23 Americans wanted for kidnapping in Italy

wes wrote: »

Then, there is the fact that the US has purposefully killed civilians. So quite frankly they aren't exactly shining examples of virtue themselves.

What country is a shining example of virtue, in your view?

Slurryface wrote: »

No doubt he thinks countries like Pakistan are, or those wonderful Taliban gus, hey and lets not forget those paragons of virtue Hezbullah!
in fact it would appear that Wes and those like him support anyone who is in favour of the destruction of Israel and thinks that the USA is the devil!

Don't forget Venezuela!

jimmy blevins wrote: »

The CIA are welcome to take these lunatics off our hands. If they can't stand freedom of speech and the liberties offfered in the west they might appreciate it after a trip to cia rendition centre.

No doubt you're sitting at home right now, with a AR-15 in one hand and a bible in the other.

czx wrote: »

What country is a shining example of virtue, in your view?

So still unable to dispute any of the facts that I presented, and you have now moved on to asking completely pointless question. You called me desperate earlier, but it seems clear to me that the only one desperate here is you. You are completely unable to defend the indefensible, so you have moved on to asking silly question.

BTW, to answer you silly question. No one is a shining example of virtue, and quite frankly to even ask such a question is ridiculous.

Slurryface wrote: »

No doubt he thinks countries like Pakistan are, or those wonderful Taliban gus, hey and lets not forget those paragons of virtue Hezbullah!

You can't dispute what I have said, so you have to make things up. Its really rather sad, that the only way you respond to the facts I have shown, is to make up a fantasy straw man and argue against it. Its really amusing that people still think that kind of crap actually works.

Slurryface wrote: »

in fact it would appear that Wes and those like him support anyone who is in favour of the destruction of Israel and thinks that the USA is the devil!

It seems that you support pretending that the murder of civilians, when its done by countries you like, never happened, and when anyone dares show you the reality of the situation, you make stuff up, as you can't quite comprehend the truth, that everyone is a bit of a bastard, when it come right down to it.

BTW, care to show where I said the US was the devil, or you called for the destruction of Israel? Oh wait, that never happened, you made it up, because that is all you can do, when you don't have the werewithall to actually argue against what I actually said, as opposed to the bizarre fantasy you concocted. Its really rather sad.

wes wrote: »

So still unable to dispute any of the facts that I presented, and you have now moved on to asking completely pointless question. You called me desperate earlier, but it seems clear to me that the only one desperate here is you. You are completely unable to defend the indefensible, so you have moved on to asking silly question.

BTW, to answer you silly question. No one is a shining example of virtue, and quite frankly to even ask such a question is ridiculous.



You can't dispute what I have said, so you have to make things up. Its really rather sad, that the only way you respond to the facts I have shown, is to make up a fantasy straw man and argue against it. Its really amusing that people still think that kind of crap actually works.



It seems that you support pretending that the murder of civilians, when its done by countries you like, never happened, and when anyone dares show you the reality of the situation, you make stuff up, as you can't quite comprehend the truth, that everyone is a bit of a bastard, when it come right down to it.

BTW, care to show where I said the US was the devil, or you called for the destruction of Israel? Oh wait, that never happened, you made it up, because that is all you can do, when you don't have the werewithall to actually argue against what I actually said, as opposed to the bizarre fantasy you concocted. Its really rather sad.

You don't have any facts, just an irrational hatred of America. It is a relevant question as it exposes your anti-Americanism. Truth is, you don't care about what any other country does as long as you get to have a lash at the US. That's why you posted here.

czx wrote: »

You don't have any facts,

I provided multiple links to back up everything I have said. You haven't been able to dispute a single one. The only who hasn't provided any facts is you. You insist you are correct on your say so alone and nothing more. Its really rather amusing, that you seem to be repeating the same garbage over and over again, in a sad attempt to ignore the simple fact that you can't dispute. So again, get back to me when you can dispute the stuff in those links from earlier.

czx wrote: »

just an irrational hatred of America.

See repeating the same thing over and over again, as opposed to addressing the fact that I brought up earlier. Its clear to me you are unable to actually engage in any kind of discussion without resorting to pathetic repeated slurs of Anti-Americanism.

czx wrote: »

It is a relevant question as it exposes your anti-Americanism.

No its nonsense from someone who can't dispute the many facts I presented. You are engaged in attacking me, so as to avoid addressing those facts. A very old and tried tactic, that never really worked, but then you really have nothing else to rely on, as you can't dispute a single thing I said, and haven't even tried.

czx wrote: »

Truth is, you don't care about what any other country does as long as you get to have a lash at the US. That's why you posted here.

Awww, I think I have offended you with facts and reality. It is really rather sad, that you seem unable to deal with facts and reality, so all you can do is lash out, with rambling accusations about Anti-Americanism, in the vain hope that if you say it enough times, it will some how magically become true.

As I said earlier, get back to me when you can actually dispute the links I provided. I know you can't, as if you could, you would have done so already.

So I take it another round of "whaa your anti-american" accusations from you over and over again........

czx wrote: »

If you want to provide a 'mainstream' source that says it's US policy to murder civilians then go ahead.

Main stream sources have been supplied. You chose to ignore all of them, and didn't even address the sources at all. You just shouted "ANTI-AMERICANISM" again and again, and are still doing it. In fact you may as well just type "ANTI-AMERICANISM" to every post from now on, as that is all you are doing in anyways.

The sources I used included the Washington post FFS, which is pretty damn main stream, but again you don't care about the sources, as your default reply is "ANTI-AMERICANISM", as you are simply unable to deal with anything that dares shows you to be complete and utterly wrong.

czx wrote: »

Stating it is policy to murder civilians?

Stating that is there policy to murder people, who they have no idea who they are actually. Seeing as they don't know who they are, then until they can prove otherwise, there civilians.

So its only took you what 3 pages to actually address what was actually posted. Truly amazing that you took you so long. Did you even read the link? You probably didn't bother.....

wes wrote: »

Yes, it is a policy to kill civilians, seeing as they have no idea who there killing. So unless you can prove that every single person killed was a terrorist, which btw the US hasn't even bothered to do, then there civilians there killing.

No, the policy is not to kill civilians. This is clearly stated in the numerous links you provide. The strikes are against assigned targets, suspected terrorists.

wes wrote: »

They don't know who they are.......... So, yes there civilians until proven otherwise. The entire notion that you can kill someone soley on accusation is absurd. How can they suspect there terrorist, if they have no clue who they are.

So again prove that every single one of them was a terrorist and get back to me. Otherwise your claims have no basis in reality.

BTW, you didn't read my links, the first one is about the school of the Americans, about the CIA training various South American inteligene agencies to torture and murder.

The 2nd and 3rd was about torture.

The 3rd and 4th was about attacks on funerals and rescue workers.

You didn't read my links at all. The detail numerous instance of the deliberate murder of civilians.

So again, you have ignored what I have posted, as it doesn't suit you. Again a denial of reality. Again, the clear support of murder of civlians, as apparently even if the US has no clue who you are, if they just decided your a terrorist, then you deserver to die. Distubring world view imho.

Your views have no basis in reality. The targets are assigned on the best intelligence available, not random selection as you seem to believe. There is a difference.

If you think there should be a court case for every terrorist killed in places like Afghanistan then you are completely out of touch with the reality of the situation.

czx wrote: »

Your views have no basis in reality.

Seeing as you haven't read the links, I provided that is a bit rich.

czx wrote: »

The targets are assigned on the best intelligence available, not random selection as you seem to believe. There is a difference.

They don't know who the people they are killing are. So yes, it is all rather random, and to suggest otherwise, is to support murder and terrorism plain and simple.

Also, they attack civilian rescue workers, after they have launched a drone attack, they then launch another to kill rescue workers, something, you have chosen to ignore, as again reality is something you can't handle and can only just ignore. Again you ignore stuff you don't like. Why do you have issues with the facts?

czx wrote: »

If you think there should be a court case for every terrorist killed in places like Afghanistan then you are completely out of touch with the reality of the situation.

Prove that every single person killed was a terrorist then. Otherwise, you are again supporting the murder of civilians.

BTW, if you read the links I provided (you haven't read them still), it would give numerous example of the US killing civilians. Not that there lives are worth anything, as according to the US, they were terrorists, and deserved to die, without any proof of guilt.

So again, you ignore the multiple links provided, and ignore the murder of rescue workers, civilians, and the torture of civilians etc at the hands of the US. Same old excuse of everyone is a terrorist solely on the US's say so. Typical apologist nonsense for murder and terrorism imho.