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Time To End Internment - Release Marian Price and Martin Corey

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    #92
    getzls
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    http://www.sharesnack.com/5AFC7D6BDC9/pzj8o93p

    Very good turnout at the Marian Price rally in West Belfast
    Did they not get to-gether and read from a prepared bit of paper?:D


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    #93
    fasttalkerchat
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    getzls wrote: »
    Did they not get to-gether and read from a prepared bit of paper?:D

    A few hundred people from different political persuasions came out to show support for Marian and demand her release and fair play to them.

    Would you rather they waited on Stormont to set her free of their own accord? They would be waiting a long time.

    A lot of people are put off political demonstrations because of the stigma of going against SF so fair play to everyone who came out with what is right Gerry Kelly included.


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    #94
    getzls
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    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    A few hundred people from different political persuasions came out to show support for Marian and demand her release and fair play to them.

    Would you rather they waited on Stormont to set her free of their own accord? They would be waiting a long time.

    A lot of people are put off political demonstrations because of the stigma of going against SF so fair play to everyone who came out with what is right Gerry Kelly included.
    Don't think Stormont has any say in it. Decision will be made from the U.K. Gov.


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    #95
    fasttalkerchat
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    getzls wrote: »
    Don't think Stormont has any say in it. Decision will be made from the U.K. Gov.

    The UK gov. are happy to ignore the goings on of the legal and political system here now that all is quiet. I can't see them putting much pressure Owen Patterson. Amnesty, political parties have all been involved to some extent and its great to see this level of public support but the UK gov don't give a **** about anything beyond their sights.


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    #96
    SocSocPol
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    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    The UK gov. are happy to ignore the goings on of the legal and political system here now that all is quiet. I can't see them putting much pressure Owen Patterson. Amnesty, political parties have all been involved to some extent and its great to see this level of public support but the UK gov don't give a **** about anything beyond their sights.
    This level of public support? a few hundred people out of a total population in Norther Ireland of well over a million, hardly a tidal wave of support and sympathy for her.


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    #97
    RMD
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    Quite a few people still happy to see her stay in jail also, not a groundbreaking level of support. A convicted terrorist or has continually associated with dissidents, most people aren't going to keel over in sympathy for her. Brought this upon herself.


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    #98
    fasttalkerchat
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    http://www.sharesnack.com/5AFC7D6BDC9/pzj8o93p

    Very good turnout at the Marian Price rally in West Belfast

    Terrible to hear about the harrassment on the way from from the protest:
    The 32CSM in Scotland condemn the harassment its members had to endure by the British security services at Cairnryan Port while travelling back from Belfast for the Free Marian Price March.

    Our members were approached by five officers who identified themselves as security. They were then separated and taken into rooms and quizzed about the events of the weekend and asked of who they associated with. 2 of those targeted were also held for 4 hours each and had to endure the embarrassment of full body cavity searches.

    The 32CSM in Scotland condemn this incident, and would like to state that these dirty tactics adopted by the British security services will not deter us from highlighting the plight of Republican prisoners in Scotland, Ireland, or anywhere else for that matter.


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    #99
    Lapin
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    RMD wrote: »
    Quite a few people still happy to see her stay in jail also...........

    Including me.

    They should throw away the key on people like her.


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    #100
    bon ami
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    So you believe that it is acceptable to imprison people in this way, without disclosing the reason why, letting defense counsels see etc in effect preventing a meaningful appeal?

    When these people are murderers and terrorists who have broken their bond yea lock em up!!


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    #101
    I am pie
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    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Terrible to hear about the harrassment on the way from from the protest:

    I am glad that the security forces take the appropriate measures for those who associate with groups with the intent of murdering members of the security forces and endangering the lives of others.

    Due process, correctly so.


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    #102
    Fratton Fred
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    So members of the 32csm who want independence from Britain, felt the "long finger" of the law on their way back home, to Britain?

    Priceless!


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    #103
    fasttalkerchat
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    So members of the 32csm who want independence from Britain, felt the "long finger" of the law on their way back home, to Britain?

    Priceless!

    People from Scotland who travelled over for the protest. Some of them were 32CSM Scotland members.


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    #104
    Fenian Army
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    #105
    Patrick Cleburne
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    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Terrible to hear about the harrassment on the way from from the protest:
    When will this lot learn to get real and look at the facts. There is no such thing as Republican POWs. Just criminals and they deserve to be treated as criminals.

    They need to get a life and stop thinking they can change anything by supporting wannabe terrorists.


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    #106
    Fenian Army
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    Her heath is further deteriorating.
    Sinn Féin MLA Jennifer McCann has welcomed the decision to move Marian Price from Hydebank Prison to a hospital in Belfast.

    The West Belfast MLA, who is a member of the Justice Committee at the Assembly said:

    “This is a welcome move. Marian Price should of course be released as her continued imprisonment is an affront to natural justice.

    “Along with party colleagues Raymond McCartney and Sean Lynch I have pressed the Justice Minister to, in the absence of her release, move Marian Price to an outside hospital.

    “We welcome this move which will see Marian Price get the care she needs and Sinn Féin will continue to press for her immediate release.”


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    #107
    junder
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    These dissidents seem very fragile, they all seem to have terminal illnesses , atleast they do when they go to jail


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    #108
    Delancey
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    We all remember Michael Stone and his attack on the funerals of the Gibraltar 3 in Milltown cemetery.
    He was jailed for life but subsequently released on licence which was revoked by the Secretary of State after his arrest for his ' attack ' on Stormont - I recall no howls of protest from anyone when his licence was withdrawn.

    Everyone released under the Good Friday Agreement was made aware that it was release on licence . The last ' cause celebre ' on this issue was also supposedly at deaths door in much the same way the Price Sisters were when they were released , apparently suffering from severe eating disorders brought on by their hunger strikes.

    Marian Price will probably be released soon and again undergo a transformation of her health.

    As an aside and btw , which of the Price Sisters was married to the actor Stephen Rea ?


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    #109
    Sunnyisland
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    Delancey wrote: »
    As an aside and btw , which of the Price Sisters was married to the actor Stephen Rea ?

    Stephen rea was married to dolouris price,there divorced now afaik.


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    #110
    Bonus_Pack
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    Marian Price breached her parole or bail or whatever it was she was out on by associating with Republicans.
    Jeex the way some of her sympapthizers go on about it you'd swear she was some kind of pious virgin that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
    Lets recall this:
    - she is a murdering terrorist who bombed innocent people, simply because they were British.

    I hate the way her sympathizers come here to cork and plaster the place with posters, it's so vulgar and is off putting for visitors to the city to be confronted with this Republican bile.
    Price showed no sympathy when she commited acts of terrorism - why should we or the Government show any sympathy to her? She has done nothing to earn our sympathy by continuing to advocate Rebilican terrorism and Republicanism in general.
    It is her and her ilk that has torn this island apart over the last 100 years, not the British Government.
    Until she expresses genuine regret and apologises to the families of each and every one of her victims and apologises to the British and Irish people for her actions, she deserves to remain and rot in gaol.
    I hear she's living like a f***ing animal up there, wraped in a blaket and rubbing shít all over the place. Pathetic.


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    #111
    Patrick Cleburne
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    Bonus_Pack wrote: »
    Marian Price breached her parole or bail or whatever it was she was out on by associating with Republicans.
    Jeex the way some of her sympapthizers go on about it you'd swear she was some kind of pious virgin that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
    Lets recall this:
    - she is a murdering terrorist who bombed innocent people, simply because they were British.

    I hate the way her sympathizers come here to cork and plaster the place with posters, it's so vulgar and is off putting for visitors to the city to be confronted with this Republican bile.
    Price showed no sympathy when she commited acts of terrorism - why should we or the Government show any sympathy to her? She has done nothing to earn our sympathy by continuing to advocate Rebilican terrorism and Republicanism in general.
    It is her and her ilk that has torn this island apart over the last 100 years, not the British Government.
    Until she expresses genuine regret and apologises to the families of each and every one of her victims and apologises to the British and Irish people for her actions, she deserves to remain and rot in gaol.
    I hear she's living like a f***ing animal up there, wraped in a blaket and rubbing shít all over the place. Pathetic.
    Fully agree. She was released as an ex IRA terrorist and then she went and got involved with new IRA terrorists by holding a piece of paper which threatened to murder police officers.

    Its amazing how naive her defenders seem to think we are and how deluded they are. I hope she rots in prison.


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    #112
    Fenian Army
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    Delancey wrote: »
    We all remember Michael Stone and his attack on the funerals of the Gibraltar 3 in Milltown cemetery.
    He was jailed for life but subsequently released on licence which was revoked by the Secretary of State after his arrest for his ' attack ' on Stormont - I recall no howls of protest from anyone when his licence was withdrawn.

    Everyone released under the Good Friday Agreement was made aware that it was release on licence . The last ' cause celebre ' on this issue was also supposedly at deaths door in much the same way the Price Sisters were when they were released , apparently suffering from severe eating disorders brought on by their hunger strikes.

    Marian Price will probably be released soon and again undergo a transformation of her health.

    As an aside and btw , which of the Price Sisters was married to the actor Stephen Rea ?

    Thats not exactly what happened... is it? His "attack" was real enough to warrant convictions for attempted murder as a result, as well as possession of weapons. He got 16 years.

    I dont agree with a politician having that much power re imprisoning people. SF never have either.

    Price's situation is different. She has committed no crime. Charges relating to her holding a speech (contents of which she was unaware of, Judge agreed with that) have been dropped. Also, the judiciary did not deem her act as worthy of imprisonment (when she was charged) as she was granted bail. A British politician disagreed with this and imprisoned her.


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    #113
    Fenian Army
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    Bonus_Pack wrote: »
    Marian Price breached her parole or bail or whatever it was she was out on by associating with Republicans.
    Jeex the way some of her sympapthizers go on about it you'd swear she was some kind of pious virgin that butter wouldn't melt in her mouth.
    Lets recall this:
    - she is a murdering terrorist who bombed innocent people, simply because they were British.

    I hate the way her sympathizers come here to cork and plaster the place with posters, it's so vulgar and is off putting for visitors to the city to be confronted with this Republican bile.
    Price showed no sympathy when she commited acts of terrorism - why should we or the Government show any sympathy to her? She has done nothing to earn our sympathy by continuing to advocate Rebilican terrorism and Republicanism in general.
    It is her and her ilk that has torn this island apart over the last 100 years, not the British Government.
    Until she expresses genuine regret and apologises to the families of each and every one of her victims and apologises to the British and Irish people for her actions, she deserves to remain and rot in gaol.
    I hear she's living like a f***ing animal up there, wraped in a blaket and rubbing shít all over the place. Pathetic.
    I got that far, and once I read that I realized that whatever followed had very little weight as you clearly dont have a good grasp of things.

    And fwiw no she was not engaged in a dirty protest (or any) but was housed alone in an empty wing. There was an interview with her in the Irish news a few months ago... surprisingly she didn't have a bad word to say about the prison guards.


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    #114
    murphaph
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    Leave her where she is. She broke the terms of her licence. She's probably not even sick: every time someone like her is put behind bars the claims of ill health come out.

    If she's sick, she'll get the same treatment in custody, possibly even better treatment IMO.


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    #115
    fasttalkerchat
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    murphaph wrote: »
    Leave her where she is. She broke the terms of her licence.

    The same terms exist for all POWs who had life sentences. Her being involved in politics is no different than Martina Anderson for example. Marian did not break the law. That is the key issue.


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    #116
    Laminations
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    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    The same terms exist for all POWs who had life sentences. Her being involved in politics is no different than Martina Anderson for example. Marian did not break the law. That is the key issue.

    Why do you think she needs to break the law to have her licence revoked?

    From the text of the GFA
    2. Prisoners affiliated to organisations which have not established or are not maintaining a complete and unequivocal ceasefire will not benefit from the arrangements. The situation in this regard will be kept under review.

    She was affiliating with balaclava-clad dissidents that were threatening to kill police. Her situation was obviously reviewed and it was decided she should not benefit from the arrangements of early release. Keep her in.


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    #117
    fasttalkerchat
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    Laminations wrote: »
    Why do you think she needs to break the law to have her licence revoked?

    From the text of the GFA



    She was affiliating with balaclava-clad dissidents that were threatening to kill police. Her situation was obviously reviewed and it was decided she should not benefit from the arrangements of early release. Keep her in.

    She was a PIRA prisoner. They were part of the POW release since their war was over. Whatever her political opinions or GFA stance now should have no bearing. There is no line in the GFA or clause in prisoner release dictating how they can vote, what rallies they attend or who they speak on behalf of.


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    #118
    junder
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    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Laminations wrote: »
    Why do you think she needs to break the law to have her licence revoked?

    From the text of the GFA



    She was affiliating with balaclava-clad dissidents that were threatening to kill police. Her situation was obviously reviewed and it was decided she should not benefit from the arrangements of early release. Keep her in.

    She was a PIRA prisoner. They were part of the POW release since their war was over. Whatever her political opinions or GFA stance now should have no bearing. There is no line in the GFA or clause in prisoner release dictating how they can vote, what rallies they attend or who they speak on behalf of.

    Erm the quote from the gfa from the post before yours kind of does



    2. Prisoners affiliated to organisations which have not established or are not maintaining a complete and unequivocal ceasefire will not benefit from the arrangements. The situation in this regard will be kept under review.


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    #119
    fasttalkerchat
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    junder wrote: »
    Erm the quote from the gfa from the post before yours kind of does



    2. Prisoners affiliated to organisations which have not established or are not maintaining a complete and unequivocal ceasefire will not benefit from the arrangements. The situation in this regard will be kept under review.

    She did benefit from the agreement because she was not affiliated to an organisation maintaining a ceasefire.


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    #120
    Laminations
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    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    She did benefit from the agreement because she was not affiliated to an organisation maintaining a ceasefire.

    and now she doesn't because she is. The situation was kept under review. Funny that Shinners say they accept the GFA but then defend prisoners who couldnt move on and reject violence. Funny that they crow about politicians being involved in incarcerating people (removing their licence) when they had no problems with politicians releasing people (on licence).

    The situation in this regard will be kept under review. You* accepted the GFA. If this was too ambiguous for you then you should have objected at the time.

    *By you I mean republicans - those calling for the release of a woman who associates with terroristd and those calling this internment. What's her excuse, she didn't know what was written on the piece of paper? Did she also not know where she was? Did she just take a wrong turn on the dairy isle at tesco and end up as a ring leader at a dissident rally? Poor dear.


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    #121
    fasttalkerchat
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    Laminations wrote: »
    and now she doesn't because she is. The situation was kept under review. Funny that Shinners say they accept the GFA but then defend prisoners who couldnt move on and reject violence. Funny that they crow about politicians being involved in incarcerating people (removing their licence) when they had no problems with politicians releasing people (on licence).

    The situation in this regard will be kept under review. You* accepted the GFA. If this was too ambiguous for you then you should have objected at the time.

    *By you I mean republicans - those calling for the release of a woman who associates with terroristd and those calling this internment. What's her excuse, she didn't know what was written on the piece of paper? Did she also not know where she was? Did she just take a wrong turn on the dairy isle at tesco and end up as a ring leader at a dissident rally? Poor dear.

    There is no law against attending a dissident republican rally. A judge already accepted that she could not have known what was on the paper. That was thrown out of court and before she was released they decided to hold her for Massareene... Colin Duffy saga all over again.

    If they go back to ignoring all legal procedures we all know where things are headed. History set a clear precedent for that.


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