Galway motorists really grinding my gears

dastardly00 · 07-08-2015 1:32pm

I do believe you are correct Joe!

Iwannahurl · 07-08-2015 1:34pm

I think we're going to have to call J o e from now on...

?Cee?view · 07-08-2015 1:42pm

Now just to complicate things further...

I checked this morning. Car Driving (B) tests take this roundabout on one of the test routes. They come up the S. Quirke road and across to Threadneedle direction and candidates are expected and required by the RSA examiners to take the left lane.

If nothing else, this discussion shows how haphazard sign and road design is in Galway.

joeKel73 · 07-08-2015 2:41pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Except in this case it's on an approach lane to a roundabout, where there are different expectations.

I only showed that example as it had the M 130L road marking displayed. That marking is relevant anywhere at "the end of a bus lane" "where the nearside lane is restricted to left turning traffic".

Sconsey · 07-08-2015 3:29pm

I think Joe has it right too (though I've been using that junction wrong for as long as it's been there), based on the road markings the left lane is left turn only, I would guess that the council used the wrong road marking myself but it is what it is, I'll start using the right hand lane for straight ahead at that roundabout.

I would have expected it to be a M130 road marking, like this one out by the GMIT.

Iwannahurl · 07-08-2015 4:01pm

?Cee?view wrote: »

Now just to complicate things further...

I checked this morning. Car Driving (B) tests take this roundabout on one of the test routes. They come up the S. Quirke road and across to Threadneedle direction and candidates are expected and required by the RSA examiners to take the left lane.

If nothing else, this discussion shows how haphazard sign and road design is in Galway.

It doesn't do a lot for my already shaky confidence in ADI training standards either.

J o e wrote: »

I only showed that example as it had the M 130L road marking displayed. That marking is relevant anywhere at "the end of a bus lane" "where the nearside lane is restricted to left turning traffic".

My point was that at a left turn such as the one illustrated there is no ambiguity because there is only one way to do it. Roundabouts are more complicated (there being only one rule in the statute book), hence the recurring arguments. Just try posting this in Motors!

?Cee?view · 07-08-2015 4:07pm

Iwannahurl wrote: »

It doesn't do a lot for my already shaky confidence in ADI training standards either.

It's worse. This is the examiners' requirements, not the ADIs' interpretation!

bobbyss · 08-08-2015 8:08am

What i find difficult about this roundabout is how tight it is after the first exit. Is it possible for two vehicles to exit that roundabout at the same time side by side , one in left lane going towards T Hill and the other turning right to Kingston? I have never done it and I would always give way. Otherwise cars will be colliding.

Iwannahurl · 08-08-2015 8:42am

Except, all thanks to sign M130L, only vehicles turning into Cuan Glas from the SQR will be in the left-hand lane.

Road users coming from SQR and who are heading towards Salthill, Carraig Ard and the WDR will all be in the right-hand lane.

Those coming from the WDR and heading to Salthill and Carraig Ard will also be using the right-hand (inner) lane.

Nobody will ever obstruct a Yellow Box. Everybody will be signalling correctly. Public transport will not be held up. Pedestrians and cyclists, including children on their way to school, will be able to traverse the junction safely and conveniently.

I have a dream.

joeKel73 · 08-08-2015 8:53am

bobbyss wrote: »

What i find difficult about this roundabout is how tight it is after the first exit. Is it possible for two vehicles to exit that roundabout at the same time side by side , one in left lane going towards T Hill and the other turning right to Kingston? I have never done it and I would always give way. Otherwise cars will be colliding.

No it's only one lane until half-way over that road.

joeKel73 · 08-08-2015 9:22am

Another junction that causes a lot of confusion...

Suppose you're coming from Parkmore / Galway Technology Park and you want to get to Oranmore, Dublin Motorway or Old Monivea Rd / Dunnes.

As you approach the T-Junction the road splits into 2 lanes, one for left and one for right. You want to go right so take the right lane...

You continue into the traffic and your lane selection is reinforced again...

Now you're almost at the junction and suddenly the left lane is also for turning right. And since you're taking a left or straight at the next junction you're now in the wrong lane...

Even the late sign is misleading as it shows both lanes leading to the N6 while the left lane is the correct lane for the N6 and the right lane will bring you in the dual carriageway towards the Tuam Road.

Bing_IRL · 08-08-2015 11:11am

J o e wrote: »

Another junction that causes a lot of confusion...

Suppose you're coming from Parkmore / Galway Technology Park and you want to get to Oranmore, Dublin Motorway or Old Monivea Rd / Dunnes.

As you approach the T-Junction the road splits into 2 lanes, one for left and one for right. You want to go right so take the right lane...

You continue into the traffic and your lane selection is reinforced again...

Now you're almost at the junction and suddenly the left lane is also for turning right. And since you're taking a left or straight at the next junction you're now in the wrong lane...

Even the late sign is misleading as it shows both lanes leading to the N6 while the left lane is the correct lane for the N6 and the right lane will bring you in the dual carriageway towards the Tuam Road.

This one really drives me mad. You get all the parkmore traffic that know the story taking the lane to the right and then switching across to go left at Briarhill.

dastardly00 · 08-08-2015 12:15pm

J o e wrote: »

Another junction that causes a lot of confusion...

A complete cluster-fúck of a junction.

There is a real need for road signage in advance in order to tell you what lanes you need to be in for both that junction and the Briarhill junction.

alias no.9 · 08-08-2015 6:08pm

Bing_IRL wrote: »

This one really drives me mad. You get all the parkmore traffic that know the story taking the lane to the right and then switching across to go left at Briarhill.

People should be choosing lanes such that they don't need a further lane change before the roundabout. Most traffic using the road is habitual, they know the story but there's no shortage of assholes.

dastardly00 · 10-08-2015 11:48am

alias no.9 wrote: »

People should be choosing lanes such that they don't need a further lane change before the roundabout. Most traffic using the road is habitual, they know the story but there's no shortage of assholes.

What roundabout? Do you mean the traffic lights (at the Briarhill junction)?

yaledo · 12-08-2015 10:09am

dastardly00 wrote: »

A complete cluster-fúck of a junction.

Just to add to the cluster, I was cycling from the airport, to turn right at that junction (towards Medtronic). Seems like the traffic lights there only trigger if there's a car waiting. After 1.5 cycles of the sequence, I just gave up & cycled through on red.

snubbleste · 12-08-2015 10:26am

yaledo wrote: »

Just to add to the cluster, I was cycling from the airport, to turn right at that junction (towards Medtronic). Seems like the traffic lights there only trigger if there's a car waiting. After 1.5 cycles of the sequence, I just gave up & cycled through on red.

Yeah, it's an issue all across town & the country

joeKel73 · 12-08-2015 12:49pm

yaledo wrote: »

Just to add to the cluster, I was cycling from the airport, to turn right at that junction (towards Medtronic). Seems like the traffic lights there only trigger if there's a car waiting. After 1.5 cycles of the sequence, I just gave up & cycled through on red.

I've been caught here on the bike a good few times in the evening as there's very little traffic going up to Parkmore after 6pm. Emailed the council about it before but got no reply.

snubbleste · 15-02-2016 1:25pm

Traffic lights at QB/NewcastleRd junction will be out of action all week.
Much fun.

ronnie3585 · 15-02-2016 3:18pm

snubbleste wrote: »

Traffic lights at QB/NewcastleRd junction will be out of action all week.
Much fun.

Fooking nightmare this morning. Not looking forward to a week of it with with the Novena thrown in for good measure:(

realdanbreen · 15-02-2016 3:20pm

The bottom line is the worst car drivers bar none come from Tipperary. If you see a TN,TS, or T Reg keep well back,they could do anything!

Bobeagleburger · 15-02-2016 7:24pm

snubbleste wrote: »

Traffic lights at QB/NewcastleRd junction will be out of action all week.
Much fun.

Why all week?

Storm 10 · 15-02-2016 7:51pm

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Why all week?

Someone crashed into the control box and flattened it, no replacement box it has to be ordered in from overseas so it's a mess on the bridge, could they not put a Guard there at peak times or is that too much to ask

Diabhal Beag · 15-02-2016 8:12pm

Haven't seen traffic that bad since that saint and his stupid bones were being paraded around.

ronnie3585 · 15-02-2016 8:28pm

Chronic this evening. Took me about an hour to go three miles:(

A guard or two at the Newcastle side of the bridge would be very helpful during the rush hours - but no sign of them today unfortunately.

Zzippy · 15-02-2016 10:59pm

Have they not heard of temporary lights? They can put temporary lights at roadworks whenever they need to, but they can't do it here because they need to order a box in from abroad??? :rolleyes:

dastardly00 · 15-02-2016 11:09pm

I left work in Parkmore at 6.30pm this evening. I went home to Knocknacarra via Briarhill junction, N6 dual carriageway, Monivea Rd., Wellpark Rd., Lough Atalia Rd., the Docks, Father Griffin Rd. and Salthill. I got home at 7.20pm.

My girlfriend left the same industrial estate at 5.45pm. She came home via the Tuam Rd., Bothar na dTreabh, Dyke Rd., Woodquay, Nun's Island, Father Griffin Rd. and Salthill. She got home at 7.30pm.

Madness! :eek:

snubbleste · 16-02-2016 10:36am

dastardly00 wrote: »

I left work in Parkmore at 6.30pm this evening. I went home to Knocknacarra via Briarhill junction, N6 dual carriageway, Monivea Rd., Wellpark Rd., Lough Atalia Rd., the Docks, Father Griffin Rd. and Salthill. I got home at 7.20pm.

My girlfriend left the same industrial estate at 5.45pm. She came home via the Tuam Rd., Bothar na dTreabh, Dyke Rd., Woodquay, Nun's Island, Father Griffin Rd. and Salthill. She got home at 7.30pm.

Madness! :eek:

That's a bit of an indirect route on a bicycle. Did you stop for a few beverages along the way?

Webbs · 16-02-2016 12:24pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

I left work in Parkmore at 6.30pm this evening. I went home to Knocknacarra via Briarhill junction, N6 dual carriageway, Monivea Rd., Wellpark Rd., Lough Atalia Rd., the Docks, Father Griffin Rd. and Salthill. I got home at 7.20pm.

My girlfriend left the same industrial estate at 5.45pm. She came home via the Tuam Rd., Bothar na dTreabh, Dyke Rd., Woodquay, Nun's Island, Father Griffin Rd. and Salthill. She got home at 7.30pm.

Madness! :eek:

As you both work in teh same place maybe she could chill out, have a coffee and then you both come home in the same car, she would be home earlier and there would be one less car on the road as well

dastardly00 · 16-02-2016 1:27pm

snubbleste wrote: »

That's a bit of an indirect route on a bicycle. Did you stop for a few beverages along the way?

Bicycle? We both drive.

dastardly00 · 16-02-2016 1:33pm

Webbs wrote: »

As you both work in teh same place maybe she could chill out, have a coffee and then you both come home in the same car, she would be home earlier and there would be one less car on the road as well

We work in the same industrial estate, not in the same workplace

We start and finish work at different, varying times, and we both don't always go home straight away. Hence, we don't car pool

Mrs OBumble · 16-02-2016 2:55pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

We work in the same industrial estate, not in the same workplace We start and finish work at different, varying times, and we both don't always go home straight away. Hence, we don't car pool

I'm sorry, but you can either run two cars from your house to the same industrial estate each day, or you can bitch about traffic.

But not both.

Madness, indeed.

biko · 16-02-2016 3:09pm

Take a deep breath everyone, thanks

dastardly00 · 16-02-2016 3:28pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I'm sorry, but you can either run two cars from your house to the same industrial estate each day, or you can bitch about traffic.

But not both.

Madness, indeed.

Eh..... Okay then.

Whereisgalway · 16-02-2016 4:35pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I'm sorry, but you can either run two cars from your house to the same industrial estate each day, or you can bitch about traffic.

But not both.

Madness, indeed.

Why can't they do both?
I think they can and should

Your Face · 16-02-2016 4:36pm

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Haven't seen traffic that bad since that saint and his stupid bones were being paraded around.

Edgy

Hoki · 18-02-2016 10:40pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I'm sorry, but you can either run two cars from your house to the same industrial estate each day, or you can bitch about traffic.

But not both.

Madness, indeed.

What a contrary post. He already said they start and finish at different times. Maybe you are down with going into work an hour early and then waiting around for another hour in the evening but I'd say the majority of people would want to get to in and out of work as quick as possible.

galwaycyclist · 18-02-2016 11:31pm

Hoki wrote: »

What a contrary post. He already said they start and finish at different times. Maybe you are down with going into work an hour early and then waiting around for another hour in the evening but I'd say the majority of people would want to get to in and out of work as quick as possible.

Then to paraphrase Mrs. O'Bumble

You can have everyone in their own car

or you can have people getting to work (or school) in a reasonable time

but not both

J.pilkington · 19-02-2016 2:41am

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Then to paraphrase Mrs. O'Bumble

You can have everyone in their own car

or you can have people getting to work (or school) in a reasonable time

but not both

What an odd post.

By turning it into a general statement about traffic (adding school) you are coming to a false conclusion.

If only life's problems were as simple to solve as you think

Panthro · 19-02-2016 8:26am

Thread needs to be turned off and then on again.
Thankfully I get to miss most of the traffic, I drive against the stream of cars on my way home from night shifts but sure whatcanyado!

Mrs OBumble · 19-02-2016 10:43am

Hoki wrote: »

What a contrary post. He already said they start and finish at different times. Maybe you are down with going into work an hour early and then waiting around for another hour in the evening but I'd say the majority of people would want to get to in and out of work as quick as possible.

One would be going in early, and the other waiting afterwards - or maybe they could use the time to go to the gym, shop, whatever. A slight inconvenience for each. Or one could use public transport for one leg of the journey.

No one gets anywhere as quick as possible with the current levels of car use.

youngrun · 19-02-2016 11:02am

Too many cars into too small an area/road network in Galway..less cars more buses and bikes /more roads ?
Will the gardai ever enforce constant breaking of red lights on QCB esp newcastle end, every day i see this

J.pilkington · 19-02-2016 1:02pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

One would be going in early, and the other waiting afterwards - or maybe they could use the time to go to the gym, shop, whatever. A slight inconvenience for each. Or one could use public transport for one leg of the journey.

No one gets anywhere as quick as possible with the current levels of car use.

- Maybe they have kids to collect
- Maybe they have work for doing at home in the evening (dial into us calls)
- Maybe they have chores for doing

Maybe maybe maybe.......

As I have said before some posters on here seem to think that only they have lives and everyone else car journeys are nothing but a meaningless jolly and they should get off the road

19-02-2016 1:15pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

One would be going in early, and the other waiting afterwards - or maybe they could use the time to go to the gym, shop, whatever. A slight inconvenience for each. Or one could use public transport for one leg of the journey.

No one gets anywhere as quick as possible with the current levels of car use.

Hence why we need the bypass, would make this sort of journey so much more straightforward an fast.

I hate these suggestions of, "oh why not inconvenience yourself (every single bloody day" by leaving earlier and getting home later".

People are entitled to leave for work and leave work when they want not be hanging around or having to get up earlier to use one car. Also there are multiple other reasons why people need more than one car with them, they may go to different places after work or need to take a different route home, they may go places at lunch, they might need the flexibility of being able to leave at different times etc etc.

The aim should be to get traffic moving better so people can make their car commutes quicker and easier not to cause massive inconvenience by making them car share or use public transport.

Redhairedguy · 19-02-2016 1:17pm

J.pilkington wrote: »

- Maybe they have kids to collect
- Maybe they have work for doing at home in the evening (dial into us calls)
- Maybe they have chores for doing

Maybe maybe maybe.......

As I have said before some posters on here seem to think that only they have lives and everyone else car journeys are nothing but a meaningless jolly and they should get off the road

Makes me think of this

The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows wrote:

Sonder
n. the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your own—populated with their own ambitions, friends, routines, worries and inherited craziness—an epic story that continues invisibly around you like an anthill sprawling deep underground, with elaborate passageways to thousands of other lives that you’ll never know existed, in which you might appear only once, as an extra sipping coffee in the background, as a blur of traffic passing on the highway, as a lighted window at dusk.

Panthro · 19-02-2016 1:18pm

I've an idea...

Discodog · 20-02-2016 9:24pm

So you pay hundreds in road tax, thousands in insurance & fuel taxes, vat, vrt etc & you aren't supposed to drive your car :mad:

The Novena would of been the perfect opportunity for a park & ride especially as so many of the older drivers from out of town are terrified of traffic. Anyone who's been to Oxford can see how well it can work. There are plenty of sites around Knocknara, Headford Road, Ballybrit etc.

The Oxford system is fast, cheap & ultra reliable. You never wait more than 10 mins & the bus drops you in the main shopping street.

Some of us have to drive & I can see a time when we will have to pay for permits to drive in the city like the London congestion charge.

The strange one is why Lough Atalia has been so bad Westbound around 4pm ?

galwaycyclist · 20-02-2016 10:17pm

Discodog wrote: »

So you pay hundreds in road tax, thousands in insurance & fuel taxes, vat, vrt etc & you aren't supposed to drive your car :mad:

The Novena would of been the perfect opportunity for a park & ride especially as so many of the older drivers from out of town are terrified of traffic. Anyone who's been to Oxford can see how well it can work. There are plenty of sites around Knocknara, Headford Road, Ballybrit etc.

The Oxford system is fast, cheap & ultra reliable. You never wait more than 10 mins & the bus drops you in the main shopping street.

Some of us have to drive & I can see a time when we will have to pay for permits to drive in the city like the London congestion charge.

The strange one is why Lough Atalia has been so bad Westbound around 4pm ?

An Oxford style Park and Ride solution would threaten Galway city council's income stream from car parking. Expecting the city council officials to fix the traffic problem is like expecting turkeys to vote for christmas. They need the traffic jams the same way drug addicts need their next score. Even the "idea" of a city without traffic queues is probably threatening for them at a fundamental level.

Ps: There is no such thing as "road tax" in this country

GDSGR8 · 20-02-2016 10:39pm

galwaycyclist wrote: »

An Oxford style Park and Ride solution would threaten Galway city council's income stream from car parking. Expecting the city council officials to fix the traffic problem is like expecting turkeys to vote for christmas. They need the traffic jams the same way drug addicts need their next score. Even the "idea" of a city without traffic queues is probably threatening for them at a fundamental level.

Ps: There is no such thing as "road tax" in this country

You've turned into quite the parody at this stage. Like a self-styled cycling colonel kurtz, you've clearly gone insane.

Mod note, take a day off

galwaycyclist · 20-02-2016 11:00pm

GDSGR8 wrote: »

You've turned into quite the parody at this stage. Like a self-styled cycling colonel kurtz, you've clearly gone insane.

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

The numbers are here in a pre-budget submission from last year.

http://www.galwaycycling.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/GCC_PreBudget2016_Submission_Discussion_Paper_Parking_Levy.pdf

Galway motorists really grinding my gears

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