NBA Regular Season 14/15

Bateman · 25-03-2015 3:06pm

At what stage do we suspect that the Celtics might be a bit over-rated (despite it being impossible to deny their run of results is impressive) in the betting markets?

There might be a bit of value in betting Miami tonight IMO. Right at tip-off time.

padraig_f · 25-03-2015 3:11pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

For once we agree!

Let's not forget either that Wiggins is on a p!ss poor losing team where he gets a lot more ball than Mirotic, who's way down the list when it comes to getting his shots on a winning team. US journalists were late to the Mirotic party but I don't think anyone in the Bulls organization (or likely Mirotic himself) will give a toss about being ROY or not. He's been a huge acquisition for them and likely only to improve next year again (significantly after getting a full season and a play off series of 2 underneath his belt and adjusting to the US game. Quality player.

Yeah been a great success in his first year. I get the impression he's really enjoying it too. In fairness, it's a good environment to come into with guys like Noah and Pau to take the lead from.

malistheman wrote: »

Mirotic is four years older than Wiggins in fairness. Mirotic is definitely a better player right now but in four years time I'd bet money on Wiggins being one of the best in the league.

Oh yeah, not denying that. And Mirotic has played in a pro-league before. Still an NBA rookie though, and there's still adjustment. He's a good bit better now at the end of the season, than he was at the start.

padraig_f · 25-03-2015 3:17pm

About the best buzzer-beater I've seen this season, Bucks down 2:

http://streamable.com/ksx4

25-03-2015 4:40pm

Bateman wrote: »

At what stage do we suspect that the Celtics might be a bit over-rated (despite it being impossible to deny their run of results is impressive) in the betting markets?

There might be a bit of value in betting Miami tonight IMO. Right at tip-off time.

I wouldn't say overrated at all there doing well for a team that most people thought would be a high lottery team they just don't have the talent to deal with losing isiah and smart or even with them in to deal with the more talent laden teams ala the cavs but to put it up to the likes of golden state and to beat the likes of the hawks with that panel is great going

limerickfc · 25-03-2015 7:48pm

Is whiteside playing tonight? He got 14 stitches in his hand last night I think

Bateman · 26-03-2015 10:27am

Celtics brought back down to earth as I suspected

26-03-2015 10:45am

Bateman wrote: »

Celtics brought back down to earth as I suspected

How so there still the 8 seed and they lost to the 7 seed did someone tell you the celtics where the cavs or something

Bateman · 26-03-2015 1:46pm

The spread was bet up from -4 to -8.5 last night and Miami went off at 7/2 to win the game, I think they're a trend team and I think they are now getting to be overrated...

Having said all that I agree the coach has been a revelation and they look to have a fantastic future in the medium to long-term, and will even cause someone fits in this season's playoffs

Happy to praise them and keep the betting stuff separate

27-03-2015 12:00am

Bateman wrote: »

The spread was bet up from -4 to -8.5 last night and Miami went off at 7/2 to win the game, I think they're a trend team and I think they are now getting to be overrated...

Having said all that I agree the coach has been a revelation and they look to have a fantastic future in the medium to long-term, and will even cause someone fits in this season's playoffs

Happy to praise them and keep the betting stuff separate

i have no idea what those lines mean

Id be surprised if there favourites to beat any playoff team to be honest or an Indiana if paul george comes back when fully healthy they can give most teams a tough game but the best case scenario is probably drawing atlanta in round one and taking them to 7.

ya as you said I'm very high on stephens considering the talent they have now and the fact that they've (arguably) lost there best player 3 separate times this season they are doing a great job but the cavs for example i could see blowing them out in 4 games

Paully D · 29-03-2015 12:03am

What a gesture from Dean Smith. Class act.

Paully D · 29-03-2015 11:32am

Bulls blowout the Knicks, 111-80. Knicks set a franchise record losing their 60th game of the season.

padraig_f · 29-03-2015 1:12pm

Paully D wrote: »

Bulls blowout the Knicks, 111-80. Knicks set a franchise record losing their 60th game of the season.

They're a total embarrassment, rarely you see a team that bad where 1-5 they should not be on an NBA court. The Bulls didn't even play particularly well.

ButtersSuki · 31-03-2015 9:55am

padraig_f wrote: »

They're a total embarrassment, rarely you see a team that bad where 1-5 they should not be on an NBA court. The Bulls didn't even play particularly well.

The Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher experiment is working well isn't it?

31-03-2015 12:45pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher experiment is working well isn't it?

careful now theres always someone will get bad if you badmouth the zen master

padraig_f · 31-03-2015 1:59pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher experiment is working well isn't it?

I think it's more the mistakes of the previous regime & ownership so far. We can judge Phil Jackson as GM more at the end of next year. But yeah the decisions so far don't look great....keeping Melo (think the Bulls dodged a bullet there, would be sick now if we had an injured Melo, while Mirotic was lighting it up for the Knicks), letting go of Chandler. Big off-season coming up though, with a high draft pick and a lot of cap space.

Joey Blue Rodent wrote: »

careful now theres always someone will get bad if you badmouth the zen master

I've no real favouritism to him as GM. All-time great coach, but unproven as GM.

padraig_f · 31-03-2015 2:15pm

Bit from the Jordan biography I found interesting, it's about that Larry Bird steal against the Pistons in the '87 playoffs, when the Pistons were up 1 and just had to inbound the ball to win. Always assumed that Isiah didn't think to call timeout, so found this exchange with the ref interesting:

There was no team focused on Jordan quite like Detroit. The 1987 playoffs had been a watershed of sorts for the Pistons, who had battled for several years to unseat Bird’s Celtics in the playoffs. They finally had what seemed like the edge in Game 5 of the 1987 Eastern Conference finals in Boston Garden with a 1-point lead over the Celtics and scant seconds to go. The Pistons were inbounding the ball along the sideline near their own basket, and Isiah Thomas wanted the ball from referee Jess Kersey. “Don’t you want a time-out?” Kersey asked.

“Just gimme the ****in’ ball!” Thomas shouted over the noise.

So the referee gave Thomas the ball. He passed it in, then Bird stole it and hit streaking Celtics teammate Dennis Johnson for the go-ahead basket. Like that, Boston had a 1-point lead with a second left.

Kersey turned to a crushed Thomas.

“Now do you want a time-out?” the referee asked.

In the aftermath there was no good means to measure the depth of despair for Thomas and his teammates. They had also been deflated by Jordan scoring those 61 points to beat them in the Pontiac Silverdome. Detroit’s coaches knew they would have to come up with a special effort to stop him in 1988. The Pistons were a team bent on breaking through. The Bulls and Jordan were clearly becoming a greater threat in the Central Division. Detroit coach Chuck Daly and his assistants began searching for a means to counter Jordan, and guard Joe Dumars was now at the center of their plans.

ButtersSuki · 31-03-2015 8:28pm

padraig_f wrote: »

I think it's more the mistakes of the previous regime & ownership so far. We can judge Phil Jackson as GM more at the end of next year. But yeah the decisions so far don't look great....keeping Melo (think the Bulls dodged a bullet there, would be sick now if we had an injured Melo, while Mirotic was lighting it up for the Knicks), letting go of Chandler. Big off-season coming up though, with a high draft pick and a lot of cap space.

I've no real favouritism to him as GM. All-time great coach, but unproven as GM.

I'm a huge Jackson fan, I've read all of his books and am old enough to have seen him coach Jordan and the Bulls at their peak.

That said, he's made an awful lot of mistakes with this team personnel-wise between both players and the coaching staff. Hiring one of his favorites Fisher - a guy who hadn't coached a single game at ANY level prior to getting this job - was a bad move. Fisher has been awful. Yes, he has crap players, but this team was in the Play Offs 2 years ago and from that team are really only missing Chandler. That's unforgivable. They've been shocking all year and what's most disappointing is they don't even look like they're trying most of the time. JR Smith looked like a bum and a waster on the Knicks whilst on Cleveland he looks like a solid player again. I could go on. Fisher should get fired, but he won't. I can imagine how much Steve Kerr is thanking his lucky stars he went to Golden State.

NufcNavan · 31-03-2015 9:10pm

Phil Jackson should probably get fired after this season anyways. He won't, but he should. Any way you look at it, he has done a horrible job with the Knicks this year, and their franchise is a train wreck. Carmelo Anthony and a bunch of scrubs like Lou Amundson. And Phil chose Derrick Fisher as his coach, which was also a horrible decision. Phil Jackson is a great coach, horrible GM

31-03-2015 10:59pm

the kicker for me is giving up chandler for nothing. timofey mosgov is worth two first rounders and you can't do better than what you got. i also think they could have gotten a lot more from iman/j.r. phils done a pretty poor job so far

killwill · 01-04-2015 4:02am

Warriors v Clippers on now. I love the intensity that CP3 brings on defence.

For Forks Sake · 01-04-2015 8:40am

killwill wrote: »

Warriors v Clippers on now. I love the intensity that CP3 brings on defence.

And on that note...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHdahxlUPac

buyer95 · 01-04-2015 9:50am

There is no NBA reporter who is closer to LeBron than Brian Windhorst. LeBron talks to him everyday and Windhorst has never missed a game that LeBron has played. Simmons had him on the BS Report Tuesday to talk about the Cavs season, LeBron and Blatts relationship, Love and other things . Definitely worth a listen

buyer95 · 01-04-2015 10:17am

NufcNavan wrote: »

Phil Jackson should probably get fired after this season anyways. He won't, but he should. Any way you look at it, he has done a horrible job with the Knicks this year, and their franchise is a train wreck. Carmelo Anthony and a bunch of scrubs like Lou Amundson. And Phil chose Derrick Fisher as his coach, which was also a horrible decision. Phil Jackson is a great coach, horrible GM

I'll reserve judgement until next season. The fact we're rolling out a bunch of scrubs isn't something you can knock him for right now, the team is trying to lose. How we've got here however I have an issue with. We simply havnt got enough value for the players we traded. I agree he has done a poor job this far, but if the Knicks could get Towns or Okafor in this draft, decent role players in free agents, then I think we would be on the road to recovery.

GoldFour4 · 01-04-2015 10:25am

buyer95 wrote: »

There is no NBA reporter who is closer to LeBron than Brian Windhorst. LeBron talks to him everyday and Windhorst has never missed a game that LeBron has played. Simmons had him on the BS Report Tuesday to talk about the Cavs season, LeBron and Blatts relationship, Love and other things . Definitely worth a listen

Yeah I remember him having Windhorst on before. He's a solid reporter and his relationship with LeBron has led to him being moved about whenever LeBron moves. Must give that a listen later.

Just looked Windhorst up on wiki and turns out he went to the same school as LBJ, explains their relationship to some extent.

padraig_f · 01-04-2015 4:19pm

Bulls-Bucks tonight, possible first-round playoff preview. I'm hoping we get the Bucks, Milwaukee is close to Chicago and always has a great travelling Bulls support. Young team as well, you kinda think they wouldn't put up too much of a fight.

I was watching the Nets the other day, and was wondering why they weren't in the playoff seedings. Still got a bit of talent on the roster. Seem to be coming good lately...8-2 in their last 10. Not saying they're gonna be a contender in the East, but not a first-round opponent you'd like to face. Currently slated to face the Hawks, but could see them overtaking Miami in 7th, and playing Cleveland.

ButtersSuki · 01-04-2015 4:54pm

Could watch Curry all day everyday. Ridiculous skill levels across shooting, dribbling and passing (particularly one handed passes, and off both hands).

ButtersSuki · 01-04-2015 11:19pm

Golden State with a big win in LA last night (just finished watching it). Down 20 early and playing in a near Play Off intensity game it was a huge win psychologically for them against a team they hate, and hates them. As a Boston fan it's kinda sad to see Doc behave like a beeyatch when he doesn't get calls.

Everyone still doubting they can win it all?

BQQ · 02-04-2015 12:16am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Golden State with a big win in LA last night (just finished watching it). Down 20 early and playing in a near Play Off intensity game it was a huge win psychologically for them against a team they hate, and hates them. As a Boston fan it's kinda sad to see Doc behave like a beeyatch when he doesn't get calls.

Everyone still doubting they can win it all?

I'm still a doubter.
They've played great this season, but the playoffs are a different animal.
In amongst the few losses they do have, we see some familiar names - Spurs and Clipps, who knocked them out of the playoffs the last 2 years, and Memphis.
Can't see them avoiding all of those, but if they do, they've still got to beat Lebron.

I hope they prove me wrong, but they're essentially the same team as last year personnel wise. Better coached yes, but is that enough to bridge the gap to the Spurs? I don't think so.

limerickfc · 02-04-2015 1:38am

Mavs up 28 - 25 after 1..kanter with 15 points

astonaidan · 02-04-2015 1:49am

I dont think anyone can rate Phil this season tbh, they had a goal to lose and get money for this off season and well they are succeeding

limerickfc · 02-04-2015 1:58am

Some very iffy calls here the home crowd not liking it

ButtersSuki · 02-04-2015 2:03am

BQQ wrote: »

I'm still a doubter.
They've played great this season, but the playoffs are a different animal.
In amongst the few losses they do have, we see some familiar names - Spurs and Clipps, who knocked them out of the playoffs the last 2 years, and Memphis.
Can't see them avoiding all of those, but if they do, they've still got to beat Lebron.

I hope they prove me wrong, but they're essentially the same team as last year personnel wise. Better coached yes, but is that enough to bridge the gap to the Spurs? I don't think so.

If you're bored enough to go back through my posts you'll see how I answered pretty much all of the questions around the team and the Play Offs. Key is keeping Bogut and Lee healthy, those two in particular do so much of the hard an dirty work on the glass and inside that without them the spacing the team enjoys is gone.

I'd be very surprised if Cleveland come out of the East too. Atlanta are too deep for them.

ButtersSuki · 02-04-2015 2:21am

If you have a few mins…...

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/01/stephen-curry-chris-paul-crossover-plays-video-highlights

Carcharodon · 02-04-2015 5:54am

ButtersSuki wrote: »

If you're bored enough to go back through my posts you'll see how I answered pretty much all of the questions around the team and the Play Offs. Key is keeping Bogut and Lee healthy, those two in particular do so much of the hard an dirty work on the glass and inside that without them the spacing the team enjoys is gone.

I'd be very surprised if Cleveland come out of the East too. Atlanta are too deep for them.

A productive Lee would be fantastic, he is getting his confidence back and is a great man to bring in, especially if you need to make a hard foul.

What struck me about the game, was that the clippers brought all this intensity because it was an important game for them, where as it didn't actually matter for the Warriors but half way through the Warriors kind of decided, we don't want to lose to these guys, didn't panic, it just looked controlled and dare I say, easy

killwill · 02-04-2015 5:58am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

And on that note...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHdahxlUPac

He seems to have recovered fine anyway!
41 points, 17 assists and 4 steals.

me and the biz · 02-04-2015 1:36pm

Boogie had another ridiculous night last night against the Rockets: 24 pts, 21 rebounds, 10 assists, 3 steals, 6 blocks

https://youtu.be/6VEc3B3Srrc

He's made steady improvements every year but he really broke out this year. Looking forward to the next few seasons with him and Rudy

ButtersSuki · 02-04-2015 11:21pm

Carcharodon wrote: »

A productive Lee would be fantastic, he is getting his confidence back and is a great man to bring in, especially if you need to make a hard foul.

What struck me about the game, was that the clippers brought all this intensity because it was an important game for them, where as it didn't actually matter for the Warriors but half way through the Warriors kind of decided, we don't want to lose to these guys, didn't panic, it just looked controlled and dare I say, easy

Yup, totally agree. The score line was very deceptive. From once they drew level there was never any doubt who was going to win....and that's from 20 down.

I genuinely beliweve right now the only thing to stop them this year will be an injury, or Joey Crawford. :rolleyes:

killwill · 03-04-2015 6:20am

What a finish to the Suns @ GSW game.
6.8s on the clock and GSW down by 2 when Curry hits a clutch 3!
Suns get a layup off the inbounds after a timeout only for GSW to reply with 0.4s on the clock!

moneyman · 04-04-2015 10:05am

me and the biz wrote: »

Boogie had another ridiculous night last night against the Rockets: 24 pts, 21 rebounds, 10 assists, 3 steals, 6 blocks

https://youtu.be/6VEc3B3Srrc

He's made steady improvements every year but he really broke out this year. Looking forward to the next few seasons with him and Rudy

Yep and he's just after following that up again last night against AD and the Pelicans with 24/20/13/4. This guy is the best big in the NBA bar none, and yes that includes AD. He's the first player to put up back to back 20/20/10 games since Wilt in 1968.

We need to get him some help. He's extremely loyal to the Kings but that loyalty only last so long. When you're that good and you haven't even sniffed the playoffs yet, leaving starts to look more attractive. If we don't make the playoffs next year then I fear he'll be gone. This is probably the most important off-season in Kings history, we have to get it right.

Paully D · 04-04-2015 11:11am

Bulls beat the Pistons 88-82. Man, Drummond is a beast.

GoldFour4 · 04-04-2015 11:22am

Crazy stat about Tim Duncan

padraig_f · 04-04-2015 12:10pm

Bulls 91 - Bucks 95

Kind of a flukey win, the Bucks play a pretty unstructured game, but sometimes those shots go in, and they did on Wednesday night. Aaron Brooks had a rough night defensively, as the Bucks looked to exploit the size-mismatch of him guarding Michael Carter-Williams. They had some success there, but that won't be as much of an option if Rose is back for the playoffs. The Bucks are still the team I want in the playoffs, and I think the Bulls would beat them about 8 out of 10 times.

Pistons 82 - Bulls 88

A real slog, this one. Dunleavy seems to have gone off the boil of late, and the Bulls aren't getting enough scoring from their starting five. You watch this and you wonder about the team's ceiling for the playoffs, struggling to beat the Pistons at home after a loss to the Bucks. Rose coming back will make a difference, but it doesn't look likely enough to make them a real contender.

Have to say a word about Pau here. While the starting five have struggled with scoring, he's been the most consistent offensive player on the team this season. Played an awesome game last night, 26-10 against a tough defensive matchup with Drummond, and got the offensive-rebound putback that sealed the game.

D2D · 05-04-2015 8:57pm

Rockets just beat OKC 115-112, Westbrook gets his 11th triple double of the season (40 points/13 assists/11 boards), Harden finished with 41. Bulls/Cavs on now.

D2D · 05-04-2015 11:11pm

Cavs beat the Bulls by 5 in a pretty strange game. Pretty much every chuck up shot went in. Cavs extend their home win streak to 18! LeBron got his first triple-double of the season and JR Smith gets another record for most 3's attempted without shooting a 2, going 8-17

JR is also pretty good at H-O-R-S-E https://vine.co/v/Ol2jhmDTn6D

So is Kyrie https://vine.co/v/Ol2QgeiM6M9

Great news in that Paul George returns tonight as Indy face off against the Heat

killwill · 06-04-2015 1:41am

Anyone watching GSW @ SA?
Spurs ball movement and intensity on D hurting GS big time.
Spurs are really hitting Championship form right now.

NufcNavan · 06-04-2015 1:28pm

Was great to see PG back last night.

killwill · 06-04-2015 7:38pm

NufcNavan wrote: »

Was great to see PG back last night.

13 points in 14 minutes too. Very impressive considering how long he was out.

NufcNavan · 06-04-2015 8:44pm

killwill wrote: »

13 points in 14 minutes too. Very impressive considering how long he was out.

He missed two bunnies as well. Could easily have been 17 points on 7/12 shooting.

Bateman · 07-04-2015 10:44am

OKC can probably make the playoffs without needing to beat the Spurs but really what’s the point? It was disappointing to see them draw level with Houston late on and then just produce nothing off the bridle. They’re just too stretched now with all the injuries and if they make the first round I’d find it hard to back them against anyone.

limerickfc · 07-04-2015 4:10pm

Ya I agree..their better off keeping takin their chances with the lotto they might do a Cleveland on it..no way KD could leave if they lucked into the 1# pick

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