The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread

Morrisseeee · 16-12-2009 10:11am

WRT the FORWARD PASS rule in the NFL, I'd like to see 2 rules gotten rid of, just to spice things up

:
1. The passer must be behind his line of scrimmage (Loss of down and five yards, enforced from the spot of pass).
2. An offensive team may make only one forward pass during each play from scrimmage (Loss of 5 yards).

I think Favre did it (no. 1) at the weekend but it is deemed a foul, boooo hoooo I say !!!!

davyjose · 16-12-2009 12:04pm

Yup, he did. I wouldn't have minded, but he could have rushed to 1st down. Great pass it was though.

tallaghtoutlaws · 16-12-2009 12:09pm

Morrisseeee wrote: »

WRT the FORWARD PASS rule in the NFL, I'd like to see 2 rules gotten rid of, just to spice things up :
1. The passer must be behind his line of scrimmage (Loss of down and five yards, enforced from the spot of pass).
2. An offensive team may make only one forward pass during each play from scrimmage (Loss of 5 yards).

I think Favre did it (no. 1) at the weekend but it is deemed a foul, boooo hoooo I say !!!!

Nah horrible idea. Could you imagine anyone being able to throw a ball forward. You wouldn't need a decent QB and the game would become sh1t very quickly. You will have every RB and WR and Vick types running for 10 yards and then offloading it. It will become a pussy sport very quickly with late hits and hurt people every where.

Morrisseeee · 16-12-2009 4:07pm

Fixed your post !

Great idea. Imagine anyone being able to throw a ball forward. You wouldn't need a decent QB and the game would become sh1t hot very quickly. You will have every RB and WR and Vick types running for 10 yards and then offloading it. It will become a great sport very quickly with late hits and hurt people every where.

themont85 · 16-12-2009 6:04pm

The NFL are a bunch of saps when it comes to celebrations and also hypocritical. They love the fact that Ocho gets upto that stuff, giving him plenty of time on NFL Network and the Red Zone Channel (as noted by TMQB on page 2 yesterday). They then fine him for just doing funny things.

I love how most people are on Chad's side now. A couple of years ago some people thought he was TO mark 2, I've always been a fan as some are on here of him, whilst the HoF jacket thing was incredibly arrogant it was also hilarious. His book looks great too.:)

ArmCandyBaby · 16-12-2009 9:51pm

Here's a good article I read about this earlier in the year. Not much substance but it did give me a good chuckle!

Walkthrough: Incomplete Education

by Mike Tanier

The NFL will soon crack down on end zone meta-brations.

Chad Ochocinco scored a first-quarter touchdown against the Browns last week, then headed toward the infamous Dawg Pound. Ochocinco leapt into the throng of socially maladjusted Browns fans a few years ago, but lineman Anthony Collins grabbed him this time. He bear-hugged the demonstrative receiver and appeared to warn him not to taunt the rowdy fans. Ochocinco complied and followed Collins to the sidelines.

After the game, Collins revealed that the whole scene was staged. Ochocinco never planned to leap into the Dawg Pound; he told Collins and the other linemen to grab him and make an elaborate show of stopping him. That means that the act of stopping the celebration was, in fact, the celebration. A meta-bration.

Ochocinco's meta-bration was clever and entertaining, which is why the league must stop anything like it from happening in the future.

The Ochocinco-Collins skit disobeys many of the league's end zone celebration rules. It was premeditated. It involved teammates. It had all the earmarks of an illicit celebration except the actual celebration. There's no way Roger Goodell will leave such a pesky loophole unfilled. Next year, the rulebook will include language like this:

Meta-brations: Any premeditated act of excessive celebration that involves the deliberate abstinence from excessive celebration will be penalized as if it is an actual excessive celebration: 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff.

Further language will prohibit second, third, or nth degree meta-brations: Teammates cannot prevent teammates from preventing other teammates from celebrating if such prevention appears designed to enhance the overall illusion of celebration prevention.

In this way, the league will completely eliminate subjectivity from officiating.

While deliberating on meta-brations, Goodell and his party posse will develop other rules to help curb the pandemic of spontaneous work-related pride that's eroding our society. The league will also outlaw:

Quasi-brations: Celebrations where the player crinkles his nose and half-heartedly spikes the ball. Quasi-brations cheapen the touchdown experience.

Retro-brations: Celebrations that pay homage to the Funky Bunch or Billy White Shoes Johnson, even if such celebrations somehow fall within the pinky-hold fissures in existing rules. End zone dancing has been around for 40 years, but that still doesn't make it right, dammit.

Gamma-brations: Celebrations involving the Hulk smashing puny humans. Actually, banning these is a good idea.

Anti-brations: Instances where the player hands the ball back to the referee with such nondescript humility that he calls attention to his own nondescript humility, thereby making us all feel guilty about our petty egos and provoking a shameful hatred of the player and his showy modesty.

Eventually, NFL psychologists will determine what level of enthusiasm is appropriate after scoring a touchdown. Youth players across America will then condition themselves to respond appropriately, starting at age 10. Spontaneity will be replaced by carefully-modulated displays of socially acceptable self-satisfaction. Creativity will be stifled in the name of narrowly-defined rules of sportsmanship.

It will be a glorious future. But not too glorious.

Chucky the tree · 16-12-2009 10:11pm

Charlie Fyre has been named as starter for the Raiders game at Broncos. So JR has basically been dumped to 3rd string QB in a season he started as 1st stringer. What a failure.

ReacherCreature · 16-12-2009 11:30pm

I bet Losman'll get a couple of reps in the last few games too.

Leslie91 · 17-12-2009 12:42am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Charlie Fyre has been named as starter for the Raiders game at Broncos. So JR has basically been dumped to 3rd string QB in a season he started as 1st stringer. What a failure.

Looks like he is going to surpass Leaf as biggest bust of all time.

That'll be some relief to us Charger fans after all the years of slagging about Leaf.

ReacherCreature · 17-12-2009 12:51am

Leslie91 wrote: »

Looks like he is going to surpass Leaf as biggest bust of all time.

That'll be some relief to us Charger fans after all the years of slagging about Leaf.

I was unsure if he would when all the allegations were flying around about Russell, but now, the tide on him looks unstoppable.

davyjose · 17-12-2009 1:07am

Leslie91 wrote: »

Looks like he is going to surpass Leaf as biggest bust of all time.

That'll be some relief to us Charger fans after all the years of slagging about Leaf.

You's could have had Manning - that will always make Leaf so much worse IMO. The fact that he was favourite to go 1st pick AHEAD of one of the greats, and look at them now. Russell will never have that added humiliation.

You guys ditched Brees too, right?

ReacherCreature · 17-12-2009 1:18am

davyjose wrote: »

You guys ditched Brees too, right?

I always look back at that and wonder what if.

But it was Rivers' time I suppose.

_Buck Rogers · 17-12-2009 1:39am

davyjose wrote: »

You's could have had Manning - that will always make Leaf so much worse IMO. The fact that he was favourite to go 1st pick AHEAD of one of the greats, and look at them now. Russell will never have that added humiliation.

You guys ditched Brees too, right?

Wasnt manning 1st pick, leaf second?

ReacherCreature · 17-12-2009 1:50am

_Buck Rogers wrote: »

Wasnt manning 1st pick, leaf second?

Davyjose said 'favourite' in his comment, that he was projected ahead of Manning at the time.

You's could have had Manning - that will always make Leaf so much worse IMO. The fact that he was favourite to go 1st pick AHEAD of one of the greats, and look at them now. Russell will never have that added humiliation.

davyjose · 17-12-2009 2:52am

_Buck Rogers wrote: »

Wasnt manning 1st pick, leaf second?

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Davyjose said 'favourite' in his comment, that he was projected ahead of Manning at the time.

Yeah, the media were convinced Leaf was the better prospect. And apparently Manning only swung it after his interview. San diego Claim they wanted Manning too - It seems manning spoke of how he would spend every day of the next 15 years making them regret it if they didn't draf him, and Leaf said something about going to vegas. Take from that what you will.

Gotta be honest Reacher, that the Saints recovered from the Manning/Leaf situ, the Brees situ, and ended up with Philip Rivers, suggests they were destined to have a great QB. The guy has what it takes.

Chucky the tree · 17-12-2009 3:02am

Speaking of busts, Reggie Bush for me is near is a top 10 worst one of all time. While he's had a solid career I remember the huge hype that surronded him and the amount of abuse Texans received when they didn't draft him.

ReacherCreature · 17-12-2009 3:17am

davyjose wrote: »

Gotta be honest Reacher, that the Saints recovered from the Manning/Leaf situ, the Brees situ, and ended up with Philip Rivers, suggests they were destined to have a great QB. The guy has what it takes.

Definitely so. My guess is that the Chargers utterly knew that Rivers was going to be explosive in his future. They kept him waiting in the wings and launched him when the time was right. In his first season he flipped 22 touchdowns to 9 interceptions and a 14-2 campaign. Incredible.

Pete P Peterson · 17-12-2009 4:36am

is there any chance of a game in ireland, lads? I've heard rumours.

RichTea · 17-12-2009 11:20am

Pete P Peterson wrote: »

is there any chance of a game in ireland, lads? I've heard rumours.

No, none, at least not for a few years. I'd say best bet is a pre-season game like the one between the Steelers and Bears in the 90s.

_Buck Rogers · 17-12-2009 2:00pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Speaking of busts, Reggie Bush for me is near is a top 10 worst one of all time. While he's had a solid career I remember the huge hype that surronded him and the amount of abuse Texans received when they didn't draft him.

I kinda disagree here. I think Bush had a solid rookie season, and would have been much better the last two seasons if not for injuries. I'm looking forward to watching him play injury free.

Also I like him anyway for the amount of charity work he did

Trojan · 19-12-2009 4:51am

Watching Montana vs Villanova in NCAA Div 1 Title (afaik). Good game, Marinari and Szczur having a great game (apparently the latter is moving to MLB next year!).

Trojan · 19-12-2009 5:03am

Woah - sure thing turns into a nightmare for Villanova - Grizzlies get TD with 1m07s left, 2 points in it with all 6 T/O's left.

Villanova 23, Montana 21,
1 min left.

Trojan · 19-12-2009 5:09am

Trojan wrote: »

Villanova 23, Montana 21,
1 min left.

Final

cooker3 · 19-12-2009 6:25am

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

What an ignorant piece Peter King wrote. Chad Ochocinco has donated to many charities own his own behalf anyways. He had a charity back in 2007 called Feed the Children which he ran with help from Yahoo. And you are right the NFL donates a high proportion of all its fines to Charities also.

Yeah, the fact the nfl punish him for wearing something on the sideline for less then 5 seconds is the really ridiculous part of this.

Leslie91 · 19-12-2009 10:36pm

davyjose wrote: »

You's could have had Manning - that will always make Leaf so much worse IMO. The fact that he was favourite to go 1st pick AHEAD of one of the greats, and look at them now. Russell will never have that added humiliation.

You guys ditched Brees too, right?

davyjose wrote: »

Yeah, the media were convinced Leaf was the better prospect. And apparently Manning only swung it after his interview. San diego Claim they wanted Manning too - It seems manning spoke of how he would spend every day of the next 15 years making them regret it if they didn't draf him, and Leaf said something about going to vegas. Take from that what you will.

Gotta be honest Reacher, that the Saints recovered from the Manning/Leaf situ, the Brees situ, and ended up with Philip Rivers, suggests they were destined to have a great QB. The guy has what it takes.

Like someone already said we couldn't 'have had' Manning as he was picked no. 1 and Leaf no. 2. The fact that we gave so much up to get to that spot meant we were happy either way Manning or Leaf. It was a real close call at the time. Indy made the right choice and we made the choice we felt we had to make.

We did not 'ditch' Brees. He was out of contract and had just wrecked his shoulder in his last game as a Charger. And we had a superstar (as we know now) sitting on the bench costing mega bucks. It was the right call by our GM. We made Brees a very fair offer (1 yr) considering everything and he chose to go for the long term from New Orleans.

Another point to remember is he first went to Miami and expected to sign for them but they were not convinced on his shoulder and went for Culpepper.

If anyone F'ed up on Brees it was Miami. At the end of the day it has worked out great for both Rivers and Brees.

Hynzie · 20-12-2009 2:51am

Leslie91 wrote: »

We did not 'ditch' Brees. He was out of contract and had just wrecked his shoulder in his last game as a Charger. And we had a superstar (as we know now) sitting on the bench costing mega bucks. It was the right call by our GM. We made Brees a very fair offer (1 yr) considering everything and he chose to go for the long term from New Orleans.

Yeah totally agree. They had to go with Rivers with the money he was making and the question marks over the shoulder injury.

I find it hard to fault the Chargers in any of this. They had to draft Rivers in 2004 because Brees wasn't getting it done at the time. I was only 15 at the time but I remember reading an article during the 2003 season about Brees being one of the worst QB's in the league! Funny how its all turned out now!

SeekUp · 20-12-2009 5:01am

I'd like to see the league to do away with the tuck rule. Does the QB lose possession of the ball? Yes? Is it an incomplete pass? No? Then it's a fumble. I don't care what the QB was in the process of doing with it.

Hazys · 29-12-2009 4:35pm

Just got Patriots playoff tickets :cool:

Could be against the Broncos, Ravens, Steelers, Texans or Jets...all will be great games, especially if its against the Jets cos Sanchez is going to suck in the snow.

tallaghtoutlaws · 29-12-2009 4:53pm

Hazys wrote: »

Just got Patriots playoff tickets :cool:

Could be against the Broncos, Ravens, Steelers, Texans or Jets...all will be great games, especially if its against the Jets cos Sanchez is going to suck in the snow.

Im super jealous of you. I was supposed to be there right now. The one year I get tickets for the playoffs I can't get over there had to pass them on to another friend. I hate you Hazys hate you

:D:D

ReacherCreature · 29-12-2009 6:59pm

Hazys wrote: »

Just got Patriots playoff tickets :cool:

Duuuuude. I'm f*cking jealous of you!

Awesome news.

Hynzie · 30-12-2009 8:52pm

Did any one else see the sport science show with Drew Brees on it? They test his accuracy and the results are amazing! I know Brees is great but f#ck me this is unbelievable!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoqA-LKGb4

tallaghtoutlaws · 30-12-2009 9:09pm

Hynzie wrote: »

Did any one else see the sport science show with Drew Brees on it? They test his accuracy and the results are amazing! I know Brees is great but f#ck me this is unbelievable!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoqA-LKGb4

Love that show but check this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tGY-VDx3o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7tGY-VDx3o

tallaghtoutlaws · 30-12-2009 9:15pm

Check out this one Ray Lewis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1CwwsWkQLU

ReacherCreature · 30-12-2009 9:20pm

That video only reaffirms how good it is Brees is!

davyjose · 31-12-2009 1:14am

That's ridiculous by Brees. I'm still not sure I believe it. Simply because it's too unbelievable. Amazing.

Sea Devils · 31-12-2009 1:34am

Can't belieive Brees did that. That was an incredible video

jdivision · 31-12-2009 2:33am

I wouldn't doubt Brees because he's a master at toughest throw in football - throwing to receiver's outside shoulder. The Ray lewis thing was seriously impressive, think the rugby/football thing slightly unfair, gimme a world class rugby player and a linebacker to compare him with.

tallaghtoutlaws · 31-12-2009 2:35am

jdivision wrote: »

I wouldn't doubt Brees because he's a master at toughest throw in football - throwing to receiver's outside shoulder. The Ray lewis thing was seriously impressive, think the rugby/football thing slightly unfair, gimme a world class rugby player and a linebacker to compare him with.

That Rugby V AF one was good until the narrators summary at the end. He made so many solid points and then ruined it right at the end.

davyjose · 31-12-2009 2:53am

jdivision wrote: »

I wouldn't doubt Brees because he's a master at toughest throw in football - throwing to receiver's outside shoulder. The Ray lewis thing was seriously impressive, think the rugby/football thing slightly unfair, gimme a world class rugby player and a linebacker to compare him with.

It's not that I doubt him, but for me, that's akin to a snooker player going out and getting 5 147 breaks in a row to win a game, or a tennis player serving an ace every serve in a match. To ping it ten times in a row on a horizontal axis is impressive, but nailing the distance like that ... I can't get my head around it.
I'm a fan of many, many sports, and I'm late to American Football. I initially became a fan of the Sport because I watched a Colts game, and saw just this explosive, dynamic offense and realised that far from being a boring game (as some people I know seriously, with a straight face, still attest), it was incredibly exciting. And as a Rugby fan, the physical nature of the game blew me away (always impressed me, really). I've been a Man United fan since the age of 5, have watched every popular and unpopular sport since a very early age ... I'm the guy who stays up til 3 am watching the Olympics - the winter olympics, never mind the real one. I have a strong interest in everything from F1 to Cricket. There is NO sport I don't have a fascination with. It's a freakish compulsion. I even watch bloody Archery, when it's on!!! And I will say this....

I've yet to see a piece of skill more impressive than what Brees did in that video. Honestly

jdivision · 31-12-2009 4:05pm

I'm sure he was given practice throws, thing is though, it's 20 yards straight down the middle which is bread and butter to a QB and his accuracy is elite, saints couldn't run that offence without him imo, maybe manning but I don't think Brady or Rivers would be as effective in it. You very rarely see him throwing ducks, in fact i can't remember seeing him throw one before.Manning, Rivers and Brady are up there too in accuracy but that said their throws occasionally seem to wobble more. Favre throws a hard pass but God it's ugly to look at.

Eire-Dearg · 31-12-2009 8:30pm

Those Sport Science clips make me want to get into that course even more, though I think it's beyong my reach.

Eire-Dearg · 01-01-2010 1:38am

Happy New Year, y'all.

cooker3 · 01-01-2010 4:38am

Hell yeah January means play-offs!!

Black Swan · 01-01-2010 7:15am

Hazys wrote: »

Could be against the Broncos, Ravens, Steelers, Texans or Jets...all will be great games, especially if its against the Jets cos Sanchez is going to suck in the snow.

I wouldn't write-off Sanchez just yet...

jdivision · 01-01-2010 4:04pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/01/01/brees.record.ap/index.html

Eire-Dearg · 01-01-2010 4:44pm

jdivision wrote: »

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/01/01/brees.record.ap/index.html

Feck Drew Brees, he's just thrown three interceptions for me in Madden. :pac:

Hazys · 05-01-2010 4:41pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/01/05/cushing.ap/index.html

Cushing wins defensive rookie of the year award. The 9th LB in 10 years to win the award.

The awards release schedule...offensive rookie of the year award l8r today:

January 6 (morning): defensive rookie of the year.

January 6 (afternoon): offensive rookie of the year.

January 7 (morning): comeback player of the year.

January 10: MVP.

January 13 (morning): defensive player of the year.

January 14 (morning): offensive player of the year.

January 15 (morning): All-Pro team.

January 17: coach of the year.

Matt Santos · 05-01-2010 11:35pm

Jets going into wild card weekend with this to contend with.
Any difference to the team?
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Jets-owners-daughter-passes-away.html

Prayers for her and her family.

Peyton Manning · 05-01-2010 11:53pm

What's Pacman up to these days does anybody know?

ReacherCreature · 06-01-2010 2:35am

I'm sure you mean Adam 'Pacman' Jones aye?

Just checked it up. Football wise, he's been realeased by the Winnipeg Blue Bombers for, and I quote:

However, the Blue Bombers announced on September 2 that they were no longer going to pursue Jones after Jones made some remarks on an internet video including calling the league the United Football League when it is in fact the Canadian Football League

Solid going Pac.

More reading here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jones_(American_football)

I swear you can't make some of this stuff up.

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