Cyber bullying going on right now by everyone I know - MOD WARNING POST #2

05-01-2013 8:15pm

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

You're just as bad, calling the uploader of the video a scumbag and a weirdo with no social skills :rolleyes: Cyber bullying right there.
Let's not forget he just took a video and uploaded it of some drunk girl verbally abusing him, he didn't know what age she was, she doesn't look 16/17. Nothing wrong with what he did. I'd take a video if someone was shouting at me and insulting me in the hope they'd realise they're being a knob.

But she doesn't deserve this bullying and the horrible comments but I dislike the way people are defending her and attacking the victim of the video

I wasn't referring to the guy who posted this, I was referring to people in general who can't go out without filming people minding their own business but who cares?

'Victim' of the video? Are you serious? We don't see the guy who's filming. We don't know who he is. He got a bit of drunken abuse from a silly drunk girl and you think that makes it OK to put the video on the internet in an attempt to humiliate her? It's one thing to 'just' take a video, it's about a thousand steps further to upload said video on the WORLDWIDE WEB. The only victims here are this girl, her family and the friends shown in the video who tried in vain to stop the lads filming and pull her away. If you can't see what's wrong with what the guy did, I feel very sorry for you. Your sense of perspective is extremely warped.

She came off badly, he came off worse. He went home and posted this, when he was presumably sober, on the internet. A decent person would have ignored her and laughed it off, or at worst had a laugh over the video with their mates. She didn't physically assault him. She didn't do anything to cause him any consequences. He was annoyed about being insulted and instead of taking it on the chin, he decided to try to ruin her life. Yeah, real cool. :rolleyes:

I don't think her age is hugely significant either. It's still a scummy thing to do.

Man City 10 · 05-01-2013 8:17pm

Cyber bullying can have its up and downs
I mean when I get a prank call (Unknown number or a kid acting a fool)
I leave the phone on and go back to what ever I was doing lolool ass holes credit gone wasting-He is the fool !!!!!!
Very funny sometimes
One day I got a prank call and it was a private number and when i picked up some one started putting farts noises so what I did was so that they would not hang up I played a youtube conversation video and put the phone near it and went to downstairs 4 minutes later he was still talking loololooool

jamesbondings · 05-01-2013 8:17pm

MarkMc wrote: »

If its filmed in a public place. I'm unsure on the law, but even if consent is not required, the Defamation Act can come into play

how? who is defamed? kpmg? i dont understand?

Grayson · 05-01-2013 8:20pm

I have seen people around the place saying hat the guy who uploaded the vid never released his real name.
Here's an ironic thought. I wonder how many of the people who are defending the girl would hound the video uploader if they knew who he is?

Grayson · 05-01-2013 8:22pm

gg2 wrote: »

Whats the cork girls video?? Similar to KPMG. Understand if theres no linking to these vids allowed

A group of school kids in cork arranged a fight between two girls who were fighting over a guy.
It's a far worse video then the one that's being talked about here.

Killer Wench · 05-01-2013 8:25pm

Just to get a baseline, hypo here:

A 16 year old commits murder. Not manslaughter or negligent homicide but murder.

Would you feel it appropriate to imprison them for the rest of their life?

Some will say - no way, it's a kid. They could change with the right therapy. They were conditioned wrong.

Others will say - yes, the little bastard should know better at that age. Look them up, they aint gonna change.

Now this particular 16 year old said some rude and hurtful things, but no way was it criminal. Yet, some -too many- are saying that she is old enough, she's incapable of change so she deserves the "life sentence" of being branded a horrible person whose life and family should be harrassed.

Bassboxxx · 05-01-2013 8:27pm

actuallylike wrote: »

The league of Ireland fan didn't have his facebook profile and twitter shared so much that they had to be shut down. The League of Ireland fan's father's company wasn't bombarded with abuse because of his actions. The League of Ireland fan wasn't subjected to the same level of personal abuse that this girl has been. It is not double standards...simple

You obviously know what effect the video had on this lads life...how did he deal with it?? and his father for that matter?? How did he avoid getting his social network accounts hassled???(he definitely got abuse on youtube and here)

And who decided that having to close your social network accounts is the benchmark for acceptable becoming unacceptable?? you??

ahnowbrowncow · 05-01-2013 8:27pm

Jeremy Happy Headgear wrote: »

I wasn't referring to the guy who posted this, I was referring to people in general who can't go out without filming people minding their own business but who cares?

'Victim' of the video? Are you serious? We don't see the guy who's filming. We don't know who he is. He got a bit of drunken abuse from a silly drunk girl and you think that makes it OK to put the video on the internet in an attempt to humiliate her? It's one thing to 'just' take a video, it's about a thousand steps further to upload said video on the WORLDWIDE WEB. The only victims here are this girl, her family and the friends shown in the video who tried in vain to stop the lads filming and pull her away. If you can't see what's wrong with what the guy did, I feel very sorry for you. Your sense of perspective is extremely warped.

She came off badly, he came off worse. He went home and posted this, when he was presumably sober, on the internet. A decent person would have ignored her and laughed it off, or at worst had a laugh over the video with their mates. She didn't physically assault him. She didn't do anything to cause him any consequences. He was annoyed about being insulted and instead of taking it on the chin, he decided to try to ruin her life. Yeah, real cool. :rolleyes:

I don't think her age is hugely significant either. It's still a scummy thing to do.

She is a victim of her own actions. I've said before, she doesn't deserve the abuse she's getting but if she hadn't acted like a knob this wouldn't have happended. I've been very drunk recently and in the past but I have yet to start insulting strangers.

And for some reason you're ignoring the fact he's the the victim in the video, she was humiliating him in a public place. All we know is this guy was sitting eating a pizza after a night out and he starts getting shouted and insulted by some girl. You can suppose all you like as to what happened before the video started, we don't know.

Oh right, so as long you are not physically assaulted you think being insulted in public should just be taken on the chin, laughed off?

Amalgam · 05-01-2013 8:27pm

What happens with alcohol use in such a public manner, at a certain age?

I presume there's copious legislation, does it open the parents to being liable in some way, or does it rest with the outlet\establishment supplying the alcohol?

Would social services make it their business to get involved?

If the same event happened in some of the more prudish states, in the US, the parents would be in very hot water as a result.

My name is URL · 05-01-2013 8:33pm

Amalgam wrote: »

What happens with alcohol use in such a public manner, at a certain age?

I presume there's copious legislation, does it open the parents to being liable in some way, or does it rest with the outlet\establishment supplying the alcohol?

Would social services make it their business to get involved?

If the same event happened in some of the more prudish states, in the US, the parents would be in very hot water as a result.

There's no law against underage drinking.. just selling it to underage people, and for all anyone knows she was at a house party drinking booze (with her parents permission) that someone else had purchased.

Madam_X · 05-01-2013 8:43pm

Ahnowbrowncow, the post below contains some authority (amidst the speculation) as to what sparked the incident.

Higher wrote: »

She came into Rays Pizza shoeless and eating scraps of pizza off the table. She was clearly provoked by the guys filming and gave the OTT reaction. My reading is the lads themselves alleged she was poor because of her shoeless state (would explain her 'you cant afford shoes' comment. She then responded saying she was rich, her dad is partner KPMG etc. to shut them up. It was the sort of mad rant that I used to see people who were bullied in school go on when the abuse got too much.

Also the lads filming try to get camera shots up her skirt

Tis pretty clear the filmer wasn't a quiet gent enjoying his pizza who was suddenly attacked with no provocation. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous, obtuse and smacks of an agenda.

ahnowbrowncow · 05-01-2013 9:03pm

Madam_X wrote: »

Ahnowbrowncow, the post below contains some authority (amidst the speculation) as to what sparked the incident.

Tis pretty clear the filmer wasn't a quiet gent enjoying his pizza who was suddenly attacked with no provocation. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous, obtuse and smacks of an agenda.

I had read that but I took it with a large pinch of salt as higher has just extrapolated that from comments they've read and the fact she wasn't wearing her shoes, people who weren't there have being saying all kinds of crap in the comments so I wouldn't call that an authority and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous and obtuse.

Also, what agenda?

05-01-2013 9:04pm

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

She is a victim of her own actions. I've said before, she doesn't deserve the abuse she's getting but if she hadn't acted like a knob this wouldn't have happended. I've been very drunk recently and in the past but I have yet to start insulting strangers.

And for some reason you're ignoring the fact he's the the victim in the video, she was humiliating him in a public place. All we know is this guy was sitting eating a pizza after a night out and he starts getting shouted and insulted by some girl. You can suppose all you like as to what happened before the video started, we don't know.

Oh right, so as long you are not physically assaulted you think being insulted in public should just be taken on the chin, laughed off?

I don't think someone drunkenly insulting you warrants posting the video online and trying to ruin their life. There aren't many people who can say, hand on heart, that they've never done something ridiculous or obnoxious when drunk. Does she seem like a nice person? No, not at all. But if she'd done that to me, I wouldn't have dreamed of posting that video.

philologos · 05-01-2013 9:05pm

Jeremy Happy Headgear wrote: »

I wasn't referring to the guy who posted this, I was referring to people in general who can't go out without filming people minding their own business but who cares?

Was she minding her own business? It doesn't seem like it to me.

My name is URL · 05-01-2013 9:08pm

Jeremy Happy Headgear wrote: »

I don't think someone drunkenly insulting you warrants posting the video online and trying to ruin their life. There aren't many people who can say, hand on heart, that they've never done something ridiculous or obnoxious when drunk. Does she seem like a nice person? No, not at all. But if she'd done that to me, I wouldn't have dreamed of posting that video.

Does that go for all the drunken racists ranting on buses in England too?

Madam_X · 05-01-2013 9:10pm

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I had read that but I took it with a large pinch of salt as higher has just extrapolated that from comments they've read and the fact she wasn't wearing her shoes, people who weren't there have being saying all kinds of crap in the comments so I wouldn't call that an authority and to suggest otherwise is disingenuous and obtuse.

Also, what agenda?

Well an unwillingness to acknowledge from the video evidence alone that the filmer was hardly an innocent victim. Why is that?

Aidric · 05-01-2013 9:10pm

Higher wrote: »

I'm like a broken record at this stage buuuuuuttt...

People need to actually look at the background of the video. She came into Rays Pizza shoeless and eating scraps of pizza off the table. She was clearly provoked by the guys filming and gave the OTT reaction. My reading is the lads themselves alleged she was poor because of her shoeless state (would explain her 'you cant afford shoes' comment. She then responded saying she was rich, her dad is partner KPMG etc. to shut them up. It was the sort of mad rant that I used to see people who were bullied in school go on when the abuse got too much.

Also the lads filming try to get camera shots up her skirt, which is disgusting to be honest.

Bullying perverts IMO.

You know this how?

Holsten · 05-01-2013 9:16pm

They didn't try to get any upskirt camera shots of her!

Look at the video and you'll clearly she she flashes her knickers cause she stands up and is wearing a very short skirt.

They started to film her cause she came in drunk and started asking for other peoples pizza.

the groutch · 05-01-2013 9:18pm

if you're going to get drunk off your head aged 16, and act a complete douche in public, you have to be prepared to face the consequences.

RDM_83 again · 05-01-2013 9:19pm

Holsten wrote: »

They didn't try to get any upskirt camera shots of her!

Look at the video and you'll clearly she she flashes her knickers cause she stands up and is wearing a very short skirt.

They started to film her cause she came in drunk and started asking for other peoples pizza.

Yeah just watched it she clearly says she likes one of the guys cos he gave her pizza. Its one of those videos that nobody comes of well in at all.

Biggins · 05-01-2013 9:22pm

This is supposed to be a thread about cyber-bullying and it's effects - it looks to me as some are making it too personal towards one person, a young girl.

Can I suggest that we get back to debating what a MOD has told us to debate?

ahnowbrowncow · 05-01-2013 9:25pm

Madam_X wrote: »

Well an unwillingness to acknowledge from the video evidence alone that the filmer was hardly an innocent victim. Why is that?

I'm guessing your referring to the fact that he caught a glimpse of her pants in the video, it looked accidental to me. Wearing a short skirt and sitting down while drunk, it can easily happen.

And what agenda?

Biggins · 05-01-2013 9:25pm

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

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*sigh*

Abi · 05-01-2013 9:28pm

Jeremy Happy Headgear wrote: »

I don't think someone drunkenly insulting you warrants posting the video online and trying to ruin their life. There aren't many people who can say, hand on heart, that they've never done something ridiculous or obnoxious when drunk. Does she seem like a nice person? No, not at all. But if she'd done that to me, I wouldn't have dreamed of posting that video.

This ^

But lets not let that get in the way of a witch hunt, eh?

Madam_X · 05-01-2013 9:30pm

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I'm guessing your referring to the fact that he caught a glimpse of her pants in the video, it looked accidental to me. Wearing a short skirt and sitting down while drunk, it can easily happen.

And what agenda?

Agenda is the wrong word sorry.

But it's clear that that glimpse of her underwear is not the issue, it's his goading behaviour. This isn't a defence of her at all, but at the same time, there's no need to pretend he's an innocent victim. It's strange to do so.

Absolute Zero · 05-01-2013 9:31pm

Just another reason why alcohol should be banned and weed should be legal :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Jarrod · 05-01-2013 9:31pm

Can anyone shed some light for me on the cyber bullying side of things? I assume people have been harassing her on Facebook and Twitter. Is there something more to it? (I'm not belittling that, just want to find out if I've the whole picture) And, does anybody think that the comparisons to other high profile cyber bullying cases are way out of line? I'm unsure as to how I feel but I can't help but sense that to compare this incident to those tragedies is an insult.

Grayson · 05-01-2013 9:31pm

Does it count as bullying if it's not directed at her? I can imagine that taunting her or trying to contact her is harassment/bullying.

But if I show that video to my friends and we all have a laugh, is it any different to me looking at all the fail vids on youtube. Or looking at any video of anyone acting like a tit when drunk. And there's plenty of them.

Micky Dolenz · 05-01-2013 9:32pm

Mod

Thread is becoming very specific to one case. It this continues, we'll be locking this up.

niallo27 · 05-01-2013 9:33pm

the groutch wrote: »

if you're going to get drunk off your head aged 16, and act a complete douche in public, you have to be prepared to face the consequences.

I would say 2/3 of the population of this country have got hammered when they were 16 and acted the douche as you call it, we were all idiots when we were 16 and did stupid things. We should not have to pay for it like this.

Grayson · 05-01-2013 9:35pm

Abi wrote: »

This ^

But lets not let that get in the way of a witch hunt, eh?

I've done plenty of stupid things whilst drunk. Some very stupid things. But I never gave abuse to people like that.

There's a difference between silly/stupid and telling people they're ****ing plebs and losers.

Edit: Just noticed mod warning.

However as I said above, in a case like this, whatever the content, is it bullying if it's just video sharing? I would imagine directing abuse at a person in a video is bullying, but is just sharing and telling a friend "look at this it's hilarious".bullying?

Holsten · 05-01-2013 9:35pm

Jarrod wrote: »

Can anyone shed some light for me on the cyber bullying side of things? I assume people have been harassing her on Facebook and Twitter. Is there something more to it? (I'm not belittling that, just want to find out if I've the whole picture) And, does anybody think that the comparisons to other high profile cyber bullying cases are way out of line? I'm unsure as to how I feel but I can't help but sense that to compare this incident to those tragedies is an insult.

I've seen some things on twitter and youtube, e.g what should happen to her, what people would do to her, etc... some nasty stuff alright, I'd assume mostly posted by kids themselves.

I think she deleted her facebook and blocked her twitter account. But we don't know people could find out where she lives, her phone number and start sending threats to her.

Gauss · 05-01-2013 9:37pm

Jeremy Happy Headgear wrote: »

I wasn't referring to the guy who posted this, I was referring to people in general who can't go out without filming people minding their own business but who cares?

'Victim' of the video? Are you serious? We don't see the guy who's filming. We don't know who he is. He got a bit of drunken abuse from a silly drunk girl and you think that makes it OK to put the video on the internet in an attempt to humiliate her? It's one thing to 'just' take a video, it's about a thousand steps further to upload said video on the WORLDWIDE WEB. The only victims here are this girl, her family and the friends shown in the video who tried in vain to stop the lads filming and pull her away. If you can't see what's wrong with what the guy did, I feel very sorry for you. Your sense of perspective is extremely warped.

She came off badly, he came off worse. He went home and posted this, when he was presumably sober, on the internet. A decent person would have ignored her and laughed it off, or at worst had a laugh over the video with their mates. She didn't physically assault him. She didn't do anything to cause him any consequences. He was annoyed about being insulted and instead of taking it on the chin, he decided to try to ruin her life. Yeah, real cool. :rolleyes:

I don't think her age is hugely significant either. It's still a scummy thing to do.

Do you think that girl wouldn't upload an embarrassing video of that guy if she had the chance?

I know where my money would go.

My name is URL · 05-01-2013 9:38pm

Grayson wrote: »

Does it count as bullying if it's not directed at her? I can imagine that taunting her or trying to contact her is harassment/bullying.

But if I show that video to my friends and we all have a laugh, is it any different to me looking at all the fail vids on youtube. Or looking at any video of anyone acting like a tit when drunk. And there's plenty of them.

Watching and laughing at the video isn't bullying, but sending her and her family death threats is; and apparently that has happened already.

clairefontaine · 05-01-2013 9:38pm

Abi wrote: »

This ^

But lets not let that get in the way of a witch hunt, eh?

Some of the feeds coming into my facebook page are like a low self esteem riot taking place.

Serious regression of grown adults turning into 13 year olds. They's get the stakes out if they could.

It's pathetic.

Abi · 05-01-2013 9:41pm

Grayson wrote: »

I've done plenty of stupid things whilst drunk. Some very stupid things.
There's a difference between silly/stupid and telling people they're ****ing plebs and losers.

People can be dicks with drink on them, thats universally accepted. But should you have to pay for it by having it aired world wide on the internet?

Exactly how far does it have to go before you feel someone is punished enough for it?

Biggins · 05-01-2013 9:41pm

Grayson wrote: »

...There's a difference between silly/stupid and telling people they're ****ing plebs and losers.

Maybe so but because of I or your drunk actions (wherever they are), does our families and workplaces have to suffer also?

Being non-specific, such is the power of mass media now though the net alone, small things that we once maybe did years ago, are now able to be blown up into our faces.
Sure, IF its crime of a serious nature, we (directly ourselves) might deserve some or all of it - but the rest of the stuff that is non-illegal while still irritating to say the least, should not mean that death threats are evoked and businesses of family become targets in disproportionation response.

Zebra3 · 05-01-2013 9:47pm

Jeremy Happy Headgear wrote: »

Just the context.

So you don't have any proof and you were making a claim with no facts whatsoever to back it up with?

:rolleyes:

Abi · 05-01-2013 9:48pm

Biggins wrote: »

Maybe so but because of I or your drunk actions (wherever they are), does our families and workplaces have to suffer also?

People either fail to see this, or choose to ignore it. Cyber-bullying can effect all aspects of a persons life, all for the sake of a laugh at someone elses expense.

ahnowbrowncow · 05-01-2013 9:52pm

Madam_X wrote: »

Agenda is the wrong word sorry.

But it's clear that that glimpse of her underwear is not the issue, it's his goading behaviour. This isn't a defence of her at all, but at the same time, there's no need to pretend he's an innocent victim. It's strange to do so.

Yes I admit he's not entirely innocent but what is frustrating me is that but some people are overlooking her behaviour and branding him the villain. He's getting a lot of undeserved abuse, I don't get how people can call him a scumbag etc. just from that video. And people seem to be forgetting that he was probably drunk too.

Biggins · 05-01-2013 9:57pm

Abi wrote: »

People either fail to see this, or choose to ignore it. Cyber-bullying can effect all aspects of a persons life, all for the sake of a laugh at someone elses expense.

Sadly true.

If I was stupid enough to stay something silly (wouldn't be a first time) while drunk - or not - I would hope/pray that my family would not get a terrible backlash because of my stupidity.

I might deserve a kick in the pants (to say the least) but leave other innocent people alone!

clairefontaine · 05-01-2013 10:01pm

Abi wrote: »

People either fail to see this, or choose to ignore it. Cyber-bullying can effect all aspects of a persons life, all for the sake of a laugh at someone elses expense.

There are a few kinds of bullying. I'm not sure how much we can and cant talk about the elephant in the room, but there is a kind of bullying where the perpetrators can't see it as bullying because they perceive themselves to be the victim, genuinely feel hard done by. Probably one of the most dangerous things about victim status or politics, and then try to remind them that there is a high probability that when they were being victimised their perpetrator at that moment was stuck in a victim feeling stasis and looking for justice or pain relief.

Then there are people whose really like the thrill of feeling powerful, they can only feel safe when they dominate and when others are feeling weak, vulnerable or controlled. Not always exclusive from the first kind I mentioned.

Technology is offerring new means of facilitating all of it and its growing so fast it's hard to keep up. Perhaps more education, like how to be responsible with your technology and what to do if you are a target. Have specialists visit schools, educate parents.

The problem is when the parents and the adults [like on my facebook feeds] are the problem then what do you do? I suppose education has to start somewhere, like the next generation.

HabeasCorpus · 05-01-2013 10:22pm

I see a lot of this: Oh I NEVER would have said this or done that when I was 16. But I'm sure there are lots of other silly things you did do that that girl doesn't do.

She was hot headed, drunk and her head was filled with a proud mother's words about great Daddy. I can just imagine the upbringing. Do well in your exams and you'll never have to worry, you'll have a great job like Daddy and you'll never be stuck in a dead end 10 euro an hour job. Then probably, all the treats, empty headed D4 nonsense about Manolo Blahniks, BT2 shopping, all that jaz. Unfortunately, this creates a type of inferiority, a belief that the person is not as important as the material things, which results in bragging.

She was so empty, believe it or not, the motivation was she was trying to impress those guys and feel powerful. Yet she was being bullied, goaded too. So with the mix of that upbringing, feeling on the wrong foot (literally), and being impulsive/hotheaded, when she was drunk she ranted wildly. She's still at school guys. I remember a girl goading me when I was 16 or 17, and though she was much bigger, and older than me, I lost my temper and gave her a good fight. I saw stars after it though.

I've learnt to calm down and deal with the issues or just walk away if they're not important. I believe if a fiery person like me can become rational, there is hope for anyone. But I don't want to see people putting themselves up on pedestals because they wouldn't react precisely like that, we all have our feet of clay.

Maybe you have been calm and grandfatherly when you were 16 and had a thick skin which left you mercifully unresponsive to goading. Most teenagers are sensitive, have childish outbursts and do things better not caught on camera for the whole of Ireland to see. Give her a break, I wouldn't say she's in the happiest home in Ireland right now.

Grayson · 05-01-2013 10:43pm

Abi wrote: »

People can be dicks with drink on them, thats universally accepted. But should you have to pay for it by having it aired world wide on the internet?

Exactly how far does it have to go before you feel someone is punished enough for it?

I never called it punishment. I just said that even whilst drunk and stupid, I would never have said stuff like that (well, my parent's weren't rich, so obviously not exactly what was said. But I mean that level of abuse). Cos that was pretty vitriolic.

I've heard a rule of thumb quoted, If your a dick drunk, it's because your a dick sober. Drink doesn't generate new opinions, just some new behaviours.

Grayson · 05-01-2013 10:47pm

Holsten wrote: »

I've seen some things on twitter and youtube, e.g what should happen to her, what people would do to her, etc... some nasty stuff alright, I'd assume mostly posted by kids themselves.

I think she deleted her facebook and blocked her twitter account. But we don't know people could find out where she lives, her phone number and start sending threats to her.

To be fair to the nasty comments on youtube, you could watch a video of a cat getting stuck in a window and some creep would put up a joke about raping it.

Jarrod · 05-01-2013 10:48pm

HabeasCorpus wrote: »

I see a lot of this: Oh I NEVER would have said this or done that when I was 16. But I'm sure there are lots of other silly things you did do that that girl doesn't do.

She was hot headed, drunk and her head was filled with a proud mother's words about great Daddy. I can just imagine the upbringing. Do well in your exams and you'll never have to worry, you'll have a great job like Daddy and you'll never be stuck in a dead end 10 euro an hour job. Then probably, all the treats, empty headed D4 nonsense about Manolo Blahniks, BT2 shopping, all that jaz. Unfortunately, this creates a type of inferiority, a belief that the person is not as important as the material things, which results in bragging.

She was so empty, believe it or not, the motivation was she was trying to impress those guys and feel powerful. Yet she was being bullied, goaded too. So with the mix of that upbringing, feeling on the wrong foot (literally), and being impulsive/hotheaded, when she was drunk she ranted wildly. She's still at school guys. I remember a girl goading me when I was 16 or 17, and though she was much bigger, and older than me, I lost my temper and gave her a good fight. I saw stars after it though. I've learnt to calm down and deal with the issues or just walk away if they're not important. I believe if a fiery person like me can become rational, there is hope for anyone. But I don't want to see people putting themselves up on pedestals because they wouldn't react precisely like that, we all have our feet of clay.

Maybe you have been calm and grandfatherly when you were 16 and had a thick skin which left you mercifully unresponsive to goading. Most teenagers are sensitive, have childish outbursts and do things better not caught on camera for the whole of Ireland to see. Give her a break, I wouldn't say she's in the happiest home in Ireland right now.

You're assuming a lot about her upbringing in your post. It's not like she called the guy a ginger **** and then left it at that. It's a 5 minute rant about him being a loser because he's ginger, balding and 'poor'. I'm not saying I never made a remark/comment to someone back in my school days because they goaded me but it was always some generic sh1t like 'your an ar****le' etc. etc.. I've never tried to pick someone apart in a rant like that because if you ask me those are the actions of a bully. Picking what you perceive to be someone's weak points or things they may be self conscious about and laying into them is bullying.

niallo27 · 05-01-2013 10:51pm

Grayson wrote: »

I never called it punishment. I just said that even whilst drunk and stupid, I would never have said stuff like that (well, my parent's weren't rich, so obviously not exactly what was said. But I mean that level of abuse). Cos that was pretty vitriolic.

I've heard a rule of thumb quoted, If your a dick drunk, it's because your a dick sober. Drink doesn't generate new opinions, just some new behaviours.

I dont agree with this, drink does funny things to certain people, a friend of mine turned into a headerball with drink and started fights every night we were out, sober he was the nicest guy you could meet. He know stays sober or just one or two drinks and everything is fine.

clairefontaine · 05-01-2013 10:52pm

Jarrod wrote: »

You're assuming a lot about her upbringing in your post. It's not like she called the guy a ginger **** and then left it at that. It's a 5 minute rant about him being a loser because he's ginger, balding and 'poor'. I'm not saying I never made a remark/comment to someone back in my school days because they goaded me but it was always some generic sh1t like 'your an ar****le' etc. etc.. I've never tried to pick someone apart in a rant like that because if you ask me those are the actions of a bully. Picking what you perceive to be someone's weak points or things they may be self conscious about and laying into them is bullying.

Right and now the cycle continues. Only it's not by one drunk girl. It's by the thousands,many of them adults and sober who have no relationship with this girl. She means nothing to them, she has no power or influence in their lives, and yet they are so intimidated by her they want to chronically abuse her and feel justified in doing it.

Cathyht · 05-01-2013 10:58pm

Jarrod wrote: »

You're assuming a lot about her upbringing in your post. It's not like she called the guy a ginger **** and then left it at that. It's a 5 minute rant about him being a loser because he's ginger, balding and 'poor'. I'm not saying I never made a remark/comment to someone back in my school days because they goaded me but it was always some generic sh1t like 'your an ar****le' etc. etc.. I've never tried to pick someone apart in a rant like that because if you ask me those are the actions of a bully. Picking what you perceive to be someone's weak points or things they may be self conscious about and laying into them is bullying.

In the video I saw, there were 2 or 3 guys' voices goading her. I don't know if this is the one everyone else here saw, but I have reported it. I don't watch bullfights because I don't like a to see something a bit dumb goaded into a battle they can't win. Just like this girl. It was not a monologue by any stretch of the imagination. A few times she looked like she was going, or at least going to stop, and they started again, they pulled her back into it. THEY enjoyed it. THEY are the ones who videoed it, they are the ones jeering.

You see it with children, the one who gets caught shouting is just the honest one, the sneaky ones causing it and riling the other one up are premeditated and bad inclined. They are usually bullies. That girl wasn't pretty to watch, but she was drunk and it is just a set up. Now she's a scape goat for all the D4 haters.

Jarrod · 05-01-2013 11:07pm

Cathyht wrote: »

In the video I saw, there were 2 or 3 guys' voices goading her. I don't know if this is the one everyone else here saw, but I have reported it. I don't watch bullfights because I don't like a to see something a bit dumb goaded into a battle they can't win. Just like this girl. It was not a monologue by any stretch of the imagination. A few times she looked like she was going, or at least going to stop, and they started again, they pulled her back into it. THEY enjoyed it. THEY are the ones who videoed it, they are the ones jeering.

You see it with children, the one who gets caught shouting is just the honest one, the sneaky ones causing it and riling the other one up are premeditated and bad inclined. They are usually bullies. That girl wasn't pretty to watch, but she was drunk and it is just a set up. Now she's a scape goat for all the D4 haters.

From the video I saw I reckoned there was 2 guys 'goading' her and a third who seemed to be steering clear. I'm not 100% on that but I'm not going to watch it again. I stand by my original point which is that she portrayed all the qualities of a bully in this instance. It's hard to know how it started so I don't think we can speculate. Also, I'm by no means justifying the behaviour of anyone else in the video or anyone who has commented on/circulated the video. I'm not sure if you'd consider me a 'D4 hater' but I'm far from it. I do really hate the term D4 to describe somebody though. From my experience the stereotypical 'D4' qualities aren't usually displayed by people from Dublin 4. And, if someone's a d**k then it doesn't really matter where they're from.

Cyber bullying going on right now by everyone I know - MOD WARNING POST #2

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