Leaders Debate part 2 :)

efb · 15-02-2011 12:06am

Gormley by a mile

Then Enda because he stuck rigidly with his script.

After that there s fudge, Eamonn certainly not going to be Taoiseach!

Sardonicat · 15-02-2011 12:06am

Stimulating, no. Nauseating, yes.

Well guys, who do ye think the Oscar should go to?

lizanneclaire · 15-02-2011 12:06am

FF's proposal to select Ministers from outside the Dail brings the frightening prospect of a continuation of croneyism and jobs for the boys which has got us where we are today. Imagine Seanie Fitz as Minister for Finance or one of the Galway tent set in charge of the Environment.

Balmed Out · 15-02-2011 12:06am

reckon too many voices to make it a proper debate where issues were discussed with any detail. For my money Gormley came out best followed by either Martin who put himself out tthere not always doing great or enda who tried to stay quiet.

Buford T Justice · 15-02-2011 12:06am

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Yes he was and we all know that. So there is no need to be brought up everytime a question is asked

The others use it as a cop-out so as not to answer the question posed.

In fairness though, you have to ask. How come it takes a general election where the parties power is at stake before they come up with these policies about what they are going to do about anything? They have had fourteen years to do something and they didn't, so if you ask me it is a bit rich that they are now coming up with policies about xyz and reforms blah blah....

They can go and fuck themselves, if you ask me. They are the masterminds of our demise and deserve the pounding they are going to get.

caseyann · 15-02-2011 12:06am

Drumpot wrote: »

Just because you are honest doesnt make your comments ludicrous. I have no problem with SF. My problem is with them having a leader who has little clue of politics in this country and who is taking through his preverbials when his economic strategy is questioned . .

Hasnt got a clue in politics yet he is commended by British politicians all the time,and won votes of loyalists.

He as far as i can see they did not give him the time to answer.
It should be an hour long of each leader alone answering questions from economic experts etc.. and live coverage on that with the facts and figures.Damn RTE.
I want one on one stuff :mad:

Sacred_git · 15-02-2011 12:07am

All said and done, sinners are sinners but Gerry Adams is the only one talking from the heart there and telling the truth, the other 4 come across as chancers, Enda is NOT a leader, trying to play us. Adams is a leader, we all know what his done but he is a leader and comes across as the only genuine person who cares about the country. Puts us all to shame really, we turned into greedy bunch of gits! Gerry Adams won that debate!

wyndhurst · 15-02-2011 12:07am

Don't know how many picked it up but IMO the best quote of the night was from the Baron when he said that all evictions should be banned. No evictions whatsoever.
So vote SF, stop paying your mortgage and keep your house. Priceless.

Liam Byrne · 15-02-2011 12:07am

Gerry Adams asking what kind of state "we" want?

Is he moving to this country or something?

Mr.Nice Guy · 15-02-2011 12:07am

I don't know who won but I think the losers are all of us if they're the best we've got.

Hell Toupee · 15-02-2011 12:07am

Not a fan of fine gael - but they could walk this election with a different leader

Kristopherus · 15-02-2011 12:07am

efb wrote: »

Is Pat Kenny handing it to JG!

Enda would Greens 1 seat (maybe 2 after tonight) help?

Enda is an awful orator,but Terry has worked wonders!

Who's Terry?

ReacherCreature · 15-02-2011 12:08am

Drumpot wrote: »

Winner tonight had to be Gormley .. Best debater by a mile . .

Gormley had a poor start but came along quickly. Enjoyed his thoughts.

efb wrote: »

Gormley by a mild.

Enda because he stuck rigidly with his script.

After that there s fudge, Eamonn certainly not going to be Taoiseach!

Don't want Gilmore as Taoiseach. There's little appeal with him. Would rather Kenny to lead the country.

Kristopherus · 15-02-2011 12:08am

RTE 2 Now !!!!!

Jennyrose · 15-02-2011 12:08am

goat2 wrote: »

these questions were pre arranged, they were given an idea of the questions coming at them, it is kind of stage managed in my mind, they should not have pre arranged questions

Yes, you would wonder what it would be like if they had to answer off their own bat. Because it's all about quick thinking now..

axer · 15-02-2011 12:08am

I would give best actor to Kenny for sticking on talking point. Best supporting actor to Gormley for a huge performance at the end that nobody saw coming. Then Gilmore martin and adams at a tie.

PeakOutput · 15-02-2011 12:08am

gormley and martin definitely came off well

kenny did well but he needs a personality and to begin thinking for himself on the spur of the moment nothing he says is ever off the cuff its all pre decided and even when an easy retort is put in front of him he resorts to canned responses

im dumbfounded anyone thinks anything gormley says is possible not to mind reasonable

i fear sinn fein might have grabbed a few votes, if you speak well enough it dosnt matter what you are saying people will latch onto and he is a good speaker

The Black Pearl · 15-02-2011 12:08am

How can anyone with even the slightest notion of reality think Adams won that debate?

Koyasan · 15-02-2011 12:09am

I was very surprised with how well Gormley did there. It sounds like they have some good ideas, and it sounds like he's perfectly happy not be re-elected so long as the policies he's advocating get implemented.

Drumpot · 15-02-2011 12:09am

caseyann wrote: »

Hasnt got a clue in politics yet he is commended by British politicians all the time,and won votes of loyalists.
He as far as i can see they did not give him the time to answer.
It shoudl be an hour long of each leader alone answering questions from economic experts etc.. and live coverage on that with the facts and figures.Damn RTE.
I want one on one stuff :mad:

I said he hasnt a clue about Irish Politics, theres a differance. He is a good Northern Politician. How does that make him a good southern Politician ?

His knowledge on Irish politics is obviously weak. It wasnt that he didnt have time to answer, he didnt have any credible answers ! ! ! He stumbled several times through his answers . .

Wetbench4 · 15-02-2011 12:09am

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Gerry Adams asking what kind of state "we" want?

Is he moving to this country or something?

Doesn't he live in Dundalk?????

steelcityblues · 15-02-2011 12:09am

Don't know if these debates actually convince many people, but at least it was less rigid than last week's affair.

Ireland will continue to be the real loser of course.

sparkling sea · 15-02-2011 12:09am

zig wrote: »

fairly insulting to any nationalist up the north. clearly you've no interest whatsoever in a united Ireland

Your right there, love my country just as it is. Proud to come from the Republic, I knocked off any chips I may have had of my shoulder years ago.

Up the 26 county Republic of Ireland - long may it last.

Wasn't John Gromley great - really surprised by him

Jennyrose · 15-02-2011 12:09am

Kristopherus wrote: »

RTE 2 Now !!!!!

meh, this series was NOT good. Laughed maybe twice. Time to go I think Dave

(A fan since Ha Ha)

wyndhurst · 15-02-2011 12:09am

Sacred_git wrote: »

All said and done, sinners are sinners but Gerry Adams is the only one talking from the heart there and telling the truth, the other 4 come across as chancers, Enda is NOT a leader, trying to play us. Adams is a leader, we all know what his done but he is a leader and comes across as the only genuine person who cares about the country. Puts us all to shame really, we turned into greedy bunch of gits! Gerry Adams won that debate!

So..."knowing what he has done" (jean mcconville, McCabe, etc, etc, etc) you still think he is a lovely honest fellow speaking from the heart.

martyc1976 · 15-02-2011 12:10am

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Gerry Adams asking what kind of state "we" want?

Is he moving to this country or something?

what country do you live in? the last time i looked at the map we are on an island...1 island

leincar · 15-02-2011 12:10am

The winner Gormley followed by Kenny, Adams, Gilmore and Martin.

While no one will win an election on the basis of a debate I think we can be sure that Labour will lose another couple of percent, as will Fianna Fáil. The Green party might get a seat somewhere, Sinn Féin may get to fifteen seats and I think Fine Gael may get an overall majority.

Tucker Max · 15-02-2011 12:10am

Drumpot wrote: »

Winner tonight had to be Gormley .. Best debater by a mile . .

gree Id rate it

1. Gormley - well balanced didnt get ruffled.Made is points well.
2. Adams - really went after Martin.
3. Gilmore - Scored nice point on health with Martin and caught Inda out on his growth projections
4 Inda - Started strong but faded fast. Major mistake on the projections and saying that they had been vetted by the Dept Of Finance. The same Dept of finance that have got all projections woefully wrong
God help us when he's Taoiseach
5 Martin - Steam Rolled. Had to resort to low blows.

namloc1980 · 15-02-2011 12:11am

1. Gormley (balanced and is a good speaker)
2. Kenny (only because I expected him to be worse)
3. Martin (the others should have buried him with all the ammo but his good debating skills kept him alive)
4. Gilmore (all soundbites and no substance)
5. Adams (away with the fairies)

zig · 15-02-2011 12:11am

Frustrating watching behaviour towards Adams and SF in general, quite often childish, it feels like they are just pissing in the wind, no matter what they say they are just going to be laughed at/ganged up on/ignored. Yes there are flaws with their deficit plan but they speak alot of sense alot of the time and its completely ignored ALL of the time.

PeakOutput · 15-02-2011 12:11am

martyc1976 wrote: »

what country do you live in? the last time i looked at the map we are on an island...1 island

but not one country so what are you talking about?

p1akuw47h5r3it · 15-02-2011 12:12am

Fingers McGee wrote: »

In fairness though, you have to ask. How come it takes a general election where the parties power is at stake before they come up with these policies about what they are going to do about anything? They have had fourteen years to do something and they didn't, so if you ask me it is a bit rich that they are now coming up with policies about xyz and reforms blah blah....

They can go and fuck themselves, if you ask me. They are the masterminds of our demise and deserve the pounding they are going to get.

I understand what you are saying.

However I will give you an example. MM asked Gerry Adams where he would get the "7 billion euro from as there is only 4.9 in the pension reserve fund". Now, in imo, Gerry doesn't know himself. So instead of admitting this (or making something up) his first response was to moan about how MM had been in government for 14 years etc to avoid answering.

He is right that they have and messed up big time, but he still is using it as an excuse not to answer a tough question which is the point I'm making.

InReality · 15-02-2011 12:12am

Koyasan wrote: »

I was very surprised with how well Gormley did there. It sounds like they have some good ideas, and it sounds like he's perfectly happy not be re-elected so long as the policies he's advocating get implemented.

Thats the green's strength. Sadly they totally misjudged the importance of getting their policies in vis a vis the worst crisis in the history if the state.
they should have got as much in as they could in the first 6 months and then bailed.

PeakOutput · 15-02-2011 12:12am

zig wrote: »

Frustrating watching behaviour towards Adams and SF in general, quite often childish, it feels like they are just pissing in the wind, no matter what they say they are just going to be laughed at/ganged up on/ignored. Yes there are flaws with their deficit plan but they speak alot of sense alot of the time and its completely ignored ALL of the time.

they REALLY don't

Wildlife Actor · 15-02-2011 12:12am

Apres Match again....

DeVore · 15-02-2011 12:13am

I dont want a leader who can talk from the heart (read: emotive popularism). I didnt hear squat from him about the specifics of what they would do.

DeV.

Koyasan · 15-02-2011 12:13am

PeakOutput wrote: »

im dumbfounded anyone thinks anything gormley says is possible not to mind reasonable

Good or bad?
Did you mean to say "impossible" or "or even reasonable"?

I found myself thinking, that's good idea, that's another good idea, but then wondering is he smiling smugly? I know, I should ignore that kind of thing, but still. He seemed to be having a great time.

ReacherCreature · 15-02-2011 12:14am

Shame about Gormley's status in the Green Party, he would be an effective leader in a party with considerable more power I feel.

InReality · 15-02-2011 12:14am

Think Adams was surprised winner.

Kenny did ver very well , had such low expectations but even so he blew martin away.

Big story is how bad martin was and how hard FF will spin that he wasn't !

Sacred_git · 15-02-2011 12:14am

wyndhurst wrote: »

So..."knowing what he has done" (jean mcconville, McCabe, etc, etc, etc) you still think he is a lovely honest fellow speaking from the heart.

never said that mate! i said he genuinely cares and well some of the fcuked up stuff they done backs that up to a point to, the others are just going to fall in line with what the eu tells them, it might be time to rustle some feathers and be the ireland we can be!

Drumpot · 15-02-2011 12:14am

zig wrote: »

Frustrating watching behaviour towards Adams and SF in general, quite often childish, it feels like they are just pissing in the wind, no matter what they say they are just going to be laughed at/ganged up on/ignored. Yes there are flaws with their deficit plan but they speak alot of sense alot of the time and its completely ignored ALL of the time.

The problem with SF is that they dont explain how they are going to fund their economic strategy . .

They do speak moral sense and their policies are the most fair sounding ones, but they are not prudent or based on sound economic principles.

I would vote for them if I thought they werent throwing a hail Mary with regards to how they will fund our country after the pension reserve fund runs out . .

I used to worry about Labours populist economic policies but posts like this concern me that people are being duped by SFs even more extreme populist promises !

Le King · 15-02-2011 12:14am

Gillmore failed again. Kenny time and time again proves he is not a speaker. Martin was ok, held his own. Adams was a bit unrealistic but managed to make a good few points.

The likely Labour-Fine Gael Government is appalling.

1. Gormley
2. Martin
3. Adams
4. Kenny
5. Gillmore

drunkmonkey · 15-02-2011 12:15am

Gormley
Adams
Martin
Gilmore
Kenny

Funny_Bones · 15-02-2011 12:16am

DanDan6592 wrote: »

I understand what you are saying.

However I will give you an example. MM asked Gerry Adams where he would get the "7 billion euro from as there is only 4.9 in the pension reserve fund". Now, in imo, Gerry doesn't know himself. So instead of admitting this (or making something up) his first response was to moan about how MM had been in government for 14 years etc to avoid answering.

He is right that they have and messed up big time, but he still is using it as an excuse not to answer a tough question which is the point I'm making.

This is exactly the problem with all the leaders at the moment, greats ideas but sure we just don't have the money. Not only is Gerry inventing extra money to spend for a year/year and a half, he then has no plan after that..

PeakOutput · 15-02-2011 12:16am

PeakOutput wrote: »

im dumbfounded anyone thinks anything gormley says is possible, nevermind reasonable

that make it clearer?

he is talking crap is what im trying to say

Sacred_git · 15-02-2011 12:16am

DeVore wrote: »

I dont want a leader who can talk from the heart (read: emotive popularism). I didnt hear squat from him about the specifics of what they would do.

DeV.

true but the others are woeful bar maybe Gormley, Kenny - no chance, i played with guys like him at the poker table, his bluffing big time!

Drumpot · 15-02-2011 12:17am

Le King wrote: »

Gillmore failed again. Kenny time and time again proves he is not a speaker. Martin was ok, held his own. Adams was a bit unrealistic but managed to make a good few points.

The likely Labour-Fine Gael Government is appalling.

1. Gormley
2. Martin
3. Adams
4. Kenny
5. Gormley

Gormley came first and last . Are you schizophrenic ?

Only one of you need reply . .:D

wyndhurst · 15-02-2011 12:18am

Sacred_git wrote: »

never said that mate! i said he genuinely cares and well some of the fcuked up stuff they done backs that up to a point to, the others are just going to fall in line with what the eu tells them, it might be time to rustle some feathers and be the ireland we can be!

Without being overly argumentative - it is exactly what you wrote.
But, I take your point on the need to rustle some feathers (& a few kicks in the asre along with it)

Rubik. · 15-02-2011 12:18am

The format meant there was never going be any outright winner or loser, the time limit for answers was too short. A quick hackneyed soundbite or redirecting the question by attacking another party was enough to get anyone out of trouble. The least impressive performer tonight was Micheal Martin.

Jackovarian · 15-02-2011 12:18am

Sick of the media pushing Enda Kenny.
I mean, on the RTE debate show on network 2 right now, the first thing they talked about was does Enda Kenny look like taoiseach material... I mean come on! Thats hardly impartial!

Its not just RTE, its most of the media publications in the country.

Leaders Debate part 2 :)

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