtual doubling of the retail price.

    Doubling seems to be standard for purchasing firearms in Ireland. The gun is €900ish converted, add €200 VAT, I doubt each dealer here is importing them themselves. More than likely purchasing from a supplier this side of the pond who's only paid a single $250 export fee in the US for multiple guns. Shipping on a number of guns is obviously cheaper than bringing in one or two. I cant see the gun landing here (in volume) costing the importer more than €1100/€1200 (assuming their paying retail without a volume discount (unlikely). So between the importer and the dealer there's at least €600/€700 profit.*

    *it they sell them @ €1800 but it seems some dealers are selling for more.


  • #43
    Bad_alibi
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    The reason I assume there's a separate supplier bringing in the guns is because it's would explain how dealers all across the country seem to have got them in stock at the same time. Otherwise they all independently filled paperwork work at the same time and had if granted at the same time


  • #44
    Cass
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    The price is, from Ruger, $1400. Dealers here don't buy from the US they buy from the UK.

    They retail there at £1400 ($1812).

    However take the $1400 price, add the single import fee (for whatever amount of firearms) of $250, add 23% VAT and i believe it's 4.7% for firearms (Duty). So we have:

    $1400 (€1267) - Cost
    $250 (€226) - Export fee
    $379 (€343) - VAT
    $77 (€69) - Duty

    Total of $2106 or €1906. Of course if they buy more than one that $250 fee is spread over 5,6, 10, 15 guns. Also i doubt they pay retail so the price could be lower again. Still the profit margin, allowing for these, would be in the €250 mark or so.

    Allowing for the fact they buy from the UK at retail then it's £1400 or €1640. So €240 profit. Cost/dealer price is another matter as i've no idea what they are buying them for.


    I would guess they are buying direct from the UK. Ireland is too small a market to be bothered with a main dealer/supplier. GMK supplies more and more of our stuff. Might be them.
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  • #45
    Bad_alibi
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    Cass wrote: »
    The price is, from Ruger, $1400. Dealers here don't buy from the US they buy from the UK.

    They retail there at £1400 ($1812).

    However take the $1400 price, add the single import fee (for whatever amount of firearms) of $250, add 23% VAT and i believe it's 4.7% for firearms (Duty). So we have:

    $1400 (€1267) - Cost
    $250 (€226) - Export fee
    $379 (€343) - VAT
    $77 (€69) - Duty

    Total of $2106 or €1906. Of course if they buy more than one that $250 fee is spread over 5,6, 10, 15 guns. Also i doubt they pay retail so the price could be lower again. Still the profit margin, allowing for these, would be in the €250 mark or so.

    Allowing for the fact they buy from the UK at retail then it's £1400 or €1640. So €240 profit. Cost/dealer price is another matter as i've no idea what they are buying them for.


    I would guess they are buying direct from the UK. Ireland is too small a market to be bothered with a main dealer/supplier. GMK supplies more and more of our stuff. Might be them.


    Good breakdown but I think your high on all your figures. I've seen the rifle advertised on numerous US sites for $1100 and less. There was even a dealers in Texas selling them for $950. There's no way a UK agent is purchasing them in bulk and then paying ruger's RRP of $1400.
    I think my figure of $1100 is much closer to the mark.

    So we'd have:

    $1100 (€995) - Cost
    $250 (€226) - Export fee say over 10 gun minimum €22
    $253 (€228) - VAT
    $50 (€45) - Duty

    Total of $1428 or €1290


  • #46
    Bad_alibi
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    http://gunwatcher.com/search-best-price/ruger-precision-rifle-for-sales

    There's a few for sale @ $1000. The dealers are obviously not selling below cost so that would suggest the dealer price in the US could be below $900


  • #47
    Cass
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    Bad_alibi wrote: »
    I've seen the rifle advertised on numerous US sites for $1100 and less.
    Thing is i doubt any dealer is scanning the "locals" for deals, plus a lot of those sites are auction sites. Then the last kicker non will sell or ship outside of CONUS.
    Bad_alibi wrote: »
    http://gunwatcher.com/search-best-price/ruger-precision-rifle-for-sales

    There's a few for sale @ $1000.
    Did you see page two? Prices go as high as $1,995. Here is another website selling them for $1,400 & $1,800.

    After checking around the average price can go between $1,100 all the way up to $2,000.


    I've said in the past that dealer here make a larger profit on some items, and some dealers really have high prices compared to other Irish RFDs, and way higher than online sites. However i doubt they are getting those rifles in for less than €1,200.
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  • #48
    Bad_alibi
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    Cass wrote: »
    Thing is i doubt any dealer is scanning the "locals" for deals, plus a lot of those sites are auction sites. Then the last kicker non will sell or ship outside of CONUS.


    Did you see page two? Prices go as high as $1,995. Here is another website selling them for $1,400 & $1,800.

    After checking around the average price can go between $1,100 all the way up to $2,000.


    I've said in the past that dealer here make a larger profit on some items, and some dealers really have high prices compared to other Irish RFDs, and way higher than online sites. However i doubt they are getting those rifles in for less than €1,200.

    While I agree this is an auction site, the guns can be purchased for $1000. As I said I doubt they're been sold below cost. I can't lay my hand to the link to the Texas dealer selling them for $950 and that's from a gun store.
    Im well aware they don't ship out of the CONUS and it wasn't the point I was making. I stated that dealers in the US are possibly purchasing direct from ruger for below $900 if their able to sell for $1000 retail.

    The fact that some as looking for $2000 is irrelevant as people will always over price and try make a buck you only have to look to adverts for that. (Sell second hand for twice the price new seems to be the norm) . It was a very popular rifle when it was released in the US and most places sold out (with a long back order) hence the $2000 price tag on auction sites.

    I agree dealers have some ridiculous margins on products here. With regards to dealers getting them in for below €1,200 I never said they were.


  • #49
    Cass
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    Bad_alibi wrote: »
    The fact that some as looking for $2000 is irrelevant as people will always over price and try make a buck you only have to look to adverts for that.
    It's not irrelevant. You have stated they can be gotten fro less than the RRP from Ruger, so if they are also selling above the RRP then it's very relevant. You cannot take the prices that prove a point and dismiss the ones that don't.
    I agree dealers have some ridiculous margins on products here. With regards to dealers getting them in for below €1,200 I never said they were.
    Alright then €1,290 if you want to be exact:
    Bad_alibi wrote: »
    Total of $1428 or €1290
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  • #50
    Bad_alibi
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    Cass wrote: »
    It's not irrelevant. You have stated they can be gotten fro less than the RRP from Ruger, so if they are also selling above the RRP then it's very relevant. You cannot take the prices that prove a point and dismiss the ones that don't.

    It is irrelevant as $1400 is ruger's recommended retail price that doesn't set the price the market does. The fact I've stated they can be gotten for less isn't some conspiracy I've concocted it's a fact. Look to any of the US forums and they regularly mention a retail price of $1000/1100 for the rifle. Like I said you can charge anything you want for a product (that parts irrelevant) what they actually sell for that's the relevant part.

    If people pay more for a product that can be purchased cheaper somewhere else it just proves the adage "a fool and his money are easily parted"

    Cass wrote: »
    Alright then €1,290 if you want to be exact:
    Don't see the point here I'll assume your agreeing with me :) although you do also seem to like an argument.


  • #51
    Bad_alibi
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    Second comment from a review on gunsamerica.com suggests a $899 price from discount shooters supply in Roseville CA


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