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22yo man on disability benefit charged with Phoenix Park gig assault

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  • #52
    ElleEm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭ElleEm


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    Mad for the mickey you are.:pac:
    The only thing i care about in relation to his aid, is it being stopped.
    Fair play for standing up for criminal disability scumbags though.


    Do they stop Jobseekers when people commit crimes? Do you campaign for that to happen?


  • #53
    tmc86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭tmc86


    At least with whatever disability he has he certainly looks like a happy go lucky chap with a whopping smile- fair play!


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ElleEm wrote: »
    Do they stop Jobseekers when people commit crimes? Do you campaign for that to happen?

    lulz, they should.
    Do i campaign? lol
    Give us a little dance there ellen.


  • #55
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    Mad for the mickey you are.:pac:
    The only thing i care about in relation to his aid, is it being stopped.
    Fair play for standing up for criminal disability scumbags though.

    And that's supposed to offend me? I make a damn good point of being clear I couldn't give a shit whether I fuck girls or guys.
    Nice of you to keep that bit about me in mind though. Apt username in all.

    I'm not defending him for a second! A dumbass would. I just don't get the massive emphasis on his welfare. He stabbed somebody. That should be most important and then to tackle his benefits swiftly afterwards.


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    1ZRed wrote: »
    And that's supposed to offend me? I make a damn good point of being clear I couldn't give a fuck whether I **** girls or guys.
    Nice of you to keep that bit about me in mind though. Apt username in all.
    Why? do you want it to offend you?
    It was actually in reference to my username but sure whatever you say.
    I'm not defending him for a second. A dumbass would. I just don't get the massive emphasis on his welfare. He stabbed somebody. That should be most important and then to tackle his benefits swiftly afterwards.
    Glad to hear it, i still think there are far better candidates out there for your defence of their rights.


  • #57
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    has anyone read the article? he didnt stab anyone, he assaulted an off duty guard.

    'man attacks off duty guard' would have been a better headline than 'man on disability charged at shm gig with assault'

    the disability benefit shouldn't be the main focus of the story is the point that is trying to be made if i'm not mistaken?


  • #58
    ElleEm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭ElleEm


    davet82 wrote: »
    has anyone read the article? he didnt stab anyone, he assaulted an off duty guard.

    'man attacks off duty guard' would have been a better headline than 'man on disability charged at shm gig with assault'

    the disability benefit shouldn't be the main focus of the story is the point that is trying to be made if i'm not mistaken?

    Gold star for you!!!! It seems the point is being missed.


  • #59
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    Glad to hear it, i still think there are far better candidates out there for your defence of their rights.
    Again, I'm not defending him. It was kind of made out that if he was able to go assaulting somebody he was well enough not to be entitled to disability. That was the only thing I got from the some vibes here. That's the only thing I wasn't agreeing with, the rest I fully get.

    Obviously I don't agree with him getting his full benefits for what he's done of course, but put that in the title and it's just an excuse to go talking shite about welfare/benefits again and again.


  • #60
    geeky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Junkies get the disablity or illness benefit instead of dole i think

    Don't think he's a junkie. Grand set of nashers on him.


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  • #61
    petersburg2002
    Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭petersburg2002


    Vicar in a tutu wrote: »
    in fairness I think people are vexed because there are plenty of people with disabilities that find it hard to get any benefits, or carers too, when this little genius is out assaulting people and having the time of his life at a swedish house mafia gig, noone would bat an eyelid about his disability if he went and behaved, but the fact that he felt the need to assault someone would anger those that have relatives still waiting on any kind of disability benefit etc.


    Mickeys aside, I think this sums up what a lot of us are thinking. And I think anyone who commits a crime where other people are assaulted should have their benefits (be it jobseekers, disability or whatever) either reduced or docked for a prolonged period.


  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    1ZRed wrote: »
    Again, I'm not defending him. It was kind of made out that if he was able to go assaulting somebody he was well enough not to be entitled to disability. That was the only thing I got from the some vibes here. That's the only thing I wasn't agreeing with, the rest I fully get.

    Obviously I don't agree with him getting his full benefits for what he's done but of course, but put that in the title and it's just an excuse to go taking shite about welfare/benefits again and again.

    Well the thread title will sort of influence people opinions before they come in, i agree.


  • #63
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    1ZRed wrote: »
    Alright stop. You don't know what is medically wrong with him so you shouldn't be making any such hints that he wasn't entitled to his disability benefit. We don't know whether he was or wasn't.

    That's not relevant. What's relevant is what he did and getting the appropriate punishment for it.

    I feel sick.


  • #64
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Uriel. wrote: »
    I feel sick.
    Read along my posts. I think I was getting misunderstood with what I meant.
    I don't know where people got I was defending him. I agree with a lot of what's been said I just thought his assault charge would be the thing to get the focus, and then the welfare afterwards.


  • #65
    oc_pl
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭oc_pl


    It makes me sick to see scum like that getting dissability benefits, I was taken out of my job for 6 months due to being diagnosed with epilepsy. My sick pay from work stopped and i tried to get money from the social and they told me i wasn't entitled to it because epilepsy isn't an illness its a condition.


  • #66
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    oc_pl wrote: »
    It makes me sick to see scum like that getting dissability benefits, I was taken out of my job for 6 months due to being diagnosed with epilepsy. My sick pay from work stopped and i tried to get money from the social and they told me i wasn't entitled to it because epilepsy isn't an illness its a condition.

    **** sake.:mad:


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  • #67
    latenia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭latenia


    A skanger called Seán attacks a garda called Wayne-it's like bizarro world.


  • #68
    DeltaWhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭DeltaWhite


    oc_pl wrote: »
    It makes me sick to see scum like that getting dissability benefits, I was taken out of my job for 6 months due to being diagnosed with epilepsy. My sick pay from work stopped and i tried to get money from the social and they told me i wasn't entitled to it because epilepsy isn't an illness its a condition.


    That is a disgrace...:eek:


  • #69
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    petersburg2002 wrote: »
    Sorry, are you a Boards Moderator now? People who go around assaulting others shouldnt get State benefits, plain and simple.

    Theres nothing as guaranteed to make somebody honest as taking away all their money. Never fails. Never, ever, ever, ever.


  • #70
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    petersburg2002 wrote: »
    Mickeys aside, I think this sums up what a lot of us are thinking. And I think anyone who commits a crime where other people are assaulted should have their benefits (be it jobseekers, disability or whatever) either reduced or docked for a prolonged period.

    If you reduced or docked peoples benefits would that lead them to commit more crime or force them into deeper poverty ?


  • #71
    jd007
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭jd007


    I'd love for him to read this thread. Well thats if he was able to read.


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  • #72
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    He looks like an awful ****in' eejit in fairness, running around the place with a big smiley head on him wearing his fat man pants. Seriously who wears fat man pants to court :rolleyes:


  • #73
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    He looks like an awful ****in' eejit in fairness, running around the place with a big smiley head on him wearing his fat man pants. Seriously who wears fat man pants to court :rolleyes:
    I could never understand anyone who would go to court and not look respectable when their about to get a sentence.

    Fat man pants are fucking great for drinking beer and eating pizza on the couch though, but that'd be about it :p


  • #74
    petersburg2002
    Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭petersburg2002


    mattjack wrote: »
    If you reduced or docked peoples benefits would that lead them to commit more crime or force them into deeper poverty ?

    Perhaps it might make them think twice before assaulting people, knowing that their actions will have consequences. My sympathy rests with the innocent bystanders who get assaulted, not with these guys economic circumstances.


  • #75
    meoklmrk91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    oc_pl wrote: »
    It makes me sick to see scum like that getting dissability benefits, I was taken out of my job for 6 months due to being diagnosed with epilepsy. My sick pay from work stopped and i tried to get money from the social and they told me i wasn't entitled to it because epilepsy isn't an illness its a condition.

    Did you go to your TD regarding this, sounds like a load of bollix someone spouted to me, and if its not it's a fuppin disgrace.


  • #76
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    petersburg2002 wrote: »
    Perhaps it might make them think twice before assaulting people, knowing that their actions will have consequences.......

    Their actions already have consequences. Do you think they get the same benefits when they get locked up?


  • #77
    petersburg2002
    Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭petersburg2002


    Nodin wrote: »
    Their actions already have consequences. Do you think they get the same benefits when they get locked up?

    And how many don't get locked up. Wishful thinking on your part .


  • #78
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Just because you have a genuine disability doesn't mean you can't engage in a brief burst of violent activity if you get your rag out.:cool:

    I remember one interesting detail about the burning of the British Embassy in Dublin after the Brits had murdered a whole rake of peaceful protesters in Derry. One of the persons who subsequently appeared in court charged with throwing molotov cocktails at the embassy was a "disabled artist" (and a damn good one at that), who held his brushes in his mouth, because he had been born without arms.

    He had also developed incredible dexterity and flexibility in his feet, enabling him even to use a public phone with its A and B buttons of those days. A Garda witness said he had seen the defendent throw a molotov cocktail, but the judge threw out the case.:)


  • #79
    Wee Willy Harris
    Site Banned Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Wee Willy Harris


    petersburg2002 wrote: »
    You didnt see the menacing photo. A picture speaks a 1000 words

    the one of him lookin over his shoulder he looked a terrible nasty skank altogether. with a knife to grind


  • #80
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    petersburg2002 wrote: »
    And how many don't get locked up. .......

    .....as you're the one so het up about it, I'd imagine you'd be the one to ask.

    Did you even know they don't get benefits inside?


  • #81
    Big Mouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Big Mouth


    Nodin wrote: »
    .....as you're the one so het up about it, I'd imagine you'd be the one to ask.

    Did you even know they don't get benefits inside?

    The thing I find funny is if you and the rest of the bleeing heart liberals spent a few hours with chaps like this you probably wouldn't be so quick to defend them in every circumstance and the ironic thing is if you were in their company I pretty much know what they'd call you and think of you.

    The world is far from perfect and some people are scumbags and are horrible people who will never contribute to society bar raising more of their ilk. I am quite certain from what I've read and seen this fella is one of those scumbags.

    I'm related to people like him and I KNOW their scumbags and will never change


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  • #82
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    petersburg2002 wrote: »
    Perhaps it might make them think twice before assaulting people, knowing that their actions will have consequences. My sympathy rests with the innocent bystanders who get assaulted, not with these guys economic circumstances.

    Nobody is sympathising with the criminal , taking away somebody's benefit for a prolonged period of time leads to greater problems.He may be depending on that benefit to feed and house himself.
    Young men aren't famous for thinking out consequences.


  • #83
    Big Mouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Big Mouth


    mattjack wrote: »
    Nobody is sympathising with the criminal , taking away somebody's benefit for a prolonged period of time leads to greater problems.He may be depending on that benefit to feed and house himself.
    Young men aren't famous for thinking out consequences.

    F*ck him, give me a year or two and when he comes out reduced benefits, a firm justice system is badly lacking in this country.


  • #84
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    I hope the IMF see this.


  • #85
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Big Mouth wrote: »
    F*ck him, give me a year or two and when he comes out reduced benefits, a firm justice system is badly lacking in this country.

    Easy there Big Boy , slow down and read your posts before submitting them.


  • #86
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Big Mouth wrote: »
    The thing I find funny (.....)and will never change

    Lovely stuff.


    Whats it got to do with anything I've posted or the topic though...?


  • #87
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Big Mouth wrote: »
    F*ck him, give me a year or two and when he comes out reduced benefits, a firm justice system is badly lacking in this country.

    So after being sentenced, having done his time, he's then penalised during the period he's supposed to be going on the straight and narrow......


  • #88
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Big Mouth wrote: »
    The thing I find funny is if you and the rest of the bleeing heart liberals spent a few hours with chaps like this you probably wouldn't be so quick to defend them in every circumstance and the ironic thing is if you were in their company I pretty much know what they'd call you and think of you.

    The world is far from perfect and some people are scumbags and are horrible people who will never contribute to society bar raising more of their ilk. I am quite certain from what I've read and seen this fella is one of those scumbags.

    I'm related to people like him and I KNOW their scumbags and will never change

    I do .


  • #89
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    davet82 wrote: »
    the point is the guy could have the mental capacity of a 2 year old, the article says nothing about why he is legitimately claiming disability

    Where was his carer? Surely if he had the mental capacity of a 2 year old, he would have a carer with him at the gig?


  • #90
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Where was his carer? Surely if he had the mental capacity of a 2 year old, he would have a carer with him at the gig?
    You're right, that's a good question. I blame the missing carer ;) seriously though i'm not taking up for the scum but he may have a legitimate disability. I think i'd be more concerned about the fact that he targetted an off duty police officer but maybe i'm missing the point.


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  • #91
    Big Mouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Big Mouth


    Nodin wrote: »
    So after being sentenced, having done his time, he's then penalised during the period he's supposed to be going on the straight and narrow......

    Yeah exactly, surely it would give huge incentive to get a job wouldn't it?

    And to answer you're earlier post, a huge percentage of your near 20k posts are bleeding heart pieces. Anytime I look at boards and view one of these threads you usually throw your oar in with these Boyd-Barrett type opinions.

    I couldn't give two flying f*cks about people like him. Call me old-fashioned but my simple view of the world is work hard, enjoy life when possible, be good to your family and friends, if you have kids do your best by them and teach them respect and good manners.

    I'll mark your card now about this chap while I'm at it; I would bet my life he will re-offend numerous times throughout his life


  • #92
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Big Mouth wrote: »
    Yeah exactly, surely it would give huge incentive to get a job wouldn't it?

    Because jobs are always easy to walk into you, and never easier when you get out of prison. Great sense, that.
    Big Mouth wrote: »
    And to answer you're earlier post, a huge percentage of your near 20k posts are bleeding heart pieces. Anytime I look at boards and view one of these threads you usually throw your oar in with these Boyd-Barrett type opinions.

    O you have me well sussed, no two ways about it.

    Big Mouth wrote: »
    I couldn't give two flying f*cks about people like him..

    Yet here you are having the proverbial spasm about him. And of course, with the "fuck them" attitude, there'll be eejits like him around in every generation.


  • #93
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Scumbag attacks off duty gardai
    Boards angry that scumbag on disability benefit

    I don't get what his benefits has to do with anything
    oc_pl wrote: »
    It makes me sick to see scum like that getting dissability benefits, I was taken out of my job for 6 months due to being diagnosed with epilepsy. My sick pay from work stopped and i tried to get money from the social and they told me i wasn't entitled to it because epilepsy isn't an illness its a condition.

    will you be able to return to work? You should be entitled to Illness Benefit according to Irish Epilepsy Association
    Good luck oc_pl


  • #94
    Big Mouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Big Mouth


    Nodin wrote: »
    Because jobs are always easy to walk into you, and never easier when you get out of prison. Great sense, that.



    O you have me well sussed, no two ways about it.




    Yet here you are having the proverbial spasm about him. And of course, with the "fuck them" attitude, there'll be eejits like him around in every generation.

    Yes I do have you sussed so I'd hope that wasn't meant sarcastically, I'm only posting to put across the other view point to your rosy little world and because it makes me sick he gets disability and you're defending this.

    Unfortunately there will be eejit's like him around for generations and also people like you to defend and protect these precious little souls, I don't mean to sound too smart there but valid point.

    When I see another poster not able to claim disability for having an epilepsy "condition" it does wind me up, a person who has tried in life and lost their job versus a knacker who batters people at raves. (I know someone who knows him btw and by all accounts your typical rough scumbag)

    Whatever happened to common sense?


  • #95
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    To qualify for Disability Allowance (DA) you must:
      Have an injury, disease or physical or mental disability that has continued or may be expected to continue for at least one year
    As a result of this disability be substantially restricted in undertaking work that would otherwise be suitable for a person of your age, experience and qualifications
    Be aged between 16 and 66. When you reach 66 years of age you no longer qualify for DA, but you are assessed for a State pension.
    Satisfy a means test
    Satisfy the Habitual Residence Condition.



    So he's able to assault a guard but his disability restricts him from working, interesting


  • #96
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Big Mouth wrote: »
    Yes I do have you sussed so I'd hope that wasn't meant sarcastically, I'm only posting to put across the other view point to your rosy little world and because it makes me sick he gets disability and you're defending this.?

    So he doesn't deserve the benefit? Fascinating, because the rest of us don't even know what hes meant to be getting it for. Do please elaborate.


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  • #97
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Did he recognise the off duty cop or was it a random attack?


  • #98
    Lumbo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Lumbo


    A youtube clip of him at the gig has just been released.



  • #99
    Big Mouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Big Mouth


    Nodin wrote: »
    So he doesn't deserve the benefit? Fascinating, because the rest of us don't even know what hes meant to be getting it for. Do please elaborate.

    See post above for a legal definition. He has a "disability" but can go around battering people, you don't see why I have a problem with that?


  • #100
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Big Mouth wrote: »
    See post above for a legal definition. He has a "disability" but can go around battering people, you don't see why I have a problem with that?

    If you have one leg you can still clatter somebody with a crutch. That doesn't mean you're any less disabled.


  • #101
    Big Mouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Big Mouth


    Nodin wrote: »
    If you have one leg you can still clatter somebody with a crutch. That doesn't mean you're any less disabled.

    Yes they could I suppose whats your point? That fella hasn't a bother on him physically but I'm not going to bother anymore with this thread because you could reply with these comments all night.

    He's a proper little toe rag and I hope the judge throws the book at him


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