M50 thread

ACE_FGT · 28-03-2013 1:45pm

There was a crash at the N7 to M50 lane split this morning, an articulated lorry and a car. it was always only a matter of time....NRA still have done nothing to improve the mess they created.

Quickelles · 02-04-2013 12:49am

ACE_FGT wrote: »

There was a crash at the N7 to M50 lane split this morning, an articulated lorry and a car. it was always only a matter of time....NRA still have done nothing to improve the mess they created.

There is no money or space available to solve this by engineering. :mad:

What is needed is a 50 kph limit past Newlands Cross enforced with Extreme Prejudice. :cool:

Chris_5339762 · 02-04-2013 11:12am

Yes there is, left lane M50N only, middle lane M50S only, right lane City which then splits to two lanes further on in.

No engineering, just some line painting.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 12:40pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Yes there is, left lane M50N only, middle lane M50S only, right lane City which then splits to two lanes further on in.

No engineering, just some line painting.

The Redcow has been an accident blackspot ever since it was upgraded as part of the M50 works.

tonc76 · 02-04-2013 3:50pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The Redcow has been an accident blackspot ever since it was upgraded as part of the M50 works.

I've been looking at the RSA's road collision map for the N7/M50 interchange. Since 2008 the recorded collisions are: Fatal 1, Serious 0 & Minor 15. I believe that for the busiest junction in the country these figures do not back up your "black spot" statement.

Care to elaborate?

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:08pm

tonc76 wrote: »

I've been looking at the RSA's road collision map for the N7/M50 interchange. Since 2008 the recorded collisions are: Fatal 1, Serious 0 & Minor 15. I believe that for the busiest junction in the country these figures do not back up your "black spot" statement.

Care to elaborate?

People don't have to die or have crashes daily, in order for it to a trouble spot. Hasn't a truck literally nearly glided off one of the bridges at one time leaving it dangling over the edge. It's a dangerous interchange and the reason why there isn't a huge number of crashes is probably down to the fact the most traffic go very slow on this junctions at all approaches. The Luas P+R exit is incredibly dangerous given the the M50 to N7 outbound merges very close to it. That configuration should of never went ahead like that.

I am surprised there hasn't many pile ups yet. But I can see where you're going wth this. We shall wait till we get a huge pile up or many fatalities on this junction in order for it to be fixed. It's the way to go hey.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:11pm

tonc76 wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Don't we all love to elaborate and get away from the point don't we. It's how it is in Ireland.

listermint · 02-04-2013 4:11pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

People don't have to die or have crashes daily, in order for it to a trouble spot. Hasn't a truck literally nearly glided off one of the bridges at one time leaving it dangling over the edge. It's a dangerous interchange and the reason why there isn't a huge number of crashes is probably down to the fact the most traffic go very slow on this junctions at all approaches. The Luas P+R exit is incredibly dangerous given the the M50 to N7 outbound merges very close to it. That configuration should of never went ahead like that.

I am surprised there hasn't many pile ups yet. But I can see where you're going wth this. We shall wait till we get a huge pile up or many fatalities on this junction in order for it to be fixed. It's the way to go hey.

SO the stats dont back up anything you are saying then....

riiiigght....

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:15pm

listermint wrote: »

SO the stats dont back up anything you are saying then....

riiiigght....

Are you taking the piss? What are you saying then, this is a safe junction?. There has been a truck overturned again just two months ago. There has been crashes on this junction. Just because many people haven't died on this junction doesn't mean that this road junction is up to "a safe standard" This junction is relatively new don't forget.

listermint · 02-04-2013 4:20pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Are you taking the piss? What are you saying then, this is a safe junction?. There has been a truck overturned again just two months ago. There has been countless crashes on this junction. Just because many people haven't died on this junction doesn't mean that this road junction is up to "a safe standard" This junction is relatively new don't forget.

New since when ? This upgrade occured in 2007. Thats new is it ?

The junction is entirely safe and the stats back it up. Your willy nilly scaremongering with zero facts isnt going to make you correct in fact it shows your complete lack of knowledge on the matter.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:22pm

listermint wrote: »

New since when ? This upgrade occured in 2007. Thats new is it ?

The junction is entirely safe and the stats back it up. Your willy nilly scaremongering with zero facts isnt going to make you correct in fact it shows your complete lack of knowledge on the matter.

lol.

tonc76 · 02-04-2013 4:24pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

People don't have to die or have crashes daily, in order for it to a trouble spot. Hasn't a truck literally nearly glided off one of the bridges at one time leaving it dangling over the edge. It's a dangerous interchange and the reason why there isn't a huge number of crashes is probably down to the fact the most traffic go very slow on this junctions at all approaches. The Luas P+R exit is incredibly dangerous given the the M50 to N7 outbound merges very close to it. That configuration should of never went ahead like that.

I am surprised there hasn't many pile ups yet. But I can see where you're going wth this. We shall wait till we get a huge pile up or many fatalities on this junction in order for it to be fixed. It's the way to go hey.

You've mentioned black spot and trouble spot with one reference to a truck that "literally nearly glided off one of the bridges". I have no indication of why this collision occured but if it was down to the driver travelling faster than the posted speed limit is this interchange still a "black spot or trouble spot"?

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:26pm

listermint wrote: »

New since when ? This upgrade occured in 2007. Thats new is it ?

The junction is entirely safe and the stats back it up. Your willy nilly scaremongering with zero facts isnt going to make you correct in fact it shows your complete lack of knowledge on the matter.

This section of road opened, December 2008. It's a relatively new road by my standards. Which is just over 4 years ago.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:30pm

tonc76 wrote: »

You've mentioned black spot and trouble spot with one reference to a truck that "literally nearly glided off one of the bridges". I have no indication of why this collision occured but if it was down to the driver travelling faster than the posted speed limit is this interchange still a "black spot or trouble spot"?

Trucks have overturned on this junction a few times. It is a dangerous junction, with steep curves, high inclines, tight junctions with dangerous weaving movements, Funny how you automatically blame the truck driver.:rolleyes:

tonc76 · 02-04-2013 4:36pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Trucks have overturned on this junction a few times. It is a dangerous junction, with steep curves, high inclines, tight junctions with dangerous weaving movements, Funny how you automatically blame the truck driver.:rolleyes:

Don't remember other trucks overturning? Any links to reports?

Steep curve = slower traffic speed
high incline = slower traffic speed

I believe the only dangerous weaving movement is between Ballymount > M50 & M50 > N7 which is a function of the proximity of the juctions. Dangerous all the same but a singular instance.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:44pm

tonc76 wrote: »

Don't remember other trucks overturning? Any links to reports?

Steep curve = slower traffic speed
high incline = slower traffic speed

I believe the only dangerous weaving movement is between Ballymount > M50 & M50 > N7 which is a function of the proximity of the juctions. Dangerous all the same but a singular instance.

Ah I love your ignorance to the obvious. You forgot the Luas P+R junction which I already mentioned earlier, your action of putting the wool over your eyes is sure to be noted at this point. The junction is still a mess by modern standards. The Turnpike and Luas P+R junctions is a joke. The steep inclines are very steep. Take the M50 to Naas SB slip. The slip goes up and down like a rollarcoaster for it's entire length.

Why don't you look up the statistics. There has been a truck overturned again at this site 2 months ago of this year. Check RTE reports. Or heck why don't you email NRA. I am sure you love the NRA.

listermint · 02-04-2013 4:45pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

This section of road opened, December 2008. It's a relatively new road by my standards. Which is just over 4 years ago.

so 4years old. Hundreds of thousands of vehicles pass over it . Thousands every hour and youve pointed to 1 truck incident and you dont even have the report of this particular incident to back up your claims on the design of the junction.

It would appear there is not point in debating with you. Your superior hearsay lols and roles eyes win through everytime.

listermint · 02-04-2013 4:46pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Ah I love your ignorance to the obvious. You forgot the Luas P+R junction which I already mentioned earlier, your action of putting the wool over your eyes is sure to be noted at this point. The junction is still a mess by modern standards.

Far from it, It was designed to meet modern standards.

What do you want Roundabouts and traffic lights.

Do you understand what you are taking about? Honest question.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:52pm

listermint wrote: »

Far from it, It was designed to meet modern standards.

What do you want Roundabouts and traffic lights.

Do you understand what you are taking about? Honest question.

According to the NRA I guess or you. Do ou speak for the NRA.

If you think placing and off and on ramp slip road 50 metres before another merging slip as up to road standards design spec, then I'd love to know what road design stanrards you follow.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 4:54pm

listermint wrote: »

so 4years old. Hundreds of thousands of vehicles pass over it . Thousands every hour and youve pointed to 1 truck incident and you dont even have the report of this particular incident to back up your claims on the design of the junction.

It would appear there is not point in debating with you. Your superior hearsay lols and roles eyes win through everytime.

Don't think there was ever much point in debating with you in the first place.

listermint · 02-04-2013 4:55pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

According to the NRA I guess or you. Do ou speak for the NRA.

If you think placing and off and on ramp slip road 50 metres before another merging slip as up to road standards design spec, then I'd love to know what road design stanrards you follow.

Im glad we have someone here so knowledgeable on the subject. Did you get your ruler out for the measurements or did you find them on the back of a beer mat.

You can give us all a detailed report of what qualifies an accident black spot. And where in the junctions design it qualifies for this. Also how you would go about rectifying all of these obvious design flaws.

tonc76 · 02-04-2013 5:05pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Ah I love your ignorance to the obvious. You forgot the Luas P+R junction which I already mentioned earlier, your action of putting the wool over your eyes is sure to be noted at this point. The junction is still a mess by modern standards. The Turnpike and Luas P+R junctions is a joke. The steep inclines are very steep. Take the M50 to Naas SB slip. The slip goes up and down like a rollarcoaster for it's entire length.

Why don't you look up the statistics. There has been a truck overturned again at this site 2 months ago of this year. Check RTE reports. Or heck why don't you email NRA. I am sure you love the NRA.

Luas P & R admittedly I missed.

I already provided stats from the RSA's collision database to back up my statements. You on the other hand have made statements with no back up whatsoever so if anyone needs to back up their statements its you butty.

Just because a "steep incline is very steep" doesn't make it dangerous. The M50 > N7 passes under the R110 eastbound and then crosses over the M50 before joining the N7 westbound. How else could this be achieved without steep gradients?

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 6:21pm

tonc76 wrote: »

Luas P & R admittedly I missed.

I already provided stats from the RSA's collision database to back up my statements. You on the other hand have made statements with no back up whatsoever so if anyone needs to back up their statements its you butty.

Just because a "steep incline is very steep" doesn't make it dangerous. The M50 > N7 passes under the R110 eastbound and then crosses over the M50 before joining the N7 westbound. How else could this be achieved without steep gradients?

There is and was far better ways of routing that alignment in particular. The M50 to Naas sb slip should of went over the Nass city bound lanes not under it for starters.. Having steep inclines is one aspect, but it goes up and down many times like a rollercoaster. On top of that all 4 lanes merge onto another slip and an at grade junction.

The interchange could of been designed far better and they had the opportunity at the time to do so when they were redesigning it. The Turnpike and the Luas P+R was one of the blunders that was mentioned and of course it was ignored. It's actually quite easy to have made this interchange far better than it's current layout. Some aspects and alignements of the interchange are impressive. The Naas to M50 and city bounc arragment is the only impressive layout on this interchange.

This isn't a debate or an argument to me. You either are facing up to the blunder of this or you don't. You either accept that accidents are going to happen in the future or you are just going to sit there and deny this to be the case. That is your own choice, but you cannot overide the truth just for personal conjecture.

I'll ask again, do you work for the NRA, I am very curious as to why you're been so defensive

Quickelles · 02-04-2013 7:18pm

Are not suggestions/allegations that someone "works for the NRA" a tad ad hominal? :eek:

I agree that given the extreme space limitation any solution would attract fire from hurlers-on-the-ditch.

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 8:44pm

Quickelles wrote: »

Are not suggestions/allegations that someone "works for the NRA" a tad ad hominal? :eek:

I agree that given the extreme space limitation any solution would attract fire from hurlers-on-the-ditch.

There isn't space limitation, there is and was enough land provided to build a proper interchange to what would be sufficient enough to build a standard all free flowing interchange. It was a missed opportunity. The only reason they went back to the drawing boards the last time was because the people were not happy about the NRA's old red cow interchange plans. So there we go again, hey. The NRA have consistently been terrible at managing our road infrastructure.

The tight arrangements on some approaches at the Red Cow was all down to bad planning and reckless over building on developments all around the M50. The government wanted to make a few bob on selling land to developers. What's new. Who's the blame for this? Our corrupt government and the NRA yet again. The large sum and money used to rebuild the M50 is all down the errors of the past in which they themselves HAD created. You see where I am going with this? The mess just becomes more obvious when I seem to make the realisation be known.

The problem here in Ireland is we have a lack of foreign road engineers. We have people running our country that honestly don't give a damn about this land. Infact they have done possibly everything to destroy it. The NRA are a joke. They can't even design proper signage here and I'd rather not keep going with this because it won't stop at this rate.

I'd say you are largely unfamiliar with road junctions outside of Ireland. You should see how other countries can build free flowing junctions in even tighter arrangements. Ireland is a relatively flat terrain country with easy soil to work with. We just don't build good roads or plan well.. There is plenty of room to build stacks and complex on-ramps if it's required at this location. It was required but it was built on the cheap so our government could take the leftover and keep to themselves. Corrupt......

Aquarius34 · 02-04-2013 9:07pm

It took us 30 years to build the M50 and it's still a mess. Almost 20 km of motorway and 30 years to finish it. Give me paitence please...... We allegedly spent over a billion 5 years ago to upgrade it and that billion wouldn't of have been wasted if we had proper engineers and road planners in the first place.. I still cannot understand how these muppets get away with the mess they have created and even sit here dare to defend themselves after all these years of blatant reckless planning, spending and corruption.. Ireland didn't get the title of been the most corrupt country in Europe for nothing......

Geogregor · 03-04-2013 12:44am

Wow, what a rant. Do you have some personal issues with the NRA?

Dublin is not LA or Houston. Do you seriously think that 5-levels stack would be solution there??

listermint · 03-04-2013 9:51am

Aquarius34 wrote: »

It took us 30 years to build the M50 and it's still a mess. Almost 20 km of motorway and 30 years to finish it. Give me paitence please...... We allegedly spent over a billion 5 years ago to upgrade it and that billion wouldn't of have been wasted if we had proper engineers and road planners in the first place.. I still cannot understand how these muppets get away with the mess they have created and even sit here dare to defend themselves after all these years of blatant reckless planning, spending and corruption.. Ireland didn't get the title of been the most corrupt country in Europe for nothing......

There is literally nothing you have posted so far that isnt based on your own thoughts and conjecture.

Nothing. You have no stats, no studies nothing up any of your claims. Yet you sit their accusing other posters of conjecture.

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word and the quiz yourself on your frankly hilarious rant. " the government wanted to hand money to developers around this junction" Get a grip.

I suggest you have no experience with junctions globally. In the US the highways were built in the 60s and 70s on vast open planes which is why the have long winding meandering curves. The fact that you have suggest this sort of interchange would work in this location displays your clear lack of understanding of the facts.

Back to the drawing board mate.

tonc76 · 03-04-2013 9:52am

Aquarius34 wrote: »

There is and was far better ways of routing that alignment in particular. The M50 to Naas sb slip should of went over the Nass city bound lanes not under it for starters.. Having steep inclines is one aspect, but it goes up and down many times like a rollercoaster. On top of that all 4 lanes merge onto another slip and an at grade junction.

The interchange could of been designed far better and they had the opportunity at the time to do so when they were redesigning it. The Turnpike and the Luas P+R was one of the blunders that was mentioned and of course it was ignored. It's actually quite easy to have made this interchange far better than it's current layout. Some aspects and alignements of the interchange are impressive. The Naas to M50 and city bounc arragment is the only impressive layout on this interchange.

This isn't a debate or an argument to me. You either are facing up to the blunder of this or you don't. You either accept that accidents are going to happen in the future or you are just going to sit there and deny this to be the case. That is your own choice, but you cannot overide the truth just for personal conjecture.

I'll ask again, do you work for the NRA, I am very curious as to why you're been so defensive

Accidents are going to happen on every road no matter how good the design is as most are accidents are down to driver error.

I don't work for the NRA. I supplied statistics to show that the interchange is not an accident black spot. You have mentioned some accidents involving trucks yet have not backed up your black spot statement with anything other than opinion.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 12:30pm

listermint wrote: »

There is literally nothing you have posted so far that isnt based on your own thoughts and conjecture.

Nothing. You have no stats, no studies nothing up any of your claims. Yet you sit their accusing other posters of conjecture.

I suggest you look up the meaning of the word and the quiz yourself on your frankly hilarious rant. " the government wanted to hand money to developers around this junction" Get a grip.

I suggest you have no experience with junctions globally. In the US the highways were built in the 60s and 70s on vast open planes which is why the have long winding meandering curves. The fact that you have suggest this sort of interchange would work in this location displays your clear lack of understanding of the facts.

Back to the drawing board mate.

You project all the traits and misjudgments you accuse of me that you show in yourself. You don't seem to know what you are talking about. You're just here to focus on me. Which is kinda funny to me.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 12:36pm

Geogregor wrote: »

Wow, what a rant. Do you have some personal issues with the NRA?

Dublin is not LA or Houston. Do you seriously think that 5-levels stack would be solution there??

I don't have personal issues with the NRA, I do think they are a joke however. Billions has been wasted on road infrastructure and this country (for it's size) still doesn't have a proper integrated transport system. As I said before I could go on and on. But I think the reality here is people need to realise the problems here in order to actually solve them. We are certainly not solving them.

I never mentioned that a 5 level stack was needed. This is Ireland's busiest interchange and there has been a missed opportunity to properly fix this junction from all approaches. Cities half the size of Dublin have a more superior transport system than we have.. My post wasn't a rant. My post was about trying to get people to see how much of a mess our country is and what kind of gombeens are running it.

antoobrien · 03-04-2013 1:23pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

this country (for it's size) still doesn't have a proper integrated transport system.

Not the NRAs job but will be made easier if/when the proposal to combine it with the RPA ever happens.

Aquarius34 wrote: »

I don't have personal issues with the NRA, I do think they are a joke however. Billions has been wasted on road infrastructure

The NRA would have wasted money if they had listened to people like you and repeated the mistakes of the past, creating substandard roads that have to be upgraded/abandoned less than half way through their design life. The NRA were only set up in 1993, they've done a remarkable job in trying to sort out the mess that multiple LAs have left them with. Instead of just going ahead willy nilly putting in bits of bypass here and there, they instituted a full review of the road needs published in 1998 - which is what the current system and existing plans are based on.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 1:37pm

antoobrien wrote: »

The NRA would have wasted money if they had listened to people like you and repeated the mistakes of the past, creating substandard roads that have to be upgraded/abandoned less than half way through their design life. The NRA were only set up in 1993, they've done a remarkable job in trying to sort out the mess that multiple LAs have left them with. Instead of just going ahead willy nilly putting in bits of bypass here and there, they instituted a full review of the road needs published in 1998 - which is what the current system and existing plans are based on.

You are so short sighted is mind boggling. Building motorways along the old roads was a disastrous idea and again a complete waste of money. That is further proof of the NRA lack of ability to manage our road infrastructure. There is no country in the world that would of spent the money the NRA did for building the motorway network they got away with building. Our motorway network is still incomplete and disintegrated considering the NRA built 1000s km of new motorway. Remarkable job? now you are living in complete fantasy.

There is many of the same view as me on these issues and it's time they start listening to people who are the real brains in this country because there has been no brains running this country since 1916.....``

antoobrien · 03-04-2013 1:55pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

You are so short sighted is mind boggling. Building motorways along the old roads was a disastrous idea and again a complete waste of money. That is further proof of the NRA lack of ability to manage our road infrastructure. There is no country in the world that would of spent the money the NRA did for building the motorway network they got away with building. Our motorway network is still incomplete and disintegrated considering the NRA built 1000s km of new motorway. Remarkable job? now you are living in complete fantasy.

There is many of the same view as me on these issues and it's time they start listening to people who are the real brains in this country because there has been no brains running this country since 1916.....``

Really, what should we have done, build straight line roads regardless of the terrain or the needs of the communities that the roads serve?

If you have a strategy lay it out.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 1:57pm

Dublin's only ring road, has taken almost 30 years to complete. They had to go and rebuild the whole road and spend over a billion to fix and remodel the interchanges. The ring road is still congested. The redcow is a mess. Ballymount is too close to the Redcow. Turnpike should of been grade separated. They had to spend hundreds of millions to upgrade the Blanchardstown interchange. That's just one single interchange and it still isn't fully free flow. Which shows just how BAD the NRA and county council's are managing their roles and doing their jobs.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 2:00pm

antoobrien wrote: »

Really, what should we have done, build straight line roads regardless of the terrain or the needs of the communities that the roads serve?

If you have a strategy lay it out.

Motorways are never supposed to follow old two lane roads. Motorways are designed to move long distance traffic between large populations, quickly and effectively while allowing it connect to other population centres along it's route. Our motorway network just follow's all the national primary roads like a spider graph. That is not good road planning. That is just what I call muppets running and planning our road network.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 2:11pm

For example under the NRA's plan (if ever finished) You could go to Cork, via four motorways/HQDCs

M7(M20
M7 (M8)
M7 (M9) (N25)
M11 (N25)

1. Three motorways run in County Meath.

2. Two motorways serve the SE. The M9 been a complete waste of money especially after N10 branch off as far as traffic levels show) Kilkenny should of been linked to the M8 and Waterford should of been linked to NewRoss. Or the M8 should of followed the existing M9 and proceed to Cork along that route.

3. All motorways lead to Dublin and funnel onto the already congested M50.

4. We build roads without planning them properly, Does there need to be more of an explanation to the obvious here. Our road planners just do not know how to build roads in this country, it's that simple to note. They lack foresight, spacial awareness, logic and know-how. I don't know why this is the case, but the obvious should be well realised at this point because what I've seen in the last 20 years has just been shocking. What's more shocking is people can't even see the mess that has been created.

Take a look at the M1 for example a few years after it opening and now they are already widening it as we speak. Look at the Nenagh bypass and many other roads that were recently built up and within a short few years they had to go back again widen the roads. What will it take for you to see objectively on this?

antoobrien · 03-04-2013 3:12pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

2. Two motorways serve the SE. The M9 been a complete waste of money especially after N10 branch off as far as traffic levels show) Kilkenny should of been linked to the M8 and Waterford should of been linked to NewRoss. Or the M8 should of followed the existing M9 and proceed to Cork along that route.

I was going to respond to the rest of your ....posts... but when I checked up on the figures for the roads above, I knew it would be a waste of time.

The AADT at Mullinvat was 8570 in 2012 on the M9 and 6733 in 2010 on the old road. Considering traffic levels were falling across the country in that time period, to call an 1,800 increase in average traffic levels a "failure" is an interesting indictment of your vision and objections.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 3:37pm

antoobrien wrote: »

I was going to respond to the rest of your ....posts... but when I checked up on the figures for the roads above, I knew it would be a waste of time.

The AADT at Mullinvat was 8570 in 2012 on the M9 and 6733 in 2010 on the old road. Considering traffic levels were falling across the country in that time period, to call an 1,800 increase in average traffic levels a "failure" is an interesting indictment of your vision and objections.

You well and truly have missed the point.

antoobrien · 03-04-2013 3:48pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

You well and truly have missed the point.

The point is that your definition of failure is what the rest of us would call success. That makes the rest logic underpinning of your points, well strange.

Btw, well done on ignoring the mountain ranges in the south.

rameire · 03-04-2013 3:49pm

M50 thread. Clue for you.
Hysterious.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 4:01pm

antoobrien wrote: »

The point is that your definition of failure is what the rest of us would call success. That makes the rest logic underpinning of your points, well strange.

Btw, well done on ignoring the mountain ranges in the south.

So I would then assume you think building an "octupus" motorway network all leading to a congested rebuilt M50 a success then?. The fact is it was a very badly planned road system and a lot of money and time has been led to waste because of it. I've said it already, you have completely ignored these points and for some odd reason find the need to champion the NRA for their failures and blunders. It something they continue to do time and time again. Yet you say they have been remarkable. That is slapstick comedy to me.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 4:04pm

The NRA know full well they have a bad record. Their signage on motorways is atrocious.

antoobrien · 03-04-2013 4:10pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

So I would then assume you think building an "octupus" motorway network all leading to a congested rebuilt M50 a success then?. The fact is it was a very badly planned road system and a lot of money and time has been led to waste because of it. I've said it already, you have completely ignored these points and for some odd reason find the need to champion the NRA for their failures and blunders. It something they continue to do time and time again. Yet you say they have been remarkable. That is slapstick comedy to me.

The reason I'm ignoring it your opinions is that you're ignoring the obvious in how the roads were planned. You have shown total ignorance to the planning regime and who has been responsible for what and when - to the point of blaming the NRA for the M50, which shows how little you know, and you describe me as slapstic. It's cringeworthy really.

Now please stop dragging threads off topic, if you want to discuss the national system I suggest you create a new thread and be ready to defend your theories.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 4:10pm

What will the plan of action be when the M50 can't cope with the extra volumes funnelling into it in the next few years. Traffic is already near capacity at certain sections already. Since it's Dublin's only major road artery it's no brainer that so much commuter traffic use the road. If this artery get's blocked it's not going to be good for Dublin at all.. Especially since Dublin doesn't have a transport system to begin with. It takes one single crash on the M50 to not only bring the M50 into a carpark but the entire city too. That should tell you something.

I'd really like to know why some people on this forum feel eager to champion the NRA.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 4:16pm

antoobrien wrote: »

The reason I'm ignoring it your opinions is that you're ignoring the obvious in how the roads were planned. You have shown total ignorance to the planning regime and who has been responsible for what and when - to the point of blaming the NRA for the M50, which shows how little you know, and you describe me as slapstic. It's cringeworthy really.

The reason you are been ignorant is to your own cause. When people start stating opinions as facts and start cheerleading bad leaders, that's when you know things get cringeworthy, and this is the case with you. You are cheerleading the NRA for all your own reasons and you are point blank ignoring their inadequacy to manage our roads.

Now please stop dragging threads off topic, if you want to discuss the national system I suggest you create a new thread and be ready to defend your theories.

Take your own advice.

Geogregor · 03-04-2013 9:53pm

Guys, stop discussing with this dude. He is one of those who know everything the best and never change their mind.
No amount of sane arguments will be ever enough.

Aquarius34 · 03-04-2013 11:26pm

Geogregor wrote: »

Guys, stop discussing with this dude. He is one of those who know everything the best and never change their mind.
No amount of sane arguments will be ever enough.

That response is so beyond childish, it's a debate forum, everyone is here to post their views. I never once said I was right or made it appear that I am self righteous. What I've put forward is not my opinion but what are the actual facts of what anyone can see if they opened their own eyes on the topic. If you want to look at reality through smokescreens and rose tinted windows by all means do, but no one else has to follow suit just because you do.

Geogregor · 04-04-2013 2:19pm

Aquarius34 wrote: »

That response is so beyond childish, it's a debate forum, everyone is here to post their views. I never once said I was right or made it appear that I am self righteous. What I've put forward is not my opinion but what are the actual facts of what anyone can see if they opened their own eyes on the topic. If you want to look at reality through smokescreens and rose tinted windows by all means do, but no one else has to follow suit just because you do.

Sure, only what you say are facts, anything else is just illusion hmm :rolleyes:

BTW instead posting many posts one under another try to edit your posts. It will make the forum clearer.

Aquarius34 · 04-04-2013 4:59pm

Geogregor wrote: »

Sure, only what you say are facts, anything else is just illusion hmm :rolleyes:

BTW instead posting many posts one under another try to edit your posts. It will make the forum clearer.

Facts are facts, As I said if you want to be ignorant to the facts, that's your choice to do so. I can't overide the facts either just as anyone else can't. I'm discussing the issues with the M50 and the NRA incapability of managing this country's roads. The M50 is one fine example of it. You can stick your head in the ground if you like, I won't as that is not my style. I like to be objective and real.

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