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    #272
    D Trent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭D Trent


    Garda Inspectorate Report published today.
    ''It also noted that Garda reserves were not being utilised, supervised, or directed.''


    http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/1111/658385-garda-inspectorate/


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    #273
    tg123
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭tg123


    D Trent wrote: »
    Garda Inspectorate Report published today.
    ''It also noted that Garda reserves were not being utilised, supervised, or directed.''



    The Report is really comprehensive in regard to the entire organisation but the sections relating to the Reserve are truly ground breaking . The influence of other Police forces can be seen throughout. Will the recommendations be acted upon , one would hope so. If so then it is a game changer . An opportunity for those of us who have been in the Garda Reserve a long time to finally get the opportunity to contribute and really assist our full time colleagues in a way that may change forever the attitude which has dogged the reserve from its inception in 2006. This will make all of our past work worthwhile and help to retain the numbers and really offer those who are interested in joining a solid platform from which to learn , serve and make a difference.


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    #274
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    tg123 wrote: »
    D Trent wrote: »
    Garda Inspectorate Report published today.
    ''It also noted that Garda reserves were not being utilised, supervised, or directed.''



    The Report is really comprehensive in regard to the entire organisation but the sections relating to the Reserve are truly ground breaking . The influence of other Police forces can be seen throughout. Will the recommendations be acted upon , one would hope so. If so then it is a game changer . An opportunity for those of us who have been in the Garda Reserve a long time to finally get the opportunity to contribute and really assist our full time colleagues in a way that may change forever the attitude which has dogged the reserve from its inception in 2006. This will make all of our past work worthwhile and help to retain the numbers and really offer those who are interested in joining a solid platform from which to learn , serve and make a difference.

    Recommendations relating to Garda Reserves are long term classified amongst 200 other recommendations, so don't hold your breath.


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    #275
    3fullback
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭3fullback


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    tg123 wrote: »

    Recommendations relating to Garda Reserves are long term classified amongst 200 other recommendations, so don't hold your breath.

    What were the reserve recommendations ?


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    #276
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    3fullback wrote: »
    Peppa Cig wrote: »

    What were the reserve recommendations ?

    Independent patrol and more laws for Reserve if deemed competent to use them.


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    #277
    gilly0512
    Closed Accounts Posts: 313 ✭✭gilly0512


    TallGlass wrote: »
    3fullback wrote: »

    Independent patrol and more laws for Reserve if deemed competent to use them.

    The Inspectorate in fairness has highlighted pretty much exactly what we have been shouting about for years, the fact that we're pretty much under utilised, insufficient powers, and most importantly of all the fact that we can't patrol on our own. However sadly as we all know, the Gardai like most Public Sector organisations in this country hate change, and most of these recommendations will end up in the bin, and ten years from now if the Reserve is still going, we will still be wondering if we'll ever get fit for purpose powers, or be allowed to patrol on our own with other Reserves.

    See pages 17, 57 and primarily page 142, recommendation 3.15.


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    #278
    gilly0512
    Closed Accounts Posts: 313 ✭✭gilly0512


    Yogi Bear wrote: »
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2014-11-05a.284&s=garda+reserve

    Frances Fitzgerald (Minister, Department of Justice and Equality; Dublin Mid West, Fine Gael)

    I am informed by the Commissioner that the training of all the Garda Reserve in the new powers will be completed shortly.

    Longest training course i have ever heard. Two years and still going...........................

    I must have missed that training, or did that joke of a day down in Templemore constitute our training in new powers??


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    #279
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    Peppa Cig wrote: »

    Recommendations relating to Garda Reserves are long term classified amongst 200 other recommendations, so don't hold your breath.

    Yeah they are, but truth was spoken and the way things currently are was acknowledged - that is a nice step forward in my eyes. Hopefully a positive step forward to progress and movement with members. I know not all are ready, but some certainly are and it would do their commitment-to-date justice if positive movement were to happen soon.


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    #280
    Yogi Bear
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Yogi Bear


    Three Months since the last post!! Any one any news on Powers?


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    #281
    Canyon86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Canyon86


    a dead end there id say! :/


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    #282
    Yogi Bear
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Yogi Bear


    Canyon86 wrote: »
    a dead end there id say! :/

    I agree. Time to hand in the notice id say...


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    #283
    tg123
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭tg123


    Yogi Bear wrote: »
    I agree. Time to hand in the notice id say...

    No chance of me resigning . After all the training and hours I have put in.
    Am in for the long haul................


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    #284
    D Trent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭D Trent


    tg123 wrote: »
    No chance of me resigning . After all the training and hours I have put in.
    Am in for the long haul................

    Just don't expect from it
    All that you have put in


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    #285
    blarney15
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭blarney15


    Are there any reserves left to give these new powers to? There was 10 reserves assigned to my station... 8 resigned including myself.


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    #286
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    blarney15 wrote: »
    Are there any reserves left to give these new powers to? There was 10 reserves assigned to my station... 8 resigned including myself.

    Templemore training of Reserves is winding down, recruitment of fresh reserves is winding down, resignation of existing reserves is increasing. Those that are left - More and more existing reserves not attending for duty. Majority not completing hours (based on 3 stations). Overall contribution of Reserves in terms of man hours now negligible.

    Won't be long now before it is abandoned (officially/unofficially) and the focus will be solely on full time.


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    #287
    gardapa
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭gardapa


    Peppa Cig wrote: »

    Won't be long now before it is abandoned (officially/unofficially) and the focus will be solely on full time.

    Wont be long?? Think that has happened already


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    #288
    Canyon86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Canyon86


    in the latest campaign being a reserve made such minuscule difference you d be better off with someother type of organised community work etc etc

    not some organisation that takes a year to do a background check,
    complete shambles of a set up, and should be scrapped,

    unless you can bring in exp assistance from the likes of the uk (who have successfully implemented PSCO's )its fruitless

    focus should be on FT imo


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    #289
    bluetop
    Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭bluetop


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Templemore training of Reserves is winding down, recruitment of fresh reserves is winding down, resignation of existing reserves is increasing. Those that are left - More and more existing reserves not attending for duty. Majority not completing hours (based on 3 stations). Overall contribution of Reserves in terms of man hours now negligible.

    Won't be long now before it is abandoned (officially/unofficially) and the focus will be solely on full time.

    And who would you say is at fault for this failure of the reserves ?? poor management, no direction, lack of integration .

    They had 1500 reserves all willing to come in be another pair of boots on the beat all for free, what did they do with it "nothing".

    The biggest problem with the AGS is change they are afraid of it instead of embracing it, look at the Uk they system works fantastic another reason an insider got the position of commissioner, leaders were afraid if they brought an outsider in to the system the system that is broken would be fixed.... ohh we cant be having that something getting fixed.

    AGS is a stuck in the time a draconian system that needs a complete overhaul which i personally would say would have happened if they had hired from outside the outdated service thats in situ now.

    So Peppa Cig who is to blame ?? the reserves !!


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    #290
    tg123
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭tg123


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Templemore training of Reserves is winding down, recruitment of fresh reserves is winding down, resignation of existing reserves is increasing. Those that are left - More and more existing reserves not attending for duty. Majority not completing hours (based on 3 stations). Overall contribution of Reserves in terms of man hours now negligible.

    Won't be long now before it is abandoned (officially/unofficially) and the focus will be solely on full time.

    Such negativity ....wonder what is driving it. Is this poster a reserve ??
    His or her information is wrong training of reserves is ongoing at the college 24 reserves moved to the fulltime and will out in may and this was just the first batch. For those of you who are in the process of waiting to be called for the reserves take heart dont listen to all the rubbish that sometimes gets posted here.believe me its well worth the wait


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    #291
    blarney15
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭blarney15


    tg123 wrote: »
    believe me its well worth the wait

    What planet are you on!!


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    #292
    tg123
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭tg123


    blarney15 wrote: »
    What planet are you on!!

    The same planet as you just a
    More positive attitude


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    #293
    RUNNER 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭RUNNER 1


    ''Templemore training of Reserves is winding down, recruitment of fresh reserves is winding down, resignation of existing reserves is increasing''

    This i believe , but there only winding down because of the full time , and the ones leaving are sore about not getting full time.

    "Won't be long now before it is abandoned (officially/unofficially) and the focus will be solely on full time."

    This is bull**** , Ok the GR aint great but it there now there not guna go right will stop it nearly 10 years on. and for all the people that are leaving there are people waiting to take your place , me for one.
    I will say it is very un organised and iv been waiting 2 years now , but i have faith that something good will happen with the GR since its there.


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    #294
    SO7378
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭SO7378


    tg123 wrote:
    The same planet as you just a More positive attitude


    well said, some are more dedicated and intrested than others.


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    #295
    tg123
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭tg123


    SO7378 wrote: »
    well said, some are more dedicated and intrested than others.

    Well said some are very dedicated .posted recently after seeing a picture on facebook about a tallaght reserve catching a burgular while he was on holidays now that is the level of dedication some reserves have


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    #296
    tg123
    Registered Users Posts: 83 ✭✭tg123


    Extract for the 2015 Police Plan
    Fix
    •A new model of policing embracing cultural reform
    •Develop a workforce re-alignment process
    •21stcentury technology supporting a mobile and agile police service
    •Harness and develop our knowledge and skills
    •Implement Inspectorate recommendations *********

    Changes are coming boys and girls , I hope we are all ready for them. I am sure we are.


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    #297
    SO7378
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭SO7378


    Well said some are very dedicated .posted recently after seeing a picture on facebook about a tallaght reserve catching a burgular while he was on holidays now that is the level of dedication some reserves have

    im still waiting on the Reserves and i dont plan on giving up, i work alot with the Gards and they all reckon il do fine, and that its just the waiting game. which it is if you are dedicated enough!


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    #298
    RUNNER 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭RUNNER 1


    right this is my year , positive attitude , :D


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    #299
    blarney15
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭blarney15


    Oh to be young again!


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    #300
    Yogi Bear
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Yogi Bear


    Just a question lads.

    If we were to be granted the powers in the morning, do you think it would solve a lot of things??

    My opinion would be that it would as we would become more useful.


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    #301
    RUNNER 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭RUNNER 1


    I think it would help alot.


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