Leaving Cert '11/'12 Off-Topic 2

Incompetent · 01-06-2012 3:26pm

rkeano5 wrote: »

I don't know about the exam skills book, but it's easy enough to talk about the effects of Globalisation using China as an example. Do you have ''Today's World''?

I'm doing Brazil, and no I don't think so. Our teacher didn't use the book, so of course I don't have his notes any more!

FaoiSin · 01-06-2012 3:35pm

All male poets are easy

Never did see why so many people enjoy Plath's. Poppies in July is an awful poem

Also why do we have English as our first exam in the Leaving Cert? Surely it would make more sense to have Irish.

skyscraperblue · 01-06-2012 3:37pm

YeaaahFaoiSin wrote: »

All male poets are easy Never did see why so many people enjoy Plath's. Poppies in July is an awful poem

Also why do we have English as our first exam in the Leaving Cert? Surely it would make more sense to have Irish.

The order of the exams is done in such a way as to get as many people as possible finished as quickly as possible. They start with English because EVERYONE takes English, whereas there's a significant number who are exempt from Irish. (But both Englishes aren't on the same day anymore to stop our hands falling off.

)

Hayezer · 01-06-2012 3:38pm

Do we need quotes for comparative? Just realised I long lost my How many Miles to Babylon and Hamlet yay.
If we don't need quotes, Hamlet in comparative is the job

. Dancing at Lughnasa is our single text and thats fairly easy

FaoiSin · 01-06-2012 3:45pm

Ah I see. Brings to mind another question. Why is English a compulsory subject? I honestly couldn't care less about the language. It's a shame we don't speak Irish.

The High Crusade · 01-06-2012 3:45pm

skyscraperblue wrote: »

The order of the exams is done in such a way as to get as many people as possible finished as quickly as possible. They start with English because EVERYONE takes English, whereas there's a significant number who are exempt from Irish. (But both Englishes aren't on the same day anymore to stop our hands falling off. )

I like English P.1 first because what I noticed from the mocks, as I was reading through the comprehensions at the very start it calmed my nerves. Found it so helpful.

Luno · 01-06-2012 3:49pm

Lads what's your opinions on only writing about two texts for the comparative when they say "With reference to at least two texts you have studied"

rkeano5 · 01-06-2012 3:53pm

Question: Am I the only leaving cert that doesn't learn off essays for any of my subjects?

I look over previous answers in English, Geography and History but mainly just rely on knowing notes for writing the essays.

Eathrin · 01-06-2012 4:06pm

rkeano5 wrote: »

Question: Am I the only leaving cert that doesn't learn off essays for any of my subjects?

I look over previous answers in English, Geography and History but mainly just rely on knowing notes for writing the essays.

Nah I don't even write old essays, I think of new essays based on the question, obviously that's not a good thing though for the LC.
Maybe I should learn some plans.

rkeano5 · 01-06-2012 4:09pm

This counts as studying, right?

rkeano5 · 01-06-2012 4:10pm

Eathrin wrote: »

Nah I don't even write old essays, I think of new essays based on the question, obviously that's not a good thing though for the LC.
Maybe I should learn some plans.

Making out plans is the most I ever do,but hey, it's worked so far for me:cool:

reznov · 01-06-2012 4:29pm

rkeano5 wrote: »

Question: Am I the only leaving cert that doesn't learn off essays for any of my subjects?

I look over previous answers in English, Geography and History but mainly just rely on knowing notes for writing the essays.

Haven't learned off a single essay since the beginning of 5th year. Pointless to do so when questions are specific. Use your creativity and maximise potential marks. You'll be safe for the purpose aspect instantly.

reznov · 01-06-2012 4:30pm

Eathrin wrote: »

Nah I don't even write old essays, I think of new essays based on the question, obviously that's not a good thing though for the LC.
Maybe I should learn some plans.

Respect for creativity and imaginaitive, original answers.

finality · 01-06-2012 4:31pm

M&S* wrote: »

Lads what's your opinions on only writing about two texts for the comparative when they say "With reference to at least two texts you have studied"

Bad idea. I don't even know why they say "at least 2", I think they actually say in the marking scheme to deduct marks if less than 3 texts are used.

skyscraperblue · 01-06-2012 4:36pm

finality wrote: »

Bad idea. I don't even know why they say "at least 2", I think they actually say in the marking scheme to deduct marks if less than 3 texts are used.

They don't - the marking scheme also says 'at least two'. Seems like a reeeeeally dodgy strategy though...

reznov · 01-06-2012 4:37pm

Use three texts if it is the 70 marker.
If 30/40, reference one in the 30 marker and two in the forty.

finality · 01-06-2012 4:38pm

skyscraperblue wrote: »

They don't - the marking scheme also says 'at least two'. Seems like a reeeeeally dodgy strategy though...

Yeah I think I imagined that. :L But you definitely lose marks :P

Togepi · 01-06-2012 4:41pm

reznov wrote: »

Haven't learned off a single essay since the beginning of 5th year. Pointless to do so when questions are specific. Use your creativity and maximise potential marks. You'll be safe for the purpose aspect instantly.

Does that mean you learned off essays for the Junior Cert? :eek:

smithy77 · 01-06-2012 4:42pm

Just a quick question:p :

Would a persuasive essay be the same as a persuasive speech (2003 composition q.2 = Write a persuasive article or essay in which you attempt to convince people of the meaning and importance of heroes in life)

reznov · 01-06-2012 4:50pm

Togepi wrote: »

Does that mean you learned off essays for the Junior Cert? :eek:

No of course not. Don't be silly. :P I did feck all for JC.

Togepi · 01-06-2012 4:55pm

reznov wrote: »

No of course not. Don't be silly. :P I did feck all for JC.

Good! I was getting worried there. :P

reznov · 01-06-2012 4:57pm

Togepi wrote: »

Good! I was getting worried there. :P

As if anybody takes the JC seriously. "Sure it's just the junior."

*2 years pass*

"Ah sure I'll repeat the leaving."

Mysteriouschic · 01-06-2012 5:00pm

Historykitten wrote: »

Happy happy birthday Don't study too much today Little break can't hurt

Oh Joey I member you telling me that we have to do something after economics, like our whole class :P last class to have an exam in that school :P
ha btw did you hear the roof is coming off while we are doing the leaving ? :rolleyes: our school truly hates us :P

Thanks haha I did much less than planned only learnt one geography essay and spent 2hours learning sequences and series. I still have a lot more to do today

.

PictureFrame wrote: »

Human Elective for Geography is done. 13 essays, took me 5 hours to learn them all! Now I have 4 Geoecology essays to try and get done today, if I get them all covered i'll be happy! Physical is fairly handy so i've only Regional to do and I should be covered for the A hopefully!

How do you learn off 13 essays in 5 hours? do you just recite them and memorise them?

David1994 · 01-06-2012 5:02pm

Just did an Irish listening there....
Feel like a boss for nearly getting everything right :cool:

Diamondsandrose · 01-06-2012 5:09pm

Here for the Hamlet essay does anyone write quotes in a different colour to make them stand out? Only just thought of it there but I'm not sure if it'd be appropriate for an English exam?

reznov · 01-06-2012 5:10pm

Diamondsandrose wrote: »

Here for the Hamlet essay does anyone write quotes in a different colour to make them stand out? Only just thought of it there but I'm not sure if it'd be appropriate for an English exam?

Always have done so. Don't use a red coloured ink.

The High Crusade · 01-06-2012 5:11pm

Diamondsandrose wrote: »

Here for the Hamlet essay does anyone write quotes in a different colour to make them stand out? Only just thought of it there but I'm not sure if it'd be appropriate for an English exam?

I just put the quotation marks in red to make them more noticeable.

reznov wrote: »

Always have done so. Don't use a red coloured ink.

oh

FaoiSin · 01-06-2012 5:12pm

Diamondsandrose wrote: »

Here for the Hamlet essay does anyone write quotes in a different colour to make them stand out? Only just thought of it there but I'm not sure if it'd be appropriate for an English exam?

No need. Waste of time :pac:

rkeano5 · 01-06-2012 5:12pm

Diamondsandrose wrote: »

Here for the Hamlet essay does anyone write quotes in a different colour to make them stand out? Only just thought of it there but I'm not sure if it'd be appropriate for an English exam?

My teacher advised strongly against that, particularly if it's in red.

Diamondsandrose · 01-06-2012 5:14pm

Woah mixed messages!

Dunno, I've been told to do it in the likes of ABQs in business but obviously that's not an english exam!

reznov · 01-06-2012 5:19pm

I prefer to do it as it highlights to the examiner your supporting points. Just as in Business ABQs so he can instantly recognises you've linked to the question asked and will give you a mark. Of course, if you have very few references, you should just hide behind the shroud of black/blue ink to disguise the lack of quotes.

Personal preference.

Luno · 01-06-2012 5:22pm

finality wrote: »

Yeah I think I imagined that. :L But you definitely lose marks :P

I read the 2011 marking scheme and looked through the chief examiner's report. It never says anywhere to deduct marks if only two texts are used. I'll keep it safe and talk about three but I just can't see how they could deduct marks off you when they basically say you can use two texts.

ConTheCat · 01-06-2012 5:23pm

Gave my cousin my laptop until after the LC. Thought I would be too lazy to use Mammy's. Here for 2 hours in bed

skyscraperblue · 01-06-2012 5:28pm

I've never done this quotes-in-a-different-colour thing. To me it detracts from the flow of the essay, both for me writing it and for someone else reading it. But it's personal preference.

Diamondsandrose · 01-06-2012 5:37pm

Also I'm reeeally hoping a question on soliloquies comes up for Hamlet. Surely it's due up this year?

reznov · 01-06-2012 5:40pm

Nah. Anything can come up for Hamlet. Know the play and its key scenes to ensure maximum marks. Have a variety of quotes prepared. Soliloquies are suited to most answers, perfect for reflecting Hamlet's ever dynamic state of mind.

Diamondsandrose · 01-06-2012 5:51pm

reznov wrote: »

Nah. Anything can come up for Hamlet. Know the play and its key scenes to ensure maximum marks. Have a variety of quotes prepared. Soliloquies are suited to most answers, perfect for reflecting Hamlet's ever dynamic state of mind.

****, I'm only preparing soliloquies, role of women and deception. Hopefully that covers most things so I can work around any question.

Thoughts on the poetry? I'm doing Heaney, Plath and either Frost or Rich I'm not sure which one yet!

Manic2 · 01-06-2012 6:07pm

Yano the way you shouldn't use red/green colour pens for quotes?

Would it be ok to use like purple or some colour like that, yano the way you can get multi-coloured clicky pens?

Eathrin · 01-06-2012 6:13pm

Why bother changing colours? They don't mark your paper after glancing at it. Your essay will gain you marks, not "look at me I'm quoting!"

PictureFrame · 01-06-2012 6:21pm

Diamondsandrose wrote: »

Here for the Hamlet essay does anyone write quotes in a different colour to make them stand out? Only just thought of it there but I'm not sure if it'd be appropriate for an English exam?

NO. That'd really infuriate an examiner and it's a big waste of time swapping from pen to pen in my opinion! What i've always done to make my quotes stand out is use this method (and it makes the essay look extra long :P)

We see Polonius' cynicism regarding young love and human relationships when he utilises animal imagery to describe how Hamlet:

'Walks with a larger tether'

He also says how he will:

'loose his daughter'

Maybe it's a bad idea but I always skip lines!

Polonius babe, please be on the paper

:P

Manic2 · 01-06-2012 6:21pm

I'm kind of a perfectionist/ocd kinda person. :L

Must be beautiful and colourful :L

reznov · 01-06-2012 6:22pm

Eathrin wrote: »

Why bother changing colours? They don't mark your paper after glancing at it. Your essay will gain you marks, not "look at me I'm quoting!"

I find it easier to the eye. Haven't lost marks for it either at JC or up to this point in the LC.

Eathrin · 01-06-2012 6:27pm

PictureFrame wrote: »

NO. That'd really infuriate an examiner and it's a big waste of time swapping from pen to pen in my opinion! What i've always done to make my quotes stand out is use this method (and it makes the essay look extra long :P)

We see Polonius' cynicism regarding young love and human relationships when he utilises animal imagery to describe how Hamlet:

'Walks with a larger tether'

He also says how he will:

'loose his daughter'

Maybe it's a bad idea but I always skip lines!

Polonius babe, please be on the paper :P

I'm not going to tell you not to, but my English teacher strongly recommended against this, was more in favour of incorporating quotes into your point.

reznov · 01-06-2012 6:29pm

PictureFrame wrote: »

NO. That'd really infuriate an examiner and it's a big waste of time swapping from pen to pen in my opinion! What i've always done to make my quotes stand out is use this method (and it makes the essay look extra long :P)

We see Polonius' cynicism regarding young love and human relationships when he utilises animal imagery to describe how Hamlet:

'Walks with a larger tether'

He also says how he will:

'loose his daughter'

Maybe it's a bad idea but I always skip lines!

Polonius babe, please be on the paper :P

Unrecommended proceduree unless you're quoting paragraphs.

deathbythelc · 01-06-2012 6:34pm

I've always changed pen colour for quotes... It's not annoying for me so that's not a problem... But will I annoy an examiner by having different colours?

Edit: I know red/green can't be used... But if I wrote in black and quoted in blue?

PictureFrame · 01-06-2012 6:35pm

Thanks Eathrin and reznov babes for the advice!

Togepi · 01-06-2012 6:36pm

@PictureFrame have to agree with Eathrin and reznov, you're only meant to go onto a new line for a quote if it's very long (ie. a couple of lines), and those kind of quotes aren't recommended. It's much better to just slip them into your sentences so they flow nicely together. I'd personally find the format you use hard to read because it breaks up the sentence, but if you want to do it that way by all means go for it!

galwaymusic · 01-06-2012 6:39pm

Are you allowed to change the colour of pens for quotes? For example green or black?

Togepi · 01-06-2012 6:40pm

galwaymusic wrote: »

Are you allowed to change the colour of pens for quotes? For example green or black?

You're allowed to change colour as much as you want, but try to avoid using green or red because the examiners use those colours and you don't want to make things confusing!

Cruel Sun · 01-06-2012 6:42pm

How much do you write when your explaining a point in business, lets say for a 20 mark question (so 4 points). How much would you write, two or three sentences? Also could someone please tell me when you put in examples. Thanks.

Leaving Cert '11/'12 Off-Topic 2

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