Editing programs

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Boogienights · 03-10-2010 2:30pm

Worked with FCP and Avid, and I have to say FCP wins hands down

Lump · 05-10-2010 9:50pm

Boogienights wrote: »

Worked with FCP and Avid, and I have to say FCP wins hands down

You must have only worked on isolated projects rather that large scale series. FCP is good for individual projects but if you need to share a lot of media Avid is much better.

BG2 · 15-11-2010 8:43am

What open source video editing software would you recommend for people who have never used a video editing software before? I have been exploring some of the ones available. There is a lot!

ciencin · 15-11-2010 8:20pm

^^^ windows movie maker for open source!

I see people arguing which is better, FCP, CS or Avid.

I've done a lot of testing and reading on this subject and came to the conclusion that it really depends on these 4 things:

- your budget
- your hardware (pc / mac / and how much ram you got)
- your project
- camera that you shoot with.

anything other then that is personal preference or fan boys screaming one is better then the other because they never used the other software.

philipers · 16-11-2010 11:24am

Hi, i bought one Canon EOS 7D 3814B010 18 Megapixel Digital SLR Camera in competitive price, it is very wonderful, the photo it take is very clear and high pixel.

chefs4 · 16-11-2010 2:39pm

Final cut pro express better n cheaper, if on windows pc adobe prob best. If mpeg 2 very slow to convert, finish your final video, run it back to tape or camera and upload it to nero express, converts & runs to dvd very fast n easy.
good luck

bambam wrote: »

I've used Adobe Premier 6.5 for knocking up a couple of family wedding videos. Its got a bit of a learning curve but well work it in the end.

The good points are -
1) multi channel control of audio & video.
This is very powerful as it allows you to have up to 3 tracks of video (& 3 of audio) and placing tracing transitions is real easy

2) transitions - lots of and loads of plugins around
Also performs realtime rendering of the tranistions. Makes working on the video really easy

3) Titler - really nifty, fair few themes to choose (like wedding )

4) Sound editing - really easy & logical to get your head around. Great for effects and fades.

5) Can drag and drop a load of photos onto a video channel. Premier will render them by showing each for a few secs.

Bad points -
1) no auto detect of scenes. This might be added in the latest version (pro).

2) not great support for dvd - you get a lite version of some crappy dvd creator product - best off get your own for this.

3) Slow conversion from DV to Mpeg 2 (for DVD)
Note you can improve this by downloading an updated encoder from the third party that Adobe use - for free

I've only really scratched the surface from an amatuer perspective - but a great product to use. And the gotcha - 700 bucks - lot of money - have a go at the eval version of ye are curious.

IF you're into something a bit more lightweight you could try Dell Movie Studio Plus. My mate got it with his Dell. Full of wizards and hand holding - good for simple quick stuff.

imyourman · 19-11-2010 10:02pm

if your not doing professional work I suggest using Logic Express... its reasonably prices and does a great job.. only down fall is that its only for macs

AFCNZ · 28-11-2010 10:09pm

Anyone rate Vegas Pro 9.0?

Wolf Club · 03-12-2010 5:58pm

I've been using FCP, but am considering changing to Premier Pro CS5. From what people are saying, it requires no rendering or transcoding, and seeing as though I edit a lot of DSLR 1080p footage, I think this would be of great benefit as Final Cut falls down speed wise if you want to retain the quality of the original footage. I haven't used CS5 yet though, so would anyone recommend it?

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JacComedy · 29-03-2011 10:11pm

I edit my videos with Sony Vegas Pro 9 and it really is a simple but effective software! I have the knowledge to use more advanced software but since doing nothing major yet don't feel the need to use anything more complicated. I'd suggest it to anyone who isn't that great yet or doing nothing complicated.

scoutau · 01-04-2011 1:56am

We shot some footage last week (from a Sony HD EX3)and then went to get it edited on FCP. It was really frustrating because even dissolves needed to be rendered. Just changing the length of the dissolve made us wait 30 seconds, which doesn't sound much but the waiting for rendering gets out of hand when you are still working on the timing.

scoutau · 01-04-2011 1:59am

Wolf Club wrote: »

I've been using FCP, but am considering changing to Premier Pro CS5. From what people are saying, it requires no rendering or transcoding, and seeing as though I edit a lot of DSLR 1080p footage, I think this would be of great benefit as Final Cut falls down speed wise if you want to retain the quality of the original footage. I haven't used CS5 yet though, so would anyone recommend it?

I have used CS4, but be careful. CS5 Premiere Pro needs a 64bit computer. There is no upgrade using your old computer

dacogawa · 10-04-2011 1:23pm

AFCNZ wrote: »

Anyone rate Vegas Pro 9.0?

Yes

& VP10 with the new 3D video options

tomwarren · 17-04-2011 10:08am

I use a 500 MHz it's just beautiful, even if it takes ages to frickin do. Make sure you have a fast computer bitch with a heavy piece of RAM, although I hear that later versions of FCP has made behind the scenes.

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michaelgmaloy · 02-05-2011 3:03pm

i use CS4 as well and it's OK

wolffe · 04-05-2011 10:52am

CS5 with 64bit runs pretty smooth. And it's extensible with some nice filters and plugins.

henrygoggins · 11-05-2011 9:08pm

to be honest i think between Avid, FCP and Prem Pro. They will all do a great good job full stop. Ive worked on all and each has its benifits. Learning the skills is important and for now all 3 will cover what your looking for. so comes down to how much you want to spend.

civileng2008 · 12-06-2011 2:05pm

Hi HC/All,

I am new to boards.ie so I am just finding my bearings!

I don’t know would I be as you describe as a "serious amateur" but I like editing a few vids I take from time to time. Had Video Pad editor which was good no major bells and whistles but it did all I wanted to do with it, but the vid format lost quality when publishing the vids ( or quiet possible my trial period when out) I am back using windows live movie maker which is not as good as the standard old one! But it does the trick.! Where would a chap go for a download of a movie maker which would allow me to reverse a clip and edit it so that it plays in reverse? Maybe windows live movie maker has it but considering you can’t even take a frame snap in a vid with it I guess it not their.

Cheers
CE

Fionn · 17-06-2011 3:34am

hiya
Pretty new to this myself!

I'd say look at CyberLink PowerDirector 9 Deluxe it's cheap as chips and it actually has a function to do what you want, built into it.

It'd probably do everything you'd need to produce nicely edited videos.

good luck with it

civileng2008 · 20-06-2011 1:34pm

Hi Fionn,

Thanks for the reply ill have a look at this power director and see how i get on.

Thanks

Mensch Maschine · 07-08-2011 1:22pm

Hi,

Recently purchased a Canon 7D. I use it mainly for photography but I've done some video work in the past.

If I'm right, my computer is not good enough to to handle raw HD video running on it. For example, I tried compressing the .mov files to Mpeg but when I tryplay the footage, it's totally jittery.

This is the same if I play it in Qucktime, Premier CS3 and not so much VLC.

My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite P200.
It's running Vista 32 Bit
Intel® Centrino® Duo processor Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T5450 @ 1.66GHz
2Gb RAM

I'm pretty sure it's just not powerful enough but can someone with more knowledge just confirm that for me? Just so I can rule out something I might be doing wrong.

Hopefully, I will have some cash monies in Sept and I'm going to get an IMac instead of the lenses I wanted to buy.
Thanks

extopia · 07-08-2011 4:03pm

Nope - your laptop is probably OK (although cutting video on a laptop's internat drive is not really a good idea, for many reasons).

You need to transcode the video to an editable codec. Many editing applications do this automatically for you.

Go to dvinfo.net and check out their 7D forum for all the answers you need.

Best of luck.

Mensch Maschine · 07-08-2011 4:14pm

Hi there,

I appreciate your reply. Can I just ask you one other thing. I got Mpeg Streamclip to transcode my .mov files from the 7D. Is there a safe, or preferable file type that's ideal for Premier?

This is all new to me. And, as for applications doing the transcoding for you, what ones do? Are you automatically prompted as you import video?

Thanks for the link aswell

extopia · 07-08-2011 6:19pm

I don't use a 7D or Premiere (I'm a FCP editor, and shoot HDV and Canon 550) so I can't answer your question with authority. Streamclip is fine - it depends what you're converting too (and this often depends on the capabilities of your system. Personally I transcode to Prores directly within FCP on capture. Not sure if Premiere can do this but I suspect it can. Dig around in dvinfo - this thread looks particularly promising.

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-eos-7d-hd/467809-premiere-pro-cs4-7d-footage.html

Best of luck.

TommyGun · 07-08-2011 8:41pm

Vlc plays almost every type of video file type. If it stuttering while playing, your pc does not have the power to play it.

If you compress the file, due to compression will make it stutter more. If you transpose the files to e.g mpeg 2. The file sizes will be alot bigger but due lower compression will be easyer to edit and play without stuttering.

I hope this helps.

AnonoBoy · 08-08-2011 1:26am

TommyGun wrote: »

Vlc plays almost every type of video file type. If it stuttering while playing, your pc does not have the power to play it.

If you compress the file, due to compression will make it stutter more. If you transpose the files to e.g mpeg 2. The file sizes will be alot bigger but due lower compression will be easyer to edit and play without stuttering.

I hope this helps.

Compression won't cause a player to stutter. Compression will bring the file size down and actually make it easier to play.

TommyGun · 08-08-2011 7:13am

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Compression won't cause a player to stutter. Compression will bring the file size down and actually make it easier to play.

To compress a file is to make it smaller eg from mpeg2 to mp4 . To transpose a file is convert the file to an easier format to edit eg. from mp4 to mpeg2 or DVCPRO-HD the file size will be alot bigger. This makes it easier for a low powered pc to play and edit.

AnonoBoy · 08-08-2011 1:03pm

TommyGun wrote: »

To compress a file is to make it smaller eg from mpeg2 to mp4 . To transpose a file is convert the file to an easier format to edit eg. from mp4 to mpeg2 or DVCPRO-HD the file size will be alot bigger. This makes it easier for a low powered pc to play and edit.

I'm well aware what compression and transcoding and converting and consolidation are thanks.

What you're saying is wrong though. Making a file bigger will not make it easier to play on a computer. Compressing it will not cause it to stutter on a computer. In fact compressing a video will reduce the quality, reduce the file size and then make it actually easier for a low powered computer to handle it. What you're talking about is transcoding to a new format. It's called transcoding, not transposing. Transposing is what you do with music.
Transcoding a file will not always result in it becoming bigger - it very much depends on what format you're transcoding to and from. This may make it easier for a program to play it but not always.
But transcoding isn't the direct opposite of compression and I don't really understand why you seem to be referring to it as such or even why you think compressing a file makes it harder to play. Clearly you don't actually understand what goes on when you compress or convert files.

Try to play a Full uncompressed HD file via Quicktime on a normal laptop. Then compress it using something like H.264 and try again.
Which one plays easiest?

TommyGun · 08-08-2011 1:49pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Compression won't cause a player to stutter. Compression will bring the file size down and actually make it easier to play.

As this is an editing section and not a question about delivery,
all my answers where taken that the quality of the original footage is kept as much as possible, the same.

For example 21 bit AVCHD is extremely compressed format. It is so much for the processor to decompress and play at the same time without a power full processor. That's why depending on the implementation of the codec in the player or the editing suite, if you convert to DVCPRO-HD, there is no loss in quality, the file size has increased by maybe 4x, and the bit rate could be 200+.
So what has happened is that the footage is now decompressed so it is easier to play and edit because the convert has done the calculations therefore easier to play and edit.

AnonoBoy · 08-08-2011 4:47pm

Why didn't you just suggest that he 'transposes' the file instead of spouting nonsense about 'if you compress it' it will cause it to stutter more which is vague nonsense?

He wasn't asking about compressing it and warbling on about native compression of a format is not helping him any. Stating that compression will cause it to stutter is just silly because you have to clarify what you're talking about because there's so many different ways that something can be compressed.

Bellu · 15-08-2011 10:43am

Hmm, for AVCHD videos getting, editing, playing, this article must interest you:
http://videoediting.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=911450

quad_red · 16-08-2011 10:30am

Any advice on what software to use based on these requirements and specs?

Camera:
Canon HF-R16 (AVCHD)
+ some old mini dv tapes converted

Hardware:
2009 Macbook 2.0 ghz
4GB ram
Geforce 9400M

Capability:
Created a few projects in iMovie 08

Project:
Amateur edit together wedding movie

Two aims:
One 4/5 minute edit combining photos and video. Want to apply old 8mm effect to the sequence.
Create raw edits divided into chapters: eg. speeches, church, afters etc.

Any advice on what would be best suited? I was leaning towards the new version of iMovie (read it had 'aged' film effects built in) but have some concern over incompatibility with Canon HD outputs.

I am not wedded to editing in AVCHD if I don't have the horsepower for it. Do you think that mac is capable enough?

All advice appreciated.

Quad

bennz · 08-09-2011 12:42pm

Do you mean Adobe Encore

bennz · 17-09-2011 9:36pm

Sony Vegas

karablack037 · 04-10-2011 6:09am

I have seen lots of peoples are using Windows Movie Maker for editing videos, but it has limited features only. I would like to suggest Adobe Premier and Final Cut Pro for editing Videos. These software are mainly using among professional editors and film industry. Once you have learn to edit using this software, you can bright your career in video editing and visual media.

Crazy World · 12-10-2011 8:52pm

Personally i love the Adobe products. Premiere Pro and Encore. Starting to learn After Effects also.

Crazy

dfdream · 13-10-2011 4:15pm

I'd been looking for a package to edit HD Camera movies recently.
Tried Video Studio PRO x4 and PowerDirector.

I was drawn to Powerdirector as it had 64 bit and I hoped it would render faster.

I had used Videostudio x3 and wasnt overly happy with its stability but I tried pro x4 anyway and found it much more stable.
Even though its not 64 bit it used all cores and didnt run out of RAM.
Rendering was way faster (even though I had added in SSD and uped ram to 8gb) than either x3 or powerdirector.

The biggest issue I had with Powerdirector was there seemed to be a 1/2 sec blip between clips in playback even when exported to a file. A show stopper for me.

I think video studio is way better than the old x3 or powerdirector.
I even went for the ulimate bundle with extras and PSP x4.
Very happy with the video software, Paintshop Pro x4 is so so.

Chavways · 16-10-2011 1:53am

Crazy World wrote: »

Personally i love the Adobe products. Premiere Pro and Encore. Starting to learn After Effects also.

Crazy

Is it just me or is After Effects the hardest program in the world to learn.Theres just so many possibilities.

Crazy World · 16-10-2011 3:32pm

Chavways wrote: »

Crazy World wrote: »

Personally i love the Adobe products. Premiere Pro and Encore. Starting to learn After Effects also.

Crazy

Is it just me or is After Effects the hardest program in the world to learn.Theres just so many possibilities.

No your right there but that's the beauty of it. You can do so much with it. I only know from looking at tutorials and samples online but I have a course next week on it and after that it's practice practice practice. And loads of tutorials on one screen following along on the other. The only way to learn these tools in my opinion.

phatrat1982 · 15-11-2011 3:30am

I all, I am new here and I have some questions. I am currently studying video editing in school well I will be shortly it's part of my major. Anyways I currently have Sony Vegas 10 and that is what I have been using forever, started with Acid 2.0, switched to Vegas from Acid around version 6 and have stuck with it mostly for video editing. I still have Vegas 6 on my old machine but I prefer 10 it's so much better in every way.

Anyways here is the deal I do intend to get into the business someday after college and our school uses all MAC software and so far I have had some difficulty adjusting to the MAC OS from Windows. Since switching to Windows 7 recently using MAC has gotten some what less confusing, I was previously stuck on Windows XP. So what I am wondering is if I am used to Sony Vegas how easy would it be for me to adjust to say Adobe's product as that is what our school is really about they apparently teach everything Adobe.

What I mean is would I have a hard time switching from Vegas or would it be something that I could adjust to relatively easily? I mostly ask because if a lot of people tell me the switch is relatively painless then I will keep using Vegas for myself and use the stuff the school gives me at school otherwise if people tell me Vegas and Adobe are two different ball games I might just pick up a copy of the Adobe product myself and get a heads up feel for it.

Also does anyone in the industry use Vegas or is it really not a respected as the others?

dacogawa · 10-12-2011 1:00am

phatrat1982 wrote: »

Also does anyone in the industry use Vegas or is it really not a respected as the others?

I use it & have stuff on RTE, TV3, Etc

It's becoming more respected by the day (about time)

eleven1 · 12-12-2011 3:49pm

i like Adobe programs , premiere , after effects... or u can try sony vegas , youtube has plenty of video tutorials. also if u r doin HD videos & long videos, you should have a good cpu + plenty of ram . this will help when rendering the videos .

bennz · 03-02-2012 7:50pm

Any one good at Encore?

Tom Harward · 13-02-2012 1:13pm

have you got anything fully free to edit videos?

pandaboy · 18-03-2012 9:43pm

Mensch Maschine wrote: »

Hi there,

I appreciate your reply. Can I just ask you one other thing. I got Mpeg Streamclip to transcode my .mov files from the 7D. Is there a safe, or preferable file type that's ideal for Premier?

This is all new to me. And, as for applications doing the transcoding for you, what ones do? Are you automatically prompted as you import video?

Thanks for the link aswell

MPEG Streamclip is your god. Compress to Pro Res 422 as h.264 can be niggly, even if an application says it has native support for it. Go to advanced settings or options and then adjust accordingly. I usually keep my quality at either high or higher, as it keeps artifacts at bay especially when you're uploading to YouTube. Also, change your audio settings as well because the default setting is 44000KHz and you should have it at 48000KHz.
Your files will probably become 3-4 times bigger because of the pro res codec but it'll perform perfectly for you. Then export using the media encoder with your editing software, I usually encode back to h.264 as it holds the quality at a smaller size.

I'm going to be making a video tutorial on MPEG Streamclip in the next few days so anyone that needs help with encoding it should do the trick.

pandaboy · 18-03-2012 9:56pm

phatrat1982 wrote: »

I all, I am new here and I have some questions. I am currently studying video editing in school well I will be shortly it's part of my major. Anyways I currently have Sony Vegas 10 and that is what I have been using forever, started with Acid 2.0, switched to Vegas from Acid around version 6 and have stuck with it mostly for video editing. I still have Vegas 6 on my old machine but I prefer 10 it's so much better in every way.

Anyways here is the deal I do intend to get into the business someday after college and our school uses all MAC software and so far I have had some difficulty adjusting to the MAC OS from Windows. Since switching to Windows 7 recently using MAC has gotten some what less confusing, I was previously stuck on Windows XP. So what I am wondering is if I am used to Sony Vegas how easy would it be for me to adjust to say Adobe's product as that is what our school is really about they apparently teach everything Adobe.

What I mean is would I have a hard time switching from Vegas or would it be something that I could adjust to relatively easily? I mostly ask because if a lot of people tell me the switch is relatively painless then I will keep using Vegas for myself and use the stuff the school gives me at school otherwise if people tell me Vegas and Adobe are two different ball games I might just pick up a copy of the Adobe product myself and get a heads up feel for it.

Also does anyone in the industry use Vegas or is it really not a respected as the others?

It doesn't really matter which application you use once you know your codecs and video formats and whether your application supports these or not.

A lot of places recommend using such and such application but it's only because of their in house systems. So if you're a freelance editor and you're doing work for a production house and they use Vegas then it's recommended you use the same application.......but.......each application has the option to allow you to export the code of the edit onto an XML file which is readable by other applications. You import the file into the application and the changes should be made, it's handy as hell and saved my bacon a few times. A lot of people will recommend you stick with the big 3 - Vegas, Premier, FCP.

I recommend you look at what work you want to do. If you're a hobbyist then there's no need to invest x amount of money in a pro application because it will probably be redundant for a lot of the features and you've blown a lot of money on a nice shiny new car that's only going to be driven on Sundays.
If you want to make professional videos then I recommend checking out some tutorials first at each application and see which one works easiest for you. A lot of applications are the same with some GUI differences and of course name, but it just comes down to what you want to do.

It's not that hard to adjust when switching once you're familiar with the functions of your application. I haven't used FCP X yet so I don't know how this would conform.

I'm a big fan of premiere myself, only because it integrates nicely with AE and has some really nice options. I was using FCP 5,6 & 7 for most of my work and found the transition quite easy. Keyboard shortcuts were frustrating as hell but you go along with it

Fighting Irish · 19-03-2012 3:07am

Using AVS at the mo instead of movie maker, just for simple things. love it!!

LovelySpuds · 21-04-2012 2:24pm

for mac, final cut pro...for windows, sony vegas pro

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