Becoming a Real Runner

Brianderunner · 16-10-2010 2:30am

Hope the stomach holds up on race day or you'll be running STRAIGHT into a RUNNER RUNNER FLUSH if you know what i mean

Anyone else reading this will be wondering wtf!

tunguska · 16-10-2010 10:01am

menoscemo wrote: »

Tonight was the last 'tough' run in the programme before the marathon. A rather hard looking VO2 max run: 3 x 1 mile @ 5 k pace.

2 mile warm up @ 8:34 (140)

3 x 1 mile with half a mile recoveries went like this:
6:31 (167)

6:33 (171)

6:32 (170)

Thet felt tough but not overly tough as the HR shows. Max HR for the excercise was 175.
2 Mile cool down @ 8:37 (152)

Total: 8 miles @ 7:54 avg pace (154 av hr)

That looks a lot like a P&D session to me............have you been using one of their plans? Sorry I havent caught up with your log before this menoscemo. Hows the groin holding up? Anyway If I dont see you before the big day best of luck.

menoscemo · 16-10-2010 11:07am

tunguska wrote: »

That looks a lot like a P&D session to me............have you been using one of their plans? Sorry I havent caught up with your log before this menoscemo. Hows the groin holding up? Anyway If I dont see you before the big day best of luck.

Cheers Tugnuska, yep i have been following P&D 55 MPW plan religiously (Don't think I have missed a session

). Groin has been 100% for a few weeks now. i was probably being ultra cautios at the Firhouse race. Thanks for the tip about the compression shorts, i have found them really good. Best of luckn to yourself as well. I won't ask you what your targetting.

P.S. You should get your own log :pac:

menoscemo · 16-10-2010 11:14am

Brianderunner wrote: »

Hope the stomach holds up on race day or you'll be running STRAIGHT into a RUNNER RUNNER FLUSH if you know what i mean

Anyone else reading this will be wondering wtf!

I didn't get a chance to tell anyone my bad beat story as i just left in disgust last night. this is my best chance to get it off my chest. Sorry to the non poker playing boardises as this won't mean much.

I had been playing tight all day and on about 24k after 8 hours. Villain has been on my table all day so he should know me at this stage. I am in the SB (500/1k level) with 3 limpers. Villain had limped UTG (normally very agressive, hmmm) i complete with 7-8 off. BB checks. Flop comes 6-9-10, 2 diamonds, 1 Club. Bingo!! I lead for 3k. BB folds, UTG makes it 8k, fold, fold,. I Ship (obviously) he snap calls and turns over AK clubs (wtf?). He tells me he was trapping by limping in and couldn't fold now :rolleyes:. Turn, 3clubs, River 9 clubs.

Just so you know it was this guy:

So deal him a bad beat for me:pac: He'll probably go on and win the bloddy thing (in fairness, he had been playing very well up to that point yesterday.)

tunguska · 16-10-2010 11:25am

menoscemo wrote: »

P.S. You should get your own log :pac:

Once upon a time I did............

plodder · 16-10-2010 1:59pm

menoscemo wrote: »

I didn't get a chance to tell anyone my bad beat story as i just left in disgust last night. this is my best chance to get it off my chest. Sorry to the non poker playing boardises as this won't mean much.

I had been playing tight all day and on about 24k after 8 hours. Villain has been on my table all day so he should know me at this stage. I am in the SB (500/1k level) with 3 limpers. Villain had limped UTG (normally very agressive, hmmm) i complete with 7-8 off. BB checks. Flop comes 6-9-10, 2 diamonds, 1 Club. Bingo!! I lead for 3k. BB folds, UTG makes it 8k, fold, fold,. I Ship (obviously) he snap calls and turns over AK clubs (wtf?). He tells me he was trapping by limping in and couldn't fold now :rolleyes:. Turn, 3clubs, River 9 clubs.

The dirty git!! Though I haven't got the foggiest what you're talking about ...

Stick to the running maybe. Sounds like you're doing better at that !

chinguetti · 16-10-2010 2:06pm

You're right Meno, i haven't a clue what all that was about.

I'll stick to the horses.

Aimman · 16-10-2010 7:00pm

menoscemo wrote: »

Villain had limped UTG (normally very agressive, hmmm) i complete with 7-8 off. BB checks. Flop comes 6-9-10, 2 diamonds, 1 Club. Bingo!! I lead for 3k. BB folds, UTG makes it 8k, fold, fold,. I Ship (obviously) he snap calls and turns over AK clubs (wtf?). He tells me he was trapping by limping in and couldn't fold now :rolleyes:. Turn, 3clubs, River 9 clubs.

Dont you mean he calls Snap and bangs his hand on the cards????

sarsfieldsrock · 16-10-2010 8:13pm

You didn't do anything wrong but get unlucky.
Always sucks when a flush comes along after you have made the straight on the flop.

Brianderunner · 17-10-2010 2:21am

menoscemo wrote: »

I didn't get a chance to tell anyone my bad beat story as i just left in disgust last night. this is my best chance to get it off my chest. Sorry to the non poker playing boardises as this won't mean much.

I had been playing tight all day and on about 24k after 8 hours. Villain has been on my table all day so he should know me at this stage. I am in the SB (500/1k level) with 3 limpers. Villain had limped UTG (normally very agressive, hmmm) i complete with 7-8 off. BB checks. Flop comes 6-9-10, 2 diamonds, 1 Club. Bingo!! I lead for 3k. BB folds, UTG makes it 8k, fold, fold,. I Ship (obviously) he snap calls and turns over AK clubs (wtf?). He tells me he was trapping by limping in and couldn't fold now :rolleyes:. Turn, 3clubs, River 9 clubs.

Just so you know it was this guy:
So deal him a bad beat for me:pac: He'll probably go on and win the bloddy thing (in fairness, he had been playing very well up to that point yesterday.)

You were 93% favourite after the flop to win the hand (just checked it now) Yeah i'll remember him for tomorrow, I'm betting he'll donk it off early on. Only 124 left out of 1300 starters.

menoscemo · 17-10-2010 5:47pm

plodder wrote: »

The dirty git!! Though I haven't got the foggiest what you're talking about ...

Stick to the running maybe. Sounds like you're doing better at that !

Used to play a lot of poker but friday was my first game in about 6 months. It has really taken a back seat since the running started. Sadly I don't think I'll ever be able to run to the standards I used to play (can't see myself ever winning a race). But running is a much more healthy hobby.

Anyway. I was bad yesterday and drank too much and ate too much junk food. I am eating rings around myself this past week and am back up to my customary 75kgs (was down to 73 after coming back from the states a few months ago)
The Punishment today was a 5 mile run to sweat the alcohol out. The run actually felt great for a hangover run.

5.1 miles @ 9:14 pace.

menoscemo · 18-10-2010 8:52pm

I decided to bring last weeks LSR forward to monday so as to do the last week of training by the book.
This was one of those runs that you do 'because you have to'. It was dark, cold and extremely windy. the wind seemed to be constantly in my face. I did it all in Tymon park and ended up running up and down the only lighted part just to make up tha last few miles.

That said It all felt fairly comfortable for a relatively fast pace.

12 miles @8:23 pace. Av HR 146. The average heart rate should be about 156 for the first half of the marathon, so that gives me approximately 10bpm for an extra 30 sec/mile pace. Sounds about right.

Weekly total: 32.1 miles (4 runs)

menoscemo · 20-10-2010 7:45pm

6 miles recovery Pace: 9:20 ish, Av HR 132.

Nothing much to report. Chilly out there. Hat and gloves got their first turnout of the year. I met Aimman at the start of the run and he looked like he was dressed for summer (I think his arms and hands had turned Blue though). No wonder he can't stick to recovery pace :pac:

menoscemo · 21-10-2010 8:09pm

Plan: 7 miles with 2 @ PMP

Met up with Aimman for this tonight. He doesn't seem to mind running his PMP miles at 30 seconds faster than PMP :pac:

This run felt great, especially the PMP miles. They went: 7:53 (155), 7:52 (151) the first being uphill and the second down. I hope to keep the Hr in the mid 150's at least for the first half of the race so tonight was spot on.

Looking back on the run now, the HR is much lower than normal in the other miles. Maybe the taper is working!! I am all nervous and excited. The marathon is all I can think about in work and I am waking up 3+ times each night for the last week with various weird marathon related dreams.

Overall: 6.9 miles Pace: 8:36, Av HR 140.

Aimman · 21-10-2010 8:20pm

It was a good enjoyable run tonight. Pity about the dark evenings.

Dont worry about the weird dreams. Especially the one where you end up at the staring line completely naked except for your number tatooed on your chest.

You only need to worry when you realise you've done it for real.:eek: Thats one photo to avoid on MarathonFoto.com!

You're well on course for 3:30. Enjoy.

misty floyd · 21-10-2010 8:33pm

Aimman wrote: »

Dont you mean he calls Snap and bangs his hand on the cards????

brilliant

:D:D

Brianderunner · 22-10-2010 12:21am

menoscemo wrote: »

I am all nervous and excited. The marathon is all I can think about in work and I am waking up 3+ times each night for the last week with various weird marathon related dreams.

At least you've got work to distract you, try sitting around all day thinking about it like me. I bet you're having the dream where you you're on for a brilliant time then suddenly you can't run and your legs feel like jelly. Every runner gets those at some stage. I once had a dream i was running the DCM with Alf from Home and Away and we took a wrong turn and ended up in Sandymount

, he then fcked me out of it

metamorphosis · 22-10-2010 12:46am

Alf of all people?!

jcsmum · 22-10-2010 9:40am

Best of luck on Monday!

menoscemo · 22-10-2010 9:46am

Brianderunner wrote: »

I once had a dream i was running the DCM with Alf from Home and Away and we took a wrong turn and ended up in Sandymount , he then fcked me out of it

That's class

You should start a thread about dreams. unfortunately i can never remember mine.

RacoonQueen · 22-10-2010 9:48am

Alf did WHAT?!! :eek:

chinguetti · 22-10-2010 10:32am

What about if it is Alf from the series 'ALF', that would be far more scary i'm thinking

pgmcpq · 22-10-2010 6:45pm

Loiks like you're finishing strong. Good luck Monday - I'm sure I'll see you at some stage.

menoscemo · 22-10-2010 7:02pm

pgmcpq wrote: »

Loiks like you're finishing strong. Good luck Monday - I'm sure I'll see you at some stage.

Hope you make goal. You really deserve it. Maybe see you in the pub for one after? You'll be waiting a while for the other to come in and McGrattans is right at the finish line...
I feel a cold coming on :mad: I felt it has been threatening all week but the floodgates of the nose just opened on the way home from work along with a few sneezes. I am hoping this is just taper madness. I have already took some preventative action (lemsip)

Brianderunner · 22-10-2010 8:09pm

menoscemo wrote: »

That's class You should start a thread about dreams. unfortunately i can never remember mine.

Maybe you're better off not remembering, saves you from posting embarassing sh*t on message boards.

Don't worry too much about any potential cold, remember how well you ran when we did the 18 with 14 @pmp, you were dying that week remember. You should be more worried about a cold interrupting your drinking session on Monday

Relax you're gonna kick ass on Monday.

kennyb3 · 22-10-2010 10:31pm

Meno,

Best of luck on monday.You are an absolute shoe in for 3.30, in fact im surprised you havent revised your target downwards - but at same time i understand why not with the endurance thing in your mind. You ve done all the training made all the long runs and more and missed nothing. There are no stamina issues!!I ve no doubts you ll get to the line in about 3.28 fresh as a daisy. 8m/m is an easy jog for you.Just believe in yourself.

metamorphosis · 22-10-2010 11:09pm

id echo kennyb3. The progress from this exact time last year to now is grade A. You'll certainly enjoy the hard earned pints Monday.

Best of Luck N.

misty floyd · 23-10-2010 11:27am

Have a great race Menoscemo. Easy does it first half. Good luck.

RAL3 · 23-10-2010 1:33pm

Good luck Meno

RedB · 23-10-2010 2:48pm

Best of luck Menoscemo, knock it out of the park!

menoscemo · 23-10-2010 6:41pm

Thanks for the well wishes lads.
Up until last night I would have said I was dead confident. Now I am not so sure. (warning the following may contain taper madness)

I got up this morning and the cold had not got worse, still a few sniffles in the nose and a bit of a dry throat but that's all. It was a lovely bright day so decided to wrap up well and continue with the programme as normal: 5 miles recovery.
Since getting the dodgy garmin readings I have turned off the HR field as it used to just annoy me, but recovery should be <140bpm. This morning I ran at what felt an easy/ recovery pace. I didn't feel bad at all, and was happy with the run.
When I saw the stats on the watch and a 154 av HR at the end, I put it down to the HRM being on the blink again, however after checking the graph on Garmin connect it seems to be correct. The HR line is very steady in the 150-160 area instead of the continual peaks and troughs of when it is not working properly. So basically my normal recovery pace had me working 18 BPM harder than a few days ago, in fact harder than during my MP miles n thursday. I doubt I have lost fitness so It has to be the cold.

5 miles@ 8:50 pace, 154 HR :mad:

I am hoping I have sweated the damned thing out of me in that run as I don't feel too bad since. Just hope the bloody thing goes away by monday, drinking lemsip now so hope that helps....I'll do my scheduled 4 miler in the morning and hope the HR is lower.

Picked up my number today in the RDS and met lots of boardsies. I nearly had myself convinced that the cold was a figment of my imagination but RQ (ever the honest one) just confirmed that I did indeed sound like I had a cold. Thanks RQ :pac:

RacoonQueen · 23-10-2010 6:50pm

The baby Jesus doesn't like it when I lie. Sorry. Would you rather I lied and said noooo you're sound fine don't have any lemsip...I don't want to sabotage your race.

menoscemo · 24-10-2010 11:23am

Last little run out before the big day. Wrapped up with several layers again, it was cold despite the fact the sun was splitting the trees.
Again the run felt easy and it was a very easy pace, but the HR stats are all over the place http://connect.garmin.com/activity/54140289
I am thinking maybe my first instinct (that the HRM is on the blink again) must be correct- It has me steadily in the VO2 max zone for the first mile (9:28)....

The cold is still there but it has never got beyond a mild annoyance. I'll just have to trust myself and go with the 3:30 pacers as planned. As Brian said I did 18 w 14 PMP a few weeks ago with a much worse cold and managed to grit it out without issue

3.1 miles @ 9:25 Av HR 152 :rolleyes:

Woddle · 24-10-2010 12:20pm

I wonder is it the extra layers playing havoc with your readings.
Anyway best of luck, not that you need it.

xebec · 24-10-2010 2:25pm

Funny after talking about it yesterday, my HR monitor has fecked up this morning too - one of the readings is 250 which I think is a little high, even for me! Settled back down to the 150s after about a mile, but average was 174 for the 2.25 miles...

Looking forward to sharing a pint with you tomorrow after the race, hope it all goes as planned for you.

metamorphosis · 24-10-2010 4:58pm

All the best for tommorrow. 3.30.

Slogger Jogger · 24-10-2010 5:00pm

Best wishes for tomorrow men'o.

metamorphosis · 25-10-2010 3:40pm

Some time today - Well done menopause!

Slogger Jogger · 25-10-2010 3:56pm

Congrats, well done.

menoscemo · 25-10-2010 7:08pm

3:32.54. A race of two halfs. The firt six miles being the hard half! Report to follow tomorrow. Delighted and enjoying the pints!

gerard65 · 25-10-2010 7:13pm

Well done menopause. I saw you at Bushy and thought you were'nt looking too good, but you got there. Deffo sub 3:30 next time.

menoscemo · 26-10-2010 11:17am

gerard65 wrote: »

Well done menopause. I saw you at Bushy and thought you were'nt looking too good, but you got there. Deffo sub 3:30 next time.

Thanks Gerard, I actually thought I was feeling good at that point

Anyway Race Report.
As you know from following the log I have had a cold for the past few days, I was doubting following the 3:30 guys but lined upt here anyway alongside Chiguetti and Brianderunner. When the gun went off I immediately felt awful. It was like the damns opening. Despite the slow first mile (8:15) and the almost subzero temperatures I was sweating badly. It was literally flooding down my forhead. I said to Brian on Pearse st that I was in trouble and it wasn't going to be my day. I was feling sick and sluggish to boot. I held onto the back of the 3:30 group up to about 5 miles but as we entered the park I decided I was going to enjoy this race and let the pacers drift off. I slowed down to what felt comfortable and this was actually only about 10 seconds per mile slower, however it seemed the pressure of not having to chase baloons really helped me.

By the time we left the park at about mile 8 I was starting to feel much better and even began picking up the pace again. At half way I realised I was feeling a million times better than last year and by 18 I knew it was ll good. The hills were no bother and to be honest the last 6 miles were great. I really enjoyed the crowds and was high fiving all the kids and raising my arms all the way!! I finished strong and incredily my legs werent even sore afterwards (and still aren't today). I don't know what happened after thoe first four miles yeasterday. My theory is that I sweated the cold out of myself. I was actually making plans to quit at that point

, I am so gald I gutted it out though as it ended up being my most enjoyable race! Feeling good for the last 6 miles of a marathon is not something I ever thought I would do, I actaully feel like an endurance athlete now!! Bring on the conemarra ultra :pac:

Splits: 8:16 (180 :rolleyes:) 7:44 (159), 7:51 (159), 7:46 (156), 7:55 (155), 8:05 (157), 8:03 (153), 8:25 -pitstop (147) 7:46 (151), 8:09 (154), 8:12 (149) 8:08 (151), 8:12 (152), 8:03 (152) , 7:58 (151) 7:59 (152), 8:01 (150), 8:00 (149), 8:04 (150), 8:24 -slowed to talk to chinguetti- (152), 8:20 (153), 8:15 (147), 7:55 (151), 8:07 (152), 8:02 (153), 7:57 (154), last .4 at 7:44 pace (157)

Overall Av pace: 8:03, Av HR 153.

as You can see, I was probably a little too comfortable for the second half. I had expected the HR to be mid 150s for the first half and near 160 for the second half. I am sure in retrospect if I had stuck to the pacers I would have made 3:30 no problem, but to be honest I am not going to lose much sleep over 3 minutes. It's a PB by 43 minutes after all. I am Just happy to have ran a strong marathon!!

Much fun was had after the race, another 12 hour drinking session. Met loads of boardsies and had a great night. As always, the memories are a little hazy towards the end of the night!!

shels4ever · 26-10-2010 12:15pm

Well done on a great time, Don't think sub 3:30 will be even be in your mind come your next marathon.. 3:20/15

going on the progress your making.

chinguetti · 26-10-2010 12:30pm

You were talking some manure when i left the pub last night. And bouncing around like a pinball too.:D

Well done on a great run and thanks again for those sweets at the flyover, they kept me going to get through the pains.

Brianderunner · 26-10-2010 2:15pm

chinguetti wrote: »

You were talking some manure when i left the pub last night. And bouncing around like a pinball too.:D

I'll second that. You said you were gonna run home just before you left the pub. :rolleyes:

Anyway well done on the race. I thought you were done as we entered the park if i'm honest.

RacoonQueen · 26-10-2010 2:47pm

chinguetti wrote: »

You were talking some manure when i left the pub last night. And bouncing around like a pinball too.:D

Talks that when sober too...:rolleyes:

menoscemo · 28-10-2010 7:54pm

Since monday the legs haven't been sore at all, but funnily enough I have not been able to sleep properly. I must have caught something off RQ :pac:
I wasn't able to eat at all after the race or again on tuesday (though that could be booze related) though thankfully the appetite was back by wednesday.

Last night I signed up to the Barcelona Marathon in March and the conemarra Ultra (39.3miles) in April. I am unsure or not wether to go out in Barca for a PB or just use it as a long training run for the ultra. I am afraid with it only being 5 weeks before conemarra, it may affect my training and performance if I race it for a PB????

Tonight I was just dying for a run. Also I said I may as well follow the P&D recovery plan for the next few weeks, since it served me so well before and it had me down for a run tonight.

So Anyway: 3.4 miles pace 9:24, HR 126. A bit shocked with the heart rate, the lowest ever by far in any run and I did a fair few recovery runs at this pace. The legs felt quite weak though so I think it will be very slow miles for a while. Hope to be back in top form for the waterford Half.

metamorphosis · 28-10-2010 9:03pm

menoscemo wrote: »

I wasn't able to eat at all after the race or again on tuesday (though that could be booze related) though thankfully the appetite was back by wednesday.

/QUOTE]

From what i hear, you were doing the dog in those old Gin and tonics :pac:

So, if you are going for a fast one in Barca, whats the target?

menoscemo · 28-10-2010 9:35pm

ULstudent wrote: »

From what i hear, you were doing the dog in those old Gin and tonics :pac:

So, if you are going for a fast one in Barca, whats the target?

Jesus have you got a batphone? Despite never showing up you seem to be aware of every movement everyone else makes :P

If I were to go for a fast one in Barca I suppose sub 3:25 would be the target, especially given it's a much flatter course than Dublin.

I don't think I will go fast in Barca though. I'll leave a fast marathon for later in the year. Sub 6 in the conn ultra is the main target for the first half of the year. I might look out for a few pacing gigs to keep me ticking over as well.

menoscemo · 30-10-2010 6:06pm

4.1 miles tonight. Pace 8:47, HR 145.
Legs felt a lot better tonight, much more spring in the step. I am surprised to see the HR was so High, especially after the mega low HR the other night, I'll put it down to goign straight out tonight after eating.
I'll look to get a slightly longer run in tomorrow.

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