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Sherlock confirms that ‘Irish SOPA’ has been signed into law

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    A terrible day for Irish politics, any way this can be revoked (without the involvement of the EU)?

    I believe there is 30 days after the signing for it to be revoked by the Dail.

    But don't quote me on that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Seachmall wrote: »
    I believe there is 30 days after the signing for it to be revoked by the Dail.

    But don't quote me on that.

    Ah no, you've said it now, you're held accountable for misinformation!

    Wonder is that part of Sherlocks law? We'll get ya yet :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    He's made an appeal to call of the dogs
    http://www.thejournal.ie/sherlock-appeals-to-opponents-of-copyright-law-to-calls-off-the-dogs-369921-Mar2012/

    Sorry Sean, Its too late for that, 80000 people signed a petition for you not to sign that but you went against everyone and signed it anyway

    Edit; its just been slashdotted
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/03/01/0154237/irish-sopa-signed-into-law-despite-resistance


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    He's made an appeal to call of the dogs
    http://www.thejournal.ie/sherlock-appeals-to-opponents-of-copyright-law-to-calls-off-the-dogs-369921-Mar2012/

    Sorry Sean, Its too late for that, 80000 people signed a petition for you not to sign that but you went against everyone and signed it anyway

    Edit; its just been slashdotted
    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/03/01/0154237/irish-sopa-signed-into-law-despite-resistance

    Just read that meself, what a total eejit! He doesn't listen to what the people have to say, and when they get p1ssed off he says it can be overwritten only if the pressure on him eases...

    Horse, gate, bolted springs to mind!
    THE JUNIOR MINISTER responsible for the introduction of a new law dubbed the ‘Irish SOPA’ has said a public consultation launched yesterday could lead to new laws which would supersede the current law – but only if “everybody calls off the dogs”.
    Speaking exclusively to TheJournal.ie yesterday, Labour minister Seán Sherlock said the public consultation which was launched by his Department yesterday – alongside the introduction of a statutory instrument allowing copyright holders to seek injunctions blocking access to copyright-infringing material – paved the way for a potentially radical overhaul of copyright laws in Ireland.
    The statutory instrument – officially named the European Union (Copyright and Related Rights) Regulations 2012 – had prompted a wave of public outcry, including a number of protests and an online petition which attracted over 80,000 signatures, but was nonetheless signed into Irish law yesterday.
    “It’s vitally important that those people who were exercised by the statutory instrument will now engage in the very nature of copyright, [and] will engage on the issues within the consultation paper,” Sherlock said, describing the latter as a “very comprehensive and extensive document”.
    If everybody calls off the dogs, as it were – if everybody engages constructively on it – then I think we can reach compromises around the challenges between ISPs, the content holders, the copyright holders.
    Sherlock said the outcome of the consultation, if agreed with by the government, could also mean the potential introduction of further statutory instruments on online copyright law, or alternatively conclude that the current legal framework is sufficient.
    ‘Not SOPA’

    Sherlock moved to once again dispel fears that the legislation could lead to the blocking of major websites like YouTube or Facebook, which could potentially be subject to injunctions if copyrighted material was posted to them by other parties.
    “The very people who are lobbying against the SI [statutory instrument] called it ‘SOPA’ – so language is all important,” the Cork East TD for Labour said.
    It was not SOPA. And already on Twitter people are using the SOPAIreland hashtag, which is a complete nonsense. It has nothing to do with SOPA.
    “So the concerns were based on an interpretation of this SI as a mechanism for driving SOPA-type legislation, but that was not the case. So the arguments were flawed in that sense.”
    When presented with an example where a judge could issue an injunction to block a site like YouTube, Sherlock said the example “presumes that a judge will make a flawed judgement”.
    “We feel strongly that the SABAM v Scarlet decision – the ECJ decisions – now provide a guidance for any judge in Irish law,” the minister said, referring to the ruling where the ECJ ruled it illegal for courts to force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to filter content in order to enforce copyright protection.
    Consultation

    Although the statutory instrument was formally approved by the Cabinet three weeks ago, Sherlock said it was not signed into law until yesterday because the government wanted the consultation paper on copyright review to be published alongside it.
    Dr Eoin O’Dell, who co-authored the consultation paper being used as a basis for the copyright review, wrote in a blog post yesterday that the review should be seen as being “separate and distinct” from the statutory instrument.
    Sherlock said he hoped that “the online community, through the Irish Internet Association (IIA), will engage in a moderated debate or consultation, online” on the review paper.
    IIA chief executive Joan Mulvihill told TheJournal.ie she had approached Sherlock offering to facilitate IIA members in offering feedback to the consultation paper, and that it would collate the thoughts submitted to it for presentation to the minister.
    “We are an industry representative body, and our job is to represent the views of our members as a priority,” Mulvihill said. ”But that’s not to say I’m deaf to the thoughts of others.”
    The exact mechanics of how the IIA’s consultation would work, she added, had not yet been agreed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    cocoshovel wrote: »
    I find it cringeworthy when I look at his facefriend page and see nothing but 16 year old kids with their guy falks masks thinking they're hilarious with their "meme" generators.
    Half of them dont even make sense and are nothing but irrelevant text on some colouredy background with a face. They dont even know the meaning of memes, let alone have the right to vote. /rant

    but we are legion ecks dee so randum


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    Spoonman75 wrote: »
    Yeah it should be interesting to you. Consider Ireland as the litmus test for this law. It's here. Watch this space and see how this all pans out. Learn from it and tell as many of your fellow Americans that this is what happens when these types of laws are enacted in a particular country.

    Facebook was founded in 2004. YouTube was founded in 2005.

    If this law was enacted in those years would you consider making an Irish version of either websites?

    I'd spend my time wondering the point of it.

    Actually Belgium was the litmus test for this law, given that the ECJ has already had to rule on 3 cases based on a similar injunction type law based on the same EU Directive.

    In all cases the ECJ has said that the injunctions which sought blocking, filtering and 3 strikes style laws are not valid and contravene other EU laws


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    talkinyite wrote: »
    It was bound to happen really. Web 2.0 is already here.
    What exactly is your understanding of web 2.0?

    For those giving out about traditional media's bias, the SBP has had this online since last night, and had a fairly constant commentary on the issue over the past while. Must start buying that paper...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    What exactly is your understanding of web 2.0?

    My understanding of his comment was that because web 2.0 is now how people use the internet the most, it was bound to happen that this law would be introduced.


  • Registered Users Posts: 712 ✭✭✭AeoNGriM


    So, I'd just like to get one this straight. Will it still be alright to watch porn without the government finding out?

    THEY ALREADY KNOW :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭LumpyGravy


    I wish someone would do a 'Santorum' on this guy.

    Anyone wanna come up with a 'seansherlock' neologism?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Sh·er·lock

    verb
    1. To assume a position of arrogant ignorance.
    2. To use devious means by which to avoid controversy or objection.
    Ex: He sherlocked the whole country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    People should also note that while it was Sean Sherlock who drafted the S.I. it was Richard Bruton who actually signed this into law.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    matrim wrote: »
    People should also note that while it was Sean Sherlock who drafted the S.I. it was Richard Bruton who actually signed this into law.
    Ok, lets go http://www.facebook.com/richardbrutontd


  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭jasonc5432


    I find it fascinating that a large corporation (Google) is passing new rules allowing it to basically SHARE personal private information about individual members (including Irish people) ... that is PERSONAL INFORMATION about REAL PEOPLE. Yet, the Irish government is more interested in trying to prosecute people for sharing gif files or short clips of father ted. We know where this government's priorities are!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    jasonc5432 wrote: »
    I find it fascinating that a large corporation (Google) is passing new rules allowing it to basically SHARE personal private information about individual members (including Irish people) ... that is PERSONAL INFORMATION about REAL PEOPLE. Yet, the Irish government is more interested in trying to prosecute people for sharing gif files or short clips of father ted. We know where this government's priorities are!!!!!!!

    Google's privacy rules are opt in.

    You have to explicitly allow them to record your personal information and to use it for marketing purposes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Wetbench4


    jasonc5432 wrote: »
    I find it fascinating that a large corporation (Google) is passing new rules allowing it to basically SHARE personal private information about individual members (including Irish people) ... that is PERSONAL INFORMATION about REAL PEOPLE. Yet, the Irish government is more interested in trying to prosecute people for sharing gif files or short clips of father ted. We know where this government's priorities are!!!!!!!

    Mod edit. Removed name.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jasonc5432 wrote: »
    I find it fascinating that a large corporation (Google) is passing new rules allowing it to basically SHARE personal private information about individual members (including Irish people) ... that is PERSONAL INFORMATION about REAL PEOPLE.

    No it's not. It's using the information for targeted advertising on it's own servers and it's opt in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Wetbench4 wrote: »
    Mod edit. Removed name.

    Ps: only joking, you posted the same post on sherlocks fb page, and then logged in as your gf and posted again.


    Mod

    Don't publish real names please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Mod

    Don't publish real names please.
    Wait... you're not the real Micky Dolenz. That's copyright! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    smash wrote: »
    Wait... you're not the real Micky Dolenz. That's copyright! :pac:


    You can publish your own name if you wish but outing other posters is a bannable offence.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    ottostreet wrote: »
    Not that the RTE demographic would really give a **** what happens to the Internet.
    Thats the point though, they do most of the voting. Why would Sherlock care what a group notorious for not voting except in online polls think?
    Anybody feel like setting up a political party with me? We could do with a working one...
    But sure what, anytime someone tries it the same people weeping about this law will be the first to try and tear them down. Because politicians are teh evul.

    If ye don't engage in the political process because you think politicians are all arseholes lads, you will be ruled by arseholes.

    This isn't a problem with democracy, its a problem with regulatory capture. Thats what happens when an industry writes the laws and politicians pass them, corruption basically, because politicians know all they have to do to get re-elected is keep fixing small problems for big families in their constituency. Even people like Ian Paisley sorted out issues for Catholic families in his constituency, think about that for a minute. We have criminals and gangsters elected for the same reason.

    So write "regulatory" on the back of your left hand and "capture" on the back of your right hand so you never forget those words.

    This attitude that politics is crap needs to change. Get involved and take an active hand in guiding your country, off the internet.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Balls. Trust this to happen the week I finally get broadband installed in my rented accommodation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭campo


    ok might be a stupid question but what is so bad about this I presume it only stops people from illegaly downloading or streaming copyrighted material


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    campo wrote: »
    ok might be a stupid question but what is so bad about this I presume it only stops people from illegaly downloading or streaming copyrighted material

    Nope, if I remember right - even the fact you're using that image of Mick Foley, without the permission of either Mick Foley or the photographer/the agency means that you're in breach of SOPA.

    Though, I could have that wrong?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    campo wrote: »
    ok might be a stupid question but what is so bad about this I presume it only stops people from illegaly downloading or streaming copyrighted material

    You see your sig with the wrestling dude giving the thumbs up.
    That's more than likely a copyrighted image.
    The company or individual that owns that copyright can apply to a court to have the ISP block boards.ie because they displayed this image.

    An extreme example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭campo


    mikom wrote: »
    You see your sig with the wrestling dude giving the thumbs up.
    That's more than likely a copyrighted image.
    The company or individual that owns that copyright can apply to a court to have the ISP block boards.ie because they displayed this image.

    An extreme example.


    Better remove sig then before boards is taken down :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭Auvers


    campo wrote: »
    ok might be a stupid question but what is so bad about this I presume it only stops people from illegaly downloading or streaming copyrighted material

    nah their is way to many ways to get your mits on copyrighted material for this sort of draconian measure to work on pirates

    that horse has long since bolted irma


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    I am so f*cking angry right now its not funny.

    I'm assuming this isn't the exact same as ACTA so it can be changed.

    The fact that it was pretty much sorted 3 weeks ago and then sat on it while they done up the other report to launch together WHILE THE WHOLE F*CKING INTERNET complained, bitched, moaned and signed the petition they completly ignored it.

    Fingers crossed this will go the same way as the Blasphamy law and get quickly destroyed.

    Is there anypoint in going to other TDs in your area to complain? Me wayyyyy up here in Donegal


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    hedgehog coming out backwards

    haha brilliant


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Auvers wrote: »
    nah their is way to many ways to get your mits on copyrighted material for this sort of draconian measure to work on pirates

    that horse has long since bolted irma

    For people in the know, yes. For the casual youtube/facebook user I'd imagine it'd be pretty easy to restrict what they can view.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    One thing confusing me is this:
    “We feel strongly that the SABAM v Scarlet decision – the ECJ decisions – now provide a guidance for any judge in Irish law,” the minister said, referring to the ruling where the ECJ ruled it illegal for courts to force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to filter content in order to enforce copyright protection.

    If it was previously illegal for courts to force ISPs to block content for copyright enforcement why have Eircom had pirate bay blocked for nearly 3 years now?
    On the 24 July 2009, an Order was made by the High Court requiring eircom to block or otherwise disable access by its subscribers to the website thePirateBay.org, its related domain names, IP addresses and URLs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Downlinz wrote: »
    One thing confusing me is this:



    If it was previously illegal for courts to force ISPs to block content for copyright enforcement why have Eircom had pirate bay blocked for nearly 3 years now?

    They failed to appeal the ruling (or appealed but settled).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    We're getting a name for ourselves. Keep voting for traitors and they'll keep getting elected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭tigger123


    He's a sly little prick... he waited til Fiscal hit the headlines to slide this in the back door!

    Another freedom is now at risk... I hope the mans next ****e is a hedgehog coming out backwards and then gets a horrible bout of cancer!

    I think people here may be over-estimating the interest of the general punter on the street in this new law/SI, that coupled with the whole "he'll never get re-elected" rabble rabble rabble... most ordinary folk haven't a clue about this law, nor care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Funny how if you stick this picture (http://officiallythehottest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sean-sherlock-big3.jpg) into this site (http://www.pictriev.com/facedb/fs2.php) he comes up as being 100% David Cameron.









    Runs off to conspiracy theories forum!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Daniel S wrote: »
    Funny how if you stick this picture (http://officiallythehottest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/sean-sherlock-big3.jpg) into this site (http://www.pictriev.com/facedb/fs2.php) he comes up as being 100% David Cameron.









    Runs off to conspiracy theories forum!

    i hope you got permission to use those images


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Will I have to get permission for images I use as avatars?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Having a great laugh reading his FB page.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Will I have to get permission for images I use as avatars?

    LOL, it don't look right if it's not defaced


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Whats the bets internet piracy rises as a result of this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,364 ✭✭✭✭Kylo Ren




  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Niall0001


    Whats the bets internet piracy rises as a result of this.

    Anonymous numbers are bound to rise in Ireland also. Oh, & 80,000 No votes in the upcoming referendum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭twilightsection


    My blog post and my email to Sean Sherlock, Richard Bruton and Enda Kenny.

    http://mralcapowensblog.tumblr.com/


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not true (not referring to the smarmy child bit, totally agree with that!), want freedom and privacy on the net? Clear and close your google account, download and use exclusively the Tor browser bundle and all recommended additions.

    It's the most appallingly simple thing in the world and the number of people doing it is going to absolutely skyrocket.


    I have my privacy well guarded online but the fact remains that the vast majority of people are not so prepared. Online privacy is getting harder and harder to maintain and it would seem that members of our government are only planning on stricter and tighter regulation of the Internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,107 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    When he finds out what the internet is, he'll eventually be able to fix his Facebook account.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭De Hipster


    My blog post and my email to Sean Sherlock, Richard Bruton and Enda Kenny.

    http://mralcapowensblog.tumblr.com/


    Hear, hear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    I'm gonna canvass directly against just him before the next General Election.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    I have my privacy well guarded online but the fact remains that the vast majority of people are not so prepared.
    I agree completely, but as the noose tightens the number of people circumventing it will increase drastically, the knowledge isn't great and it isn't hard to find, I gave this point, with figures and references, to my local TD and Sherlock before the SI was signed in, interestingly they had nothing much to say...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    I sent a mail to sean sherlock last night, once I read that SOPA had been signed by him and passed into law.

    I have nothing to hide, so I used my real name, and my email address from college.


    I received this reply tonight.

    Please read copyright review doc. And then ask yourself who funds tssg. You students!!!!sometimes I despair that we are educating a generation of people who don't know how to inform themselves of the facts.

    Sean Sherlock TD
    Minister of State

    Sent from my iPhone


    tssg is Telecommunications Software & Systems Group,
    details can be found here http://www.tssg.org/about/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Originally Posted by sean sherlock
    Please read copyright review doc. And then ask yourself who funds tssg. You students!!!!sometimes I despair that we are educating a generation of people who don't know how to inform themselves of the facts.

    Sean Sherlock TD
    Minister of State

    Sent from my iPhone

    Pretty sure he's slaggin' yor ma!


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