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**Physics...Before/After**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭Bears and Vodka


    Chuchoter wrote: »
    Q: What is the thermometric property of a 1) thermocouple and 2) a thermistor?

    1) change in emf 2) change in resistance?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 825 ✭✭✭Dwellingdweller


    Chuchoter wrote: »
    I don't think it has to, but I'd have a flick through it because its really easy. I made loads of notes the other day I could send them to you if you'd like?

    That'd actually be class if you could :D ATM I'm just finishing learning off the definitions from here but some proper notes would rock!

    And yeah, my mind was blown when I found out Lenz's Law was an example of Newton's Third Law too. Pretty cool stuff. :D The emf inducing the current, and the back emf opposing the emf that produced it, is actually an example of an action-reaction pair. :) Fascinating like
    subz3r0 wrote: »
    1) change in emf 2) change in resistance?

    Loving the conciseness of that answer :P Definitely gona write that one down.

    Q: What is the photoelectric effect? Give an application of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 J.new


    What way do ye learn the experiments? By doing past papers or just writting them out on flashcards? Really struggling with them.

    Oh and we don't need to use a ruler when drawing diagrams?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭Bears and Vodka


    Q: What is the photoelectric effect? Give an application of it.

    Photoelectric effect is the emission of electrons from the surface of a metal as light of a suitable frequency falls on to it.

    Automatic door sensors are an example of the photoelectric effect.

    :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Liveforrugby


    I think that's it! The way I think of it is that there's actually two waves travelling around the circuit simultaneously, one negative and one positive, the negative current flows into the N-layer so it doesn't pass through and only the positive current flows through. :) Full-wave rectification is when the diodes are arranged so the negative gets squeezed into the positive axis and comes out as 'smoothed' (using a capacitor) on the oscilloscope.

    Q: How is Lenz's Law an example of Newton's Third Law in Electricity?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭BL1993


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    Robot arm all over again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭mathstalk


    For anybody in a hurry, I analysed the Section A's of the past papers a few months back, so here goes…
    Firstly, revise the speed of sound in air experiment, it hasn't yet come up in the 10 years of the course. I'd also recommend going over:
    1. The resistivity of a nichrome wire experiment,
    2. Verification of Joules law (by I^2 is proportional to delta theta),
    3. Specific latent heat of fusion of ice (By melting ice in water in calorimeter),
    4. Finding the value of small g (ball falling from electromagnet through trapdoor),
    5. Proof that frequency is inversely proportional to length in a stretched string (Paper rider+tuning forks+blocks),
    6. Investigation of the conditions of equilibrium for a set of co-plane forces (ruler+weights+Newton metres),
    7. The specific heat capacity of a metallic conductor (metallic conductor and thermometer in oil+heating element+joulemeter),
    8. Finding the period of a pendulum (easy),
    9. Finding the focal length of a converging mirror (guessable really)
    10. Finding the relationship between the voltage/ current in a semiconductor. (For metallic conductor/ bulb/ liquid experiments just switch the diode with something else on your diagram, duh.)
    These are the most likely to come up, so if your fúcked then look over these first. If 3 don't come up on the exam then ask for some rough work paper, wait till' the end of the exam to answer the risky question and as you answer the other questions, if anything pops into your head jot in down onto the rough work paper (I did this when Kavanagh came up in the English. By the last 40 minutes of the exam, I had accumulated a page full of quotes that had randomly popped into my head and was able to answer the question quite well).

    For most of the experiments, you don't need to learn off the graphs, you just have to ask yourself one question before drawing the graph: "What would the slope of this graph give me?" If the slope does not produce anything asked for in the question (I.e. Resistance/ acceleration due to gravity) then draw a graph that does.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭BL1993


    Speed of sound came up in 2006. :L However, I think it is gonna come up aswell


  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    J.new wrote: »
    What way do ye learn the experiments? By doing past papers or just writting them out on flashcards? Really struggling with them.

    Oh and we don't need to use a ruler when drawing diagrams?
    You need to use a ruler any time you draw light rays, otherwise you are suggesting that light doesn't travel in straight lines which would be wrong!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 825 ✭✭✭Dwellingdweller


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    No harm in testing ye on your general physics knowledge either. :D It's good to know how these things interact. :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Liveforrugby


    BL1993 wrote: »
    Speed of sound came up in 2006. :L However, I think it is gonna come up aswell

    Most definitely, people won't do it though


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Liveforrugby


    BL1993 wrote: »
    Robot arm all over again.

    Did you get robot arm?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭BL1993


    Did you get robot arm?
    Lol. No. :L I want to slap the guy who put it up with a robot arm though. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Liveforrugby


    BL1993 wrote: »
    Lol. No. :L I want to slap the guy who put it up with a robot arm though. :)

    My thoughts exactly, you think you still might of gotten the A1?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭BL1993


    My thoughts exactly, you think you still might of gotten the A1?
    Its borderline. Based on the solutions of paper 1 posted. I should have gotten 99% in P1 so if I do get it, I will only get it just. What makes me mad is that i was just about to get the right value for k for the circle question (only had to solve quadratic using -b formula) and thought i was doing it wrong. :s And I mssed up the part a in Q8 by forgetting to subtract 80 from 180 to get beta and messed up the graph at the end by forgetting about the semi circles :S

    Hopefully I'll get it. :S


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Liveforrugby


    BL1993 wrote: »
    Its borderline. Based on the solutions of paper 1 posted. I should have gotten 99% in P1 so if I do get it, I will only get it just. What makes me mad is that i was just about to get the right value for k for the circle question (only had to solve quadratic using -b formula) and thought i was doing it wrong. :s And I mssed up the part a in Q8 by forgetting to subtract 80 from 180 to get beta and messed up the graph at the end by forgetting about the semi circles :S

    Hopefully I'll get it. :S

    Yea I got the 80 for beta, hopefully it's only a blunder... if you got 99 in paper 1 and the circle and bionic arm were the only problems, looks like an A1 to me :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭BL1993


    Yea I got the 80 for beta, hopefully it's only a blunder... if you got 99 in paper 1 and the circle and bionic arm were the only problems, looks like an A1 to me :D
    Well it depends if they like my question 7 answers and how much marks I will accumulate in that Q8. My b and c parts were a disaster. If I would have done that triangle, graph and circle question right, I'd be at ease. :S

    Here's hoping. :s


  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    BL1993 wrote: »
    Well it depends if they like my question 7 answers and how much marks I will accumulate in that Q8. My b and c parts were a disaster. If I would have done that triangle, graph and circle question right, I'd be at ease. :S

    Here's hoping. :s
    This probably isn't the place but we're taking 3+2root2 to be the value for k right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭BL1993


    RedTexan wrote: »
    This probably isn't the place but we're taking 3+2root2 to be the value for k right?
    Yes.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    BL1993 wrote: »
    Yes.
    Yera, I wouldn't be too worried, figures this year people 1 will be the one that will be defining. The former vice principal of my school is the assistant chief examiner and he said that if you wrote anything at all down for any question the likelihood is that you will get 5 marks upwards! And sure hey, there's bigger fish to fry next Monday!


  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭Wanchor


    BL1993 wrote: »
    Yes.

    Did the question specifically ask for an integer/float/surd?


  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    Wanchor wrote: »
    Did the question specifically ask for an integer/float/surd?
    Nope, I give it as 5.828 or whatever


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭BL1993


    RedTexan wrote: »
    Yera, I wouldn't be too worried, figures this year people 1 will be the one that will be defining. The former vice principal of my school is the assistant chief examiner and he said that if you wrote anything at all down for any question the likelihood is that you will get 5 marks upwards! And sure hey, there's bigger fish to fry next Monday!
    Well, hopefully they'll give it to me. I've worked so hard for that bloody A1 that it would kill me a little inside if I didn't get it. :'(


  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭Wanchor


    RedTexan wrote: »
    Nope, I give it as 5.828 or whatever

    I left it as k = x.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭FinnD


    Should I be okay if I left out current electricity and electromagnetism? I tend to stay away from Q5 aswell


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 BlueTexan


    RedTexan wrote: »
    Yera, I wouldn't be too worried, figures this year people 1 will be the one that will be defining. The former vice principal of my school is the assistant chief examiner and he said that if you wrote anything at all down for any question the likelihood is that you will get 5 marks upwards! And sure hey, there's bigger fish to fry next Monday!

    Good man ya.


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Liveforrugby


    FinnD wrote: »
    Should I be okay if I left out current electricity and electromagnetism? I tend to stay away from Q5 aswell

    Yea you should be alright, concentrate on the topics you know well. Besides it's too late to start learning new stuff now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 825 ✭✭✭Dwellingdweller


    Does anyone know if a question has come up on Static Electricity in the LC recently where you would have had to use the F=Q/4*π*ε*d^2 formula instead of E=F/Q?


  • Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Incompetent


    Lads anyone know for the pendulum which goes on which axis?

    One book says T^2 goes on x, one says on y


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Darksider


    Lads anyone know for the pendulum which goes on which axis?

    One book says T^2 goes on x, one says on y

    Since its direct proportionality, either way would work. You would still get a straight line through the origin. The way I like to do it is have the controlled variable (ie the one we manually adjust) on the x axis and the response variable (the one that changes as we change x) on the y axis.

    Just remember, slope = y/x. Just know that in case you need to use slope for any calculations.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    Lads anyone know for the pendulum which goes on which axis?

    One book says T^2 goes on x, one says on y
    It really doesn't matter as long as you know the slope is equal to 2pi/g for T^2 on the y axis and that inverted for it on the x axis


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 825 ✭✭✭Dwellingdweller


    Lads anyone know for the pendulum which goes on which axis?

    One book says T^2 goes on x, one says on y

    Just had a quick look at that myself. It's l on the y axis and T^2 on the x axis, but it's not obvious at first, so I'll type out how I got to grips with it, hopefully it'll help ya understand it too. Those graphs can be confusing.

    So you start with your formula:
    T=(2pi)*(sqrt(l/g))
    Square both sides
    T^2=4(pi^2)*(l/g)
    So now you have an equation in the form y=mx+c. c=0 because the graph goes through the origin, so the equation is just y=mx. You need to switch it around to get g.
    g=4(pi^2)*(l/t^2)
    As you can see l/t^2 is the slope, just multiply 4(pi^2)(slope) to get g. :) Hope that helped!


  • Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Incompetent


    Cheers lads! I get it now :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 592 ✭✭✭fizzyorange


    Hey lads, no chance there are any experiments in physics that are strictly HL?


  • Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭Wanchor


    This made me chuckle while revising:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭ei.sderob


    I've left out aaaaalllll of electricity and capacitance. Basically anything of an electrical nature. As long as the short qs don't have like 3 or 4 electrical questions I should be grand. Hopefully we'll get a nice mechanics question:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Nitsuj


    Hey lads, no chance there are any experiments in physics that are strictly HL?
    would really like to know this as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭cocopopsxx


    I'm contemplating not sitting the physics exam AT ALL. I'm so not prepared and I don't get physics at all at all- got a D last year!! I'm seriously panicking and it'll effect accounting (my fav subject) as well, it did last year. :( bad idea? And my parents will flip!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Wesc.


    cocopopsxx wrote: »
    I'm contemplating not sitting the physics exam AT ALL. I'm so not prepared and I don't get physics at all at all- got a D last year!! I'm seriously panicking and it'll effect accounting (my fav subject) as well, it did last year. :( bad idea? And my parents will flip!

    Just sit it, who knows the paper might suit you! Imagine how pissed you'd be if you looked at the paper realising that you could of done well?
    Besides, you can always leave a bit early.


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭cocopopsxx


    Wesc. wrote: »
    cocopopsxx wrote: »
    I'm contemplating not sitting the physics exam AT ALL. I'm so not prepared and I don't get physics at all at all- got a D last year!! I'm seriously panicking and it'll effect accounting (my fav subject) as well, it did last year. :( bad idea? And my parents will flip!

    Just sit it, who knows the paper might suit you! Imagine how pissed you'd be if you looked at the paper realising that you could of done well?
    Besides, you can always leave a bit early.

    True, but I act don't know anything except sound,light and heat. And may be a bit of mechanics. And I don't want a D on my report :/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭RedTexan


    cocopopsxx wrote: »
    True, but I act don't know anything except sound,light and heat. And may be a bit of mechanics. And I don't want a D on my report :/
    Probably better than a NG?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭mathstalk


    It just struck me that pretty much every famous scientist has an equation named after them, so if a question comes up like, "What contribution did so-and-so make to physics?" and I haven't a clue… "Well, er, he developed the 'so-and-so' equation." Worth a shot?
    cocopopsxx wrote: »
    I'm contemplating not sitting the physics exam AT ALL. I'm so not prepared and I don't get physics at all at all- got a D last year!! I'm seriously panicking and it'll effect accounting (my fav subject) as well, it did last year. frown.gif bad idea? And my parents will flip!

    You'll be grand. The equations are in the tables so just pick them up from the tables and write them down on the paper. That's 3 out of 9 marks already. If you're not sure what equation to use then write 5 or 6 on your paper. Then just sub in numbers for letters and hope for the best. As for the definitions, once again, a lot are actually in the tables, i.e. Coulomb's law, the law of gravitation. If your doing honours then ask for the pass paper, that is, if you're not comfortable on the day. Don't worry if you failed the mocks (so did I), the leaving cert paper tends to be easier. A lot of the paper is applications of physics, "State 2 applications of convex lenses"; these are quite guessable. Even if yo do fail, you're not loosing anything compared to not sitting the paper at all. Just go in and do it. Presumably you have 6 other subject so Physics won't even count. Where's the pressure?


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭cocopopsxx


    Okay, thank you guys. I think I just panicked! So if I know my experiments well, then waves,sound,light,mechanics,heat and modern physics- will I have a Chance of getting at least a C? :/


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭cocopopsxx


    ei.sderob wrote: »
    I've left out aaaaalllll of electricity and capacitance. Basically anything of an electrical nature. As long as the short qs don't have like 3 or 4 electrical questions I should be grand. Hopefully we'll get a nice mechanics question:D

    Oh I'm not the only one!! Do you think that's safe and they won't be nasty and throw electricity questions everywhere this year? Will I get at least a C if I leave out electricity totally?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭ei.sderob


    cocopopsxx wrote: »
    Oh I'm not the only one!! Do you think that's safe and they won't be nasty and throw electricity questions everywhere this year? Will I get at least a C if I leave out electricity totally?

    Haha, leaving out electricity is no big deal man. A LOT of people do it. I'm leaving it all out and still going for an A1 like. Doing App math too though so it's kind of an advantage with question . All I hope is that we get 2 max in the short qs and that question 11 is on something other electricity. Nuclear hopefully:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Nitsuj


    If you look at the papers, there are years where you could get away without doing electricity AND mechanics. Leaving out just one of them will be grand. I'm in the same boat as you, cocopopsxx, so I've decided to do OL. **** it, I just want to get these exams over with at this stage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 592 ✭✭✭fizzyorange


    Nitsuj wrote: »
    would really like to know this as well.

    Just figured out the experiments we don't need at OL. :)

    Mechanics
    -Investigation of the relationship between period and length for a simple pendulum and hence calculation of g

    Light, Sound and Waves
    -Only need one experiment of finding the refractive index of something, so I'm choosing to leave out Finding the refractive index of water
    -Investigation of the variation of the fundamental frequency of a stretched string with tension

    Heat
    -Only need one experiment of measuring specific heat capacity, so I'm leaving out Measurement of the SHC of a metal by electrical method

    And all of the electricity experiments are OL as well, but I don't plan on covering any electricity experiments. :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 30 insua


    If u just prepare the experiments, mechanics, definitions (Q5) and particle physics u can do surprisingly well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭Bears and Vodka


    Nitsuj wrote: »
    If you look at the papers, there are years where you could get away without doing electricity AND mechanics.

    Kind of relying on this now :/ to make things worse I'm kinda bad at optics and not the best at sound. Plenty of work to do tomorrow.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭ganon


    I hate electricity too but it's the experiments i don't get, Joule's law is the only elec. experiment i'm learning, it has a fair chance of coming up and if not i'll just do the other 3


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