Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign

Mountjoy Mugger · 04-05-2012 2:45pm #1

I see the bullies got their way, getting Dervish to pull out of a proposed tour.

A real touch of class. ****.

IM0 · 04-05-2012 2:49pm

sorry, I have been living under a rock the last while, whats the back story here?

juan.kerr · 04-05-2012 2:50pm

Bloody do-gooders.

Napper Hawkins · 04-05-2012 2:52pm

Apparently, we're supposed to care about politics that have f all to do with us.

FatherLen · 04-05-2012 2:54pm

em this may be a stupid question but ..... who?

Morlar · 04-05-2012 2:54pm

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

I see the bullies got their way, getting Dervish to pull out of a proposed tour.

A real touch of class. ****.

A financial and cultural boycott is the ONLY thing that would have an effect on Israel.

They have the UN wrapped up in a 'USA Veto' and they have repeatedly portrayed their contempt for international opinion.

FatherLen wrote: »

em this may be a stupid question but ..... who?

That was my first thought. I think this could be a nice publicity generator for them - agree to go then cave under 'venomous pressure' whatever that is.

super_furry · 04-05-2012 2:55pm

So the Jews were baby faces but have now had a heel turn?

fasttalkerchat · 04-05-2012 2:55pm

TBH I can't see this type of boycott working. Zionists are so blind to and suggestion that what they are doing is wrong. South Africa was a totally different situation.

juan.kerr · 04-05-2012 2:58pm

I wish this group would avoid reference to 'Irish' in their title. It suggests that this group in some way represents the views of the 'Irish'. It doesn't.

lividduck · 04-05-2012 2:59pm

Maybe Dervish will go and play to the Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists instead!

fasttalkerchat · 04-05-2012 3:00pm

lividduck wrote: »

Maybe Dervish will go and play to the Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists instead!

Hamas? You mean the elected government?

hatrickpatrick · 04-05-2012 3:05pm

I don't know how you can call social media attacks "coercion" or whatever. If you're not prepared to deal with a public fallout from your decisions, you shouldn't be in public life, surely?

If this was something like harassment and stalking it's one thing, but I'm getting the impression it was simply a wave of negative comments being posted by people. Surely open comment is part of freedom of speech?
Is there any evidence to suggest that this was an orchestrated campaign of "negativity" by a few people, rather than a lot of comments from individual, different people?

I'm not sure what they're trying to imply was done wrong here. If they're claiming it was one or two people making a bunch of social media accounts and spamming with them, they might want to offer something to back that up...?

preddy · 04-05-2012 3:06pm

Should get the People Before Palestinians involved!

wes · 04-05-2012 3:08pm

I fail to see the issue exactly. People have a right to protest something they don't like. Plenty of artists have ignored such requests in the past btw.

LostCorkGuy · 04-05-2012 3:08pm

meh

DrumSteve · 04-05-2012 3:09pm

Why don't they just tell them to **** off?

fasttalkerchat · 04-05-2012 3:11pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

Why don't they just tell them to **** off?

You should suggest that to Hamas. Might be worth a try. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

fishy fishy · 04-05-2012 3:12pm

wes wrote: »

I fail to see the issue exactly. People have a right to protest something they don't like. Plenty of artists have ignored such requests in the past btw.

is that you fester and ailen.

Zebra3 · 04-05-2012 3:19pm

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

I see the bullies got their way, getting Dervish to pull out of a proposed tour.

A real touch of class. ****.

Yeah, you're right, let's all just turn a blind eye to Israel's occupation and colonialisation of Palestinian land just so we can make a few quid. :rolleyes:

marco_polo · 04-05-2012 3:21pm

Surely if you really didn't like Israel you would be strongly encouraging Dervish to go and play there?

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 3:23pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yeah, you're right, let's all just turn a blind eye to Israel's occupation and colonialisation of Palestinian land just so we can make a few quid. :rolleyes:

Why not? you manage to turn a blind eye to every other country bar the one with Jews in it.

goose2005 · 04-05-2012 3:24pm

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

TBH I can't see this type of boycott working. Zionists are so blind to and suggestion that what they are doing is wrong. South Africa was a totally different situation.

Apartheid collapsed due to internal societal pressures, it had nothing to do with boycotts.

Morlar wrote: »

A financial and cultural boycott is the ONLY thing that would have an effect on Israel.

Why would it have any effect?

Zebra3 · 04-05-2012 3:36pm

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Why not? you manage to turn a blind eye to every other country bar the one with Jews in it.

Really? Do I?

Can you back up that retarded accusation? :rolleyes:

biko · 04-05-2012 3:38pm

Cold, wes. Please leave Politics grudges outside AH. I removed your posts referring to a Politics thread.
Back OT.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-05-2012 3:40pm

FatherLen wrote: »

em this may be a stupid question but ..... who?

Trad band who embarrassed the country in 07 by finishing last in the Eurovision Song Contest.

DrumSteve · 04-05-2012 3:41pm

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

You should suggest that to Hamas. Might be worth a try. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ugh leave the rolleys outta it. It immediately discredits any response anyone makes on this forum.

If these lads want to do a few gigs in Isreal who gives a ****. It's not like they are starting another crusade.

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 3:42pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Really? Do I?

Can you back up that retarded accusation? :rolleyes:

When are the Irish flotillas setting sail for Syria, you little putz?

Does the frequent murder of lawyers, journalists and anti-Putin activists in Russia stir the 'humanitarian' Irish into boycotts?

Of course not. You and your tribe of Nazi hosts and pub bombers are only interested in that tiny little country which coincidentally has Jews in it. You know, the same people the rancid Catholic church spent centuries demonising and persecuting.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 04-05-2012 3:46pm

Palestine is only been used as an excuse here. The real reason they canceled is because the promoter couldn't sell enough tickets to justify putting on this muck.

Crooked Jack · 04-05-2012 3:48pm

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Why not? you manage to turn a blind eye to every other country bar the one with Jews in it.

what? Are there no Jews in any other countries? Somebody better tell Alan Shatter!

Good on them. Israel should be boycotted and alienated in every walk of life until they cease their shameful activities in Palestine.

humanji · 04-05-2012 4:01pm

Coldm Gds, take a day off for racism.

DonQuay1 · 05-05-2012 1:22pm

IM0 wrote: »

sorry, I have been living under a rock the last while, whats the back story here?

Why don't you follow the link .... or use Google? Do you need to be spoon fed??

MaxSteele · 05-05-2012 1:39pm

Christ .... these attention-seeking twats will even abuse unpopular bands via twitter for the sake of an imaginary state ??
They should be told to get to f***. Irish people have a lot more to worry about, rather than harp on about some middle eastern backwater, which isn't even recognized internationally.

Dudess · 05-05-2012 1:45pm

DonQuay1 wrote: »

IM0 wrote: »

sorry, I have been living under a rock the last while, whats the back story here?

Why don't you follow the link .... or use Google? Do you need to be spoon fed??

Starting a thread with "So they bla bla..." without a link in an "Everyone will know what I'm talking about" way is attention-seeking and lazy. Doubt the OP REALLY thinks everyone knows what they're talking about.

Dudess · 05-05-2012 1:56pm

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Zebra3 wrote: »

Really? Do I?

Can you back up that retarded accusation? :rolleyes:

When are the Irish flotillas setting sail for Syria, you little putz?

Does the frequent murder of lawyers, journalists and anti-Putin activists in Russia stir the 'humanitarian' Irish into boycotts?

Of course not. You and your tribe of Nazi hosts and pub bombers are only interested in that tiny little country which coincidentally has Jews in it. You know, the same people the rancid Catholic church spent centuries demonising and persecuting.

Oh it's you again. Yes, British army and loyalist fanatics - bastions of crushing anti semitism before it became the in thing (approximately September 2001) for the fairly far right to "love" Jews.

token101 · 05-05-2012 2:02pm

wes wrote: »

I fail to see the issue exactly. People have a right to protest something they don't like. Plenty of artists have ignored such requests in the past btw.

They didn't cancel because they wanted to. They were pretty much forced to by all the abuse. What business is it of theirs what artists do? They were just foolish to pander to these f***ing idiots. No irony at all in protesting against a nation bullying another supposed nation by bulllying people.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Yeah, you're right, let's all just turn a blind eye to Israel's occupation and colonialisation of Palestinian land just so we can make a few quid. :rolleyes:

And by cancelling a concert for ordinary Israelis you'll achieve that is it? Yeah I'm sure Nentanyahu is rushing to the negotiating table because Devish aren't coming :pac: What the f*** has a traditional Irish concert have to with politics? Or any concert for that matter? What about the US abuses everywhere? Russia? China? Where else should they not go to make a living in order not to risk these f***wits acting like w*nkers? Are we imposing the same standards to the engineers and various others who make a living out of travelling to disputed areas to work?

shampon · 05-05-2012 2:06pm

:rolleyes:

Pinkos read.

token101 · 05-05-2012 2:12pm

shampon wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Pinkos read.

But sure we couldn't boycott all them, that'd actually affect us adversely. Much like the people in the Shell protests will probably fill up at a Shell station to get to their protests aswell.

laoch na mona · 05-05-2012 2:15pm

surely Palestine solidarity is a good thing

Richard Hillman · 05-05-2012 2:18pm

These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice. Most of them belong to socialist and IRA supporting groups

218 Irish artists have pledged not to perform in the country, including Damien Dempsey, Andy Irvine and Donal Lunny.

Who? :pac:

wes · 05-05-2012 2:19pm

token101 wrote: »

They didn't cancel because they wanted to.

Plenty of bands of chosen to ignore the BDS campaign against Israel. They could have done the same if they wanted to, and taken the negative publicity.

token101 wrote: »

They were pretty much forced to by all the abuse. What business is it of theirs what artists do?

People have a right to protest if they so choose. The band could have made a choice to ignore the protest if they wanted. Many others have done so in the past.

token101 wrote: »

They were just foolish to pander to these f***ing idiots. No irony at all in protesting against a nation bullying another supposed nation by bulllying people.

I fail to see any bullying at all. Also, a social network campaign is hardly comparably to what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, what with the ongoing ethnic cleansing, colonizations, house demolitions etc. I think trying to compare a few tweets etc to that, is quite frankly rather ridiculous.

People protested, and the band decided the negative publicity was not worth it. This sort of tactic is hardly unique to Palestinian solidarity or anything and is used against not only bands, but against companies etc by many various groups.

Also, "supposed nation", the Palestinians are as much a nation of people as anyone else, and its rather nasty to deny them even that much.

Nodin · 05-05-2012 2:31pm

token101 wrote: »

They didn't cancel because they wanted to. They were pretty much forced to by all ...............reas to work?

So we should never have had a boycott of Apartheid SA, and pretend Chinas normal then....

Richardhillman wrote:

These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice.

Well, the ones that support the occupation and colonisation are.

O....wait....

laoch na mona · 05-05-2012 2:33pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

These people are anti-democracy and anti freedom of choice. Most of them belong to socialist and IRA supporting groups

explain how they are anti democracy and the Israeli occupation of Palestine isn't

Nodin · 05-05-2012 2:34pm

Mountjoy Mugger wrote: »

I see the bullies got their way, getting Dervish to pull out of a proposed tour.

A real touch of class. ****.

If the IPSC are "bullies" because of that, how would you describe the IDF after 40 years of this?

http://www.btselem.org/topic/settlements

http://www.btselem.org/topic/administrative_detention

token101 · 05-05-2012 3:02pm

Nodin wrote: »

So we should never have had a boycott of Apartheid SA, and pretend Chinas normal then....
....

Boycotts should be chosen by the parties involved. If you believe strongly enough, go ahead boycott away. However, forcing someone into a boycott is harrassment and intimidation. That's what happened here. Venom was mentioned by them in their statement. That's more than a protest.

We do pretend China is normal! We've accepted their president in waiting and accepted sh*tloads of investment. The head of the Palestine Solidarity society in Cork is a leading professor in computer science in UCC. If UCC were to get a major contract from the Chinese or were asked to link up with China for a form of research, which isn't unlikely considering the investment here, would he refuse it or at least resign in protest? Because if he doesn't he's a total hypocrite. Will all these 'protesters' boycott all Chinese made goods? Or is that not trendy enough? You're either committed or you're not.

Nodin wrote: »

Well, the ones that support the occupation and colonisation are.

O....wait....

Yeah these people are no better than the IDF. Will they be advocating the boycott of all the products listed here?

wes · 05-05-2012 3:07pm

token101 wrote: »

Yeah these people are no better than the IDF. Will they be advocating the boycott of all the products listed here?

Don't be silly. A boycott is a tactic, not a way of life. It will be impossible to boycott everything in this day and age, where parts for something can come from all over the world. The simple fact is that there really is no way to completely boycott any country.

token101 · 05-05-2012 3:08pm

Nodin wrote: »

If the IPSC are "bullies" because of that, how would you describe the IDF after 40 years of this?

http://www.btselem.org/topic/settlements

http://www.btselem.org/topic/administrative_detention

But they weren't playing for the IDF forces FFS!

token101 · 05-05-2012 3:10pm

wes wrote: »

Don't be silly. A boycott is a tactic, not a way of life. It will be impossible to boycott everything in this day and age, where parts for something can come from all over the world. The simple fact is that there really is no way to completely boycott any country.

A boycott when it suits so. Hypocrisy it is then.

Nodin · 05-05-2012 3:15pm

token101 wrote: »

Boycotts should be chosen by the parties involved. If you believe strongly enough, go ahead boycott away. However, forcing someone into a boycott is harrassment and intimidation. That's what happened here. Venom was mentioned by them in their statement. That's more than a protest.

Well sanctions are a form of enforced boycott, and thats what was eventually deployed against Apartheid SA. Are you against sanctions as well?

Do you believe that we should ignore what goes on in the occupied areas?

token101 wrote: »

We do pretend China is normal! We've accepted their president in waiting and accepted sh*tloads of investment.

The state does.

token101 wrote: »

The head of the Palestine Solidarity society in Cork is a leading professor in computer science in UCC. If UCC were to get a major contract from the Chinese or were asked to link up with China for a form of research, which isn't unlikely considering the investment here, would he refuse it or at least resign in protest?

Wildly speculating on the actions of a specific individual of whom you've no personal knowledge isn't really a sound basis for any case.

token101 wrote: »

Because if he doesn't he's a total hypocrite. Will all these 'protesters' boycott all Chinese made goods? Or is that not trendy enough? You're either committed or you're not.

So by your failure to comment on the continuing abuse of the West Papuan people by the Indonesian governments forces, I can take it that you're a "total hypocrite" and a tacit support of its policy. Stunning. Later I'll search for your posts for mention of the Nazi regime. So far by your logic, I'm not hopeful.

token101 wrote: »

Yeah these people are no better than the IDF. Will they be advocating the boycott of all the products listed here?

Just as a matter of interest - do you support Israels attempts to annex the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem etc?

wes · 05-05-2012 3:16pm

token101 wrote: »

A boycott when it suits so. Hypocrisy it is then.

Hardly. Again, boycott is tactic, and nothing more. To pretend that it is in and off itself is the be all and end all of things is simple absurd. The reaction to even a limited boycott, shows that this sort of thing can have an effect.

Even a country like Iran isn't completely sanctioned by the US or the EU. By your logic nothing less than a completely and total sanctioning of everything Iranian would be hypocrisy. "Hypocrisy" is only thrown out uniquely by apologists for Israel, and they oddly enough you don't hear about the "hypocrisy" in regards to the likes of the US and EU in regards to Iran and other countries, they choose to sanction.

Now the reason, the US or EU etc don't sanction everything, is because it s a tactic. If you start by sanctioning everything, then they have no where to go, if things don't work out. So they sanction some things, and then if things deteriorate, they can add more sanctions. The same goes for boycotts, which again is a tactic that various groups can use.

Nodin · 05-05-2012 3:27pm

....wouldn't the world (and certainly this country) perhaps be a better place if people used the energy and emotion they harbour against people who campaign on an issue, to campaign on an issue themselves?

token101 · 05-05-2012 3:40pm

Nodin wrote: »

Well sanctions are a form of enforced boycott, and thats what was eventually deployed against Apartheid SA. Are you against sanctions as well?

Do you believe that we should ignore what goes on in the occupied areas?

We already ignore it when it suits. If they really cared they'd boycott everything to do with Israel. I just despise these f***wits masquerading as protesters when all they really are is bullies making life difficult for others by spewing venomous rubbish on SN sites. I wonder how many of them would climb aboard the flotillas?

Nodin wrote: »

The state does.

Where was the computer/phone made? At a guess I'd say Chinese labour had some input. So you're propping them up by spending your money on these goods. Why don't you or these people stop in protest? Because it'd make life more difficult, that's why! So these people choose to boycott when it suits, or more accurately when it has no real impact upon them. That's hypocrisy and it's laughable.

Nodin wrote: »

Wildly speculating on the actions of a specific individual of whom you've no personal knowledge isn't really a sound basis for any case.

I do have personal knowledge as it happens

But that's irrelevant really, the point is that there's a massive hypocrisy there.

Nodin wrote: »

So by your failure to comment on the continuing abuse of the West Papuan people by the Indonesian governments forces, I can take it that you're a "total hypocrite" and a tacit support of its policy. Stunning. Later I'll search for your posts for mention of the Nazi regime. So far by your logic, I'm not hopeful.

No but I'm part of a society that gives its tacit support by failing to intervene in a meaningful way.

Nodin wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest - do you support Israels attempts to annex the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem etc?

It's not my fight, so I don't particularly care if I'm honest. The world has already given it's support to Israel by failing to back the Palestinians in any meaningful way. A cultural boycott is meaningless.

Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign

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