is Aldo trying to get himself fired?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 23-07-2015 8:52pm

Business appreciates it's biggest earners, shocker ?

Mellor · 24-07-2015 7:31am

Foxtrol wrote: »

They have the same rules for several other sports so they clearly have a way of testing it.

That's completely incorrect.
The WADA prohibited list is a list of substances and methods that are banned. It’s not a list of items that are banned that we have a test for.
For years there was no test for EPO, and certain designer steroids. I’d hazard a guess that there are still a number of items that are banned with no way of testing for them.

I’m sure a lot of stuff they test for has a natural level in the human system and you get done for being over it, as it’s a sign that you’re using a PED, but they don’t release that information to the public.

Of course there a lot of the stuff has natural levels, (testosterone, EPO, Growth Hormone, Adrenaline, etc). But any threshold limits they set are openly available, they have to be, that’s how the code works.
They also set limits for non-natural substances like cannabis too btw.

Regarding plastics, Contador tested positive for elevated levels of plastic in his urine. Which suggested blood doping, but they could do little with that info alone as WADA had no recognised test or limit at the time.
They could test a fighter after a fight, and it will show high levels of plastic if he used an IV, but without a baseline from that fighter or a threshold level its useless.

Davei141 · 24-07-2015 7:43am

Foxtrol wrote: »

If Jose was the exact same person/record etc and was Irish the vast majority of Brazilian fans wouldn’t choose him over a Brazilian.

I was pointing out that in the humble, family man tripe mythology you were trying to build to be the reason why the Brazilian public like him, over the sell outs Conor and Ronda, you glaringly (and I think purposely) neglected to include the main driver which is his nationality (and initially the fact that he’s winning fights).

There are also several things that I wouldn’t like about Aldo if he was Irish, you really have him on a pedestal. BTW I have things I don’t like about Conor but support him so it would likely be the same for Jose if he was Irish.

Eh your first paragraph i'm not sure what point you are making? My point is he is the perfect fighter for a nationalistic fanbase. Not that Brazilians would choose him over a Brazilian if he was Irish.

On the bolded bit you think there would be a Conor McGregor thread if he was losing and wasn't Irish? Would he heck he would Michael Bisping Mk2. I put him on a pedestal while you have a weird hatred of the guy because he doesn't lick the UFC's hole. I guess it evens itself out.

cowzerp · 24-07-2015 10:00am

Foxtrol wrote: »

2 weeks out from a huge payday he idiotically has training partners throwing spinning kicks at him and gets injured

Sparring 2 weeks out from a fight is not unusual at all and injuries can happen even with low impact thrown, If this had happened 3-4 weeks out he still would have been out of the fight.

Conor was due to fight me years ago and got injured about 3 days out and this happens, Did he pussy out? Certainly not.

I look at Conor as a friend and a brilliant fighter who i support but his new fanboy fans are an embarrassment, When you see them going on about Aldo been a pussy and coward etc it makes me really agitated, Aldo is a machine and Conor knows that and guaranteed he respects him too.

He is playing the game and him talking things up and sometimes been mouthy etc earns him money and is smart, Gombeens repeating it like fact are getting nothing for it and are an embarrassment to real MMA fans in Ireland

Mellor · 24-07-2015 10:18am

cowzerp wrote: »

He is playing the game and him talking things up and sometimes been mouthy etc earns him money and is smart, Gombeens repeating it like fact are getting nothing for it and are an embarrassment to real MMA fans in Ireland

^100% This

At the start, we all laughed at the likes of Brimage and Porrier when they fell for his wind ups. "Slagging" is very Irish thing, and most didn't seem to have a clue what was happening.
But lately I'm baffled by Irish fans who appear completely unable to differentiate between "what Conor says" and "what Conor actually thinks".

Saipanne · 24-07-2015 10:18am

cowzerp wrote: »

Sparring 2 weeks out from a fight is not unusual at all and injuries can happen even with low impact thrown, If this had happened 3-4 weeks out he still would have been out of the fight.

Conor was due to fight me years ago and got injured about 3 days out and this happens, Did he pussy out? Certainly not.

I look at Conor as a friend and a brilliant fighter who i support but his new fanboy fans are an embarrassment, When you see them going on about Aldo been a pussy and coward etc it makes me really agitated, Aldo is a machine and Conor knows that and guaranteed he respects him too.

He is playing the game and him talking things up and sometimes been mouthy etc earns him money and is smart, Gombeens repeating it like fact are getting nothing for it and are an embarrassment to real MMA fans in Ireland

It reminds me of a piece of advice Gorgeous George gave to a young Cassius Clay.

"A lot of people will pay to see someone shut your mouth. So keep on bragging, keep on sassing and always be outrageous."

slicus ricus · 24-07-2015 10:48am

cowzerp wrote: »

I look at Conor as a friend and a brilliant fighter who i support but his new fanboy fans are an embarrassment, When you see them going on about Aldo been a pussy and coward etc it makes me really agitated, Aldo is a machine and Conor knows that and guaranteed he respects him too.

He is playing the game and him talking things up and sometimes been mouthy etc earns him money and is smart, Gombeens repeating it like fact are getting nothing for it and are an embarrassment to real MMA fans in Ireland

To be fair though, the same people you are complaining about are the ones paying money to UFC in large numbers now (and these are people who weren't interested in paying before) and thus lining Conor's pockets. In order for the game to work and earn him money, people have to believe what he's saying and they will then invest. Fact of it is, some of those who believe it will go on message forums and repeat it.

Same thing happened a few years back with Leinster rugby. The whole scene just exploded where it went from being smaller crowds of hardcore rugby people to larger crowds dominated by people who jumped on the bandwagon. This obviously frustrated the lifelong rugby people who saw the new supporters as knowing nothing about the sport but the net result was more money for Leinster which allowed them to attract good foreign players and hold onto their homegrown players (by being able to pay them better).

Basically, to earn big money, a sports organisation has to appeal to the masses. When the masses get involved, you can expect to hear a fair bit of nonsense being talked.

cowzerp · 24-07-2015 11:03am

I 100% welcome new fans but we need to let it be known this isn't the norm for Irish MMA, irish MMA fans are very well up on the art imo.

These are bandwagon fan's and not MMA or even UFC fans, Maybe some will become MMA fans in time but many will disappear when they get bored or if Conor loses.

Doug Cartel · 24-07-2015 11:10am

cowzerp wrote: »

I look at Conor as a friend and a brilliant fighter who i support but his new fanboy fans are an embarrassment, When you see them going on about Aldo been a pussy and coward etc it makes me really agitated, Aldo is a machine and Conor knows that and guaranteed he respects him too.

The way I see it, Conor gets a lot of leeway to say what he wants about Aldo because eventually he's going to be in a cage with him and if Conor doesn't live up to his talk, it's his face and ego that's going to take a battering.

That lad on the sidelines calling Aldo a coward? Yeah, he'd change his tune if he had to fight him himself.

slicus ricus · 24-07-2015 11:13am

cowzerp wrote: »

I 100% welcome new fans but we need to let it be known this isn't the norm for Irish MMA, irish MMA fans are very well up on the art imo.

These are bandwagon fan's and not MMA or even UFC fans, Maybe some will become MMA fans in time but many will disappear when they get bored or if Conor loses.

I completely agree that the views you are talking about are not representative of the views of Irish MMA fans. It happens in every sport though but as you say, people will either become informed fans or eventually disappear so at least it's a temporary annoyance!

raze_them_all_ · 24-07-2015 2:36pm

cowzerp wrote: »

I 100% welcome new fans but we need to let it be known this isn't the norm for Irish MMA, irish MMA fans are very well up on the art imo.

These are bandwagon fan's and not MMA or even UFC fans, Maybe some will become MMA fans in time but many will disappear when they get bored or if Conor loses.

Exactly this, these are the same fans that will go to the 6 nations game when Ireland are about to win the grand slam etc. They are there for an event, not there for the event. In my home town of about 5,000 a group of 6 went over to the fights, not one of them could name another Irish fighter bar Conor, What do you think of cathal? Who? How about paddy? I've never seen him on tv??

Saipanne · 24-07-2015 2:42pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Exactly this, these are the same fans that will go to the 6 nations game when Ireland are about to win the grand slam etc. They are there for an event, not there for the event. In my home town of about 5,000 a group of 6 went over to the fights, not one of them could name another Irish fighter bar Conor, What do you think of cathal? Who? How about paddy? I've never seen him on tv??

Not all new fans are like that, though. Some do genuinely get into the sport, even if McGregor is their first exposure to it.

Foxtrol · 24-07-2015 2:44pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Sparring 2 weeks out from a fight is not unusual at all and injuries can happen even with low impact thrown, If this had happened 3-4 weeks out he still would have been out of the fight.

Conor was due to fight me years ago and got injured about 3 days out and this happens, Did he pussy out? Certainly not.

I look at Conor as a friend and a brilliant fighter who i support but his new fanboy fans are an embarrassment, When you see them going on about Aldo been a pussy and coward etc it makes me really agitated, Aldo is a machine and Conor knows that and guaranteed he respects him too.

He is playing the game and him talking things up and sometimes been mouthy etc earns him money and is smart, Gombeens repeating it like fact are getting nothing for it and are an embarrassment to real MMA fans in Ireland

This must take the 2015 award for the post with the most strawman arguments.

Good job at fishing for thanks by attempting to link me to people who are calling Aldo a pussy/coward when I’ve never said that!

Also, did I say sparring two weeks out shouldn’t happen? I said that in a situation where you spent years moaning about being underpaid it is stupid two weeks out from your massive payday that you have a guy you don’t really know throwing spinning kicks at you. Yes, injuries can happen at low impact but from all reports this injury didn’t come from that.

raze_them_all_ · 24-07-2015 2:44pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

This must take the 2015 award for the post with the most strawman arguments.

Good job at fishing for thanks by attempting to link me to people who are calling Aldo a pussy/coward when I’ve never said that!

Also, did I say sparring two weeks out shouldn’t happen? I said that in a situation where you spent years moaning about being underpaid it is stupid two weeks out from your massive payday that you have a guy you don’t really know throwing spinning kicks at you. Yes, injuries can happen at low impact but from all reports this injury didn’t come from that.

Thats cowzer for ya, well known for his fishing for likes on boards:rolleyes:

Foxtrol · 24-07-2015 3:11pm

Davei141 wrote: »

Eh your first paragraph i'm not sure what point you are making? My point is he is the perfect fighter for a nationalistic fanbase. Not that Brazilians would choose him over a Brazilian if he was Irish.

On the bolded bit you think there would be a Conor McGregor thread if he was losing and wasn't Irish? Would he heck he would Michael Bisping Mk2. I put him on a pedestal while you have a weird hatred of the guy because he doesn't lick the UFC's hole. I guess it evens itself out.

Good job at changing your tune.

What you said was that Brazilians love him because he’s a humble, family man etc etc, when compared to the sell outs Ronda and Conor, you ignored the main reason why they love him is because he is Brazilian and winning. If he was cocky and arrogant and winning they’d still love him, your original rationale was total bull****.

I have rational reasons to dislike Jose as I’m sure you have the same for disliking Conor. The fact you cant see any reason why someone might dislike Aldo shows how much of deluded fanboy you are for him.

Davei141 · 24-07-2015 3:19pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Good job at changing your tune.

What you said was that Brazilians love him because he’s a humble, family man etc etc, when compared to the sell outs Ronda and Conor, you ignored the main reason why they love him is because he is Brazilian and winning. If he was cocky and arrogant and winning they’d still love him, your original rationale was total bull****.

I have rational reasons to dislike Jose as I’m sure you have the same for disliking Conor. The fact you cant see any reason why someone might dislike Aldo shows how much of deluded fanboy you are for him.

I think the only person coming across deluded here is you, with your hatred for Aldo because the UFC doesn't like him and because he isn't a lick arse. It is flat out pathetic, sure most of your opinions regarding him wouldn't be out of place coming straight from Dana White's mouth. I'm not even a huge fan of Aldo but i seriously respect him, the fact you can't even respect the guy and call me a deluded fanboy for calling out your nonsense is weird.

No doubt this time last year you didn't hate Aldo. "Rational reasons" yeah we get it hes a whinger, hes stupid, he won't do anything, won't toe the UFC party line. Yeah very rational.

slicus ricus · 24-07-2015 3:53pm

What is going on here!

I personally have a lot of respect for both McGregor and Aldo, both are exceptional fighters and I am really looking forward to seeing them fight, it's gonna be epic!

There is no doubt that McGregor is the UFC's main draw at the moment (along with Ronda Rousey). He attracts a mainstream interest to the sport that very few before him have been able to do. There's a number of factors for this which we are all aware of (personality, attitude, ability to talk a great game, has backed up his talk, etc). I personally like that side of things, I enjoy the stuff Conor comes out with and find it very entertaining. I know there's others who are not interested in that part of it and just want to watch the fights so each to their own.

Aldo is a completely different person than McGregor with a very different personality and would probably never have the same mainstream appeal no matter what he does. Despite that, I think the guy could probably do more to promote himself and the UFC and would benefit financially as a result. There's a lot of things that he himself could do (but is unwilling to do) that would sort out his complaints directed at the UFC regarding money. Does any of that make me dislike the guy? No, I have a lot of respect for the way he chooses to live his life (staying in his hometown, humble nature, strong family values, etc). However, I think it's a case of not being able to have it both ways though.

In terms of Aldo's injury withdrawals, 5 just seems like a lot. Either he has been extremely unfortunate, is badly breaking down due to wear and tear, or there's something more than meets the eye. I would be interested to hear what people think on this. Am I crazy for thinking 5 injury withdrawals is a bit odd?

cowzerp · 24-07-2015 4:02pm

slicus ricus wrote: »

In terms of Aldo's injury withdrawals, 5 just seems like a lot. Either he has been extremely unfortunate, is badly breaking down due to wear and tear, or there's something more than meets the eye. I would be interested to hear what people think on this. Am I crazy for thinking 5 injury withdrawals is a bit odd?

Some people are more injury prone than others, 5 times in 10 years isn't as bad as it is made out, He actually has been as if not not more active than the other champions with 2 fights a year in that period

I've took part in 2 fights while ill and 1 while injured and 2 of them went badly due to the problems, now as UFC champion it's far more serious getting in there not close to 100%

Also everyone is going on about Aldo's number of pullouts, where is the figures on all the other fighters pull outs over their last 10 years fighting

Foxtrol · 24-07-2015 4:07pm

Davei141 wrote: »

I think the only person coming across deluded here is you, with your hatred for Aldo because the UFC doesn't like him and because he isn't a lick arse. It is flat out pathetic, sure most of your opinions regarding him wouldn't be out of place coming straight from Dana White's mouth. I'm not even a huge fan of Aldo but i seriously respect him, the fact you can't even respect the guy and call me a deluded fanboy for calling out your nonsense is weird.

No doubt this time last year you didn't hate Aldo. "Rational reasons" yeah we get it hes a whinger, hes stupid, he won't do anything, won't toe the UFC party line. Yeah very rational.

Disagreeing or questioning how someone approaches a situation isn’t hatred. I’ve disagreed with plenty of things that McGregor and the UFC have done over the years, does that mean I hate them too? I’m just one big ball of hate or maybe you just really enjoy hyperbole!

I loved Aldo during the WEC days but since he’s joined the UFC I feel he’s lost his killer instinct (for whatever reason) but I still respect him as a fighter. On the other hand over the years how he conducts himself outside the cage has worn away the respect I have for him as a person.

I’m not sure why you have such a hump with the UFC and jump on anything/anyone that’s speaking out against them.

slicus ricus · 24-07-2015 4:08pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Also everyone is going on about Aldo's number of pullouts, where is the figures on all the other fighters pull outs over their last 10 years fighting

Googled it and this came up:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/7/8907669/mma-ufc-news-list-of-fighters-who-pull-out-of-the-most-fights

Aldo has 6 altogether including 1 in WEC. There's lads there with way more that have gone un-noticed! John Jones has 5, remember 1 or 2 but didn't think there were 5!

darced · 24-07-2015 4:08pm

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Foxtrol · 24-07-2015 4:53pm

darced wrote: »

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Using what sort of maths?

If you go back 11/12 months from today he’s fought 3 times.

darced · 24-07-2015 4:56pm

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Foxtrol · 24-07-2015 4:58pm

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And Aldo would have fought once in 23 months.

So using your maths Conor is twice as active as Aldo. :rolleyes:

darced · 24-07-2015 5:10pm

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dave1982 · 24-07-2015 5:39pm

My head !!!

Foxtrol · 24-07-2015 5:48pm

darced wrote: »

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You’re cherry picking Conor’s stats (11.5 months FFS) to make it seem like Aldo isn’t that inactive but your methodology still shows he’s half as active as Conor during a quiet period for him.

Aldo isn’t an extremely active fighter, he’s stated that he likes fighting twice a year at max, there’s no need to try to cherry pick stats to tie him with known active fighters.

raze_them_all_ · 24-07-2015 5:54pm

darced wrote: »

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because he forgot an "L" at the end of his username. He is purely looking for a rise.

Fromvert · 24-07-2015 6:04pm

Every sport has lots of players who get injured constantly, some people are just more fragile than others and some won't compete if they're not feeling close to 100%. Some people will even play their sport through pain because of their mentality (some will say stupidity).

Totally different sport but Roy Keane said he could never understand players who wouldn't play with knocks or through the pain until he was sitting in his car in his mid thirties and couldn't get up out of it because his body was so broken. And that's football!

There's too much for Aldo to lose by competing injured, as shown above Jon Jones has pulled out a lot, he also wouldn't fight Sonnen on 2 weeks notice. For champs especially, the risk of fighting injured is not worth the reward, they've worked harder than any of us can imagine to get the belt and people want them to risk it all for us. Go **** yourself!

Foxtrol · 24-07-2015 6:09pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

because he forgot an "L" at the end of his username. He is purely looking for a rise.

Apologies for daring to question the great infallible Aldo.

darced · 24-07-2015 6:12pm

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dave1982 · 24-07-2015 7:04pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Apologies for daring to question the great infallible Aldo.

Will conor remain unbeaten for 10 years as Aldo has done ?

Ctrl Alt Delete · 24-07-2015 7:39pm

Aldo and the UFCs problem with him regarding not making enough money imo boils down to the very simple fact that he doesn't speak or attempt to speak English which severely limits his exposure particularly given the UFCs main market is English speaking countries.

I'd be considered by some here not a true MMA fan but I find that type of attitude laughable in the extreme. Even on a local level more people interested in the sport means more money for gyms, fights etc otherwise "your" sport dies.

I don't care if your friends with Conor or not your opinion is no more or less valid than mine or anyone else for that matter.

Finally, was Conor not carrying a far more serious injury than Aldo going into that fight?

dave1982 · 24-07-2015 7:49pm

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/23/9027427/ufc-fight-fixing-allegations-wanderlei-silva-social-media-campaign-pro-wrestling-mma-news

Wandy claims to have proof ufc have fixed fights!

darced · 24-07-2015 8:57pm

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Easy Rod · 24-07-2015 10:32pm

dave1982 wrote: »

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/23/9027427/ufc-fight-fixing-allegations-wanderlei-silva-social-media-campaign-pro-wrestling-mma-news

Wandy claims to have proof ufc have fixed fights!

Wandy says a lot of things.

Mellor · 25-07-2015 6:10am

slicus ricus wrote: »

Googled it and this came up:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/7/7/8907669/mma-ufc-news-list-of-fighters-who-pull-out-of-the-most-fights

Aldo has 6 altogether including 1 in WEC. There's lads there with way more that have gone un-noticed! John Jones has 5, remember 1 or 2 but didn't think there were 5!

Jones' 5 is misleading.
They are including UFC151 when Hendo got injured and Jones declined to fight Chael on a few days notice.
They are also including 177, which was announced prematurely then moved to 178, so not really a pull out. He pulled out of 178 though. Then the last one is the rumble hit after the hit and run, not a pull out he was removed.

So only 2 of the 5 are really pull outs due to injury.

Tox56 · 25-07-2015 3:11pm

darced wrote: »

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Kavanagh said he had it, so its hardly just a rumour

slicus ricus · 25-07-2015 6:13pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Kavanagh said he had it, so its hardly just a rumour

Yeh, JK said it on the MMA hour. He said Conor had a pretty serious knee injury which was only fully healed up 2 weeks prior to the fight. He said they didn't want to risk it flaring up again in the 2 weeks leading up to the fight so they weren't able to train any full speed live wrestling.

He also said that when Aldo pulled, he thought maybe this would be a good time for Conor to pull out. He said Conor was having none of that though.

raze_them_all_ · 25-07-2015 6:24pm

Tox56 wrote: »

Kavanagh said he had it, so its hardly just a rumour

I think he was pointing out the double standards, Aldo proves he has a legit injury and gets called a pussy and coward by people, conors teams says he has an injury and it's accepted as gospel

Ctrl Alt Delete · 25-07-2015 6:57pm

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

I think he was pointing out the double standards, Aldo proves he has a legit injury and gets called a pussy and coward by people, conors teams says he has an injury and it's accepted as gospel

I think reason most take it at face value from the Conor camp though is that this is the well known recurrent knee issue he has had since that fight when he injured his cruciate against Max Holloway.

Where in Aldo case there seems to be a case of the rib was bruised then broken or vice versa and alot of that has to with the various websites putting out misinformation and misquoting

jcd5971 · 30-07-2015 1:47pm

dave1982 wrote: »

Will conor remain unbeaten for 10 years as Aldo has done ?

Great record for aldo but in fairness he fights rarely on 7 fights in nearly 5 years.

is Aldo trying to get himself fired?

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