Breast Feeding in Restaurant

hondasam · 01-04-2012 4:10pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

OP offered more than an opinion in fairness...using words like "ignorant", "shocked", "there is a time and place" is inflaming and verging on trolling.

I really do not think she was trolling, like I said all ready she could have worded it a bit better. I think she might have thought this is AH's it will be a laugh(apologises if this is incorrect op).

lisatu · 01-04-2012 4:15pm

hondasam wrote: »

Babies do not just get hungry,mothers have a good idea when the next feed is due and plan accordingly. If the mother had just got to the restaurant she would have known the baby was due a feed.
Maybe she could have tried to give the baby a drink from a bottle first, maybe she did try this I dunno.

Im sorry to say that a breastfed baby does not run on a scheldule and honestly a lot of bottlefed babies dont either so it is not that easy to work your day around a baby's feeding times and she should not have to either.

If more places had proper changings rooms that you could actually sit and fed your child in that maybe she would go there but honestly there are not very many while I was feeding my daughter I only found one place that had a half descent changing that you could go and sit.

But as has been said when you breastfed you are protected by law and can whip them out where ever you want.

namloc1980 · 01-04-2012 4:20pm

hondasam wrote: »

I really do not think she was trolling, like I said all ready she could have worded it a bit better. I think she might have thought this is AH's it will be a laugh(apologises if this is incorrect op).

Calling a woman "ignorant" for breastfeeding her child in a place where she is legally entitled to do so is well out of order.

Dudess · 01-04-2012 4:22pm

Mungbean you know perfectly well there's a difference between expressing saying in a reasonable fashion that breastfeeding in public makes you uncomfortable, and saying it's "ignorant" and shouldn't be allowed. There are people who said the former and they didn't get attacked.

There's always someone on these threads who rather pompously suggests you're not allowed a dissenting opinion on Boards. It's bollocks - and really disingenuous. And used as ammunition by bigots here. It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it - and how you put the point across ("I think that way and that's final!" doesn't cut the mustard) and people are allowed to take it apart if it's really weak and obnoxious - not simply because it's a different opinion. :rolleyes: Why do people have to resort to trotting out that bullsh1t line?

hondasam · 01-04-2012 4:25pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Calling a woman "ignorant" for breastfeeding her child in a place where she is legally entitled to do so is well out of order.

Yes it is but the legality of does not come into it really, it would be rude regardless.

lisatu · 01-04-2012 4:31pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

That unreal, i would of complained to the Manager.

If you would conplain to the manager then you could be asked to leave not the mother and her baby. They have a legal obligation to protect her from discrimination and harrassment.

Cheeky_gal · 01-04-2012 4:35pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

OP offered more than an opinion in fairness...using words like "ignorant", "shocked", "there is a time and place" is inflaming and verging on trolling.

No it is not. You are just looking for an argument.

As someone said attack the post and not the poster.

I'm surprised anyone has the courage to post on this forum if this is the manner you all voice your opinions.

I'm no longer going to post in this thread as no doubt I will continue to be attacked. I stand strong on my opinion. Apologies if that offends mothers out there, call it a sheltered upbringing or whatever you wish, but that's how I feel.

Apologies if I worded the OP wrongly, I did not mean to cause offence. I'll clear a few things up before I leave this thread. I found it...

Ignorant - because some people (as we have established in this thread) do find it uncomfortable to watch. They may be in the minority, but they do exist. I went to a restaurant to enjoy a meal with friends and family. I shouldn't have to witness something which I find offensive.

I was shocked - because that is the first time I have actually witnessed a woman breast feeding in a restaurant that I can recall.

Time and a place - Yes I do think there should be areas introduced in Ireland where women can relax and breast feed their babies in privacy. If restaurants used to have smoking areas indoors then why can't they have areas where women can breast feed? It's not a big deal.

And can I just say I absolutely adore children and will have many of my own in the future. I won't be breast feeding them in restaurants where there might be people who are out to enjoy a nice pleasant meal without me coming along and causing offence. But hey that's just me.

Dudess · 01-04-2012 4:38pm

Was in a busy bar today and a gay couple at the table next to us started kissing. Couldn't believe it. I thought it was so ignorant. I looked around at people's reactions and everyone seemed shocked. Obviously it's not something people haven't seen before, but in a bar while people are eating/drinking?

There's a time and a place.

I wonder if the majority of people feel this way. Going by people's facial expressions in the restaurant they weren't too impressed.

Anyone who takes this apart is being mean and not allowing a dissenting opinion on Boards.

:rolleyes:

starbelgrade · 01-04-2012 4:39pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Ignorant - because some people (as we have established in this thread) do find it uncomfortable to watch. They may be in the minority, but they do exist. I went to a restaurant to enjoy a meal with friends and family. I shouldn't have to witness something which I find offensive.

I was shocked - because that is the first time I have actually witnessed a woman breast feeding in a restaurant that I can recall.

The fact that you find it ignorant & offensive is your own problem.

Quite frankly, I'm not surprised you've got a hard time of it in this thread when all you have been doing is failing badly at trying to defend your own insecurities around something that you have a very odd hang-up about.

hairyprincess · 01-04-2012 4:40pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

No it is not. You are just looking for an argument.

As someone said attack the post and not the poster.

I'm surprised anyone has the courage to post on this forum if this is the manner you all voice your opinions.

I'm no longer going to post in this thread as no doubt I will continue to be attacked. I stand strong on my opinion. Apologies if that offends mothers out there, call it a sheltered upbringing or whatever you wish, but that's how I feel.

Apologies if I worded the OP wrongly, I did not mean to cause offence. I'll clear a few things up before I leave this thread. I found it...

Ignorant - because some people (as we have established in this thread) do find it uncomfortable to watch. They may be in the minority, but they do exist. I went to a restaurant to enjoy a meal with friends and family. I shouldn't have to witness something which I find offensive.

I was shocked - because that is the first time I have actually witnessed a woman breast feeding in a restaurant that I can recall.

Time and a place - Yes I do think there should be areas introduced in Ireland where women can relax and breast feed their babies in privacy. If restaurants used to have smoking areas indoors then why can't they have areas where women can breast feed? It's not a big deal.

And can I just say I absolutely adore children and will have many of my own in the future. I won't be breast feeding them in restaurants where there might be people who are out to enjoy a nice pleasant meal without me coming along and causing offence. But hey that's just me.

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again; I feel sorry for you and those who have to endure your 'opinions'. Most of all though I feel sorry for your future children and the ignorance that will be forced upon them.

01-04-2012 4:41pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Ignorant - because some people (as we have established in this thread) do find it uncomfortable to watch. They may be in the minority, but they do exist. I went to a restaurant to enjoy a meal with friends and family. I shouldn't have to witness something which I find offensive.

Absolute, complete, and utter nonsense. Please find yourself a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word "ignorant".

If you find yourself uncomfortable in the presence of black people, should the restaraunt ask any black people to leave?

No they wouldn't, because they are legally obligated to protect the public from you and your backwards views.

Substitute "breastfeeding mother" for black person and you'll see what we're getting at. Sure, anyone is entitled to hold their own beliefs, even if they are backwards and nonsensical, as long as they keep them to themselves.

hondasam · 01-04-2012 4:42pm

hairyprincess wrote: »

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again; I feel sorry for you and those who have to endure your 'opinions'. Most of all though I feel sorry for your future children and the ignorance that will be forced upon them.

That a bit unfair and uncalled for.

Killed By Death · 01-04-2012 4:46pm

galwayrush wrote: »

Is it ok for a restaurant to charge a breastfeeding woman corkage?

They could call it.....norkage

AboutTwoFiddy · 01-04-2012 4:48pm

So much flaming in this thread!

MungBean · 01-04-2012 4:49pm

Dudess wrote: »

Mungbean you know perfectly well there's a difference between expressing saying in a reasonable fashion that breastfeeding in public makes you uncomfortable, and saying it's "ignorant" and shouldn't be allowed. There are people who said the former and they didn't get attacked.

Doesnt matter what the OP called ignorant its her opinion, and the opposite of that opinion is "Its not ignorant" not "your ignorant". The OP can word it whatever way she likes as she has every right to, but other posters have no right to attack her for it. Its the golden rule of the entire forum, dont attack the poster.

There's always someone on these threads who rather pompously suggests you're not allowed a dissenting opinion on Boards. It's bollocks - and really disingenuous. And used as ammunition by bigots here. It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it - and how you put the point across ("I think that way and that's final!" doesn't cut the mustard) and people are allowed to take it apart if it's really weak and obnoxious - not simply because it's a different opinion. :rolleyes: Why do people have to resort to trotting out that bullsh1t line?

The wording in that post isnt too much different than how the OP worder hers. The only difference is where she's calling someone outside of the boards community ignorant you are calling members of the boards community pompous and bigoted.

The hypocrasy and lack of understanding of your own point of view compared to the OP and what we are talking about is the reason we are having this discussion. You think you have the right to lambaste the OP because you think she shouldnt have the right to lambaste a woman breastfeeding. While doing so you throw around words like pompous and bigot because you dont like her use of the word ignorant. :rolleyes:

Cheeky_gal · 01-04-2012 4:50pm

hairyprincess wrote: »

I said it earlier in the thread and I'll say it again; I feel sorry for you and those who have to endure your 'opinions'. Most of all though I feel sorry for your future children and the ignorance that will be forced upon them.

Thanks

namloc1980 · 01-04-2012 4:51pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Ignorant - because some people (as we have established in this thread) do find it uncomfortable to watch. They may be in the minority, but they do exist. I went to a restaurant to enjoy a meal with friends and family. I shouldn't have to witness something which I find offensive.

What exactly is offensive about a baby being fed naturally? If other people having a meal offends you so much, perhaps a restaurant is a silly place for you to be going.

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

I was shocked - because that is the first time I have actually witnessed a woman breast feeding in a restaurant that I can recall.

How is it "shocking"? And why were you staring at this woman? Look away, it really was none of your business.

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Time and a place - Yes I do think there should be areas introduced in Ireland where women can relax and breast feed their babies in privacy. If restaurants used to have smoking areas indoors then why can't they have areas where women can breast feed? It's not a big deal.

And can I just say I absolutely adore children and will have many of my own in the future. I won't be breast feeding them in restaurants where there might be people who are out to enjoy a nice pleasant meal without me coming along and causing offence. But hey that's just me.

It is just you and a small minority....thankfully.

corktina · 01-04-2012 4:51pm

a poll would be interesting here

AboutTwoFiddy · 01-04-2012 4:53pm

corktina wrote: »

a poll would be interesting here

Ah here now, breastfeeding is one thing, but dancing and breastfeeding? That's a bit too much.

Madam · 01-04-2012 4:55pm

If the woman was feeding her baby right - you would'nt have seen anything to be offended about(maybe the odd smacking noise from the child enjoying lunch:rolleyes:).

Dudess · 01-04-2012 4:59pm

MungBean wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

Mungbean you know perfectly well there's a difference between expressing saying in a reasonable fashion that breastfeeding in public makes you uncomfortable, and saying it's "ignorant" and shouldn't be allowed. There are people who said the former and they didn't get attacked.

Doesnt matter what the OP called ignorant its her opinion, and the opposite of that opinion is "Its not ignorant" not "your ignorant". The OP can word it whatever way she likes as she has every right to, but other posters have no right to attack her for it. Its the golden rule of the entire forum, dont attack the poster.

There's always someone on these threads who rather pompously suggests you're not allowed a dissenting opinion on Boards. It's bollocks - and really disingenuous. And used as ammunition by bigots here. It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it - and how you put the point across ("I think that way and that's final!" doesn't cut the mustard) and people are allowed to take it apart if it's really weak and obnoxious - not simply because it's a different opinion. :rolleyes: Why do people have to resort to trotting out that bullsh1t line?

The wording in that post isnt too much different than how the OP worder hers. The only difference is where she's calling someone outside of the boards community ignorant you are calling members of the boards community pompous and bigoted.

The hypocrasy and lack of understanding of your own point of view compared to the OP and what we are talking about is the reason we are having this discussion. You think you have the right to lambaste the OP because you think she shouldnt have the right to lambaste a woman breastfeeding. While doing so you throw around words like pompous and bigot because you dont like her use of the word ignorant. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah it really just boils down to me disliking her use of the word ignorant - nothing more. Strawman central.

If a person chooses to insult a woman breastfeeding and insists they should hide away to do so, they can whistle if they want people to respect their opinion. After all, others are just expressing their opinion. Difficult not to get personal really when the person gives their own personal view and seemingly feels it should be pandered to in a public place.

If a person says they personally feel uncomfortable sitting near a breastfeeding woman, that's just them and their personal take.
I didn't call the OP a bigot, I said the "Any opinion should be respected and you just have a problem because it's different to yours" bullsh1t is used by bigots in other threads to legitimise their weak as piss arguments.
I don't get the need for the disingenuousness. Going against the grain for the sake of it p'haps?

Lambasting the OP is due to provocation btw - what did the breastfeeding woman do to deliberately provoke the OP?

haminka · 01-04-2012 5:05pm

I personally find the sight of a drunk woman offensive and repulsive but I am aware of the fact that in Ireland it is considered normal for women to go and have some good time which normally includes plenty of alcohol and the subsequent hangover. I know plenty of otherwise very nice girls who spend their Friday nights wasted and almost unrecognizable from their everyday persona so I supress my prejudice and simply go with it as a part of the local culture. So if the OP has some hang ups about seeing women breastfeeding she should either bite the bullet and look elswhere (funny enough, I have no problem sitting beside a BF woman and look into her eyes and not stare at her boobs) or avoid public places because there's a good chance she might meet with this horrific sight.

MungBean · 01-04-2012 5:08pm

Dudess wrote: »

Oh yeah it really just boils down to me disliking her use of the word ignorant - nothing more. Strawman central.

Strawman me hole you said exactly that. That it was her wording of the OP and her use of the word ignorant that was the problem and if she worded it differently there wouldnt be a problem.

Mungbean you know perfectly well there's a difference between expressing saying in a reasonable fashion that breastfeeding in public makes you uncomfortable, and saying it's "ignorant" and shouldn't be allowed. There are people who said the former and they didn't get attacked.

If a person chooses to insult a woman breastfeeding and insists they should hide away to do so, they can whistle if they want people to respect their opinion. After all, others are just expressing their opinion. Difficult not to get personal really when the person gives their own personal view and seemingly feels it should be pandered to in a public place.

Nobody has to respect their opinion but attacking them isnt an argument. This is a discussion forum and the OP's opinion was the topic, not the OP herself.

If a person says they personally feel uncomfortable sitting near a breastfeeding woman, that's just them and their personal take.
I didn't call the OP a bigot, I said the "Any opinion should be respected and you just have a problem because it's different to yours" bullsh1t is used by bigots in other threads to legitimise their weak as piss arguments.
I don't get the need for the disingenuousness. Going against the grain for the sake of it p'haps?

Its not that difficult to understand. She doesnt like breastfeeding in public, thats her opinion. Argue all you want about how wrong it is but once you decide to attack her for having it your the problem not her opinion. You cant seem to grasp that you can argue against someone's opinion without personally attacking them for having it.

Glowing · 01-04-2012 5:08pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

I won't be breast feeding them in restaurants where there might be people who are out to enjoy a nice pleasant meal without me coming along and causing offence. But hey that's just me.

Please report back and let us know how you get on with that! :rolleyes:

Hammer Archer · 01-04-2012 5:13pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Ignorant - because some people (as we have established in this thread) do find it uncomfortable to watch. They may be in the minority, but they do exist. I went to a restaurant to enjoy a meal with friends and family. I shouldn't have to witness something which I find offensive.

I'm pretty sure this has been mentioned before, but what about people who find it offensive for women to have their face/hair uncovered? Should every woman in a restaurant that these people enter be forced to cover up their faces just because someone finds it offensive? Surely that's similar to what you're advocating here. If you were sitting in the restaurant yesterday and a man came up to you and said he finds your uncovered face offensive, would you then cover it up so that he could enjoy a pleasant meal with friends and family? Of course you wouldn't.

Time and a place - Yes I do think there should be areas introduced in Ireland where women can relax and breast feed their babies in privacy. If restaurants used to have smoking areas indoors then why can't they have areas where women can breast feed? It's not a big deal.

How about instead, every restaurant has an area where easily offended folk can relax and be offended in privacy. It's not that big a deal.

Dudess · 01-04-2012 5:15pm

Glowing wrote: »

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

I won't be breast feeding them in restaurants where there might be people who are out to enjoy a nice pleasant meal without me coming along and causing offence. But hey that's just me.

Please report back and let us know how you get on with that! :rolleyes:

Yep, very easy when you've no kids that you'd pander to uptight people's whims when you do.

MungBean · 01-04-2012 5:16pm

Dudess wrote: »

Lambasting the OP is due to provocation btw - what did the breastfeeding woman do to deliberately provoke the OP?

The problem in a nutshell !!! The fact she has an opinion and expressed it is provocation ? She provoked you into attacking her by having an opinion you didnt like.

Between the OP denouncing the woman for breastfeeding and you denouncing the OP for doing so you are the one who is more intolerant you do realise that ? The problem you have with the OP is ten times more apparent in your own opinion than hers. Your attacking yourself here basically.

Micky Dolenz · 01-04-2012 5:17pm

Mod

Too many posters here are becoming personal, thats not on. Attack the post not the poster.

Please report any post you think has crossed the line.

Thanks

Solair · 01-04-2012 5:18pm

I can't understand why anyone's offended by a woman breastfeeding.

It just makes absolutely no sense, unless you're some kind of puritan who gets freaked out at the sight of a boob.

I mean, what's the big deal? All women have boobs, they've evolved to feed babies.

As a bloke, it neither upsets, offends nor annoys me. It's just normal.

Frankly, I'd be more annoyed if it were a screaming hungry baby at the restaurant than a happily breastfed one!

The suggestions that I have heard that someone should fed their baby in the toilet is frankly just ignorant and disgusting. Would you like to eat in a public toilet?!

If someone is offended by breastfeeding, I seriously think it's they who have the problem. It's not offensive and it's not sexual to see a woman feeding a baby. It's one of the most natural things in the world, much like breathing!

sweetnjuicy · 01-04-2012 5:20pm

all i can say is WTF??

what planet are you from cheeky-gal??

Im gonna go ahead and guess you either have no kids or were selfish enough to formula feed yours??

(not saying everyone who FF is selfish, but they dont bash BF moms)

How about you eat all your meals from now on in your car?? Or you never leave your house in case a baby might just get hungry wherever you are?

If I was that woman and saw you staring at me while I fed my child I would have complained you and I'm sure it would have been you asked to leave the restaurant and not me

So how bout you go crawl back into the hole you came out of and stay there forever??

Would save moms like me alot of annoying looks and comments

Dudess · 01-04-2012 5:23pm

Mungbean, it is a strawman seeing as the use of the word ignorant is hardly just what I find objectionable.

Again you're ignoring pertinent points. I said if a person says they don't feel comfortable being near a breastfeeding woman, fair enough, they can't help it. Sunflower said that, Budgese said it - did they get attacked? If people think it's on a par with pooing or peeing or **** in public though, they should re-examine that as it's extremely flawed logic.
But merely saying it makes you uncomfortable is completely different to saying breastfeeding in public is ignorant meaning rude, and "shocking" and that it shouldn't be allowed, and lying that her "rack" was out.

If the opening post was "How do people feel about breastfeeding in public? Tbh it makes me feel uncomfortable - I don't know why" etc I guarantee I'd only try to inform, I would not say they've issues etc, which I do agree is going too far.

And why don't you have a go at the mentalists who say it's selfish feminazi carry-on?

Mickey Dazzler · 01-04-2012 5:24pm

I don't see the problem to be honest. I love catching an eye full of milf titty out in public.

forfuxsake · 01-04-2012 5:26pm

AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »

Ah here now, breastfeeding is one thing, but dancing and breastfeeding? That's a bit too much.

Speak for yerself.

Nyan Cat · 01-04-2012 5:26pm

The op worded the first post in a way that incited a lot of anger and in some cases outright bile. Both sides at fault there.

I'm uncomfortable if I see a baby over the age of about a year being breastfed in public. I grew up with aunts who would whip out a nipple for an older baby and they weren't as discrete about it as most women are now. One of them was breastfed till she was almost 4. This is probably where the discomfort stems from. (I myself was a child when this happened)
A young baby being breastfed im not uncomfortable with.
If I'm uncomfy I don't say anything, I don't make faces. I don't stare. I ignore it.

You should be allowed to admit you might not be comfortable with something if you just get on with it when that something arises.

I would never suggest they use a toilet. Go to a different room etc. it's just feeding after all.

forfuxsake · 01-04-2012 5:28pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Mod

Too many posters here are becoming personal, thats not on. Attack the post not the poster.

Please report any post you think has crossed the line.

Thanks

The OP was way out of order though, to call breastfeeding mums ignorant is grossly inflammatory, proof of this is that it inflammed many people, and not only breastfeeding mums but all right-minded people.

dark crystal · 01-04-2012 5:30pm

MungBean wrote: »

No, poster offers opinion on a topic. Happens to be in contradiction of what most people think , cue stampede of ignorant comments attacking the poster and not the post.

You can be angered and challenge it all you want but you dont have to direct it at the poster. Argue your point against the topic of the OP, name calling, crys of trolling, and attacked on the OP for being "backward" is whats childish and ignorant.

The first few pages are littered with it, its still continueing unabated and as someone who disagree with the OP I find myself more disturbed by the level of hatred directed towards her than her having an opinion I disagree with. Its an AH angry mob and its rather pathetic to be honest.

Firstly, I don't hate the OP at all, but I do think she has some serious growing up to do.
The topic was brought up by the poster, citing a personal experience and her personal feelings towards the issue. It wasn't just a general 'What do you think of brestfeeding' type thread - she was the one who told the initial story and then got upset when challenged on it. You can't insult and offend certain people in one post and then cry foul when others react in the same way.

A majority of posters disagreeing with such an opinion doesn't equal an angry mob. If someone expresses a view that offends and insults various other members of this forum (i.e: breast-feeding mums), then surely it's expected that there will be strong feelings towards her and her posts. It's very naive to think otherwise.

Dudess · 01-04-2012 5:31pm

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

I don't see the problem to be honest. I love catching an eye full of milf titty out in public.

You ain't gonna catch an eyeful when it's a breastfeeding mum as she tends to vigilantly keep them covered - don't believe the lies here.

hondasam · 01-04-2012 5:32pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

The OP was way out of order though, to call breastfeeding mums ignorant is grossly inflammatory, proof of this is that it inflammed many people, and not only breastfeeding mums but all right-minded people.

Two wrongs don't make a right and some of the comments were personal about the OP and were not nice.

Micky Dolenz · 01-04-2012 5:33pm

forfuxsake wrote: »

The OP was way out of order though, to call breastfeeding mums ignorant is grossly inflammatory, proof of this is that it inflammed many people, and not only breastfeeding mums but all right-minded people.

Mod

Report the post if it offended you. There is no excuse for personal attacks.

If you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to PM me.

BackScrub · 01-04-2012 5:35pm

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

Was out for lunch in a very busy restaurant today and a woman at the table next to us started breast feeding. Couldn't believe it. I thought it was so ignorant. I looked around at people's reactions and everyone seemed shocked. Obviously it's not something people haven't seen before, but in a restaurant while people are eating?

There's a time and a place.

I wonder if the majority of people feel this way. Going by people's facial expressions in the restaurant they weren't too impressed.

Maybe they were reacting to your reaction? It's the only explanation I can come up with for a roomful of supposedly half-decent people.

Bloody glad I don't have to share a meal with them.

haminka · 01-04-2012 5:37pm

guys, can we please discuss the topic and not the person. I personally absolutely disagree with what the OP said but don't want to see the thread going personal.

MungBean · 01-04-2012 5:40pm

Dudess wrote: »

Mungbean, it is a strawman seeing as the use of the word ignorant is hardly just what I find objectionable.

You said your issue was because of how they worded their post and the fact they called the woman ignorant. Thats whats you said, I have already quoted you as saying it. The issue we are discussing is the attacking of the OP not whether breastfeeding is ok or not. So its not a strawman its a fact. Your issue lies with how she worded her post, mainly with her calling the woman ignorant. You even reiterate your issue in the next paragraph, theres no strawman here

Again you're ignoring pertinent points. I said if a person says they don't feel comfortable being near a breastfeeding woman, fair enough, they can't help it. Sunflower said that, Budgese said it - did they get attacked? If people think it's on a par with pooing or peeing or **** in public though, they should re-examine that as it's extremely flawed logic.
That is completely different to saying breastfeeding in public is ignorant meaning rude, and "shocking" and that it shouldn't be allowed.

Most people are not arguing logic though they are attacking, you take issue with the OP for "attacking" the woman by calling her ignorant yet you yourself base your argument on attacking the OP. Your not making any pertinent points just ignoring mine. You take issue with the OP attacking the woman because she disagrees with what she's doing and your response is to attack her because you dont like what she's saying. Your displaying in your argument what you take issue with in hers. But its more vitriolic in yours. Just because your responding to the OP doesnt make your post any more relevant than her response to the breastfeeding.

Dudess · 01-04-2012 5:42pm

Nyan Cat wrote: »

The op worded the first post in a way that incited a lot of anger and in some cases outright bile. Both sides at fault there.

I'm uncomfortable if I see a baby over the age of about a year being breastfed in public. I grew up with aunts who would whip out a nipple for an older baby and they weren't as discrete about it as most women are now. One of them was breastfed till she was almost 4. This is probably where the discomfort stems from. (I myself was a child when this happened)
A young baby being breastfed im not uncomfortable with.
If I'm uncomfy I don't say anything, I don't make faces. I don't stare. I ignore it.

You should be allowed to admit you might not be comfortable with something if you just get on with it when that something arises.

I would never suggest they use a toilet. Go to a different room etc. it's just feeding after all.

Well I wouldn't be comfortable with a breastfeeding woman making no effort to cover her boobs, and I find breastfeeding of a child past nursing age pretty weird, but if it's legal I don't have a right to say it shouldn't be allowed, and in fairness, when it's in public, the chances of breast exposure, bar the essential bit, is highly unlikely.

Micky Dolenz · 01-04-2012 5:43pm

Once a child is able to chew food, it shouldn't be on the boob.

hondasam · 01-04-2012 5:47pm

Definitely when they start asking for it you know it's time to stop.

MungBean · 01-04-2012 5:49pm

dark crystal wrote: »

Firstly, I don't hate the OP at all, but I do think she has some serious growing up to do.
The topic was brought up by the poster, citing a personal experience and her personal feelings towards the issue. It wasn't just a general 'What do you think of brestfeeding' type thread - she was the one who told the initial story and then got upset when challenged on it. You can't insult and offend certain people in one post and then cry foul when others react in the same way.

Posters are encouraged to offer their own view when starting a thread. The fact that she did so doesnt open her to personal attacks. She was attacked from the start, and didnt initially deliberately offend or insult anyone else on the forum. People took issue with her opinion and attacked her. Its clear as day and theres no defending that.

A majority of posters disagreeing with such an opinion doesn't equal an angry mob. If someone expresses a view that offends and insults various other members of this forum (i.e: breast-feeding mums), then surely it's expected that there will be strong feelings towards her and her posts. It's very naive to think otherwise.

A majority of posters attacking the OP for saying something they disagree with is an angry mob. Look at the thanks on insults on the first page.

And there is a huge huge difference between being offended and being insulted. You cant just attack and insult someone because you feel offended by their opinion, thinking you can or that strong feelings make it acceptable is the real naivety.

haminka · 01-04-2012 5:50pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Once a child is able to chew food, it shouldn't be on the boob.

why? even the formula fed babies get their bottles when they know how to chew because they need to supplement their nutrition.

Micky Dolenz · 01-04-2012 5:52pm

haminka wrote: »

why? even the formula fed babies get their bottles when they know how to chew because they need to supplement their nutrition.

I still supplement my diet by drinking milk, doesn't mean I need to be supping on me ma.

hondasam · 01-04-2012 5:52pm

haminka wrote: »

why? even the formula fed babies get their bottles when they know how to chew because they need to supplement their nutrition.

Once they can drink from a cup they do not need bottles.

I think Micky was joking. could be wrong.

hondasam · 01-04-2012 5:53pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I still supplement my diet by drinking milk, doesn't mean I need to be supping on me ma.

ffs micky, are you drunk

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